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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #100 on: January 05, 2010, 06:09:13 PM »
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The experts say that the Japanese taste the best. White people are to salty and black females are the best eating. I'd start with dark meat and work my way down to the worst....that is if I had a choice. But if the SHTF, I guess I'd just have to take whatever came my way.

Back in the gold-rush days on the Palmer River goldfield here , the natives had a clear preference for the Chinese miners. The Chinese had a much better diet - far more greens and less meat than the European miners.

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #101 on: January 05, 2010, 06:14:25 PM »
O.K. After a meeting with the board members it's been unanimously decided that Vesta is now the new C.F.O. of the First Bank of Burr. I'll be consolidating my acreage this year and hope to have the first Alexander Hamilton Memorial Pig Shoot sometime this fall.

In the meantime we're still stuck with 5 acres, just like Floyds' doomsday scenario.

So to survive I'm going to need.

Canning Junk
Dehydration junk
Lead and Lead delivery systems
Seeds and the wherewithal regarding their usage
Water
Livestock
Soap making materials
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Soap is fairly easy to manufacture - animal fat and lye essentially.

Depending on what timber is available, lye can be made by leeching the ash from your stove or heater ash pan.

As for the luxury of toilet paper - I believe "paper" money is washable. Ain't gonna be much good for anything else.

 

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #102 on: January 05, 2010, 06:52:36 PM »
. As does toilet paper. Screw chocolate hoarding. The new king of America is going to be the guy with a warehouse full of Charmin.


Must have TP.....MUST!!!

Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

Save the Earth... it's the only planet with chocolate.

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #103 on: January 05, 2010, 08:22:39 PM »

Must have TP.....MUST!!!



What's the matter?? You don't like "drip dry"???
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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #104 on: January 05, 2010, 08:29:42 PM »
Hmmm. So it looks like Galts Gulch would be a success were it populated solely by members of this website. It looks really, really hard for one family to be completely self sufficient. Neighbors would be an invaluable asset in a scenario like Floyds.

I like the baking soda idea and others like it. 90% of stuff in the modern world most of us could get by without having. But it looks like Galts Gulch will be the main exporters of coco beans and toilet paper during the initial months of the Second Republic.

Since I really am about to move into 5 acres in a rural area, I think I might start a thread about the perils and pitfalls of self sufficiency. I'll make soap and pies and whatnot, jerk venison and learn up on candle making and leather curing.

Oh. And it looks like besides generating my own power I'm going to have to become my own internet service provider. Fine. But I'll be charging usurious rates to keep all you internet addicts up and running.

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #105 on: January 05, 2010, 08:43:48 PM »
Funny.  This has been a discussion for a year or so with my boyfriend and me.  I would like to say it is because we are worried about the SHTF, but really, we just don't like big crowds of stupid people. 
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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #106 on: January 05, 2010, 08:50:40 PM »
I saw a neat trick on Les Stroud's survival show yesterday... cotton balls smeared with petroleum jelly make a good kindling/firestarter.
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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #107 on: January 05, 2010, 08:53:14 PM »
I saw a neat trick on Les Stroud's survival show yesterday... cotton balls smeared with petroleum jelly make a good kindling/firestarter.

If you can still find the individual wrapped "wet-naps" that have alcohol on them, they work well too, but burn faster.

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #108 on: January 05, 2010, 08:56:26 PM »
I saw a neat trick on Les Stroud's survival show yesterday... cotton balls smeared with petroleum jelly make a good kindling/firestarter.

Any wicking material should do the same job. Paper at a pinch. Wrap it around a stick if need be.

I think it was petroleum jelly that we used to fuel lamps made from a shoe polish can - a piece of cotton - and a paperclip.

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #109 on: January 05, 2010, 09:28:05 PM »
Great Scott!! Why don't we rub sticks together to make fire and simply grunt at one another in order to communicate? No,no. BurrInc. and its subsidiaries will survive this imaginary apocalypse in style. Coco trees in the Solarium and toilet paper manufacturing plant out back. Toilet Paper

Floyd's original scenario imagines an America gone Medieval. I dunno', maybe in the big cities, who knows? I imagine an America gone Deadwood. I guess I'd get depressed if all my neighbors started getting bowl cuts and began wearing burlap. Casual gunplay and horse droppings I can deal with.

Anyway, it turns out in order to make decent soap I have to use olives. So I started thinkin'. Let's say we're trading in post meltdown America. What's a bar of soap worth? I had to use olives to make them. Olives that would otherwise have been eaten....not by me of course, maybe the Mrs. would have enjoyed them.

How many chocolate bars would I get for a bar of Ivory? Conversely, what's a bottle of Tequila worth? Cloth? Hell, I know I'm not about to spin, weave and sew me up a new shirt. How many of my precious coco beans will it take to get some peanut butter?

Since I live in the high country all I'd potentially bring to the bargaining table would be animal hides and the aforementioned tequila. Maybe some T.P. What cha' got to trade, flatlanders? Gunpowder? Delicacies? Old comic books?
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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #111 on: January 05, 2010, 10:29:27 PM »
Deb,Think newspaper. http://ezinearticles.com/?Disaster-Preparedness---Coping-Without-Toilet-Paper&id=1050229


read the article.....and the proper way to use water....ewwwww.

I'm going to be stocking up on toilet paper and chocolate... :-)
Just hand over the chocolate...back away slowly...far away....and you won't get hurt....

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #112 on: January 05, 2010, 10:30:23 PM »
Madame. I popped out my monocle reading that article. If TP is the defining element of civilized society, then Burr Industries will be prepared to meet the sanitary needs of post apocalyptic America with gold edged, double ply, embroidered "curl papers."

I may have to put the TP manufacturing plant on double shifts to keep up with the expected demand.

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #113 on: January 05, 2010, 10:31:06 PM »


Since I really am about to move into 5 acres in a rural area, I think I might start a thread about the perils and pitfalls of self sufficiency. I'll make soap and pies and whatnot, jerk venison and learn up on candle making and leather curing.


On that five acres, you're going to want to think "security". Good vision of any people coming to your house, no "blind spots", alarm systems of some sort, etc. You'll need to consider what walls will protect you and what walls won't. (If it's vinyl siding and drywall, most bullets will penetrate those with ease. Brick houses will be the best. Then there's the whole home defense issue. Ammunition will be at a premium. IMO, it may even become the new "currency" in this kind of situation.

Floyd will be screwed as he lives in a metro area. I don't know if he has friends/ family in the rural areas.
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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #114 on: January 05, 2010, 10:31:41 PM »
Damn, it's like this place has turned into Megaton City.  :-)
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« Reply #115 on: January 05, 2010, 10:51:06 PM »
Damn, it's like this place has turned into Megaton City.  :-)

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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #116 on: January 05, 2010, 11:17:08 PM »
I guess it's Galts Gulch, although eventually I'm hoping to rename it Aaronopolis. Floyd will most likely head over to my place (if you fall in the Grand Canyon you've gone too far) after dodging Injuns', Mad Max dudes on dirt bikes and the obligatory mutated and giant Gila monsters that inevitably appear across the landscape after any apocalyptic nightmare. I'll swap out his burlap sack for some Justins and canvas britches and he can be my Overseer, riding herd over my (eventual) 11 acre agave empire and toilet paper factory.

But about that 5 acres...

House is on a knoll, a grassy knoll, and has stone walls for 3 of the 4 walls on the first floor. I got's me a well and pressure tanks. Mature tress surround the house, some fruit, mostly pine. Barn with 4 horse stalls, chicken coop. Big flat area fenced off from the bigger, less flat area with house on another flat area above. It's been fenced and gated with an electric top wire for horses. I have a few neighbors and they mostly have the same or much bigger sized lots and homes. The Ruger manufacturing plant is right down the road and Chino Valley is packed cheek to jowl with gun shops, smiths, specialists, hand loaders, training facilities and guide services. Please believe me when I say that obtaining gunz n' ammo won't be an issue. Hhhmm. If bullets become currency, I may find myself living in quite a cosmopolitan setting after all.

I think the town library was originally constructed out of spare ammunition and saltpeter.
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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #117 on: January 06, 2010, 04:39:30 AM »
I sure hope it don't come to this. That said I have thought about it for quite some time. In my vision the first year or so will decide who lives or dies. I'm sure it will be horror blood and guts. Then it my settle down with neighbors helping and trading. But to live through the inital onslaught you will have to be prepared and in my case living so near NYC I'm sure it will be hit or miss. I allways thought I might have to bug out and head for the big woods. You people that live out west and far away from big citys are the lucky ones but it will trickle to you eventually.
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Re: Survival Situaton
« Reply #118 on: January 06, 2010, 10:14:57 AM »
I guess it's Galts Gulch, although eventually I'm hoping to rename it Aaronopolis. Floyd will most likely head over to my place (if you fall in the Grand Canyon you've gone too far) after dodging Injuns', Mad Max dudes on dirt bikes and the obligatory mutated and giant Gila monsters that inevitably appear across the landscape after any apocalyptic nightmare. I'll swap out his burlap sack for some Justins and canvas britches and he can be my Overseer, riding herd over my (eventual) 11 acre agave empire and toilet paper factory.

But about that 5 acres...

House is on a knoll, a grassy knoll, and has stone walls for 3 of the 4 walls on the first floor. I got's me a well and pressure tanks. Mature tress surround the house, some fruit, mostly pine. Barn with 4 horse stalls, chicken coop. Big flat area fenced off from the bigger, less flat area with house on another flat area above. It's been fenced and gated with an electric top wire for horses. I have a few neighbors and they mostly have the same or much bigger sized lots and homes. The Ruger manufacturing plant is right down the road and Chino Valley is packed cheek to jowl with gun shops, smiths, specialists, hand loaders, training facilities and guide services. Please believe me when I say that obtaining gunz n' ammo won't be an issue. Hhhmm. If bullets become currency, I may find myself living in quite a cosmopolitan setting after all.

I think the town library was originally constructed out of spare ammunition and saltpeter.

Saltpeter, was that not what the US Army gave to the troops in WW1.? Seems like I have a vague memory of my grandmother telling me that she was amazed when she went to NM. [ Demming] got married and became pregnant as my Grandpa was being fed this stuff everyday on base.

Who is that woman, the evangelist, she  has a large following and all live in cement underground bunkers.  Sara Christian something.?  I wonder if her group still has goats feeding on the roofs of the homes.?

One must throw out anything with an electric cord, forget the public water works, find someone with an artesian well.  Dig a 3 holler out back, no sewage treatment -----Lord who will collect the trash.?  No electric curlers for woman's hair, time to rip up rags and make curls as woman have done for 5,000 years.

As mentioned before by a poster the Fox Fire books are the top of the survival manuals, step by step on how to do most anything and survive following the lives of those who built America 200 years ago.

If for instance I could see into a Chrystal ball and see disaster in the next year, first thing I would do is to search the country for a Singer Treadle sewing machine.   Owning one of these machines would be a gold mine for barter. A peck of potatoes in exchange for doing a repair job that takes 5 minutes on a garmet that would take 4 hours to do by hand.

I do believe I would scour the shops for used bicycles, tires and frames.  Nails ,screws ,bolts and all manual tools, would be great to find a peddle driven wet stone to sharpen knives and saws that have gone dull.  Old tools, manual planes and 2 man saws.

It will take a very long time before we would have to relearn how to card and turn wool into cloth.

We will have to go back to the old time distrust of strangers, anyone different could carry plague and contagion.  New ideas that could transform the comunity.  Throw them out, they may have radiation poisoning and raise a family of 3 eyed kids.

Possible trading items=====

Pencils, old fashion with eraser.

Tweezers and tongs.

A few thousand yards of cheese cloth------For drying meat and vegetables.  also used for medical emergency's.

For Cats, I would advise him to take all his bugout gear and rent beg buy or steal  a big Haul.   No one is going to come looking for the truck in an all out disaster.

Drive until you run out of gas and hope there is good water to access.  The tent can be pitched inside the truck, no worry about high winds or bears.  The body of the truck will be dry and a better shelter then a cave.

Drain the oil from the engine, it may be usefull for oiling weapons or getting rid of head lice.

There are those old time pot wood burners still for sale that with a small hole in the roof of the truck for ventilation heat up the shebang at 40 below outside and 80 degrees inside safely.

Heading out with a tent and ammo is crazy, one cannot carry a years worth of freeze dried food on their back-----

OK Cats, say I have 5 acres up north to head to for safety.   I as an old lady am going to walk 150 miles to get to a place that has nothing but a roof and walls.?

Get real, we never or seldom do gets the heads up warning.  You may be at work 25 miles from home, you can have $2,000 worth of bug out equipment but what does that do for you at the place you are when the SHTF.

Everything depends on the timing, if at home and hear that a large city has been KA_BOOMED or 25 miles from home.

Me at my age I hope to heck I am directly under the BOOM-----I do not want to give a thought to my family much younger then I and the horrors they will face.

Remember the old movie where the pilot  of a plane road down the the atom bomb. 

  If you are at the dentists getting a root canal and the staff run in to say a city 80 miles away have been nuked, all electricity goes out , now what do you do,?????

       







 






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« Reply #119 on: January 06, 2010, 10:27:36 AM »
Remember the old movie where the pilot  of a plane road down the the atom bomb. 

 

Yeah...DR. Strangelove....watched it on TV Sunday. My son laughed his butt off at Slim Pickens riding the A-Bomb down.
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« Reply #120 on: January 06, 2010, 12:42:36 PM »
I guess it's Galts Gulch, although eventually I'm hoping to rename it Aaronopolis. Floyd will most likely head over to my place (if you fall in the Grand Canyon you've gone too far) after dodging Injuns', Mad Max dudes on dirt bikes and the obligatory mutated and giant Gila monsters that inevitably appear across the landscape after any apocalyptic nightmare. I'll swap out his burlap sack for some Justins and canvas britches and he can be my Overseer, riding herd over my (eventual) 11 acre agave empire and toilet paper factory.

But about that 5 acres...

House is on a knoll, a grassy knoll, and has stone walls for 3 of the 4 walls on the first floor. I got's me a well and pressure tanks. Mature tress surround the house, some fruit, mostly pine. Barn with 4 horse stalls, chicken coop. Big flat area fenced off from the bigger, less flat area with house on another flat area above. It's been fenced and gated with an electric top wire for horses. I have a few neighbors and they mostly have the same or much bigger sized lots and homes. The Ruger manufacturing plant is right down the road and Chino Valley is packed cheek to jowl with gun shops, smiths, specialists, hand loaders, training facilities and guide services. Please believe me when I say that obtaining gunz n' ammo won't be an issue. Hhhmm. If bullets become currency, I may find myself living in quite a cosmopolitan setting after all.

I think the town library was originally constructed out of spare ammunition and saltpeter.

Your setup sounds pretty decent with one exception, the well. How are you going to access the water if the power goes out?? Do you have solar or wind power that will power the well pump?? A generator will only last so long and the fuel for it even less.

While there is not a LOT of land where we live, there are deer, coons, and other wildlife in the vicinity. Not to mention that there are several creeks and Lake Texoma very near by. Water should not be a major problem. Then there's the whole fishing thing at the lake & the Red River (all within 1/2 mile)
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« Reply #121 on: January 06, 2010, 12:54:54 PM »
Your setup sounds pretty decent with one exception, the well. How are you going to access the water if the power goes out?? Do you have solar or wind power that will power the well pump?? A generator will only last so long and the fuel for it even less.

While there is not a LOT of land where we live, there are deer, coons, and other wildlife in the vicinity. Not to mention that there are several creeks and Lake Texoma very near by. Water should not be a major problem. Then there's the whole fishing thing at the lake & the Red River (all within 1/2 mile)

Windmills have been used to drive pumps for wells for hundreds of years.

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« Reply #122 on: January 06, 2010, 01:38:22 PM »
Windmills have been used to drive pumps for wells for hundreds of years.

I'm not arguing that. I know that very well. However, if one doesn't have something already in place when the SHTF, it's probably too late to get something in place.
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« Reply #123 on: January 06, 2010, 02:40:35 PM »

Must have TP.....MUST!!!

Didn't the Romans use a rag ties to a stick?

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« Reply #124 on: January 06, 2010, 02:43:06 PM »


Wouldn't olive trees grow well out there?