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I think it's a pretty good ranking. The only problem is Miami should be listed twice, robbery in the desert and all, but they listed the Suckeyes near the bottom. What do you think?
1. 2001 Miami Hurricanes (12-0, 7-0 Big East)
The season: The Hurricanes finished 12-0 and beat their opponents by an average of 33.2 points, including a 37-14 rout of Nebraska in the Rose Bowl. Miami opened the season by winning at Penn State 33-7. The Canes beat No. 14 Florida State 49-27, ending the Seminoles' 54-game winning streak in Tallahassee. They blasted No. 14 Syracuse 59-0 and No. 12 Washington 65-7, the most lopsided blowouts of ranked opponents in consecutive games in modern NCAA history.
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The stars: The Miami roster was littered with future NFL players such as Portis, Johnson, tight end Jeremy Shockey, left tackle Bryant McKinnie, safety Ed Reed and cornerback Phillip Buchanon. McKinnie won the Outland Trophy as college football's best interior lineman, and Reed was named a consensus All-American. Five Hurricanes were selected in the first round of the 2002 NFL draft. Portis, who ran for 1,200 yards and 10 touchdowns, was a second-round pick. Dorsey completed 57.9 percent of his passes for 2,652 yards with 23 touchdowns and nine interceptions.
Why they're No. 1: Perhaps no team in college football history had as much talent as the 2001 Hurricanes. Ten players who started for Miami during the 2001 season were first-round selections in the next three NFL drafts. In fact, Miami had 16 NFL first-rounders from 2002 to 2005.
2. 2004 USC Trojans (13-0, 8-0 Pac-10)
The season: The Trojans opened the season against eventual ACC champion Virginia Tech in the BCA Classic at FedEx Field in Landover, Md. Trojans tailback Reggie Bush had a sensational debut, catching five passes for 127 yards with three touchdowns in a 24-13 victory. After shutting out Colorado State 49-0 (the Rams' worst loss in eight years) and winning 42-10 at BYU, the Trojans got a big scare at Stanford on Sept. 25. USC trailed 28-17 at the half, but its defense shut out the Cardinal in the second half of a 31-28 win. After routing No. 15 Arizona State 45-7, Washington 38-0 and Washington State 42-12, the Trojans traveled to Oregon State on Nov. 6. Playing in heavy fog at Reser Stadium, USC trailed 13-0 in the first half. But Bush returned a punt 65 yards for a touchdown in the fourth quarter to spark USC's 28-20 victory. USC then routed Arizona 49-9 and Notre Dame 41-10 and beat UCLA 29-24 to finish the regular season with a 12-0 record.
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The stars: Leinart won the 2004 Heisman Trophy after throwing for 2,990 yards and 28 touchdowns and only six interceptions during the regular season. Bush was the country's most versatile player, scoring 15 touchdowns on runs, catches, passes and kick returns. The Trojans had six first-team All-Americans: Leinart, Bush, defensive end Shaun Cody, linebacker Matt Grootegoed, defensive tackle Mike Patterson and linebacker Lofa Tatupu.
Why they're No. 2: After sharing the 2003 national championship with LSU, USC's motto during the 2004 season was "Leave No Doubt." The Trojans certainly did that during their championship season, becoming only the second team to be ranked No. 1 in the AP poll from start to finish. USC extended its winning streak to 22 games and had won 33 of 34 games after blowing out the Sooners in the Orange Bowl.
3. 1999 Florida State Seminoles (12-0, 8-0 ACC)
The season: The Seminoles were nearly eliminated from the national championship race in their second game. Led by quarterback Joe Hamilton, Georgia Tech nearly knocked off No. 1 FSU before losing 41-35. Hamilton threw a 22-yard touchdown to Kelly Campbell to pull the Yellow Jackets to within six points, but the Seminoles recovered the ensuing onside kick. After winning their next three games against No. 20 NC State, North Carolina and Duke by at least 28 points, the Seminoles hosted No. 19 Miami at Doak Campbell Stadium. The score was tied 21-21 at the half, but FSU's defense threw a shutout in the second half of a 31-21 victory, its fifth win in a row over the Hurricanes. FSU rolled Virginia 35-10 and Maryland 49-10 before facing Florida on the road in the regular-season finale. The Gators led 16-13 in the third quarter before quarterback Chris Weinke led the Seminoles to a tying field goal and two touchdowns in the fourth quarter of a 30-23 victory.
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The stars: It wasn't FSU's most talented team, but it was the only squad to finish unbeaten. Weinke, a 27-year-old junior who went to FSU after a minor league baseball career, completed 61.5 percent of his passes for 3,103 yards with 25 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. He won the Heisman Trophy the next season. Warrick might have won the 1999 Heisman Trophy, but he was suspended three games for shoplifting. Warrick still caught 71 passes for 934 yards with eight touchdowns and scored on three runs and one punt return. The FSU defense, led by All-America nose tackle Corey Simon, was solid but unspectacular. Kicker Sebastian Janikowski was a two-time Lou Groza Award winner and led the ACC in scoring with 10.5 points per game in 1999
Why they're No. 3: The Seminoles became the first team to start and finish a season ranked No. 1 in the AP poll. It was a fitting end to the 1990s for FSU. The Noles had a 109-13-1 record during the 10-year stretch, which is the most wins by a team in any decade in college football history.
4. 2005 Texas Longhorns (13-0, 8-0 Big 12)
The season: After beating Michigan 38-37 in the 2005 Rose Bowl, the Longhorns started the following season ranked No. 2 in the coaches' poll behind defending AP national champion USC. Texas opened the season with a 60-3 rout of Louisiana-Lafayette, then traveled to Ohio State for the biggest regular-season game of the year. The Longhorns trailed the No. 4 Buckeyes 22-16 in the fourth quarter, but Vince Young threw a touchdown to Limas Sweed to make it 23-22. Then Texas' Aaron Harris sacked Troy Smith for a safety to secure a 25-22 victory. The Ohio State win was Texas' closest call of the season. Texas routed No. 10 Texas Tech 52-17, then blasted Colorado 70-3, the most lopsided score in the history of the Big 12 championship game.
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The stars: Young finished second in Heisman Trophy voting after running for 1,050 yards and passing for 3,036. He became the first player in NCAA Division I-A to run for 1,000 yards and throw for 2,500 in the same season. Safety Michael Huff won the Jim Thorpe Award as the country's top defensive back. Huff, Young, offensive tackle Jonathan Scott and defensive tackle Rodrique Wright were named All-Americans. Texas had six players selected in the 2006 NFL draft and seven more in 2007.
Why they're No. 4: The Longhorns had the most prolific offense of the BCS era, setting an NCAA Division I-A record with 652 points scored during the 2005 season. Texas scored at least 40 points in all but one of its 13 games and 50 or more points seven times.
5. 2000 Oklahoma Sooners (13-0, 8-0 Big 12)
The season: Coach Bob Stoops was just beginning to rebuild the Sooners -- or so everyone else believed. After a 7-5 record in 1999, the Sooners opened the season ranked No. 19 in the preseason coaches' poll. They scored 176 points in their first four games, which were easy victories over UTEP, Arkansas State, Rice and Kansas. What the Sooners did next was truly remarkable. In a three-game stretch dubbed "Red October," Oklahoma blasted No. 11 Texas 63-14, the largest margin of victory in the century-old series. Then the Sooners upset No. 2 Kansas State 41-31 and No. 1 Nebraska 31-14, becoming the first team to upset No. 1 and No. 2 in consecutive games. After knocking off the Cornhuskers, Oklahoma was ranked No. 1 in the country for the first time since 1987. The Sooners won their next four games before beating No. 8 Kansas State 27-24 in the Big 12 championship game.
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The stars: Quarterback Josh Heupel cooled off considerably down the stretch but still finished the season with 3,606 passing yards with 20 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. Griffin ran for 823 yards and 17 touchdowns, and Antwone Savage caught 50 passes for 621 yards and three scores. Oklahoma's underrated defense, led by All-Americans linebacker Rocky Calmus and free safety J.T. Thatcher, ended up being the difference.
Why they're No. 5: Few teams have been more impressive while climbing their way up the rankings. The Sooners beat six ranked teams during their championship season and during a three-game stretch outscored No. 11 Texas, No. 2 Kansas State and No. 1 Nebraska by a 135-59 margin. The Sooners started the season blowing opponents off the field with their high-powered offense and finished it by playing stingy defense.
6. 1998 Tennessee Volunteers (13-0, 8-0 SEC)
The season: After losing quarterback Peyton Manning, the Volunteers weren't even expected to win the SEC East in 1998. Tennessee had lost five games in a row to rival Florida and didn't have much to be excited about after losing to Nebraska 42-17 in the Orange Bowl to end the previous season. But the Volunteers quickly learned how to win close games. In the opener against Syracuse at the Carrier Dome, Tennessee's Jeff Hall kicked a 27-yard field goal as time expired in a 34-33 win. In the following game against the Gators, the Vols won 20-17 in overtime when Hall made a 41-yard field goal and Florida's Collins Cooper missed a 32-yarder. The Vols won at Auburn 17-9, but only after defensive end Shaun Ellis returned an intercepted shovel pass 90 yards for a touchdown and its defense denied the Tigers on four straight plays at the UT 1. The Volunteers' most impressive victory might have been a 22-3 win at No. 7 Georgia, which came a week after they lost star running back Jamal Lewis to a season-ending knee injury.
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The stars: Martin had the unenviable job of replacing Manning as the Vols' starting quarterback, but he was brilliant. He completed 57.5 percent of his passes for 2,442 yards with 21 touchdowns and eight interceptions. After Lewis was lost to the knee injury, Henry ran for 998 yards and seven touchdowns. Price caught 65 passes for 1,119 yards and 11 touchdowns. Linebacker Al Wilson and Ellis led a stingy defense.
Why they're No. 6: Though they lost Manning and 10 other players who were drafted or signed with NFL teams, the Volunteers simply found ways to win games. They needed a controversial pass-interference call to beat Syracuse in the opener, then received the miracle of all miracles against Arkansas. But the Volunteers beat five ranked teams away from Neyland Stadium and finished unbeaten.
7. 2003 LSU Tigers (13-1, 7-1 SEC)
The season: After finishing 8-5 the previous season, the Tigers started the 2003 campaign ranked No. 15 in the coaches' poll. They quickly moved up in the polls after winning at Arizona 59-13 and beating No. 7 Georgia 17-10 in Baton Rouge. LSU quarterback Matt Mauck threw a 34-yard touchdown to Skyler Green to put the Tigers ahead 17-10 with 1:22 remaining. On Oct. 11, the No. 6 Tigers were upset 19-7 by Florida, a week after the Gators lost 20-17 to Ole Miss. The LSU offense, which had been ranked No. 1 in the SEC, punted eight times in 12 possessions and had two interceptions, a fumble and a failed fourth-down play. The Tigers rallied to win their last eight games, including a 34-13 victory over Georgia in the SEC championship game.
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The stars: The Tigers weren't that talented offensively, although receivers Michael Clayton and Devery Henderson were big-play weapons. Running back Joseph Addai became a much better NFL player, and Vincent all but vanished after a sensational freshman season. The Tigers' defensive front was as good as any in recent college football history, led by Spears and Marquise Hill and All-American tackle Chad Lavalais.
Why they're No. 7: USC fans will argue the Trojans were the best team in college football during the 2003 season, and they might be right. LSU played only four ranked teams the entire season (beating Georgia twice) and played in only one ranked opponent's home stadium.
8. 2006 Florida Gators (13-1, 7-1 SEC)
The season: The Gators went 9-3 in coach Urban Meyer's first season in 2005 and weren't considered a national-championship contender, primarily because of their difficult schedule. The Gators opened the season with easy victories over Southern Mississippi and Central Florida, then played No. 13 Tennessee on the road. Florida trailed 17-7 early in the third quarter but won the game 21-20 on Chris Leak's 21-yard touchdown pass to Dallas Baker. After beating Kentucky 26-7 and Alabama 28-13, the Gators hosted No. 10 LSU at the Swamp. The Gators forced JaMarcus Russell into several mistakes. They then pulled away in the fourth quarter on Leak's 21-yard scoring pass to Baker and Reggie Nelson's 70-yard interception return for a touchdown in a 23-10 victory. Florida's only loss was 27-17 at Auburn. The Gators also beat No. 25 Georgia 21-14 and No. 8 Arkansas 38-28 in the SEC championship game.
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The stars: Leak finally won over the Gator Nation in his final season at quarterback, completing 63.6 percent of his passes for 2,942 yards with 23 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. Tim Tebow was sensational as a freshman, leading the Gators with eight rushing touchdowns and three touchdown passes in limited action. Baker caught 60 passes for 920 yards with 10 touchdowns. The defense was led by All-America safety Nelson, who had six interceptions and numerous other big plays, and pass-rushing ends Moss and Derrick Harvey, who combined for 18½ sacks.
Why they're No. 8: The Gators avoided several close calls while playing perhaps the country's most difficult schedule. After Florida won five games by a touchdown or less, not many people were convinced the Gators deserved to play Ohio State for the national championship. But the Gators answered their critics by blowing the Buckeyes off the field.
9. 2002 Ohio State Buckeyes (14-0, 8-0 Big Ten)
The season: The Buckeyes' unbeaten campaign was defined by nail-biters and lots of anxiety. Ohio State won its first three games convincingly, including a 25-7 win over No. 10 Washington State. On Sept. 21, Ohio State played Cincinnati at Paul Brown Stadium, its first road game in its home state since 1916. The Buckeyes trailed 19-14 in the third quarter until quarterback Craig Krenzel scrambled for a touchdown. The Bearcats still had a chance to win, but receivers dropped two potential touchdowns in the final minute of Ohio State's 23-19 victory. The Buckeyes were ranked No. 4 when they won at Wisconsin 19-14, beat No. 18 Penn State 13-7 and No. 23 Minnesota 34-3. Ohio State narrowly beat Purdue 10-6 on the road and needed overtime to beat Illinois, 23-16. The Buckeyes beat rival Michigan 14-9 in the regular-season finale to cap their first 12-0 regular season.
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The stars: Clarett became the first freshman since Georgia's Herschel Walker in 1980 to lead a national championship team in rushing. Clarett finished the 2002 season with 1,237 yards and 16 touchdowns. Strong safety Mike Doss was a two-time All-American and Gamble was a two-way player at cornerback and receiver. Linebacker Matt Wilhelm finished the season with a career-high 122 tackles.
Why they're No. 9: It's hard to believe a team that nearly lost to 4-5 Purdue and needed overtime to win at Illinois could beat one of the greatest teams in college football history. But that's exactly what Ohio State did when it prevented Miami from winning its second consecutive national title. It wasn't Ohio State's greatest team and it didn't overwhelm many opponents, but the Buckeyes finished unbeaten and pulled off one of the biggest upsets in college football history.
10. 2007 LSU Tigers (12-2, 6-2 SEC)
The season: LSU's season was filled with heartbreaking losses and dramatic victories. The Tigers rolled No. 9 Virginia Tech for its first signature win, then beat No. 12 South Carolina 28-16 en route to starting 5-0. The first big moment came against No. 9 Florida when the Tigers converted five fourth-down plays to come back from a 24-14 deficit to start the fourth quarter. Jacob Hester scored on a 2-yard touchdown run with 1:06 left to seal the 28-24 victory. The Tigers lost at No. 17 Kentucky 43-37 in triple overtime in the next game, then needed more late-game heroics to beat No. 17 Auburn 30-24 and No. 17 Alabama 41-34. In the Alabama game, which marked LSU's first contest against former coach Nick Saban, the Tigers scored two touchdowns in the final three minutes to win. After blowing out Louisiana Tech and Ole Miss, LSU lost in triple overtime a second time, 50-48 to Arkansas. The Tigers rebounded to beat No. 14 Tennessee 21-14 in the SEC title game and finished No. 2 in the final BCS standings.
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The stars: All-America defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey became the most decorated player in LSU history, winning the Nagurski Award, Lombardi Award, Lott Trophy and Outland Trophy. Safety Craig Steltz was named All-American and was a finalist for the Thorpe Award. Flynn threw for 2,407 yards with 21 touchdowns and 11 interceptions, and Hester ran for 1,103 yards and 12 touchdowns.
Why they're No. 10: The Tigers lost two of their last eight games and avoided several other close calls. Dorsey wasn't healthy for much of the season, and Flynn missed the SEC title game. Still, LSU beat eight ranked teams and dismantled No. 1 Ohio State for the national championship.
More at http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=3406050
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Robbed? :lmao:
I actually lived in Miami for many years. That University is probably one of the most hated, even in that area. It's like the Univerity of Spoiled Children for the east coast. :-)
And robbed? I think the thing that hurt them the most ties into the above: total lack of humility. The Buckeyes may have lost the last two years, but they never went into it with an ego. For that at least, they deserve to be respected over a team like Miami. OSU NEVER discounts an opponent, at least not since coach started. And, yes, the man is one of the more humble, decent people I've ever met.
I think it's a pretty good ranking. The only problem is Miami should be listed twice, robbery in the desert and all, but they listed the Suckeyes near the bottom. What do you think?
1. 2001 Miami Hurricanes (12-0, 7-0 Big East)
The season: The Hurricanes finished 12-0 and beat their opponents by an average of 33.2 points, including a 37-14 rout of Nebraska in the Rose Bowl. Miami opened the season by winning at Penn State 33-7. The Canes beat No. 14 Florida State 49-27, ending the Seminoles' 54-game winning streak in Tallahassee. They blasted No. 14 Syracuse 59-0 and No. 12 Washington 65-7, the most lopsided blowouts of ranked opponents in consecutive games in modern NCAA history.
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The stars: The Miami roster was littered with future NFL players such as Portis, Johnson, tight end Jeremy Shockey, left tackle Bryant McKinnie, safety Ed Reed and cornerback Phillip Buchanon. McKinnie won the Outland Trophy as college football's best interior lineman, and Reed was named a consensus All-American. Five Hurricanes were selected in the first round of the 2002 NFL draft. Portis, who ran for 1,200 yards and 10 touchdowns, was a second-round pick. Dorsey completed 57.9 percent of his passes for 2,652 yards with 23 touchdowns and nine interceptions.
Why they're No. 1: Perhaps no team in college football history had as much talent as the 2001 Hurricanes. Ten players who started for Miami during the 2001 season were first-round selections in the next three NFL drafts. In fact, Miami had 16 NFL first-rounders from 2002 to 2005.
2. 2004 USC Trojans (13-0, 8-0 Pac-10)
The season: The Trojans opened the season against eventual ACC champion Virginia Tech in the BCA Classic at FedEx Field in Landover, Md. Trojans tailback Reggie Bush had a sensational debut, catching five passes for 127 yards with three touchdowns in a 24-13 victory. After shutting out Colorado State 49-0 (the Rams' worst loss in eight years) and winning 42-10 at BYU, the Trojans got a big scare at Stanford on Sept. 25. USC trailed 28-17 at the half, but its defense shut out the Cardinal in the second half of a 31-28 win. After routing No. 15 Arizona State 45-7, Washington 38-0 and Washington State 42-12, the Trojans traveled to Oregon State on Nov. 6. Playing in heavy fog at Reser Stadium, USC trailed 13-0 in the first half. But Bush returned a punt 65 yards for a touchdown in the fourth quarter to spark USC's 28-20 victory. USC then routed Arizona 49-9 and Notre Dame 41-10 and beat UCLA 29-24 to finish the regular season with a 12-0 record.
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The stars: Leinart won the 2004 Heisman Trophy after throwing for 2,990 yards and 28 touchdowns and only six interceptions during the regular season. Bush was the country's most versatile player, scoring 15 touchdowns on runs, catches, passes and kick returns. The Trojans had six first-team All-Americans: Leinart, Bush, defensive end Shaun Cody, linebacker Matt Grootegoed, defensive tackle Mike Patterson and linebacker Lofa Tatupu.
Why they're No. 2: After sharing the 2003 national championship with LSU, USC's motto during the 2004 season was "Leave No Doubt." The Trojans certainly did that during their championship season, becoming only the second team to be ranked No. 1 in the AP poll from start to finish. USC extended its winning streak to 22 games and had won 33 of 34 games after blowing out the Sooners in the Orange Bowl.
3. 1999 Florida State Seminoles (12-0, 8-0 ACC)
The season: The Seminoles were nearly eliminated from the national championship race in their second game. Led by quarterback Joe Hamilton, Georgia Tech nearly knocked off No. 1 FSU before losing 41-35. Hamilton threw a 22-yard touchdown to Kelly Campbell to pull the Yellow Jackets to within six points, but the Seminoles recovered the ensuing onside kick. After winning their next three games against No. 20 NC State, North Carolina and Duke by at least 28 points, the Seminoles hosted No. 19 Miami at Doak Campbell Stadium. The score was tied 21-21 at the half, but FSU's defense threw a shutout in the second half of a 31-21 victory, its fifth win in a row over the Hurricanes. FSU rolled Virginia 35-10 and Maryland 49-10 before facing Florida on the road in the regular-season finale. The Gators led 16-13 in the third quarter before quarterback Chris Weinke led the Seminoles to a tying field goal and two touchdowns in the fourth quarter of a 30-23 victory.
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The stars: It wasn't FSU's most talented team, but it was the only squad to finish unbeaten. Weinke, a 27-year-old junior who went to FSU after a minor league baseball career, completed 61.5 percent of his passes for 3,103 yards with 25 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. He won the Heisman Trophy the next season. Warrick might have won the 1999 Heisman Trophy, but he was suspended three games for shoplifting. Warrick still caught 71 passes for 934 yards with eight touchdowns and scored on three runs and one punt return. The FSU defense, led by All-America nose tackle Corey Simon, was solid but unspectacular. Kicker Sebastian Janikowski was a two-time Lou Groza Award winner and led the ACC in scoring with 10.5 points per game in 1999
Why they're No. 3: The Seminoles became the first team to start and finish a season ranked No. 1 in the AP poll. It was a fitting end to the 1990s for FSU. The Noles had a 109-13-1 record during the 10-year stretch, which is the most wins by a team in any decade in college football history.
4. 2005 Texas Longhorns (13-0, 8-0 Big 12)
The season: After beating Michigan 38-37 in the 2005 Rose Bowl, the Longhorns started the following season ranked No. 2 in the coaches' poll behind defending AP national champion USC. Texas opened the season with a 60-3 rout of Louisiana-Lafayette, then traveled to Ohio State for the biggest regular-season game of the year. The Longhorns trailed the No. 4 Buckeyes 22-16 in the fourth quarter, but Vince Young threw a touchdown to Limas Sweed to make it 23-22. Then Texas' Aaron Harris sacked Troy Smith for a safety to secure a 25-22 victory. The Ohio State win was Texas' closest call of the season. Texas routed No. 10 Texas Tech 52-17, then blasted Colorado 70-3, the most lopsided score in the history of the Big 12 championship game.
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The stars: Young finished second in Heisman Trophy voting after running for 1,050 yards and passing for 3,036. He became the first player in NCAA Division I-A to run for 1,000 yards and throw for 2,500 in the same season. Safety Michael Huff won the Jim Thorpe Award as the country's top defensive back. Huff, Young, offensive tackle Jonathan Scott and defensive tackle Rodrique Wright were named All-Americans. Texas had six players selected in the 2006 NFL draft and seven more in 2007.
Why they're No. 4: The Longhorns had the most prolific offense of the BCS era, setting an NCAA Division I-A record with 652 points scored during the 2005 season. Texas scored at least 40 points in all but one of its 13 games and 50 or more points seven times.
5. 2000 Oklahoma Sooners (13-0, 8-0 Big 12)
The season: Coach Bob Stoops was just beginning to rebuild the Sooners -- or so everyone else believed. After a 7-5 record in 1999, the Sooners opened the season ranked No. 19 in the preseason coaches' poll. They scored 176 points in their first four games, which were easy victories over UTEP, Arkansas State, Rice and Kansas. What the Sooners did next was truly remarkable. In a three-game stretch dubbed "Red October," Oklahoma blasted No. 11 Texas 63-14, the largest margin of victory in the century-old series. Then the Sooners upset No. 2 Kansas State 41-31 and No. 1 Nebraska 31-14, becoming the first team to upset No. 1 and No. 2 in consecutive games. After knocking off the Cornhuskers, Oklahoma was ranked No. 1 in the country for the first time since 1987. The Sooners won their next four games before beating No. 8 Kansas State 27-24 in the Big 12 championship game.
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The stars: Quarterback Josh Heupel cooled off considerably down the stretch but still finished the season with 3,606 passing yards with 20 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. Griffin ran for 823 yards and 17 touchdowns, and Antwone Savage caught 50 passes for 621 yards and three scores. Oklahoma's underrated defense, led by All-Americans linebacker Rocky Calmus and free safety J.T. Thatcher, ended up being the difference.
Why they're No. 5: Few teams have been more impressive while climbing their way up the rankings. The Sooners beat six ranked teams during their championship season and during a three-game stretch outscored No. 11 Texas, No. 2 Kansas State and No. 1 Nebraska by a 135-59 margin. The Sooners started the season blowing opponents off the field with their high-powered offense and finished it by playing stingy defense.
6. 1998 Tennessee Volunteers (13-0, 8-0 SEC)
The season: After losing quarterback Peyton Manning, the Volunteers weren't even expected to win the SEC East in 1998. Tennessee had lost five games in a row to rival Florida and didn't have much to be excited about after losing to Nebraska 42-17 in the Orange Bowl to end the previous season. But the Volunteers quickly learned how to win close games. In the opener against Syracuse at the Carrier Dome, Tennessee's Jeff Hall kicked a 27-yard field goal as time expired in a 34-33 win. In the following game against the Gators, the Vols won 20-17 in overtime when Hall made a 41-yard field goal and Florida's Collins Cooper missed a 32-yarder. The Vols won at Auburn 17-9, but only after defensive end Shaun Ellis returned an intercepted shovel pass 90 yards for a touchdown and its defense denied the Tigers on four straight plays at the UT 1. The Volunteers' most impressive victory might have been a 22-3 win at No. 7 Georgia, which came a week after they lost star running back Jamal Lewis to a season-ending knee injury.
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The stars: Martin had the unenviable job of replacing Manning as the Vols' starting quarterback, but he was brilliant. He completed 57.5 percent of his passes for 2,442 yards with 21 touchdowns and eight interceptions. After Lewis was lost to the knee injury, Henry ran for 998 yards and seven touchdowns. Price caught 65 passes for 1,119 yards and 11 touchdowns. Linebacker Al Wilson and Ellis led a stingy defense.
Why they're No. 6: Though they lost Manning and 10 other players who were drafted or signed with NFL teams, the Volunteers simply found ways to win games. They needed a controversial pass-interference call to beat Syracuse in the opener, then received the miracle of all miracles against Arkansas. But the Volunteers beat five ranked teams away from Neyland Stadium and finished unbeaten.
7. 2003 LSU Tigers (13-1, 7-1 SEC)
The season: After finishing 8-5 the previous season, the Tigers started the 2003 campaign ranked No. 15 in the coaches' poll. They quickly moved up in the polls after winning at Arizona 59-13 and beating No. 7 Georgia 17-10 in Baton Rouge. LSU quarterback Matt Mauck threw a 34-yard touchdown to Skyler Green to put the Tigers ahead 17-10 with 1:22 remaining. On Oct. 11, the No. 6 Tigers were upset 19-7 by Florida, a week after the Gators lost 20-17 to Ole Miss. The LSU offense, which had been ranked No. 1 in the SEC, punted eight times in 12 possessions and had two interceptions, a fumble and a failed fourth-down play. The Tigers rallied to win their last eight games, including a 34-13 victory over Georgia in the SEC championship game.
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The stars: The Tigers weren't that talented offensively, although receivers Michael Clayton and Devery Henderson were big-play weapons. Running back Joseph Addai became a much better NFL player, and Vincent all but vanished after a sensational freshman season. The Tigers' defensive front was as good as any in recent college football history, led by Spears and Marquise Hill and All-American tackle Chad Lavalais.
Why they're No. 7: USC fans will argue the Trojans were the best team in college football during the 2003 season, and they might be right. LSU played only four ranked teams the entire season (beating Georgia twice) and played in only one ranked opponent's home stadium.
8. 2006 Florida Gators (13-1, 7-1 SEC)
The season: The Gators went 9-3 in coach Urban Meyer's first season in 2005 and weren't considered a national-championship contender, primarily because of their difficult schedule. The Gators opened the season with easy victories over Southern Mississippi and Central Florida, then played No. 13 Tennessee on the road. Florida trailed 17-7 early in the third quarter but won the game 21-20 on Chris Leak's 21-yard touchdown pass to Dallas Baker. After beating Kentucky 26-7 and Alabama 28-13, the Gators hosted No. 10 LSU at the Swamp. The Gators forced JaMarcus Russell into several mistakes. They then pulled away in the fourth quarter on Leak's 21-yard scoring pass to Baker and Reggie Nelson's 70-yard interception return for a touchdown in a 23-10 victory. Florida's only loss was 27-17 at Auburn. The Gators also beat No. 25 Georgia 21-14 and No. 8 Arkansas 38-28 in the SEC championship game.
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The stars: Leak finally won over the Gator Nation in his final season at quarterback, completing 63.6 percent of his passes for 2,942 yards with 23 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. Tim Tebow was sensational as a freshman, leading the Gators with eight rushing touchdowns and three touchdown passes in limited action. Baker caught 60 passes for 920 yards with 10 touchdowns. The defense was led by All-America safety Nelson, who had six interceptions and numerous other big plays, and pass-rushing ends Moss and Derrick Harvey, who combined for 18½ sacks.
Why they're No. 8: The Gators avoided several close calls while playing perhaps the country's most difficult schedule. After Florida won five games by a touchdown or less, not many people were convinced the Gators deserved to play Ohio State for the national championship. But the Gators answered their critics by blowing the Buckeyes off the field.
9. 2002 Ohio State Buckeyes (14-0, 8-0 Big Ten)
The season: The Buckeyes' unbeaten campaign was defined by nail-biters and lots of anxiety. Ohio State won its first three games convincingly, including a 25-7 win over No. 10 Washington State. On Sept. 21, Ohio State played Cincinnati at Paul Brown Stadium, its first road game in its home state since 1916. The Buckeyes trailed 19-14 in the third quarter until quarterback Craig Krenzel scrambled for a touchdown. The Bearcats still had a chance to win, but receivers dropped two potential touchdowns in the final minute of Ohio State's 23-19 victory. The Buckeyes were ranked No. 4 when they won at Wisconsin 19-14, beat No. 18 Penn State 13-7 and No. 23 Minnesota 34-3. Ohio State narrowly beat Purdue 10-6 on the road and needed overtime to beat Illinois, 23-16. The Buckeyes beat rival Michigan 14-9 in the regular-season finale to cap their first 12-0 regular season.
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The stars: Clarett became the first freshman since Georgia's Herschel Walker in 1980 to lead a national championship team in rushing. Clarett finished the 2002 season with 1,237 yards and 16 touchdowns. Strong safety Mike Doss was a two-time All-American and Gamble was a two-way player at cornerback and receiver. Linebacker Matt Wilhelm finished the season with a career-high 122 tackles.
Why they're No. 9: It's hard to believe a team that nearly lost to 4-5 Purdue and needed overtime to win at Illinois could beat one of the greatest teams in college football history. But that's exactly what Ohio State did when it prevented Miami from winning its second consecutive national title. It wasn't Ohio State's greatest team and it didn't overwhelm many opponents, but the Buckeyes finished unbeaten and pulled off one of the biggest upsets in college football history.
10. 2007 LSU Tigers (12-2, 6-2 SEC)
The season: LSU's season was filled with heartbreaking losses and dramatic victories. The Tigers rolled No. 9 Virginia Tech for its first signature win, then beat No. 12 South Carolina 28-16 en route to starting 5-0. The first big moment came against No. 9 Florida when the Tigers converted five fourth-down plays to come back from a 24-14 deficit to start the fourth quarter. Jacob Hester scored on a 2-yard touchdown run with 1:06 left to seal the 28-24 victory. The Tigers lost at No. 17 Kentucky 43-37 in triple overtime in the next game, then needed more late-game heroics to beat No. 17 Auburn 30-24 and No. 17 Alabama 41-34. In the Alabama game, which marked LSU's first contest against former coach Nick Saban, the Tigers scored two touchdowns in the final three minutes to win. After blowing out Louisiana Tech and Ole Miss, LSU lost in triple overtime a second time, 50-48 to Arkansas. The Tigers rebounded to beat No. 14 Tennessee 21-14 in the SEC title game and finished No. 2 in the final BCS standings.
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The stars: All-America defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey became the most decorated player in LSU history, winning the Nagurski Award, Lombardi Award, Lott Trophy and Outland Trophy. Safety Craig Steltz was named All-American and was a finalist for the Thorpe Award. Flynn threw for 2,407 yards with 21 touchdowns and 11 interceptions, and Hester ran for 1,103 yards and 12 touchdowns.
Why they're No. 10: The Tigers lost two of their last eight games and avoided several other close calls. Dorsey wasn't healthy for much of the season, and Flynn missed the SEC title game. Still, LSU beat eight ranked teams and dismantled No. 1 Ohio State for the national championship.
More at http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=3406050
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Brought to you by "SEC-Haters United". :whatever:
...and some of those don't even fall into the same category as the best of all time. ...and USC being #2? Because they played the weaker of the remaining two undefeateds. They SHOULD have played Auburn.
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Robbed? :lmao:
I actually lived in Miami for many years. That University is probably one of the most hated, even in that area. It's like the Univerity of Spoiled Children for the east coast. :-)
And robbed? I think the thing that hurt them the most ties into the above: total lack of humility. The Buckeyes may have lost the last two years, but they never went into it with an ego. For that at least, they deserve to be respected over a team like Miami. OSU NEVER discounts an opponent, at least not since coach started. And, yes, the man is one of the more humble, decent people I've ever met.
When a referee standing about 5 feet from a play in the end zone keeps his flag in his pocket , and the line judge standing off the field throws a late pass interference call on a broken up pass that would have ended the game, I'm a little skeptical.
In the last 25 years Miami has 5 National Titles, how many does tOSU have. Can you count them on one hand? For more on a stand up coach, not taking anything away from the sweater vest, see the following article.....
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/ncaa/09/04/shannon0910/index.html
and this is from a publication that has always hated the 'Canes.
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Robbed? :lmao:
I actually lived in Miami for many years. That University is probably one of the most hated, even in that area. It's like the Univerity of Spoiled Children for the east coast. :-)
And robbed? I think the thing that hurt them the most ties into the above: total lack of humility. The Buckeyes may have lost the last two years, but they never went into it with an ego. For that at least, they deserve to be respected over a team like Miami. OSU NEVER discounts an opponent, at least not since coach started. And, yes, the man is one of the more humble, decent people I've ever met.
When a referee standing about 5 feet from a play in the end zone keeps his flag in his pocket , and the line judge standing off the field throws a late pass interference call on a broken up pass that would have ended the game, I'm a little skeptical.
In the last 25 years Miami has 5 National Titles, how many does tOSU have. Can you count them on one hand? For more on a stand up coach, not taking anything away from the sweater vest, see the following article.....
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/ncaa/09/04/shannon0910/index.html
and this is from a publication that has always hated the 'Canes.
Last 25 years? Wow. :whatever:
Miami couldn't hold a jockstrap nest to tOSU's 117 years of storied history. Let alone the fact that when the teams actually met is was Miami crying in their non-alcoholic, nipple covered beers all the way home.
:-) :-) :-)
Not to mention the fact that the Buckeye's will roll over everybody this comming season beccomming the Champs of 2008/'09. (making them Big Ten champs, USC road game winners plus National Champ victors over whatever high school drop out having SEC contenders might get in the way)
#1 defense in the making! Top 10 (young) O-line already here! Top 5 running game ready to go! I don't care who you are, you do not want tOSU on your schedule this season. You have all been warned.
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Not to mention the fact that the Buckeye's will roll over everybody this comming season beccomming the Champs of 2008/'09. (making them Big Ten champs, USC road game winners plus National Champ victors over whatever high school drop out having SEC contenders might get in the way)
#1 defense in the making! Top 10 (young) O-line already here! Top 5 running game ready to go! I don't care who you are, you do not want tOSU on your schedule this season. You have all been warned.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
If you make it to #2 or #1, and that's a BIG if, you'll be routed....yet again, but an SEC team. Who's turn is it? Oh yeah, I'm thinking it's Georgia's turn to make OSU and the Big-10 look as weak as they truly are. :-)
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As I see it, the most brutal conference for football is the SEC. Big 10 isn't far behind. ACC has a long way to go yet.
Basketball is a different story . . . ACC and Big East, followed by Big 12, SEC, Pac-10, C-USA, etc.
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As I see it, the most brutal conference for football is the SEC. Big 10 isn't far behind. ACC has a long way to go yet.
Basketball is a different story . . . ACC and Big East, followed by Big 12, SEC, Pac-10, C-USA, etc.
Everything is better in the southeast. :-)
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Basketball is a different story . . . ACC and Big East, followed by Big 12, SEC, Pac-10, C-USA, etc.
This year's Basketball National Champ was a Big-12 team, Kansas. The previous two years were the same SEC team, Florida. You were saying?
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Basketball is a different story . . . ACC and Big East, followed by Big 12, SEC, Pac-10, C-USA, etc.
This year's Basketball National Champ was a Big-12 team, Kansas. The previous two years were the same SEC team, Florida. You were saying?
The meat grinders that are the ACC and Big East knocked those conferences out during the regular season, by their schedules wearing them down.
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Robbed? :lmao:
OSU NEVER discounts an opponent, at least not since coach started. And, yes, the man is one of the more humble, decent people I've ever met.
You're kidding.....
Did you sleep through the run up to the 2007 National Championship and the torrent of excuses afterwards?
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Not to mention the fact that the Buckeye's will roll over everybody this comming season beccomming the Champs of 2008/'09. (making them Big Ten champs, USC road game winners plus National Champ victors over whatever high school drop out having SEC contenders might get in the way)
#1 defense in the making! Top 10 (young) O-line already here! Top 5 running game ready to go! I don't care who you are, you do not want tOSU on your schedule this season. You have all been warned.
Weren't you saying that very same thing after UF beat them like a drum?
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Not to mention the fact that the Buckeye's will roll over everybody this comming season beccomming the Champs of 2008/'09. (making them Big Ten champs, USC road game winners plus National Champ victors over whatever high school drop out having SEC contenders might get in the way)
#1 defense in the making! Top 10 (young) O-line already here! Top 5 running game ready to go! I don't care who you are, you do not want tOSU on your schedule this season. You have all been warned.
Weren't you saying that very same thing after UF beat them like a drum?
No, they lost a lot of firepower after the Florida Nat. Champ. loss. I had no idea they would get a shot again so soon. They really fell into the #1 buy pure stupidity of other teams and related BCS logistics. However, after this recent LSU game loss, we have a crazy number of first round draft picks who chose to stay on campus. It's a "Monsters Ball" roster on D.
We have crazy talent now (especially on defense) and I'm talking USC type of super loaded. With the D we can put on the field next year and a heisman trophy prospect RB it's not even boasting. We had damn skippy better be some ball busting mo-fo's or else. It will be an unusual year in 2008 at tOSU. No come-back kids, no over-achievers, no dumb luck BCS math. It's git-er done time.
And WTH(eck)! How come I only have to answer to part of my above quote? What about... :lmao:
Miami couldn't hold a jockstrap nest to tOSU's 117 years of storied history. Let alone the fact that when the teams actually met is was Miami crying in their non-alcoholic, nipple covered beers all the way home.
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Not to mention the fact that the Buckeye's will roll over everybody this comming season beccomming the Champs of 2008/'09. (making them Big Ten champs, USC road game winners plus National Champ victors over whatever high school drop out having SEC contenders might get in the way)
#1 defense in the making! Top 10 (young) O-line already here! Top 5 running game ready to go! I don't care who you are, you do not want tOSU on your schedule this season. You have all been warned.
Weren't you saying that very same thing after UF beat them like a drum?
No, they lost a lot of firepower after the Florida Nat. Champ. loss. I had no idea they would get a shot again so soon. They really fell into the #1 buy pure stupidity of other teams and related BCS logistics. However, after this recent LSU game loss, we have a crazy number of first round draft picks who chose to stay on campus. It's a "Monsters Ball" roster on D.
We have crazy talent now (especially on defense) and I'm talking USC type of super loaded. With the D we can put on the field next year and a heisman trophy prospect RB it's not even boasting. We had damn skippy better be some ball busting mo-fo's or else. It will be an unusual year in 2008 at tOSU. No come-back kids, no over-achievers, no dumb luck BCS math. It's git-er done time.
And WTH(eck)! How come I only have to answer to part of my above quote? What about... :lmao:
Miami couldn't hold a jockstrap nest to tOSU's 117 years of storied history. Let alone the fact that when the teams actually met is was Miami crying in their non-alcoholic, nipple covered beers all the way home.
Speaking 'truth to power', Rear. May I call you, rear? :-) :tongue: Seriously, though, wasp and others, the talk here last year was that last year was a rebuilding year...we did not expect, nor should we have been in that game. For all your bantering, it was indeed the missteps of those who were supposed to have been there that landed us there in a year we were not prepared to be there. BTW, the talk last year was also that this year would be a great year for Ohio State.
What I said about Miami still stands and I actually lived there and was college aged during that time. They are not a beloved university. Most of the people I call friends(who graduated from high schools in that area..me included) went to FSU or UF. BTW, if anyone is wondering when it comes to Florida teams I pick FSU over Florida any day of the week. I really hate Gainesville with a white hot passion. :-)
I should print up this thread and take it to campus in a couple of weeks to show coach and a few select players. :-):tongue:
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Miami couldn't hold a jockstrap nest to tOSU's 117 years of storied history. Let alone the fact that when the teams actually met is was Miami crying in their non-alcoholic, nipple covered beers all the way home.
Let's see, how many N.C. does tOSU have in those 117 years?
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Not to mention the fact that the Buckeye's will roll over everybody this comming season beccomming the Champs of 2008/'09. (making them Big Ten champs, USC road game winners plus National Champ victors over whatever high school drop out having SEC contenders might get in the way)
#1 defense in the making! Top 10 (young) O-line already here! Top 5 running game ready to go! I don't care who you are, you do not want tOSU on your schedule this season. You have all been warned.
Weren't you saying that very same thing after UF beat them like a drum?
No, they lost a lot of firepower after the Florida Nat. Champ. loss. I had no idea they would get a shot again so soon. They really fell into the #1 buy pure stupidity of other teams and related BCS logistics. However, after this recent LSU game loss, we have a crazy number of first round draft picks who chose to stay on campus. It's a "Monsters Ball" roster on D.
We have crazy talent now (especially on defense) and I'm talking USC type of super loaded. With the D we can put on the field next year and a heisman trophy prospect RB it's not even boasting. We had damn skippy better be some ball busting mo-fo's or else. It will be an unusual year in 2008 at tOSU. No come-back kids, no over-achievers, no dumb luck BCS math. It's git-er done time.
I sure hope so. It would really stink to have all that talent and still not seal the deal against whomever the SEC rolls out. :rotf:
And WTH(eck)! How come I only have to answer to part of my above quote? What about... :lmao:
Miami couldn't hold a jockstrap nest to tOSU's 117 years of storied history. Let alone the fact that when the teams actually met is was Miami crying in their non-alcoholic, nipple covered beers all the way home.
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Oh, I could personally give less than a damn about UM.
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Not to mention the fact that the Buckeye's will roll over everybody this comming season beccomming the Champs of 2008/'09. (making them Big Ten champs, USC road game winners plus National Champ victors over whatever high school drop out having SEC contenders might get in the way)
#1 defense in the making! Top 10 (young) O-line already here! Top 5 running game ready to go! I don't care who you are, you do not want tOSU on your schedule this season. You have all been warned.
Weren't you saying that very same thing after UF beat them like a drum?
No, they lost a lot of firepower after the Florida Nat. Champ. loss. I had no idea they would get a shot again so soon. They really fell into the #1 buy pure stupidity of other teams and related BCS logistics. However, after this recent LSU game loss, we have a crazy number of first round draft picks who chose to stay on campus. It's a "Monsters Ball" roster on D.
We have crazy talent now (especially on defense) and I'm talking USC type of super loaded. With the D we can put on the field next year and a heisman trophy prospect RB it's not even boasting. We had damn skippy better be some ball busting mo-fo's or else. It will be an unusual year in 2008 at tOSU. No come-back kids, no over-achievers, no dumb luck BCS math. It's git-er done time.
I sure hope so. It would really stink to have all that talent and still not seal the deal against whomever the SEC rolls out. :rotf:
And WTH(eck)! How come I only have to answer to part of my above quote? What about... :lmao:
Miami couldn't hold a jockstrap nest to tOSU's 117 years of storied history. Let alone the fact that when the teams actually met is was Miami crying in their non-alcoholic, nipple covered beers all the way home.
Oh, I could personally give less than a damn about UM.
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Neither does most of Miami, Florida. :-)
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The ranking look pretty good. I'd rearrange a few but the 2001 Hurricane team was a good team. Probably not as good as the 1989 or 1991 Hurricane teams, but pretty good.
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The ranking look pretty good. I'd rearrange a few but the 2001 Hurricane team was a good team. Probably not as good as the 1989 or 1991 Hurricane teams, but pretty good.
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I just love to see all the Miami Haters come out of the woodwork. I'm sitting back and enjoying everybody kicking us while we'e down. Because that crow is gonna be so bitter in the next couple of years.
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The ranking look pretty good. I'd rearrange a few but the 2001 Hurricane team was a good team. Probably not as good as the 1989 or 1991 Hurricane teams, but pretty good.
I just love to see all the Miami Haters come out of the woodwork. I'm sitting back and enjoying everybody kicking us while we'e down. Because that crow is gonna be so bitter in the next couple of years.
They need to get back to recruiting thugs and playing their home games in the yard inside the Florida State Penitentiary.
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I sure hope so. It would really stink to have all that talent and still not seal the deal against whomever the SEC rolls out. :rotf:
It's the Dawgs turn. :-)
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Not to mention the fact that the Buckeye's will roll over everybody this comming season beccomming the Champs of 2008/'09. (making them Big Ten champs, USC road game winners plus National Champ victors over whatever high school drop out having SEC contenders might get in the way)
#1 defense in the making! Top 10 (young) O-line already here! Top 5 running game ready to go! I don't care who you are, you do not want tOSU on your schedule this season. You have all been warned.
Weren't you saying that very same thing after UF beat them like a drum?
No, they lost a lot of firepower after the Florida Nat. Champ. loss. I had no idea they would get a shot again so soon. They really fell into the #1 buy pure stupidity of other teams and related BCS logistics. However, after this recent LSU game loss, we have a crazy number of first round draft picks who chose to stay on campus. It's a "Monsters Ball" roster on D.
We have crazy talent now (especially on defense) and I'm talking USC type of super loaded. With the D we can put on the field next year and a heisman trophy prospect RB it's not even boasting. We had damn skippy better be some ball busting mo-fo's or else. It will be an unusual year in 2008 at tOSU. No come-back kids, no over-achievers, no dumb luck BCS math. It's git-er done time.
And WTH(eck)! How come I only have to answer to part of my above quote? What about... :lmao:
Miami couldn't hold a jockstrap nest to tOSU's 117 years of storied history. Let alone the fact that when the teams actually met is was Miami crying in their non-alcoholic, nipple covered beers all the way home.
Speaking 'truth to power', Rear. May I call you, rear? :-) :tongue: Seriously, though, wasp and others, the talk here last year was that last year was a rebuilding year...we did not expect, nor should we have been in that game. For all your bantering, it was indeed the missteps of those who were supposed to have been there that landed us there in a year we were not prepared to be there. BTW, the talk last year was also that this year would be a great year for Ohio State.
What I said about Miami still stands and I actually lived there and was college aged during that time. They are not a beloved university. Most of the people I call friends(who graduated from high schools in that area..me included) went to FSU or UF. BTW, if anyone is wondering when it comes to Florida teams I pick FSU over Florida any day of the week. I really hate Gainesville with a white hot passion. :-)
I should print up this thread and take it to campus in a couple of weeks to show coach and a few select players. :-):tongue:
You may call me Mr. Steel, LOL. (Reardon or RS both work... or "buddy") :p
I agree with you. I was just pointing out why I did not think tOSU was a contender at this time last year. Why I did not, in fact, "say the same thing last year as was alleged.
Let's see, how many N.C. does tOSU have in those 117 years?
Five, I think. But there is a little more to "storied history" than NC wins. Including All Americans, Heisman Trophy winners, Two time Heisman Trophy winners (lol), future NFL greats, HOF coaches, playing spoiler to would be NC teams, "classic" games from history, Rose Bowl wins (back when it meant something else), BCS wins, being one half of the biggest, badest, greatest rivalry in all of sports history... etc etc.
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Five, I think. But there is a little more to "storied history" than NC wins. Including All Americans, Heisman Trophy winners, Two time Heisman Trophy winners (lol), future NFL greats, HOF coaches, playing spoiler to would be NC teams, "classic" games from history, Rose Bowl wins (back when it meant something else), BCS wins, being one half of the biggest, badest, greatest rivalry in all of sports history... etc etc.
The U has done all that in a quarter the time. Far my money the biggest, baddest rivalry is Auburn - Alabama. And I don't like either one.
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Five, I think. But there is a little more to "storied history" than NC wins. Including All Americans, Heisman Trophy winners, Two time Heisman Trophy winners (lol), future NFL greats, HOF coaches, playing spoiler to would be NC teams, "classic" games from history, Rose Bowl wins (back when it meant something else), BCS wins, being one half of the biggest, badest, greatest rivalry in all of sports history... etc etc.
The U has done all that in a quarter the time. Far my money the biggest, baddest rivalry is Auburn - Alabama. And I don't like either one.
Really? Multiple HOF coaches, a two time Heisman winner, equal bowl wins/NFL players/Head Coach factory etc etc all equal to the Buckeye's measured in history?? Wow. That's to big to look up. I'll just go on the record as "doubtful".
As for rivalrys... dude, you are nuts. I love the Ironbowl (despite not liking either team also) but damn. That's a squeeker as a top 10 sports rivalry at best. Michigan vs. Ohio State is the show. Auburn v Alabama may be equal to Sparta v Athens but Buck's v Wolves is like USSR v USA for all the marbles. It's a farkin' blood-feud.
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I should print up this thread and take it to campus in a couple of weeks to show coach and a few select players. :-):tongue:
Hell, while you're at it, tell em to look me up. I have a 10 year old that needs someone else to kick around than his brothers.
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Five, I think. But there is a little more to "storied history" than NC wins. Including All Americans, Heisman Trophy winners, Two time Heisman Trophy winners (lol), future NFL greats, HOF coaches, playing spoiler to would be NC teams, "classic" games from history, Rose Bowl wins (back when it meant something else), BCS wins, being one half of the biggest, badest, greatest rivalry in all of sports history... etc etc.
The U has done all that in a quarter the time. Far my money the biggest, baddest rivalry is Auburn - Alabama. And I don't like either one.
I'd put Army-Navy at the top. There are several I'd put ahead of Mich-OSU, including Texas-OU, USC-UCLA, Mich-ND, and a few others.
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Five, I think. But there is a little more to "storied history" than NC wins. Including All Americans, Heisman Trophy winners, Two time Heisman Trophy winners (lol), future NFL greats, HOF coaches, playing spoiler to would be NC teams, "classic" games from history, Rose Bowl wins (back when it meant something else), BCS wins, being one half of the biggest, badest, greatest rivalry in all of sports history... etc etc.
The U has done all that in a quarter the time. Far my money the biggest, baddest rivalry is Auburn - Alabama. And I don't like either one.
I'd put Army-Navy at the top. There are several I'd put ahead of Mich-OSU, including Texas-OU, USC-UCLA, Mich-ND, and a few others.
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Just damn. LOL
I'd put Red Sox vs. Yankees over all of Texas-OU, USC-UCLA and Michigan-ND and baseball blows. :lmao:
I'd also put North Carolina vs. Duke ahead of any of those too.
Learn your history people! Or be doomed to er, well, no no... nevermind, that dosen't work. :p
1. Michigan vs. Ohio State
When Ohio Stadium opened in 1922, Michigan spoiled the party with a 22-0 victory. The rivalry was heated in the early days as both have been long-time college football powers. But it got even hotter in 1969, when Bo Schembechler took over as Michigan's coach and upset Woody Hayes' No. 1-ranked, undefeated Buckeyes. Four times in the next six years, both teams were ranked in the top five when they met. In 1970 and 1973, both were undefeated (they tied 10-10 in '73). From 1970 through 1975, Michigan entered without a loss every year. The Wolverines won just once. Ohio State was 9-0-1 in 1993, 11-0 in 1995 and 10-0 in 1996. The Buckeyes lost each time. That is rivalry.
Found it on the webs. It has to be true! :tongue:
http://espn.go.com/endofcentury/s/other/bestrivalries.html
One of my favorites is Indiana vs Purdue. Big history, lot's of attention every year. (in Indiana) Gene Keady was the only Big 10 coach with a winning record verses Bobby Knight! HOWEVER, loyalites aside, I know better than to put that rivalry up amoung the best of all time. sheesh.
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http://library.osu.edu/sites/archives/OSUvsMichigan/osuvsmichigan.htm
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I only like to edit so much, but just as a correction tOSU did not win 5 championships. They won seven. (1942, 1954, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1970 and 2002) (*this years pending, so really it's eight, lol)
Five former Ohio State head coaches have been inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame. (Howard Jones, John Wilce, Francis Schmidt, Woody Hayes, and Earle Bruce) (Jim Tressel pending)
Archie Griffin is the first (only?) two time Heisman trophy winner. (1974 and 1975) Also Les Horvath (1944), Vic Janowicz (1950), Howard “Hopalong†Cassady (1955), Eddie George (1995), and Troy Smith (2006) were Buckeye winners.
Big Ten Titles:1916, 1917, 1920, 1935, 1939, 1942, 1949, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1981, 1984, 1986, 1993, 1996, 1998, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007
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Learn your history people! Or be doomed to er, well, no no... nevermind, that dosen't work. :p
1. Michigan vs. Ohio State
When Ohio Stadium opened in 1922, Michigan spoiled the party with a 22-0 victory. The rivalry was heated in the early days as both have been long-time college football powers. But it got even hotter in 1969, when Bo Schembechler took over as Michigan's coach and upset Woody Hayes' No. 1-ranked, undefeated Buckeyes. Four times in the next six years, both teams were ranked in the top five when they met. In 1970 and 1973, both were undefeated (they tied 10-10 in '73). From 1970 through 1975, Michigan entered without a loss every year. The Wolverines won just once. Ohio State was 9-0-1 in 1993, 11-0 in 1995 and 10-0 in 1996. The Buckeyes lost each time. That is rivalry.
Found it on the webs. It has to be true! :tongue:
http://espn.go.com/endofcentury/s/other/bestrivalries.html
WTF is this?
10 we wish still existed
4. Texas vs. Oklahoma
This football border war was a classic from the '50s through the mid-'80s.
This game has sent the winner to the national title game 5 out of the past 8 years.
BTW, yes the Michigan vs. OSU game is very important...it determines which team of yankees gets to lose to a Southern team.
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Learn your history people! Or be doomed to er, well, no no... nevermind, that dosen't work. :p
1. Michigan vs. Ohio State
When Ohio Stadium opened in 1922, Michigan spoiled the party with a 22-0 victory. The rivalry was heated in the early days as both have been long-time college football powers. But it got even hotter in 1969, when Bo Schembechler took over as Michigan's coach and upset Woody Hayes' No. 1-ranked, undefeated Buckeyes. Four times in the next six years, both teams were ranked in the top five when they met. In 1970 and 1973, both were undefeated (they tied 10-10 in '73). From 1970 through 1975, Michigan entered without a loss every year. The Wolverines won just once. Ohio State was 9-0-1 in 1993, 11-0 in 1995 and 10-0 in 1996. The Buckeyes lost each time. That is rivalry.
Found it on the webs. It has to be true! :tongue:
http://espn.go.com/endofcentury/s/other/bestrivalries.html
WTF is this?
10 we wish still existed
4. Texas vs. Oklahoma
This football border war was a classic from the '50s through the mid-'80s.
This game has sent the winner to the national title game 5 out of the past 8 years.
BTW, yes the Michigan vs. OSU game is very important...it determines which team of yankees gets to lose to a Southern team.
That's damn impressive, even if it is "just" 4 of the past 8 years with 2 wins. (with a win this season tOSU will accomplish that all by themselves of course) And the Red River shootout is a hella rivalry IMHO. I watch it over Auburn v Alabama for sure, but I went to grade school in Altus, OK and the ReardenSteel clan still has family friends there from church.
Also, fwiw, the ESPN link I provided is total crap. Besides nailing numero uno the rest of the thing is garbage. :uhsure:
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Big Ten Titles:1916, 1917, 1920, 1935, 1939, 1942, 1949, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1981, 1984, 1986, 1993, 1996, 1998, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007
Um, Big 10 titles don't hold much water. If they were in the SEC, you could subtract about 2/3rd of those. ....and yes, I'm talking about "back then" also.
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That's damn impressive, even if it is "just" 4 of the past 8 years with 2 wins. (with a win this season tOSU will accomplish that all by themselves of course)
Whoops! I think I might of accidently snuck that sacrificial '01 Nebraska team in there.
Also, fwiw, the ESPN link I provided is total crap. Besides nailing numero uno the rest of the thing is garbage. :uhsure:
Now you are talkin' sense!
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How long will it be before tOSU is competing for the D-IAA title? :stirpot:
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Big Ten Titles:1916, 1917, 1920, 1935, 1939, 1942, 1949, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1981, 1984, 1986, 1993, 1996, 1998, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007
Um, Big 10 titles don't hold much water. If they were in the SEC, you could subtract about 2/3rd of those. ....and yes, I'm talking about "back then" also.
Dude. Have a second glance at "back then".
Big 10 National Championships (28) - SEC National Championships (24)
I thought this thing all got started because we were talking about an "historic" program (tOSU) and the claim that Miami (of all teams) claimed to equal the Buckeyes in 100+years of accomplishments just during the last 25 years. LOL
Are we now onto just general smack talk and what not? That's kinda where I'm going and where I have the most fun. (the whole "my dad could beat up your dadness" of football debate) Half of the geratness of college football, for me and many others, is the traditions. The fun of that comes from the fact that college football history is a cluster-frak of unknowables, competing claims, dual champions and etc etc.
This much I do know...
- The SEC is the top dog lately and has great teams and good history and traditions.
- Ohio State can stand eye to eye with anyone in college football lore and crushes most.
Also, it's not tOSU's fault that the Big 10 has been teetering for some time now. (anymore than it's the Patriots fault that they play warm crap in the AFC East) Scheduels are made years in advance and at least the Buckeye's have been looking elsewhere and the Big 10 declines. Of late they swapped games with Texas, have another two year exchange with USC starting this year and have another with Tennessee after that. (to answer Rebel's "stiring the pot" dig) H5 for that Reb, lol. Bitch-slaps are for Bitches.
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Also, fwiw, the ESPN link I provided is total crap. Besides nailing numero uno the rest of the thing is garbage.
Now you are talkin' sense!
Dude. Tell me that list didn't crack you up! :lmao:
Now, back to the thread. Fark all your teams but mine. :evillaugh:
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Dude. Have a second glance at "back then".
Big 10 National Championships (28) - SEC National Championships (24)
Got a link? I would assume some of those 28 NCs were shared. I know Ole Miss shared one with Minnesota in 1960.
A lot of SEC/Big-10 shares. http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html
...and you'll have to excuse my haterism for the Big-11, PAC-10, and other conferences that don't have a conference championship whereas the SEC, ACC, and Big-12 have one extra game to play...that does count in the ratings.
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Dude. Have a second glance at "back then".
Big 10 National Championships (28) - SEC National Championships (24)
Got a link? I would assume some of those 28 NCs were shared. I know Ole Miss shared one with Minnesota in 1960.
A lot of SEC/Big-10 shares. http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html
...and you'll have to excuse my haterism for the Big-11, PAC-10, and other conferences that don't have a conference championship whereas the SEC, ACC, and Big-12 have one extra game to play...that does count in the ratings.
Yea man. It's wacky city in the history books. One of my favorites is the shared title of Notre Dame and Alabama in 1973. Bama was 11-1, ND was 11-0. Bama's one loss... to ND in the Sugar Bowl, LOL.
Your haterism is excused. It's way unfair the way that extra game with its extra time together on the field and extra millions of dollars for the schools got shoved down their throats. They ought to be sitting on their butts for two months before the bowl games start so they can be, you know, fresh and all.
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Yea man. It's wacky city in the history books. One of my favorites is the shared title of Notre Dame and Alabama in 1973. Bama was 11-1, ND was 11-0. Bama's one loss... to ND in the Sugar Bowl, LOL.
Yeah, in that case, I would have to say the non-Big-11 school, Notre Dame, was the National Champion. :-)
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Yea man. It's wacky city in the history books. One of my favorites is the shared title of Notre Dame and Alabama in 1973. Bama was 11-1, ND was 11-0. Bama's one loss... to ND in the Sugar Bowl, LOL.
Yeah, in that case, I would have to say the non-Big-11 school, Notre Dame, was the National Champion. :-)
For what it's worth, I'd be cool with ND joining the Big 10(11 going on 12) and going to a tourney system. Or better yet, stealing the WVU Mountaineers instead.
However I'll go either way because I enjoy arguing about football almost as much as watching it.
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For what it's worth, I'd be cool with ND joining the Big 10(11 going on 12) and going to a tourney system. Or better yet, stealing the WVU Mountaineers instead.
However I'll go either way because I enjoy arguing about football almost as much as watching it.
I think you'd have to assassinate some people at the Big East before you could ever get WVU. There's no way in hell they'll let their most consistent power house go.
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For what it's worth, I'd be cool with ND joining the Big 10(11 going on 12) and going to a tourney system. Or better yet, stealing the WVU Mountaineers instead.
However I'll go either way because I enjoy arguing about football almost as much as watching it.
I think you'd have to assassinate some people at the Big East before you could ever get WVU. There's no way in hell they'll let their most consistent power house go.
True that, lol. Although, the conferences to get changed around too much IMHO. Part of what makes comparing histories impossible. For example the Big 10 "championships" above did not even count MSU's one or Penn State's 4 all "earned" (achieved?) before they joined the Big-gest 10.
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True that, lol. Although, the conferences to get changed around too much IMHO. Part of what makes comparing histories impossible. For example the Big 10 "championships" above did not even count MSU's one or Penn State's 4 all "earned" (achieved?) before they joined the Big-gest 10.
Well, the Strongest Eastern Conference has been pretty consistent, aside from losing Tulane and GT, but we picked up Arkansas from the SWC debacle.
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Just damn. LOL
I'd put Red Sox vs. Yankees over all of Texas-OU, USC-UCLA and Michigan-ND and baseball blows. :lmao:
I'd also put North Carolina vs. Duke ahead of any of those too.
Learn your history people! Or be doomed to er, well, no no... nevermind, that dosen't work. :p
This is all just opinions. Besides, we're talking college football rivalries, not other sports.
I would expect Michigan and OSU fans to believe their game is the biggest rivalry, but that doesn't make it so except to them. No one's going to agree on what is and isn't the biggest college football rivalry. I say it's Army-Navy. If no one else agrees, what do I really care? I have my reasons for it, no one else has to agree.
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LSU is the only team on that list to have won 2 championships. I thought they had a good chance to repeat but the most heralded QB has been kicked off the team for constantly getting trouble with the pollice. Perrileau was the most sought after high school QB 2 years ago. He better get his head out of his ass or he will playing football in prison.
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LSU is the only team on that list to have won 2 championships.
Um, huh?
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LSU is the only team on that list to have won 2 championships.
Um, huh?
I think he means over the past 10 years, but, USC also won 2, according to the AP (I hate that dual-champion too, but, there it is).