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bitter old Vermontese cali primitive being driven nuts
« on: December 15, 2011, 07:40:39 PM »
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Chronic Pain.

It scares me just to type those words. I'm hoping like hell that I don't have to live with this on and on and on. It's been 3 months now and every day I'm in pain. My heart goes out to those of you who live in pain year after year. In the morning when I get up- and the pain wakes me up early, I just live with it as long as I can, usually for several hours and then I cave and take a ****ing percocet. I hate that shit. I hate the way it makes me feel- just off kilter, but I hate the pain more. It just drives me nuts. I'm not sure if it actually gets worse or just I can't tolerate it after a certain point.

It seems so silly. I broke my leg. All this from a broken leg. Ok, a ****ing very badly segmental and compound fracture of the tibia and a segmental fracture of the fibula that resulted in hours of surgery and the placement of a titanium rod in the middle of the tibia from ankle to knee with all the attendant hardware (4 big honking nails).

three months on the the bones are still in the process of healing.

But the pain and the swelling are frustratingly constant and often startlingly ntense. If I "overdo" one day, I'm incapacitated for 4. Anyway, it's not the broken bones that are the main culprit when it comes to pain; it's the soft tissue and nerve damage.

I feel like a whiner. I keep telling myself to just get over it- and when I have a good day or a good period in a day, I'm so damned happy and relieved. I always think: "I'm turning the corner", but then the comes roaring back or sneaking back and I feel like I'm stuck.

I don't know what else to say and I'm not even sure why I'm posting this beyond complaining, something I don't do much of in real life because what the hell are people supposed to say if they ask you how you are and you tell them you're in horrid pain?

Well, I dunno what to say.

On one hand, I can sympathize with the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive, because just about every bone in this body's been busted or fractured at one time or another (a hazard of being deaf and miscalculating things), although franksolich remains defiantly whole.

On the other hand, I suspect the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive thinks that science, medicine, technology, and pharmaceuticals can take care of her, without any effort, any work, on her part, and so too bad for cali.

The extenuating circumstance, I suppose, is that the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive is a femme and in her sixties, which makes her less robust than franksolich.

I dunno.

Here's a primitive with a smidgeon of sense:

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4. The only thing that stopped my own pain ---

It was excruciating back pain from a cluster of serious conditions.

Instead of risky surgery, took the advice of one doc to "walk IN water."

The flotation took the weight off the injured tissues and nerves and after a few months of three times a week in a therapy pool, I was able to go from wheelchair to walker to cane and then none of the above.

Also was able to go from Vicodin plus prescription naproxen and prescription muscle relaxants to nothing except very occasional regular naproxen (alene.)

Yes, it cost a membership to a health club, but it saved my life.

Don't know if it is applicable to your sad situation, but I hope it is.

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12. No you are not a whiner

Yes pain gets worst...why it's best to manage it than to try to fight it...take the percocet as prescribed, and yes I get it...morphine is much, much worst. In time pain will reduce and meds will go down in intensity.

Ortho injuries are among the most painful, also cold weather does not help. No it will not be your imagination. I had surgery on both knees at seven, after walking yesterday in the rain, my left knee has been unhelpfull all day and even got a tad swollen...why telling you the tale? Well it's been a few decades, and in the winter at times both hurt...enough where yes I could ask for placard.

Also do your therapy, even if it hurts like shit...

And if anybody accuses you of whining...ignore it.

You and me might not see eye to eye, on this we do. Take care.
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Re: bitter old Vermontese cali primitive being driven nuts
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2011, 07:41:16 PM »
She probably wouldn't have broken her leg if she was at work that day.
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Re: bitter old Vermontese cali primitive being driven nuts
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2011, 07:46:41 PM »
Wallduded and blindsided.

Slipped on earwig guts and broke her leg.

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Re: bitter old Vermontese cali primitive being driven nuts
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2011, 07:58:50 PM »
Wallduded and blindsided.

Slipped on earwig guts and broke her leg.

Well, I don't think it would have been as bad as it seems now if she had crawled up the stairs in her house to her phone instead of down the wet, muddy lane to her neighbors that fateful night. Yes, the stairs were steep. And there were many. But a half hour of gritting her teeth to call the ambulance may have aleviated some of the damage she incurred dragging her worthless butt a half mile or more, for three hours or more, through the muck and slick grass along her d*mned lane

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Re: bitter old Vermontese cali primitive being driven nuts
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2011, 08:03:20 PM »
Well, I don't think it would have been as bad as it seems now if she had crawled up the stairs in her house to her phone instead of down the wet, muddy lane to her neighbors that fateful night. Yes, the stairs were steep. And there were many. But a half hour of gritting her teeth to call the ambulance may have alleviated some of the damage she incurred dragging her worthless butt a half mile or more, for three hours or more, through the muck and slick grass along her d*mned lane.

Well yes, that's true, but again I must discount for that the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive is a single woman in her sixties living in an isolated area.

A bone break like that causes trauma, and one doesn't think logically.

I know.

I still think the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive's main problem is that she expects "other people"--in this case medical professionals and pharmaceuticals--to make her well again, when in blunt fact she has to do 90% of the work, of the effort, herself to get well again.

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Re: bitter old Vermontese cali primitive being driven nuts
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2011, 08:18:03 PM »
As usual, DUmmies screw up everything they do.

If the wallduded DUmmy cali had picked up on this story line two or three weeks ago, as she surely could have, she would have been a top contender for the Broken Elbow award.

Now all her pathetic whining is just an irritating waste of bandwidth.

If she really wants advice on painkillers, she should send a note to taverner, and enclose a couple of her Percocets.

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Re: bitter old Vermontese cali primitive being driven nuts
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2011, 08:30:26 PM »
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Re: bitter old Vermontese cali primitive being driven nuts
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2011, 08:31:51 PM »

The other thing is--and remember, I'm no pal of the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive--trying to get up the stairs to the telephone was probably the last thing she should've tried.

Having had broken legs myself, that sort of movement makes me grimly shudder.

Of course it wasn't too bright that she dragged herself along a country lane (but remember, the trauma causes one to not think clearly), although that was a better alternative.  She was outdoors where people might be passing by and see her.  Nobody did, but they might have.

If she had stayed inside the house, people might've passed by the house, thinking nothing unusual was going on inside.

I guess I'm intrigued why the telephone is upstairs in her home, rather than on the first floor.  I assume there's a good reason for that, but have no idea what it might be.

cali has a problem here.  She's anti-social; doesn't like people.

As an older single woman living alone out in the woods of Vermont, she really needs others to check up on her occasionally.  But one gets the impression she snarls at people coming to see her.

franksolich lives out in the middle of nowhere, the nearest neighbor six miles away.  Until recently, franksolich resisted the loud public clamor that he get a telephone (which has since been gotten, but hey, being deaf, it doesn't do me any good).

It's kind of nice being out here all alone, but it does have its hazards.

And so while I may bitch and moan about people coming here (especially during the middle of the night), on the other hand, I'm grateful that they do. 

It seems as if, 24/7/365, there's always at least one person coming here about, say, every four hours of the day--the neighbor, the property caretaker, the neighbor's wife, one of the ranch-hands from across the road, the grumpy old guy, the femme, the rose-gardener from town, Bible and Fuller Brush salesmen, Jehovah's Witnesses, hunters and fishermen, the county sheriff, the ancient elderly couple who own this place, the mailman, the milk-man, Republican party operatives, the senior business partner, state patrolmen, &c., &c., &c.

If I were to break my leg out here again, I'd do just what I'd done the last time.

I'd sit and wait.  Inevitably, in four hours or less, someone will come by.

The bitter old Vermontese cali primitive, being an older woman living alone out in the middle of nowhere, needs to become more social, more amenable to human company, so she has the assurance that if something's wrong, help will come soon.
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Re: bitter old Vermontese cali primitive being driven nuts
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2011, 08:36:28 PM »
Even the cheapest $10 cell phone will dial 911 at no charge, and most cities have an e911 service that displays your address for the emergency operator.  Maybe Gina can answer my question, but don't cell phones doe the same thing?  I have to pay for e911 service with my cell phone.  Even if I don't make any other calls with it, they should have my address.  Just dialing 911 should be enough to get someone to answer because they *will* call you back if you hang up on them.
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Re: bitter old Vermontese cali primitive being driven nuts
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2011, 08:51:10 PM »
I've certainly had my share of military and sports injuries, and really, it would've been far easier to get up the stairs than she supposed, going up on her butt, facing backward, pushing up with her arms and pushing off to the next step with her good leg.  No more painful or damaging than getting out of the house was...the first (Wait for it...) LEG of her journey.
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2011, 09:05:27 PM »
I've certainly had my share of military and sports injuries, and really, it would've been far easier to get up the stairs than she supposed, going up on her butt, facing backward, pushing up with her arms and pushing off to the next step with her good leg.  No more painful or damaging than getting out of the house was...the first (Wait for it...) LEG of her journey.

Well, I "pictured" that, but wasn't her break (I don't remember myself) a complete snap-off?

In that case, I wouldn't, no way.
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2011, 09:12:06 PM »
Well, I "pictured" that, but wasn't her break (I don't remember myself) a complete snap-off?

In that case, I wouldn't, no way.

You mean both tibia and fibula completely broken through?  Still preferable to going outside and dragging your ass down the road many, many times farther.  I don't recall that it was actually a compound fracture, but it would've been a much worse idea yet to low-crawl through the mud with an large open wound and one or more bone ends exposed.
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2011, 09:21:04 PM »
You mean both tibia and fibula completely broken through?  Still preferable to going outside and dragging your ass down the road many, many times farther.  I don't recall that it was actually a compound fracture, but it would've been a much worse idea yet to low-crawl through the mud with an large open wound and one or more bone ends exposed.

Hmmm.

I was usually in situations where I didn't have to crawl anywhere; all I had to do was sit, and sooner or later someone came by.  That was best shown by my reaction to the busted elbow.

(But the majority of the time, when something's happened, it's happened in the presence of another person.)

I guess my emphasis would be on getting help, which is why I myself probably would've crawled outside, where maybe possibly by lucky chance or accident someone else would see me, and be able to do something.

But this is the company-hating cali primitive after all; maybe she never even thought of that possibility.

Seriously, given her age and that she's a woman who lives alone, the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive needs to encourage visitors, passers-by, so that when things like this happen, she's likely to get help.

I have the impression the cali primitive shoos away visitors, tells them she doesn't want them around.

But again, given her age and that she's a woman who lives alone, lots and lots of people dropping in on her is exactly what she needs.
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Re: bitter old Vermontese cali primitive being driven nuts
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2011, 09:24:40 PM »
Well, she'd certainly make a great example for a 'Life alert' sales pitch after that disaster.
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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2011, 09:26:28 PM »
You mean both tibia and fibula completely broken through?  Still preferable to going outside and dragging your ass down the road many, many times farther.  I don't recall that it was actually a compound fracture, but it would've been a much worse idea yet to low-crawl through the mud with an large open wound and one or more bone ends exposed.
It's all pure speculation.

Since earwig cali is a DUmpmonkey, this entire episode is nearly certain to be a complete fabrication.

DUmmies lie, all the time. Still, though, cali roadkill would be an interesting embellishment to the storyline.

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Re: bitter old Vermontese cali primitive being driven nuts
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2011, 04:17:34 AM »
I got some old broken bones that hurt me from time to time. I think I might be tempted to take something for the pain....now which drug would work more better?

Percocet or a young perky-set.....hmmmmmm  :-)
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Re: bitter old Vermontese cali primitive being driven nuts
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2011, 04:31:21 AM »
I've had a compound fracture to my right leg, herniated disc in my lower back, compression fracture to T11, back surgeries, knee surgery, hernia surgeries and  arthritis. I am in pain every day and I get up a 5 am and limp into work every day! I have a few beers when I get home to kill it. Pussies!
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Re: bitter old Vermontese cali primitive being driven nuts
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2011, 04:36:52 AM »
I've had a compound fracture to my right leg, herniated disc in my lower back, compression fracture to T11, back surgeries, knee surgery, hernia surgeries and  arthritis. I am in pain every day and I get up a 5 am and limp into work every day! I have a few beers when I get home to kill it. Pussies!

Skip the beer, find a perky-set and go to bed. Will, the pain go away? No, but you will forget the pain for a little while. :-)
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Re: bitter old Vermontese cali primitive being driven nuts
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2011, 04:43:27 AM »
cali primitive being driven nuts.

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« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2011, 05:23:00 AM »
Even the cheapest $10 cell phone will dial 911 at no charge, and most cities have an e911 service that displays your address for the emergency operator.  Maybe Gina can answer my question, but don't cell phones doe the same thing?  I have to pay for e911 service with my cell phone.  Even if I don't make any other calls with it, they should have my address.  Just dialing 911 should be enough to get someone to answer because they *will* call you back if you hang up on them.

Cell phone coverage in Vermont is spotty at best.  No idea where she lives, but probably not an option.

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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2011, 05:23:58 AM »
Even the cheapest $10 cell phone will dial 911 at no charge, and most cities have an e911 service that displays your address for the emergency operator.  Maybe Gina can answer my question, but don't cell phones doe the same thing?  I have to pay for e911 service with my cell phone.  Even if I don't make any other calls with it, they should have my address.  Just dialing 911 should be enough to get someone to answer because they *will* call you back if you hang up on them.

Although Frank should have a cell phone for texting purposes.

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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2011, 06:42:49 AM »
Cell phone coverage in Vermont is spotty at best.  No idea where she lives, but probably not an option.

If it's a place that's pretentous enough to sell $25 pots of tea, they can afford to plant a cell phone tower somewhere.

And judging by the coverage map for my provider, doesn't look THAT spotty.  As long as you're not in the mountains, you're fine.  Northern NH and Maine?  Not so much.  I remember when Scoobie and I went to Pittsburg in July.  Forget about anything north of Berlin/Lancaster or so.  There was a little spot in Colebrook, but that was IT.
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« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2011, 07:57:23 AM »
If it's a place that's pretentous enough to sell $25 pots of tea, they can afford to plant a cell phone tower somewhere.

And judging by the coverage map for my provider, doesn't look THAT spotty.  As long as you're not in the mountains, you're fine.  Northern NH and Maine?  Not so much.  I remember when Scoobie and I went to Pittsburg in July.  Forget about anything north of Berlin/Lancaster or so.  There was a little spot in Colebrook, but that was IT.

The cali primitive lives in northernmost Vermont.

I don't think what hurts her is the lack of a cellular telephone, or a telephone on the first floor, but rather the lack of regular company, because probably she drives people away rather than welcoming them.

If she did things right, she could have both solitude AND assistance in case of trouble.

One assumes there's always utility repairmen and the sort traveling the road; and children with knapsacks on their backs walking home from school, occasional law-enforcement, hikers and other sportsmen, door-to-door salesmen, Jehovah's Witnesses, loggers, the mailman, a neighbor out looking for something, &c., &c., &c.--if she'd welcome them instead of turning them away, they'd make her place a regular stop, and check up on her, to be sure she's okay.

And so when she broke her leg, all she would've had to do was wait a little bit, and someone'd come to help.

All franksolich can do is keep a pot of constantly-brewing coffee handy during the cold times, and plenty of iced water and iced tea in the refrigerator during the hot times--but allegedly the cali primitive can cook.

If she did up crockpots of steaming beef stew, dishes of home-made cookies, home-made pies and cakes on the counter, a pot of tea, biscuits and crumpets, and some hors d'oevuers around the kitchen, she'd probably have more people checking up on her to be sure she's okay, than I do.

I can't emphasize this enough; the cali primitive is an old woman who lives alone in the forests and mountains.  She needs to have others constantly and routinely check up on her, to be sure she's okay, and giving out free chow is a small price to pay for that security.

Even though the cali primitive's a primitive, and a bitter old one at that, about the last thing I want to read in the newspaper is AGED ANTI-SOCIAL RECLUSE FOUND DEAD IN HOME AFTER 37 DAYS.
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Re: bitter old Vermontese cali primitive being driven nuts
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2011, 08:40:56 AM »
Skip the beer, find a perky-set and go to bed. Will, the pain go away? No, but you will forget the pain for a little while. :-)

Why skip the alcohol it's printed clearly on the side of the prescription bottle that alcohol "enhances" the effect of the drug. Sounds good to me.
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Re: bitter old Vermontese cali primitive being driven nuts
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2011, 10:26:04 AM »
Hmmm.

I was usually in situations where I didn't have to crawl anywhere; all I had to do was sit, and sooner or later someone came by.  That was best shown by my reaction to the busted elbow.

(But the majority of the time, when something's happened, it's happened in the presence of another person.)

I guess my emphasis would be on getting help, which is why I myself probably would've crawled outside, where maybe possibly by lucky chance or accident someone else would see me, and be able to do something.

But this is the company-hating cali primitive after all; maybe she never even thought of that possibility.

Seriously, given her age and that she's a woman who lives alone, the bitter old Vermontese cali primitive needs to encourage visitors, passers-by, so that when things like this happen, she's likely to get help.

I have the impression the cali primitive shoos away visitors, tells them she doesn't want them around.

But again, given her age and that she's a woman who lives alone, lots and lots of people dropping in on her is exactly what she needs.

At the very least, she should consider a med alert system, and she should certainly have a phone down stairs.