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Nuclear Unicorn  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jun-29-10 10:11 PM
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Push to let Australian doctors mutilate genitals of baby girls 
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AUSTRALIAN doctors are considering a controversial form of genital mutilation on baby girls.

The practice involving cutting a girl's genitals, sometimes with razors or pieces of glass, could be allowed in a clinical setting to stem illegal backyard procedures which are leaving young girls scarred for life.

The Royal Australian New Zealand College of Obstetricians will next month discuss backing "ritual nicks", a modified form of genital mutilation.

But experts are divided on whether to allow the practice, given that in some cultures it is used to remove the sexual feelings of women.

Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/push-to-let-a...


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What a horrible choice to have to make: mutilate a female clinically or risk worse in a place it cannot be observed or controlled.

I know many here--myself included--would be tempted to draw abortion parallels.

I ask that we remember this is a wholly separate issue that needs as much attention. Focusing on abortion only leaves this hideous practice unchallenged and I think I can say without risk on contradiction that even RW christians oppose this barbaric practice.

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To be fair, most of the comments condemn the practice but there are a few who will defend it to the bitter end...

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qb  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jun-29-10 10:23 PM
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4. What's good for the gander is good for the goose?
 It is difficult to find this kind of outrage in defense of baby boys. All infants and children should be protected from genital mutilation.


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calendargirl (10 posts)     Tue Jun-29-10 10:27 PM
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I agree.
 How is this really any different from circumcision, which is a commonly accepted practice?

 
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Nuclear Unicorn  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jun-29-10 10:32 PM
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13. At the expense of TMI: my BF is circumcized
 and enjoying sex is not an issue for him.

This practice is designed explicitly for the purpose of denying women their sexual rights.


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customerserviceguy  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jun-29-10 10:53 PM
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25. You can't be serious
 One doesn't affect sexual functioning and/or satisfaction, the other clearly does.

Want more proof? If paternalistic cultures developed and spread male circumcision, then it can't be terribly harmful to guys, now can it?

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shaayecanaan  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jun-29-10 11:46 PM
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48. Ive been with a circumcised (Egyptian) woman and it didnt affect her either
 Actually, the lack of smegma was a plus, as far as I was concerned.


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superconnected  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jun-29-10 11:49 PM
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49. How odd. So many have been in womens magazines upset becuase they were multilated.
 Actually, I hope you don't have daughters. 


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calendargirl (10 posts)     Tue Jun-29-10 10:39 PM
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21. Not ridiculous.
 The nick is the alternative to the circumcision of the clitoris. Very similar.


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femrap  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jun-29-10 11:44 PM
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44. You really need 
 to read up on this practice and take a sex ed class. Boys have foreskin that is removed for stupid religious reasons...but some say it is for cleansing purposes.

Women have NO reason whatsoever to have their clits pricked for any f*cking reason. You want it done to yourself?

I don't think you're welcome here.


And back and forth it goes until--suddenly--the DUmbasses discover their inner xenophobe...

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Imajika (1000+ posts)      Tue Jun-29-10 11:24 PM
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30. Hey, lets appease Muslim religious fanatics more...
 ...we can compromise on "honor killing" by allowing licensed professionals to perform "honor maiming". Instead of actually killing the girl who supposedly brought shame to the her family, we will just beat her really bad and leave her with a few permanent injuries so the family can show others how much they value their honor.

Also, lets go ahead and allow Sharia law. So they want to kill apostates? Big deal, as long as they keep the crazy stuff to a regulated minimum (we will appoint some sort of board that determines the amount of craziness allowed) we can avoid offending them.

That Australian doctors would even consider this is infuriating.

"With the rise in Somali and Sudanese numbers in Australia, doctors are seeing more cases of young girls, and women, needing surgery after illegal operations."

How about we tell these Somali and Sudanese people to get the hell out if they support this insanity. And if they do this crap to their daughters, they and the doctor who performed the illegal operation should be locked up for life without the possibility of parole.

This is real simple. If people from Somalia and Sudan can be expected to regularly perform this kind of atrocity, do not let any of them move to Australia.

And yeah, yeah, I guess this has to be added lest anyone be offended - everyone knows their are crazies in all religions. We don't need any whiny "but Christians do X thing which is bad too".
 

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Mz Pip  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jun-29-10 11:40 PM
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42. I agree
 It astonishes me that Australian doctors would even consider performing some modified version of this horrible practice. "Nick" is nuts.

How about this: If you move to Australia, you have to abide by the laws of Australia. I would think that genital mutilation would be something that would be considered illegal. It's either torture or physical abuse or both.

Mutilate your daughter - go to prison. Period.

And there should be some malpractice punishment - like losing the medical license and going to jail - if a doctor performs this.

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Imajika (1000+ posts)      Wed Jun-30-10 12:01 AM
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59. Exactly...
 "Mutilate your daughter - go to prison. Period."

Straight to the point.

I will add an idea. If Australia is having a problem with immigrants/workers from Somalia and Sudan doing this kind of thing, and they still want to allow people to immigrate from those countries, it should be plainly stated to them what the rules are. Something like this:

'Australia DOES not allow female genital mutilation of ANY kind. EVER. For no reason is this allowed. EVER. If you are even thinking this might be a clever idea, do NOT come here. If you allow your daughter to be brutalized in this way, BOTH parents and any doctor, Imam, spiritual leader, etc, will go to jail for the rest of their lives.'

Oh, and to make sure there are no wounded feelings we can add:

'Yes, Australia is aware there are crazies in every religion. The evidence indicates this particular kind of craziness seems to be especially popular amongst the people that immigrate from your country. If you think the practice of female genital mutilation is acceptable for any reason, Australia is just not for you.'
 
 
 
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SunnySong (499 posts)       Tue Jun-29-10 11:52 PM
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50. I agree if you are not willing to accempt enlightment you should go back to your own country. 
 I have a feeling this will be a bigger problem in the United States down the road as well. We have a lot of Somali immigrants.

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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts)        Tue Jun-29-10 11:36 PM
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36. The choice is charge parents with child abuse,,,or charge parents with child abuse.
 Australia must have some serious problems if they are really considering this. Would hate to be a woman there. Maybe NOW should organize a women's tourist boycott of the country.


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femrap  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jun-29-10 11:38 PM
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37. Put the parents
 and/or practitioner of this barbarism in jail plus big fines. When will this misogyny end? 

Sickening.


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SunnySong (499 posts)       Tue Jun-29-10 11:52 PM
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51. But them on a boat back to their own culture. Why pay for jail. nt


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Zephie (23 posts)        Tue Jun-29-10 11:40 PM
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41. How difficult...
 I don't support any sort of sexual mutilation (that includes, in my opinion, circumcision), however if it's going to continue regardless I feel that it's only fair to the baby that it be done in a sterile and cleanly environment. I feel that maybe instead of just making it legal to do at a doctors that the government should instead push for understanding of why it would be a poor choice for the baby in question.

 
 
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Mz Pip  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jun-29-10 11:45 PM
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47. Lots of awful things are done
 regardless of whether or not they are illegal. This isn't like legalizing marijuana because people do it anyway.

It should not be condoned in any way shape or form. This is just taking cultural relativism way too far.


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Maybe it's because we're all just spoonfed xenophobic, racist robot drones taking our cues from talk radio...

...BUT...

...I can't imagine this even being a debate on a conservative board. FGM is bad. Period. No debate.

Or maybe it's just because our wimmenz are totally hawt.
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FGM  is happening here, too.

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Look... before you get your panties in a knot over this... think like a liberal... be open-minded... understand the benefits of cultural diversity... ok... now you should be ready to read the following:

Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) has appeared in the form of "corrective surgery" at a premier American hospital. While we lambaste the practice abroad, some doctors are justifying its use and performing FGM in the United States.

In 1997, it was estimated that 168,000 women and girls had been or were at risk of undergoing FGM. This isn't just immigrants bringing their cultural practice to the U.S.; as it turns out, FGM is being performed at an Ivy League university. This story demonstrates how our image-obsessed culture is encouraging the mutilation of young girls.

Dr. Dix P. Poppas, head of pediatric urology department at Cornell University's New York Presbyterian Hospital, one of the premier hospitals in the nation, has been performing clitoral reductions -- a.k.a. female genital mutilation -- on young girls. The abhorrent practice, according to the good doctor, is humane because it spares girls from the humiliation of having an "oversized" clitoris. He claims the practice is "nerve-sparing" and that he runs tests by prodding and using a vibrator on the young girls after the surgery.

The surgery in and of itself is bad... but then we have grown men "prodding and using a vibrator on the young girls"...

Really?

Where are the feminists?  Where are those who decry the abuse of children in the Catholic Church?  Where is the media?

Has anyone see these people?

Anyone?
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In 1997, it was estimated that 168,000 women and girls had been or were at risk of undergoing FGM. This isn't just immigrants bringing their cultural practice to the U.S.; as it turns out, FGM is being performed at an Ivy League university. This story demonstrates how our image-obsessed culture is encouraging the mutilation of young girls.

Yeah, but they're not using a pair of rusty pliers.

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This is insane that FGM is even being considered in a western country!
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shaayecanaan  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jun-29-10 11:46 PM
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48. Ive been with a circumcised (Egyptian) woman and it didnt affect her either
 Actually, the lack of smegma was a plus, as far as I was concerned.

Damn man, what the hell kind of women do they ****?
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Damn man, what the hell kind of women do they ****?

I was wondering the exact same thing!

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shaayecanaan  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jun-29-10 11:46 PM
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48. Ive been with a circumcised (Egyptian) woman and it didnt affect her either
 Actually, the lack of smegma was a plus, as far as I was concerned.

Women who've been mutilated suffer from painful sex, this guy is an idiot to even say it wasn't painful for the woman.
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At the expense of TMI: my BF is circumcized and enjoying sex is not an issue for him.

That's true.  It's just that he doesn't enjoy it with you.

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shaayecanaan  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jun-29-10 07:44 PM
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45. They're not talking about "butchering a clitoris"
   they're talking about nicking the clitoral hood.

Female circumcision, much like male circumcision, has some marginal health benefits. The removal of the clitoral hood removes smegma from the vagina which in turn reduces the incidence of urinary tract infections - much like male circumcision.

Personally, I don't think such a pathetic level of benefit justifies either procedure, but I do object to blatant western hypocrisy when I see it, and I certainly see it in attitudes towards female circumcision vis-a-vis male circumcision.

This guys a fool, urinary complications are common amongst women who've been mutilated.
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This guys a fool, urinary complications are common amongst women who've been mutilated.
He doesn't seem to grasp the difference between removing the hood and removing the clitoris.  Of course, being a lib, he probably doesn't have enough experience with sex to understand the difference...   :loser:
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The DUmmies found out about the FGM here in the US.  http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=222x89142
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sam sarrha   (1000+ posts)             Tue Jun-29-10 08:35 PM
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Female Genital Mutilation Performed at Cornell University, 6 yr old .. >Link> please sign petition   
   
http://womensrights.change.org/blog/view/female_genital...
Dr. Dix P. Poppas, head of pediatric urology department at Cornell University's New York Presbyterian Hospital, one of the premier hospitals in the nation, has been performing clitoral reductions — a.k.a. female genital mutilation — on young girls. The abhorrent practice, according to the good doctor, is humane because it spares girls from the humiliation of having an "oversized" clitoris. He claims the practice is "nerve-sparing" and that he runs tests by prodding and using a vibrator on the young girls after the surgery.


please sign the petition and help stop this pervert maggot from mutilating more 6 year old girls,
http://womensrights.change.org/petitions/view/tell_corn...

i am horrified beyond words.. at least he didn't use a piece of broken glass like other cultures do,

That site was linked to from the wizbang link I posted.

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Damn man, what the hell kind of women do they ****?
Why the women with a uncircumcised penis growing out of their foreheads of course!  :fuelfire:
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Damn man, what the hell kind of women do they ****?

Close as I van tell, limp rags!

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How about this: If you move to Australia, you have to abide by the laws of Australia. I would think that genital mutilation would be something that would be considered illegal. It's either torture or physical abuse or both.

Yet, if we ask an illegal to just come into our country according to our laws, we're racist bastards!

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I've seen this mainly done in Muslim communities and countries.

It basically kills any kind of pleasure for the woman during sex.  Muslim law doesn't think she should enjoy it too...she's just supposed to pump out future suicide bombers.
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He doesn't seem to grasp the difference between removing the hood and removing the clitoris.  Of course, being a lib, he probably doesn't have enough experience with sex to understand the difference...   :loser:

Actually, being a lefty, he probably does have a fair amount of experience with sex . . . as a bottom. :fuelfire:
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Actually, being a lefty, he probably does have a fair amount of experience with sex . . . as a bottom. :fuelfire:
Point taken.  I revise my statement..."He doesn't have enough experience with sex WITH WOMEN to know the difference."   :-)

This may well explain the feminazi attitude toward sex...one experience with a conservative male would improve that attitude immensely.   :-)
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the sexually backwards breed... don't they call that "The reverse cowgirl"?
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This may well explain the feminazi attitude toward sex...one experience with a conservative male would improve that attitude immensely.   :-)

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And that begs the question . . . who's willing to "take give one for the team?"
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And to think, conservatives are supposed to be the sexually backwards breed...


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the sexually backwards breed... don't they call that "The reverse cowgirl"?
If it's backwards then why am I always looking forward to it?
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If it's backwards then why am I always looking forward to it?

Daddy always said I was trying to do everything ass backwards.....might as well try it with sex, huh :-)
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Daddy always said I was trying to do everything ass backwards.....might as well try it with sex, huh :-)

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This absolutely disgusts me. And this is exactly where feminism loses me. Ms. Steinem (who found she liked riding a bike after all) displays characteristic, petty female outrage because Sara Palin dares to call herself a feminist. Instead of being proud that Ms. Steinem's efforts have led to good things for the entire spectrum of women in this country this ridiculous harpy bitches about who can call themselves a feminist. Meanwhile, here is a REAL women's issue affecting girls who have been out of the womb for quite some time and should, therefore, fall under the protection of these wimmin's groups. But no, we're still harping about equal pay, mother earth, and patriarchal society. Because it's not about helping women or girls. It's about angry, selfish, immature little brats whose mommy and daddy didn't buy them the Betsy Wetsy doll they wanted.

Maybe these perpetually angry women lack reverence for our bodies (mine comes from my Christianity). The clitoris is the ONLY organ in the body, male or female, designed solely for pleasure. Read Song of Solomon and you'll learn God intended men and women to worship each other's bodies for mutual pleasure. God deliberately, precisely (and perfectly IMO) put a woman's pleasure center there for a reason and it wasn't so that misogynists in backwards religions could begin their abuse of women at an early age. This is SO sick and twisted. If they truly cared about women's issues they'd have major campaigns to fight this. Evidently, keeping Sara Palin from co-opting "their" word is more important than keeping little girls from being mutilated. But, perhaps, since they share the same kind of baseless, misdirected anger as these 13th century males, they would have to face their own irrelevance and idiocy and keeping themselves in their clueless little cocoon is more important than keeping little girls from being mutilated.

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Seriously?????

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Seriously?????


Sounds like a doc who treats VD "Old school."

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