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Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« on: May 18, 2011, 05:25:14 PM »
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Big Orange Jeff (125 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed May-18-11 05:28 PM
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Has anyone else noticed that right-wingers have stopped referring to the US as a democracy?
   
They are stressing the fact that our government is a "representative republic". I'm sure it has something to do with the names of the two major parties, and so they can say that the Republican Party is the one to which the founding fathers would belong.

I just find it fascinating that they're so caught up in words instead of real problems.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1129163

Just who is caught up in a word? You brought it up DUmmy.
The simple fact is, we are not, and never have been a democracy, we are a democratic republic.
Which means that the govt has limited powers no matter what the majority may or may not want.

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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed May-18-11 05:34 PM
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1. That's really not new
   
I think it makes them feel smart to throw that around. Whatever. It doesn't change anything.

Actually it makes it so all of the "progressive" causes you support can not technically be implemented because of that darn old Constitution. Sadly for too long our so called leaders have shelved the Constitution and did what they wanted. To those of us who believe in the Constitution it means a lot that we are a republic and not a democracy.

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Frances (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed May-18-11 05:35 PM
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2. I think the reason they use representative republic
   
is that they don't believe in "one man, one vote." They believe in voter IDs, literacy tests, etc. I actually had to take a literacy test when I registered to vote in Alabama; I passed only because I was white. A friends' mother said that in Tennessee, the testers put a W at the top of tests taken by whites. In my case, my paper was marked while I was present. I'm ashamed to say I couldn't answer most of the questions; I doubt many people, white or black, could have done so.

Funny thing is when we try to ensure "one man one vote" IE: voter IDs, you goons throw a fit.

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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed May-18-11 05:41 PM
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5. Recycled Limbaugh.
   
It's literally been years since I listened, but there he is right in the middle of all the talking points. I heard it on the radio. It must be true.

Never mind that it is true, it must be false because Rush said it.  :mental:

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6. They know they're running a con job - words are their tools of manipulation.

Yeah trying to make our govt run like spelled out in the Constitution is a con job.  :mental:

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10. This country has and is facing so many problems and this is the best the
   
republicans can do ... they are a disease.

Yet Harry Reid is worried about cowboy poetry.  :whatever:

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ladjf (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed May-18-11 06:09 PM
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12. Their preoccupation with "words" is because they are intensely
   
interested in manipulating society largely by the use of language. And, it's working.

Democrats are the master of that. They actually had the nerve to call Obamacare The Affordable Health Care Act. Orwell would be proud.

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Re: Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2011, 05:27:34 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on May 18, 2011, 05:25:14 PM
Funny thing is when we try to ensure "one man one vote" IE: voter IDs, you goons throw a fit.

Uh huh.
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Re: Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2011, 05:35:01 PM »
Had a huge go-'round with a lib (which I C&P'ed in GD) over this same topic.

Why is it so hard to admit the fact our federal laws are not decided by referendum and the EC decides the presidency?

Even a cursory scan of the Federalist Papers (HINT!) reveals the founders' distaste for democracy.
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Re: Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2011, 06:03:45 PM »
Becasues it is a representative republic as the Founding Fathers intended. 1+1=2.
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Re: Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2011, 06:11:52 PM »
Quote from: jukin on May 18, 2011, 06:03:45 PM
Becasues it is a representative republic as the Founding Fathers intended. 1+1=2.

1 plus 1 can also equal one, if you are using binary.  :-)
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Re: Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2011, 06:13:35 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on May 18, 2011, 06:11:52 PM
1 plus 1 can also equal one, if you are using binary.  :-)

Or it could mean 11 is you're using **** YOU NERD!


just kiddin'

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Re: Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2011, 06:17:17 PM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on May 18, 2011, 06:13:35 PM
Or it could mean 11 is you're using **** YOU NERD!


just kiddin'

 :-)  :cheersmate:

 :lmao:

At least I didn't use the "42" joke this time.
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Re: Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2011, 06:20:58 PM »
Listen - DUmbasses -

A Representative Republic happens when people are elected to speak for us - we don't get to vote on Capitol Hill -we vote for a representative who hopefully votes the way we would if we were there ourselves.

A Democracy happens when all people have the option to vote on all things, instead of sending representatives to do it for us.

..As for complaining about words..

This coming from the people who insist on being referred to as the DemocratIC party, even though you have no problem calling us Repugs, Repigs, Rethugs, Rethulikkkans, etc etc...  So, you bitches should shut up until you get your own house in order, mmmkay ?
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Re: Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2011, 06:29:50 PM »
Quote from: miskie on May 18, 2011, 06:20:58 PM
Listen - DUmbasses -

A Democracy happens when all people have the option to vote on all things, instead of sending representatives to do it for us.


And the DUmmies wouldn't be getting any of the freebies they enjoy.....come to think of it, gas would be cheap, the prison camps would be full of cheap labor, queers would be out of sight and out of mind and I would have more money than I do now.

I'm all for a democracy....how 'bout y'all? 
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Re: Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2011, 06:58:34 PM »
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed May-18-11 05:34 PM
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1. That's really not new
   
I think it makes them feel smart to throw that around. Whatever. It doesn't change anything.
Just like participating and riots and chanting "this is what democracy looks like" makes DUmmies feel smart.

Are you a smart DUmmie? Yes you are! Yes you are!
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Re: Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2011, 07:09:32 PM »
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I actually had to take a literacy test
I'm ashamed to say I couldn't answer most of the questions
I copied the only parts of this post that could possibly be true.
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Re: Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2011, 08:16:24 PM »
A Democracy is mob rule, nothing more, nothing less. If we were a Democracy, slavery would have existed long after 1866 and many, many states might as well sit out of presidential elections.
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Re: Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2011, 10:09:56 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on May 18, 2011, 08:16:24 PM
A Democracy is mob rule, nothing more, nothing less. If we were a Democracy, slavery would have existed long after 1866 and many, many states might as well sit out of presidential elections.

Why do you think they're so upset we refuse to concede a democracy?
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Re: Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2011, 10:36:09 PM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on May 18, 2011, 10:09:56 PM
Why do you think they're so upset we refuse to concede a democracy?

Someone here has the sigline that Democracy is two wolves and sheep voting on what's for dinner and that liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.  That ought make some DUmmie heads explode.
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Re: Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2011, 08:38:29 AM »
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Frances (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Wed May-18-11 05:35 PM
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2. I think the reason they use representative republic
   
is that they don't believe in "one man, one vote." They believe in voter IDs, literacy tests, etc. I actually had to take a literacy test when I registered to vote in Alabama; I passed only because I was white. A friends' mother said that in Tennessee, the testers put a W at the top of tests taken by whites. In my case, my paper was marked while I was present. I'm ashamed to say I couldn't answer most of the questions; I doubt many people, white or black, could have done so.

It's only 9:30 and here it is, our DUmmie post of the day.  Couldn't answer questions on a literacy test?  Would that be matching C-A-T to the picture? 

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Re: Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2011, 08:44:49 AM »
It does get to be rather silly at times.  Regular Members of Congress, for instance, are directly democratically elected, so all the pluses and minuses of democracy affect them individually and play into actions they take that affect their future prospects for re-election.  The national government as a whole, and the Hous and Senate as entities, are of course the machinery of a federally-organized representative republic.
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Re: Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2011, 09:05:05 AM »
Democracy: a form of government where most of the "all" can **** over the "one".

Republic: a form of government where the "one" can **** it up for most of the "all".
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Re: Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2011, 11:39:34 AM »
Quote from: miskie on May 18, 2011, 06:20:58 PM
Listen - DUmbasses -

A Representative Republic happens when people are elected to speak for us - we don't get to vote on Capitol Hill -we vote for a representative who hopefully votes the way we would if we were there ourselves.

A Democracy happens when all people have the option to vote on all things, instead of sending representatives to do it for us.

..As for complaining about words..

This coming from the people who insist on being referred to as the DemocratIC party, even though you have no problem calling us Repugs, Repigs, Rethugs, Rethulikkkans, etc etc...  So, you bitches should shut up until you get your own house in order, mmmkay ?

Hi5 miskie
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Re: Primitive ponders why we don't call the USA a democracy.
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2011, 07:25:25 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on May 18, 2011, 06:29:50 PM
And the DUmmies wouldn't be getting any of the freebies they enjoy.....come to think of it, gas would be cheap, the prison camps would be full of cheap labor, queers would be out of sight and out of mind and I would have more money than I do now.

I'm all for a democracy....how 'bout y'all? 

 :lol:

Yep!! Count me in!! If we were a true democracy then the approx 20 or so percent of liberals in this country would probably find themselves on the business end of a firearm... along with illegals, welfare parasites, drug dealers, career politicians, child molesters, etc. 
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