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[BlueStateSaint]

Women should have the opportunity to attend a service academy.   My nephew attends one (my husband graduated from one also).   I visited him a few months back to attend his football game.   The cadets conduct drills etc. on the field prior to the games.   The women did just fine out there.   

If they can handle it, they should be able to do it. 

One of my babysitters was in the first class of female cadets through West Point.  She didn't make it; I don't know when she left.  A brother of hers was a classmate of mine from third grade through high school.  I never mentioned her to him--I had a bit of couth in those days.

[MrsSmith]

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[Texacon]

Yes, and they could ask. I enlisted during that time and there was a question on the enlistment papers about it.

I don't remember it being asked on a form but I do remember a guy walking up to me when I got my physical and asking me straight up.  It shocked me because I didn't know who the hell this dude was who was asking me if I was gay.

KC

[formerlurker]

One of my babysitters was in the first class of female cadets through West Point.  She didn't make it; I don't know when she left.  A brother of hers was a classmate of mine from third grade through high school.  I never mentioned her to him--I had a bit of couth in those days.

She tried though, and I give her a lot of credit for trying.  

[Texacon]

What's gonna happen when the first fag that tries something is capped in the field? 

Homo's in the military .... Openly, will never work.

KC

[rich_t]

Didn't the military have an outright ban on Homosexuals before the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy?

Yes.  They also used to have a dishonorable discharge if caught.

[rich_t]

Open bay barracks are very quickly becoming a thing of the past Reb.  Only place that I know of it anymore is Basic Training, which may be problematic, but that hurdle will be jumped when and if this actually happens.  The Army is dumping a shitload of cash onto improving quality of life for it's troops.

As for permanent party barracks with two people?  Well I guess they'll just have to shack the gays up with each other.  Not much of a problem there.

As for the rest of your concerns, didn't they say that with integration of blacks? 

I'm sorry Reb, if some hick can't get over the idea that the military is allowing gays to serve, then I'm fine with him leaving.  I'm willing to wager that the majority will treat it as is becoming of a member of the United States Military.

Open bay barracks are becoming a thing of the past?  For the Air Force maybe.

[rich_t]

Got it.

Well, I've said it before.  I don't think I'd have a problem serving in an "open" military.  The flaming homosexual San Fran parade types will never serve anyways, and even the few who would try would quickly get drummed out on sexual harrasment cases.  For those who do keep their bedroom lives in the bedroom, I've got no problem serving with.

I know that there are a lot out there that aren't as open minded as I am, and that'll be problematic, but oh well.  The CinC orders it, it's something we gotta live with.

So...  For example; If the CinC orders you to assist in the confiscation of all privately held arms and orders you to kill any that resist.

Will you still be saying "but oh well.  The CinC orders it, it's something we gotta live with."?

On edit:  I am speaking of US citizens here when I state privately held.

[TheSarge]

That just has to be sarcasm. No possible way even even the deepest diving of DUmpster divers could be so blind as to ask THAT at DU.

Call me skeptical.  I think that DUmmie was dead serious.

[The Village Idiot]

What kind of anti-American traitors would oppose the Commander in Chief's military decisions?

They did not just say that!!!!!!

[BlueStateSaint]

She tried though, and I give her a lot of credit for trying.  

So did I.  I do remember that one of the senior cadets got reprimanded for "fraternization" with her.  It was a moderately big story in the local rag at the time.

[NHSparky]

Sorry, Cindie, but the military has long been used for social experiments. Truman (integration of the services); Carter (women in service academies and in the military proper); and Slick Willie (DADT) are but three examples.

Actually, women in the service academies started in 1976.  Ford was still president then.  Random urinalysis started under Reagan.  But frankly, there's a bit of difference between women/minority rights and gay rights.  And even women's roles are NOT universal.  They're still not allowed in many communities (SEALs, submarines, other Special Forces units) for obvious reasons.

[TheSarge]

They're still not allowed in many communities (SEALs, submarines, other Special Forces units) for obvious reasons.

There will be pushes to change that during this administration IMHO.

DACOWITS will be front and center again in pushing to allow women fully into combat units.

I see them going after the navy first and forcing them to put women on the one last class of naval vessel where women still don't serve.

If that's successful the next thing you'llsee is women wearing the blue infantry cord.

[Texacon]

There will be pushes to change that during this administration IMHO.

DACOWITS will be front and center again in pushing to allow women fully into combat units.

I see them going after the navy first and forcing them to put women on the one last class of naval vessel where women still don't serve.

If that's successful the next thing you'llsee is women wearing the blue infantry cord.

If they put them in some of these slots and they don't lower the requirements physically and they can make it fair and square ..... I say let them in. 

I don't see many women being able to make it through the schools and if they did they wouldn't be any threat in the field ... who would WANT the ones that could pass?!

KC

[TheSarge]

If they put them in some of these slots and they don't lower the requirements physically and they can make it fair and square ..... I say let them in. 

I don't see many women being able to make it through the schools and if they did they wouldn't be any threat in the field ... who would WANT the ones that could pass?!

KC

Well they won't be taking their PT tests based onthe male charts that's for sure.

You KNOW it won't be fair.  They will have to lower the standards and watch what they say and be forced to change their entire style of training because these allegedly "tough" women might get offended by what the mean ol instructor says.

Pardon me if that sounds chauvinistic to the females here...but that's the reality and what I've observed since 1992.

[BlueStateSaint]

Pardon me if that sounds chauvinistic to the females here...but that's the reality and what I've observed since 1992.

There's some days that I'm glad that I got out when, and how, I did.

[Eupher]

Actually, women in the service academies started in 1976.  Ford was still president then. 

  Yep, I miscued on that one. GRF was indeed prez at that time. Odd thing, too, because a young lady that was two grades behind me in high school was selected to go in the first class for women at West Point.

My point remains, however, that the military has been the focal point of social issues before. I don't see that changing anytime soon.

[Crazy Horse]

Well DJ??

Everyone  had something to say and yet you're silent

[Bondai]

CurtEastPoint Donating Member (437 posts) Wed Jan-14-09 09:41 PM
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10. Methinks the Freeper has some knowledge of glory holes...
   
not exactly a term in common use among, ya know, 'normal' guys. Interesting.

So do you apparently.