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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #75 on: January 04, 2010, 09:48:06 PM »
I wonder what kind of climate peppercorns need?  I guess I am going to have to do some research.
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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #76 on: January 04, 2010, 10:17:17 PM »
I'm getting a soil test to determine acidity and PH and whatnot. Then I'll know what will thrive and...um...grow. I'm pretty sure the coco plantation will have to be inside the solarium though. I may go with some hardy berry plants outside. Boysenberry being the money berry of course.

I'll miss rice and flour though, unless the total breakdown of society leads to a return of the steam locomotive and the paddle wheel boat. Otherwise I'll have to portage my wares down the Verde river via doeskin canoe. Ah. And somebody better come up with the instruction manual for growing popcorn plants.

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #77 on: January 04, 2010, 11:29:37 PM »
Canning equipment check.  Knowledge how to use it?  WORKING ON IT.
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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #78 on: January 04, 2010, 11:47:06 PM »
I thought you were agin' slavery. Or, as we refer to the unfortunate surplus population here at Burrs' Trading Post, Umpa Lumpas.

You'd be better off hitching the masseuse up to a plow and getting an honest days labor out of her before she has to soap up your feet each evening while getting the corn bread out of the dutch oven and the yams on the table.

Meanwhile, I've decided to open up a bank in Galts Gulch. I figure people are going to need the financial services and stability offered by an institution of the caliber and reputation as the First Bank of Burr. I'll back my notes with Tequila and coco beans while I accumulate enough gold, titles, deeds and/or wampum belts to make my bank a going concern.

Once Galts Gulch becomes a financial powerhouse in the "Second Republic," we'll raise an army staffed with our Umpa Lumpas and convene another Constitutional Convention somewhere in Kansas.

Oh, and we'll renegotiate the Gadsden purchase along the way.
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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #79 on: January 04, 2010, 11:56:06 PM »
Once Galts Gulch becomes a financial powerhouse in the "Second Republic," we'll raise an army staffed with our Umpa Lumpas and convene another Constitutional Convention somewhere in Kansas.

It won't be slavery, it'll be funployment. heh.

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #80 on: January 05, 2010, 12:00:11 AM »
I was kinda' hoping to beat them to it.

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #81 on: January 05, 2010, 01:01:16 AM »

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #82 on: January 05, 2010, 01:23:02 AM »
https://www.usaemergencysupply.com/food_storage/year_supply_of_food_deluxe.htm

Clear out that spare bedroom!!

Gotta wonder what the freight is on 802lbs over here  :p

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #83 on: January 05, 2010, 01:27:12 AM »
Gotta wonder what the freight is on 802lbs over here  :p


I guess you could always rent a U-Haul and pick it up yourself.

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #84 on: January 05, 2010, 05:05:59 AM »
I allready pretty much garden, can, dehydrate and smoke meats. Gardening is not a easy as you might think. There are lots of pests and blights and stuff out there to ruin it. Alot to learn!
 I figure where I live 100 miles north of the Big Apple it will be horror from the mass exodus. So I have a hunting cabin deep in the woods and lots of guns and ammo. I'll just eat the citiots as long as I can. :yum:
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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #85 on: January 05, 2010, 05:13:23 AM »
I allready pretty much garden, can, dehydrate and smoke meats. Gardening is not a easy as you might think. There are lots of pests and blights and stuff out there to ruin it. Alot to learn!
 I figure where I live 100 miles north of the Big Apple it will be horror from the mass exodus. So I have a hunting cabin deep in the woods and lots of guns and ammo. I'll just eat the citiots as long as I can. :yum:

Just at a guess - but I'd imagine that Manhattan Long Pig wouldn't taste so great.
 

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #86 on: January 05, 2010, 05:26:21 AM »
I've sorta already had this plan in mind for a while. I have three acres that used to be an apple orchard. Still have a few apple trees left, so I'm set for apples. Have been meaning to put in a couple each of cherries, apricots, pears, and the one kind of peaches that are said to survive here. I would also like to build a self-powered chicken house, with enough solar and wind generation to keep a font heater and a light bulb going. Couple of goats, couple of pigs, and a garden, plus an occasional deer, should keep me from starving.

Speaking of deer, I have a lifetime supply of brass and bullets, but I sold all my primers and powder when I moved cross country. Need to stock those back up.

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #87 on: January 05, 2010, 07:24:10 AM »
Vesta's' right on the money. I hope you keep that assessment to yourself though, as it would tend to undermine the whole premise of my sla..um..indentured servitude labor force.

Here's where I live, this is the end of my driveway.



So I'm going to be eating a lot of meat. But I like the way Mrs. Deb thinks. Were I able to grow coco beans, I would use my surplus labor force to build some sort of evil Willy Wonka factory. A serious chocoholic wouldn't mind that the salt required for chocolate manufacture came from the bitter tears of my surplus labor force...who for legal reasons will henceforth be referred to as "Umpa Lumpas".

But yeah, Mr. Efa definitely has us all beat when it comes to access to natural resources.

On Edit: Bookmarked the tobacco link. Who knew the interwebs were good for anything like that? And I'm envious of Mr. Reb. Hell, after I'm done consolidating the land adjacent to Casa De Burr, all I'll have is 11 acres.

Hummmmm your property has some good possibilities. Have you considered fencing the whole shebang off, buying perhaps 6 baby pigs and turning them loose.?  After 2 years the hogs will have tripled if not more and gone wild.  Charge hunters to come and hunt the suckers one hog per person.  At $350 per head and a day of hunting where only the biggest hogs are taken first year you can clear $3,500 with just 10 hunters.

You can sweeten the pot by selling raffle tickets at $1.00 each  in the bars and truck stops and once a week draw a ticket to allow one hunter to pay the fee and hunt -----this way there will just be one hunter a week on your property and you can keep an eye on them.

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #88 on: January 05, 2010, 07:59:52 AM »
I'll just eat the citiots as long as I can. :yum:

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The experts say that the Japanese taste the best. White people are to salty and black females are the best eating. I'd start with dark meat and work my way down to the worst....that is if I had a choice. But if the SHTF, I guess I'd just have to take whatever came my way.

 
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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #89 on: January 05, 2010, 10:32:23 AM »
If the SHTF....depending on who is leading the charge for destruction...we may not have to worry about it.

Being only 20 minutes from Oak Ridge...where the largest supply of nuclear materials is kept.....we could end up just going KA-BOOM....
Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

Save the Earth... it's the only planet with chocolate.

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #90 on: January 05, 2010, 10:40:17 AM »
If the SHTF....depending on who is leading the charge for destruction...we may not have to worry about it.

Being only 20 minutes from Oak Ridge...where the largest supply of nuclear materials is kept.....we could end up just going KA-BOOM....

Not if it is a biological attack..........  ;)
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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #91 on: January 05, 2010, 10:50:25 AM »
Not if it is a biological attack..........  ;)

Have you looked on a map where I live? Smack dab in the middle of the TVA system! We are more concerned here about a biological attack into our waters than anything.

About the only way to hit the Oak Ridge plants is by air. Since 9/11, the gates have been moved further away from the buildings, there are lots of concrete barriers....and the guards are mostly former military...particularly Marines. I'm blanking on the name of the company that provides the security. But I had a client that worked for them. Former Marine who won awards for sharpshooting(his wife had them framed and I saw them on the wall).

We have thousands of miles of accessible shoreline...on waters that provide not only our drinking water, but also our electricity.
Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

Save the Earth... it's the only planet with chocolate.

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #92 on: January 05, 2010, 11:07:18 AM »
Have you looked on a map where I live? Smack dab in the middle of the TVA system! We are more concerned here about a biological attack into our waters than anything.

About the only way to hit the Oak Ridge plants is by air. Since 9/11, the gates have been moved further away from the buildings, there are lots of concrete barriers....and the guards are mostly former military...particularly Marines. I'm blanking on the name of the company that provides the security. But I had a client that worked for them. Former Marine who won awards for sharpshooting(his wife had them framed and I saw them on the wall).

We have thousands of miles of accessible shoreline...on waters that provide not only our drinking water, but also our electricity.

Deb, there is typically no "Ka-BOOM" associated with a biological attack, therefore making your Nuc Pwr Plant irrelevent. Even a NUC attack on Knoxville probably wouldn't make the Pwr plant explode. (Sparky could answer that better than I)
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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #93 on: January 05, 2010, 11:37:37 AM »
Deb, there is typically no "Ka-BOOM" associated with a biological attack, therefore making your Nuc Pwr Plant irrelevent. Even a NUC attack on Knoxville probably wouldn't make the Pwr plant explode. (Sparky could answer that better than I)


Let's try this again....

Bad guys aren't going to hit Oak Ridge by biological attack. The only way to hit Y-12 would be by air or an insider. Y-12 is not a nuclear power plant. Y-12 is a huge compound, covering miles, it is where the Manhattan Project was. K-25 is also over there and it is currently being dismantled....and has been in the process for several years and will continue for several years more.

I know there is not a KA-BOOM with a biological attack.  :tongue:

The TVA system is totally separate from the OR facilities....though the OR facilities have had a very detrimental effect on the TVA system due to all the contaminates that OR has put into the waters and water table for 40-50 years.

Obviously they no longer do, but the damage was done years and years ago. There is so much nuclear contaminated materials buried in the OR area...that no one even knows where it's all buried. Which is why so much of the wildlife over there is "altered" - extra eyes, missing legs, etc....and why only those desperate for food will eat the fish caught in the waters downstream from OR.

Back on a biological attack....it has been a major concern around here since 9/11, that it would be so easy for terrorists to contaminate the TVA system or to blow up one of the dams. Obviously the dams are well patrolled but it is impossible guard the shorelines against terrorists.

Although...those TVA guys are very good at determining if you've put in an illegal dock or you cut down any trees on your property that TVA has an easement. TVA has easements along every bit of shoreline in the TVA system. While a landowner may "own" the land several feet - sometimes 100's of feet - out into the water, they are not allowed to build within a specified footage of the "TVA high water line". In most cases, that high water line is never going to see water unless The Great Flood arrives...but nevertheless...TVA makes the rules and a landowner is not even allowed to cut down a tree on that easement. TVA routinely takes shoreline pictures, and woe to the landowner who makes any changes without written permission from TVA. The fines imposed on the landowner are quite high. (the only reason I know as much about this is because I have had buyers who bought waterfront property and sellers who have sold waterfront - lots of additional paperwork concerning shoreline, docks, permits, etc. must accompany the documents)
Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

Save the Earth... it's the only planet with chocolate.

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #94 on: January 05, 2010, 12:00:48 PM »
Speaking of deer, I have a lifetime supply of brass and bullets, but I sold all my primers and powder when I moved cross country. Need to stock those back up.

Throw down some corn and potatoes and it sounds like a plan

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #96 on: January 05, 2010, 01:34:40 PM »



You've been fishin' over here?

Seriously, there are 3-eyed fish.

Depending on where certain deer are hunted, they are supposed to be taken to the TWRA to be checked with a geiger counter.

I won't even show houses over there, let alone sell them.

Had a client that was moved here with Bechtel to do K-25 clean-up (he was an environmental engineer)...he asked to see houses in OR and I suggested he work with an agent from OR. He laughed and said nope, I'll keep you. Just wanted to see if I would show him OR. He had no intentions of wanting to live there.

Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

Save the Earth... it's the only planet with chocolate.

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #97 on: January 05, 2010, 01:50:55 PM »
You've been fishin' over here?

Seriously, there are 3-eyed fish.

Does not sound a good place to live to me. either.

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #98 on: January 05, 2010, 04:24:39 PM »
O.K. After a meeting with the board members it's been unanimously decided that Vesta is now the new C.F.O. of the First Bank of Burr. I'll be consolidating my acreage this year and hope to have the first Alexander Hamilton Memorial Pig Shoot sometime this fall.

In the meantime we're still stuck with 5 acres, just like Floyds' doomsday scenario.

So to survive I'm going to need.

Canning Junk
Dehydration junk
Lead and Lead delivery systems
Seeds and the wherewithal regarding their usage
Water
Livestock
Soap making materials

And oh yeah, either a lathe or spare parts for every conceivable gizmo, widget and funny looking metal dealie that I would ever possibly need.

So I guess I have to build a brick oven outside for when the propane runs out and the stove doesn't work anymore.

Wouldn't this whole scenario work out better if our country was the one blasting all the other ones back to the stone age? I've decided I like the modern world and all it's conveniences.

Toothpaste springs to mind. As does toilet paper. Screw chocolate hoarding. The new king of America is going to be the guy with a warehouse full of Charmin.

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #99 on: January 05, 2010, 05:48:28 PM »
AB - I recommend having some things that can work in several ways.  You mention toothpaste.  How about baking soda which can be used for brushing teeth, as an abrasive for cleaning, and to soothe an upset stomache if you try to eat something that doesn't agree with you, but doesn't kill ya either. 

Just an example, I'm not picking on ya.

That's kind of how we pack when we go to cow camps.  For some interesting reading the Outward Bound books and some of the old Firefox stuff gives good ideas on reducing the number of things you need.  I haven't had to spend months in a camp for a few years, but I still live a pretty minimal existance as far as stuff goes.  I think I'd miss the internet the most!  And my cell phone!  :whatever:

If things didn't get too squirrely, I think most hard working people would adapt just fine.  And a bunch of the others don't know how to shoot.