Bush Legacy: China Defends Its Use of Torture By Citing The Bush Torture Program

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kpete  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Mar-13-08 10:51 AM
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Bush Legacy: China Defends Its Use of Torture By Citing The Bush Torture Program   Updated at 2:48 PM
   
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Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 10:52 AM by kpete
Bush Legacy: China Defends Its Use of Torture By Citing The Bush Torture Program

Published 1, March 13, 2008

China hits back at US on rights

China has accused the US of double standards over human rights in response to an official US report which labelled Beijing an authoritarian regime.

Beijing calls Washington's rights record "tattered and shocking".

The Chinese report cites rising violent crime in the US as posing a serious threat to the lives, liberty and personal security of its people.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7293469.stm
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The Bush Administration has long been ridiculed by the international community as converting the United States from a leader in human rights to the very symbol of the violation of core principles of human rights. However, few were prepared for the utter hypocrisy of watching the Administration condemn China for its use of torture on the very same time that President Bush vetoed a ban on the use of torture in the waterboarding bill. Now China is using our torture program to defend its own abuses.

Chinese spokesman Qin Gang has accused the United States of “exercising double standards on human rights issues” in its condemnation of his country. There is little question that we are applying a double standard when both the President and Congress has struggled to preserve a well-defined form of torture. This hypocrisy will become more acute when our soldiers are waterboarded by other countries who will quote the President and various members of Congress in saying that it is perfectly appropriate.

http://jonathanturley.org/2008/03/13/bush-legacy-china-...

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Waterboarding is nothing compared to the things china does.

Echo In Light  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Mar-13-08 10:52 AM
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1. Nice
   
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justinsb  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Mar-13-08 10:59 AM
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2. Sadly they're right
   
The US currently cannot critisize anyone on human rights, international law, etc., and expect to be taken seriously. One of the first things the next President will have to do is clearly demonstrate that they are serious about changing direction.

Just rhetorically saying they are different won't be good enough, there will have to be clear, concrete action.

The U.S. also has a much higher incarceration rate (more people in prison) than China - this is not just per capita. The US actually has a larger number of people in prison even though China has 4 times the US population.
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Land Shark  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Mar-13-08 08:12 PM
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20. And there are more kinds of torture, to boot. It's a trend all over.... nt
   
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rocknation  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Mar-13-08 11:00 AM
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3. Hands up who DIDN'T see this coming...
   
:hi:

Oh, well, at least we have common enemy again!

:headbang:
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vpilot  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Mar-13-08 11:28 AM
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6. He, his minions in Congress and Senate
   
and his brain dead followers will NOT see it. They create their own reality and no matter what China says they will either twist it to suit themselves or ignore it as propaganda. Its only black and white with the Bu$gCo crowd, he decides which one he will use on whatever day.
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ConcernedCanuk  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Mar-13-08 11:58 AM
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7. USAmericans just got "unsafer" abroad courtesy of GWB and his supporters.
   
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People held in detention without charges or representation

People tortured under the guise of "national security"

People monitored, again under the guise of national security

And no, I'm not talking about Hitler's Germany

I'm talking about the good ole' United States of America

Nice neighbor I got.
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ProgressiveFool  Donating Member  (648 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Mar-13-08 06:03 PM
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16. /facepalm
   
I hesitate to use the word "emboldening" since the Bushies love it so much, but the penchant for torture, indefinite imprisonment, rendering, war and any other form of handy war crime on the part of the Bush administration is really emboldening those regimes out there who we used to be able to chastise for human rights violations.
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Uh, weren't the Chinese using torture as recently as 4000 B.C. or something?

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justinsb  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Mar-13-08 10:59 AM
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2. Sadly they're right
   
The US currently cannot critisize anyone on human rights, international law, etc., and expect to be taken seriously. One of the first things the next President will have to do is clearly demonstrate that they are serious about changing direction.

Just rhetorically saying they are different won't be good enough, there will have to be clear, concrete action.

The U.S. also has a much higher incarceration rate (more people in prison) than China - this is not just per capita. The US actually has a larger number of people in prison even though China has 4 times the US population.

This (bolded) stupidity gets rehashed in almost every single discusion about China no matter what the topic. (and North Korea, and Cuba, and etc etc) I swear it's in the dumbsh*t Liberal playbook. Dear justinsb, lurking DUers and/or anyone else who would perpetuate this crud. Read carefully and with your thinking caps on so I don't have to repeat myself... China IS a prison... you farking stupid farks.