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Blindpig wants all the money
« on: December 23, 2011, 03:20:38 PM »
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 The lamentations of the rich

The lamentations of the rich

Recent months have seen the eruption of popular anger throughout the United States at the staggering levels of social inequality, with the Occupy Wall Street protests gathering broad popular s

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athy and support.

This development, unforeseen and unscripted by the media, has left Wall Street’s “masters of the universe” wallowing not only in money, but also in self-pity. What have they done, complain these tender-hearted architects of hedge funds, collateralized debt obligations and countless other forms of financial swindling, to merit such popular disdain? The Financial Times web site reported in an article posted Wednesday that the rich are “indignant,” resentful of the “class war” rhetoric that is being heard in public protests.

The protesters, they argue, have been misled into believing that higher taxes and the imposition of limits on the accumulation of personal wealth would have any significant impact on the national debt. The attention being given to their multi-million- and even billion-dollar annual winnings, the indignant rich maintain, is without the slightest economic justification.

According to Steven Schwarzman (CEO of private equity/corporate raider firm Blackstone Group), whose net worth is estimated by Forbes at $4.7 billion, “Just raising taxes on the wealthiest two percent, for example, will not reduce a $1.3 trillion annual deficit enough to restore fiscal balance.”

more.....

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/dec2011/pers-d22.shtml

Thought skins said hardline communists weren`t welcome anymore.

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1. Wouldn't it be nice to just occupy . . .

. . . the bank accounts of the whiny 1&ers and
use that money to pay for the college education
of every student, the healthcare of every person,
the retirement of every senior, and so on?????

Scum sucking thief.

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3. That's the plan.....n/t

You won`t like the consequences of your plan.

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6. Yep. I say tax the 1% at 99% of their wealth

and take away their ownership of production. We ALL have a MORAL right to the means of production no matter WHO says they "own" that means.

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7. Once they are separated from the means of production their wealth will dwindle rapidly.


Gonna be hard to keep up them mansions and yachts without stolen labor. 

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12. Yeah, that's too bad ain't it........

        I'm so ****ing TIRED of these parasitic scum sucking at the teat of labor. The Wobblies were right. We have a MORAL obligation to own the means of production.

Isn`t it cute when the keyboard commies get all tough acting.
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10. I see it this way,

the rich are entitled to the fruit of their labour and ingenuity. They are entitled to entrepreneurship as a facet of their liberty. They are entitled to their opinion regarding others work value. They are entitled to their property.
However, they are not entitled to interfere in the societal web of relations just to secure more wealth for themselves at the expense of an entire class, namely, the middle class. They are not entitled to promote a politics of disenfranchisement and exclusivity of election. They are not entitled to lie to the nation so as to further war aims that fit their bottom line. They are not entitled to be protected from the consequences of their failed financial foresight, especially not when the world economy is affected so negatively by their little games.

Society is a balancing act. The rich need to participate fairly in that act.

Off to the Gulag with you.

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11. Labor, what labor?


How are the hours they put in worth more than a worker's hours? Why is their 'liberty' to exploit the labor of other humans sacrosant? Did they build the factories themselves, write the software, plant the corn?

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8. Taxing the rich might or might not

restore fiscal balance ... but it would go a certain distance toward creating economic justice!

Economic justice to me would be the eradication of non productive leeches.
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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2011, 03:42:54 PM »
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Why is their 'liberty' to exploit the labor of other humans sacrosant? Did they build the factories themselves, write the software, plant the corn?

There's no talking to fools like the blindpig primitive.  If you point out that those who built the factories, wrote the software, and planted the corn were all paid for their services, he'll say it wasn't enough money.  If you point out that the person who received the money freely accepted the employment at that wage amount, he'll say they had no choice but to take the work and is a slave.  There's always an answer that centers on the individual not really having the freedom to choose and/or reject where to work and for how much.

Simple concepts involving the employer-employee relationship which are common sense to most people must be completely turned on its head in order for their world to exist.  Should something like they propose ever try and catch hold here in the USA, history clearly teaches that you have to kill them before they kill you.

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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2011, 04:39:36 PM »
Quote from: USA4ME on December 23, 2011, 03:42:54 PM
There's no talking to fools like the blindpig primitive.  If you point out that those who built the factories, wrote the software, and planted the corn were all paid for their services, he'll say it wasn't enough money.  If you point out that the person who received the money freely accepted the employment at that wage amount, he'll say they had no choice but to take the work and is a slave.  There's always an answer that centers on the individual not really having the freedom to choose and/or reject where to work and for how much.

Simple concepts involving the employer-employee relationship which are common sense to most people must be completely turned on its head in order for their world to exist.  Should something like they propose ever try and catch hold here in the USA, history clearly teaches that you have to kill them before they kill you.

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That may just happen in the next couple of years.
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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2011, 04:55:10 PM »
Every now and again, and probably more often than that, a blindpig finds a truffle. I'm sure this when it happens to this one, it will claim it has its property.  And even defend it. And his right to it.

And if a blindpig has a truffle, what does he need with a college degree anyway?
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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2011, 05:12:03 PM »
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7. Once they are separated from the means of production their wealth will dwindle rapidly.

As will production of anything useful.

Well, I do have to admit, I can't think of a quicker way to end up with a gigantic pile of dead Socialists than to let them do exactly what they want.
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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2011, 05:35:14 PM »
All I saw in that wretched post by the DUchebag was "I can count to blue!"
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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2011, 06:59:11 PM »
Give everyone a college degree and you make that degree worthless - in no large part because the requirements to attain it would have to be diminished in order to ensure all are eligible.

Pay everyone the same and you remove all incentive for productivity. If I can make the same money as the CEO by pushing a mop around the shithouse , why the hell would I bother gaining the skills and taking on the extra responsibility that the role of CEO entails ? .

Net result is a workforce comprised of people that all have degrees but wouldn't be willing or able to do anything more than push a mop around but still expect 100K / year for doing it.



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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2011, 07:04:47 PM »
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Recent months have seen the eruption of popular anger throughout the United States at the staggering levels of social inequality, with the Occupy Wall Street protests gathering broad popular///blah blah blah...
OK...where? I work in a liberal office. NO ONE talked about social inequality in the last 6 months.
Zip. Nada. None.

Half of my family are flaming libs...do they talk about social inequality? Nope.
Where is this eruption of popular anger? I don't see it.
 
and thats why this movement will fail. They presented no clear message. The country doesn't admire them.
Sorry, But the country isn't angry at the rich.

What the fools at DU are latching on to is an illusion. I don't know why they think they are winning.
What has OWS accomplished? Getting liberals to toss them out of liberal strongholds?
Are they running for office? NO.

I am simply amazed at how DU thinks this is some great victory...
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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2011, 07:49:11 PM »
Quote from: Mr Mannn on December 23, 2011, 07:04:47 PM
...I am simply amazed at how DU thinks this is some great victory...


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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2011, 02:15:46 PM »
Quote from: USA4ME on December 23, 2011, 03:42:54 PM
There's no talking to fools like the blindpig primitive.  If you point out that those who built the factories, wrote the software, and planted the corn were all paid for their services, he'll say it wasn't enough money.  If you point out that the person who received the money freely accepted the employment at that wage amount, he'll say they had no choice but to take the work and is a slave.  There's always an answer that centers on the individual not really having the freedom to choose and/or reject where to work and for how much.

Simple concepts involving the employer-employee relationship which are common sense to most people must be completely turned on its head in order for their world to exist.  Should something like they propose ever try and catch hold here in the USA, history clearly teaches that you have to kill them before they kill you.

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Wow. No doubt where you stand, none at all. As a Socialist, it's not surprising that I agree more with Blind Pig on the issues you raise than I do with you. I will say something on 2 points you made.

On this bit,

"If you point out that the person who received the money freely accepted the employment at that wage amount, he'll say they had no choice but to take the work and is a slave."

you really exaggerate. If one has the choice of accepting a minimum wage retail job with "flexible" hours or face being evicted, that's really not much of a choice, IMO. And the working conditions are truly horrible, again IMO.

As for "...history clearly teaches that you have to kill them before they kill you," there is a strong possibility that there will come a time within the next decade or so where people like you will face a choice that will make you feel somewhat empathetic to that hypothetical retail employee. You can either really compromise and make serious concessions to someone like me, or take your chances on the battlefield against not only those like me, but those like Blind Pig as well.

I do not expect to see any agreement here, in fact I expect to see this post swarmed and attacked. That's OK, it's your right to do so, and I won't whine. I also won't stay to do any battle today. For one, I'm hopelessly outnumbered, for another, it's Christmas Eve. I just hope some of you remember what I said in a few years.

Meanwhile, I'm not really trying to piss anyone off or play the troll. And I do have a lot of respect for Frank S. So we disagree. Merry Christmas, anyway.
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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2011, 02:35:19 PM »
Quote from: OhioGringo on December 24, 2011, 02:15:46 PM
You can either really compromise and make serious concessions to someone like me, or take your chances on the battlefield against not only those like me, but those like Blind Pig as well.

We know how to use the weapons we have.  Far more of us do, than do those who identify with you.  It won't be that difficult.
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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2011, 03:00:20 PM »
Quote from: OhioGringo on December 24, 2011, 02:15:46 PM
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As for "...history clearly teaches that you have to kill them before they kill you," there is a strong possibility that there will come a time within the next decade or so where people like you will face a choice that will make you feel somewhat empathetic to that hypothetical retail employee. You can either really compromise and make serious concessions to someone like me, or take your chances on the battlefield against not only those like me, but those like Blind Pig as well.

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Challenge Accepted.

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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2011, 06:21:11 PM »
Quote from: OhioGringo on December 24, 2011, 02:15:46 PM
You can either really compromise and make serious concessions to someone like me, or take your chances on the battlefield against not only those like me, but those like Blind Pig as well.

Promises, promises.
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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2011, 06:25:55 PM »
Quote from: OhioGringo on December 24, 2011, 02:15:46 PM
...As for "...history clearly teaches that you have to kill them before they kill you," there is a strong possibility that there will come a time within the next decade or so where people like you will face a choice that will make you feel somewhat empathetic to that hypothetical retail employee. You can either really compromise and make serious concessions to someone like me, or take your chances on the battlefield against not only those like me, but those like Blind Pig as well...


If history is any indicator, you and Blind Pig will be hard pressed to FIND a battlefield.  Communist cocksuckers almost invariably prefer to do their killing when their opponents are tied to a stake and blindfolded.  Worthless pussies that they are.
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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2011, 06:58:33 PM »
Quote from: DefiantSix on December 24, 2011, 06:25:55 PM
If history is any indicator, you and Blind Pig will be hard pressed to FIND a battlefield.  Communist cocksuckers almost invariably prefer to do their killing when their opponents are tied to a stake and blindfolded.  Worthless pussies that they are.

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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2011, 08:00:01 PM »
Quote from: OhioGringo on December 24, 2011, 02:15:46 PM

 You can either really compromise and make serious concessions to someone like me, or take your chances on the battlefield against not only those like me, but those like Blind Pig as well.


Hmmm. So. You are threatening to KILL those who disagree with you. Sounds like this was the plan all along. Ohio Gringo is a real nice guy saying, "Concede power to me or I will kill you all."
Seems the "non-violent part of OWS is more a guideline than a rule.

If that's the choice you're giving me, then: I too will gladly choose the battlefield. I will NOT make concessions to someone like you.
So go ahead and revolt. Just know the military is conservative. and there are 80-90 million gun owners out there.

The advantage of liberals starting a civil war is we get to fire ALL the liberal judges, all the liberal professors, and all the liberal reporters/media people after we win. Ship them all to Vermont or the North East. Wall em off, and they can build the perfect socialist state...


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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2011, 06:08:53 AM »
Quote from: Mr Mannn on December 24, 2011, 08:00:01 PM
The advantage of liberals starting a civil war is we get to fire on ALL the liberal judges, all the liberal professors, and all the liberal reporters/media people after we win.

FIFY.  Remember, headshots. :-) :fuelfire: :tongue:
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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2011, 06:18:34 AM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on December 25, 2011, 06:08:53 AM
FIFY.  Remember, headshots. :-) :fuelfire: :tongue:

Sorry, but that's far more humane than what they deserve.

There's also the problem that you'd need a DU 50 cal round to penetrate the skull.

I also was taught to shoot for centre of mass...
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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2011, 06:37:42 AM »
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Sorry, but that's far more humane than what they deserve.

There's also the problem that you'd need a DU 50 cal round to penetrate the skull.

I also was taught to shoot for centre of mass...


I, too, was also taught to go for center of mass.  Use a shotgun at point-blank range.
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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2011, 06:56:34 AM »
OhioGringo.Your words reveal the underling truth of the socialist agenda. Concede or die.
socialism/progressivism...its not a democratic system at all. At its core is a totalitarian monster. All freedoms we enjoy now will be done away with.

progressivism cannot tolerate dissent, free speech, freedom of the press, and it cannot tolerate the freedom of people to bear arms.  It is one party rule. and it needs a bloody purge to consolidate its control. Ayers wanted to kill 25 million Americans if he came to power, he said more will need to die today.
Progressives are the children of Ayers....

Believe it. Tyranny and murder are the true progressive goals.
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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2011, 04:04:52 PM »
Kicking for post-Christmas readers.

I concede nothing, as well. 
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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2011, 04:56:25 PM »
Quote from: OhioGringo on December 24, 2011, 02:15:46 PM
If one has the choice of accepting a minimum wage retail job with "flexible" hours or face being evicted, that's really not much of a choice, IMO. And the working conditions are truly horrible, again IMO.

I would venture to say that chances are that individual made a choice somewhere in life that put them in a position where now they feel as though they have no choice.  That's part of life.  But don't try and tell me they had no choice, because they did at some point.  They still do if they look hard enough, and that doesn't mean turning to crime.

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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2011, 05:20:23 PM »
Quote from: OhioGringo on December 24, 2011, 02:15:46 PM
Wow. No doubt where you stand, none at all. As a Socialist, it's not surprising that I agree more with Blind Pig on the issues you raise than I do with you. I will say something on 2 points you made.

On this bit,

"If you point out that the person who received the money freely accepted the employment at that wage amount, he'll say they had no choice but to take the work and is a slave."

you really exaggerate. If one has the choice of accepting a minimum wage retail job with "flexible" hours or face being evicted, that's really not much of a choice, IMO. And the working conditions are truly horrible, again IMO.

As for "...history clearly teaches that you have to kill them before they kill you," there is a strong possibility that there will come a time within the next decade or so where people like you will face a choice that will make you feel somewhat empathetic to that hypothetical retail employee. You can either really compromise and make serious concessions to someone like me, or take your chances on the battlefield against not only those like me, but those like Blind Pig as well.

I do not expect to see any agreement here, in fact I expect to see this post swarmed and attacked. That's OK, it's your right to do so, and I won't whine. I also won't stay to do any battle today. For one, I'm hopelessly outnumbered, for another, it's Christmas Eve. I just hope some of you remember what I said in a few years.

Meanwhile, I'm not really trying to piss anyone off or play the troll. And I do have a lot of respect for Frank S. So we disagree. Merry Christmas, anyway.
That might rank up there with the most assinine comments I've ever read.
Very true to form for a DUmpmonkey.
"that's really not much of a choice" , still a choice, anyway you look at it.
"take your chances on the battlefield against not only those like me, but those like Blind Pig as well."
You really, really, are an idiot. 
I doubt you have the guts or ability to back any of that crap up. Silly DUmpmonkey.
Post some more comments.  We need to laugh at you some more. :lmao:

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Re: Blindpig wants all the money
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2011, 05:53:46 PM »
Looks like OhioGringo is a drive by coward unwilling to defend himself.

To be Honest, OG we were a lot nicer than we should have been, considering you threatened all who will not bow to socialism.

Come on back and talk to us. This is a forum, not a battlefield.
You should understand there are people willing to shed blood in order st stay free.
We will not concede under threat of death. If you are lurking, tell your friends that.

frankly I would like to know a lot more about this civil war you are planning. If the OWS fails to achieve its goals by blocking intersections, are they the ones going to turn violent?
How much of the 80 million guns in private hands are under your control?
Who will the military side with? Sure the gays might flock to your banner, but will the rest agree to fire on civilians?

Talk to me. I will remain calm and converse back.
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