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Insane jealousy on display.
« on: January 31, 2009, 03:13:04 PM »
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$75,000 to push ****ing paper? I am a PROFESSIONAL making $15 per hour
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and these MF's are whining because they aren't getting "bonuses on top!"

To push ****ing PAPER!

**** THEM

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gopbuster (715 posts)        Fri Jan-30-09 10:49 PM
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5. On CNBC today "75,000" min pay to work for a hedge fund
   Edited on Fri Jan-30-09 10:51 PM by gopbuster
I don't give **** if the min is $25,000 to get the boss coffee this is class warfare!

These scumbags have NO ****ING CLUE AND DO NOT RESPECT what it takes to SCRIBE IN A $5000 peice of prefinished wood into their 35 mil home....


they have no ****ing clue and the man in the middle needs the get the **** out of the way

way to many middle men who do NOTHING and are making toooooo much money cuting the real craftsman or PROFESSIONAL out of the equation


SCUMBAGS

**** them

This is class warfare

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gopbuster (715 posts)        Fri Jan-30-09 10:59 PM
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9. What's the min? 25 k? I'd like to see these so called pRofessionals
   do what I DO
   

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Political Heretic  (1000+ posts)          Fri Jan-30-09 11:07 PM
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15. Which is what, exactly?

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gopbuster (715 posts)        Fri Jan-30-09 11:18 PM
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High End Architectural Woodworker eom

For $15.00/hour he says.

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Fla_Democrat (557 posts)        Sat Jan-31-09 03:02 PM
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51. Wow, the trim carpenters on
   Wow, the trim carpenters on our last project was making $27/hr. Must be a regional thing. 
   

ZING  :lmao:

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gopbuster (715 posts)        Fri Jan-30-09 10:56 PM
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7. I got your link...right here
   Get out on the front lines/ trenches and deal with these conservative arrogant peices of crap " pay them cheap and put them in the dirt. I'll just hire Mexican's that way they keep coming back begging for more) AH's

yes....foul; language is needed....it's that serious

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gopbuster (715 posts)        Fri Jan-30-09 11:08 PM
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16. sickening...just sickening...we need to push this thing forward
   I am a Professional because I do 4- 6 hours in which these other assholes it takes 8- 10

I would be absoutely livid, although patient with equal opportunity.

It;s the authoritarian bosses I would have the problem with

Ahem...if you do good work and faster then others then hang out a shingle and in no time you will be more prosperous then they ever thought of.

Something tells me he isn`t though....you know that thing with whining on an Internet forum to a bunch of loons suggests other wise.
Least it is a clue anyways.

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20. Amen.. is that the truth......
   I spend 8 hours a day carrying my "supervisors" on my back. (The dumb-**** Republicans that they are)

I hate the dumbing down of America...I go 2 steps forward.. they go 2 steps back.

My supervisor makes $80,000 a year. I make $9 an hour.. and he asks ME what to do? Although he has a permanent brown ring around his nose connected to the front office.

Our country (after 30 years of Republican Brainwashing) is truly ****ed up.

Yep,someone else is always keeping you down,or maybe it is an attitude thing. :loser:






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Re: Insane jealousy on display.
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2009, 03:23:17 PM »
 :lmao:

Outstanding find!  H5!!

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Re: Insane jealousy on display.
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2009, 03:28:04 PM »
Yeah they bash the Execs for their hefty bonus'...yet every single one of them would be the greediest ****s on earth if THEY were in the corner office.
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Re: Insane jealousy on display.
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2009, 03:43:11 PM »
There is some really, really funny shit over there!  That thing is a gold mine.  They are even slamming government employees.  LOL

This is my favorite post over there so far.  This is great;

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34. Hey.... I started out at $17.50 per hour in my own biz    Updated at 1:26 PM
   

back in 1986, and managed to raise my price up to $50 per hour
by 1995.  I never did raise it again for fear of losing
clients.  Dot.com crash caved my comfy economy, but I am on
the rise. In fact, I now give a 25% discount per day as
incentive, at $37.50 an hour.  I turn raw data into reliable
Financial Statements that can pass an audit, or be easily
corrected after a review.  Not a CPA, but a PA. So if I get
40 hours, which I like working, bearing my own expenses and
overhead, that would be $37.50 x 2080 = $78000!  That works
for me out here in San Francisco where my one bedroom
apartment is $1500 including garage.  That is a good deal,
actually. 

If I found a government job where they let me do internal or
external audits, and coach accountants on processes, and on
ethics, and pay me that much, I would love it and work hard.
I know the value and meaning of service.  Owning the processes
so that you don't need supervision saves money, so it earns
higher wages.  People who do administrative and management
work are the brains that get the trains running, the
hospitals supplied and equal, and education ready for
teachers and students.  Make people have to complete tasks if
you are going to pay them those kind of fees. And if people
are slacking they should be reprimanded and fired if they do
not do their job. 

But as a business owner, I see no wrong with my being able to
earn a living as a contractor for $78K, if I could find enough
clients to work full time.   But the reality is I am lucky if
I can find 5 or ten days a month.  I carry a lot of
responsibility as a professional.  And people have to trust
me. 

Try it.  You might like it, if you are doing nothing right
now it can give you a good frame of mind and put your body
back in action.  Goals are really important to achieve.

You can do it too! Americans are the freest people in the
world.  We don't have to settle for low wages if we think for
ourselves and build networks.  This is why the Repugs have not
won.  We are too smart for civil war, and we have a strong
small to mid size business core.  Join the forces, serve
America and serve yourself! 

Ever have ideas about starting a business? Think about how
you can be of service to others and/or provide a great
product to sell.  The hardest part is self motivation to get
organization and funding at the start.  Then, if its real,
you coast into being an independent when it comes to your
economy.  As long as you pay your taxes, you are left alone.
Lots of things need repair and beautifying.  Especially we
need to nurture ourselves back to balance.   And get a
government banking industry that works for us.  A bunch of
nationalized banks, with 14% interest rates for savings, and
5% interest rates for borrowing, like when I was a kid.


Comparison to others is a pitfall and a time-waster, and
potentially life threatening.  Whereas, learning from each
other and allowing yourself to will good for others builds a
character with the intelligence to recognize the power of
ethics.  Professionalism requires it. And then there are
thieves at the top that need downsizing asap.

George Bataille (author of "Erotism: Death and
Sensuality")points out that human beings naturally want
to serve and animal nature wants to be divine in that
service.  Treat us like things, and the animal will rise up
and strike however it sees fit to regain that dignity, or die
(or so it seems to the ego)!

Give us jobs (or let us build businesses) with dignity and we
are happy generous campers. 

I think it is really important right now to treat people with
respect and civility. 

The rage is at tipping point in a lot of places. 
Fathers are dropping their 4 year old daughters, beaten, over
bridges in America. 
Oh my.


There is a whole lot about this post I would like to talk about but the main thing that really jumped out at me is the part I bolded.  This idiot is claiming to be an accountant yet would like to have banks paying 14% on savings and loaning money at 5%.

At these rates I would like to borrow as MUCH AS I CAN from the bank just to put into a savings account.  I sure hope this DUmmie opens a bank and I get notified first.  I need to collect as much interest as I can before his ass goes out of business.

Great find.  Oooops I forgot to give you your H5 awhile ago.  Here it is.

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Re: Insane jealousy on display.
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2009, 03:55:30 PM »
OUCH!

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50. this argument
   
is the old "working class hero" argument: unless you get dirty, sweaty and smelly you don't truly work for a living.

I heard it when I got my 1st job right out of college. there were folks in my family who were absolutely outraged that I made what I made when the entry levels in their professions were making half what I was.

I am not belittling folks who are in the trades or other forms of manual labor...they are critical to a functioning society. While I don't doubt for a second that I can do what they do for a living but come and walk in the shoes of the folks who are the targets of this thread, you might find that just because you can't see their skills, you would struggle to match the fruits of those skills (whether you agree with those fruits or not)

Damn!  I guess if you go to college you can do ANYONE'S job but those who have not gone to college couldn't do the paperpushers job.  Wow. How to win friends and influence people.

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Re: Insane jealousy on display.
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2009, 04:38:52 PM »
Yeah they bash the Execs for their hefty bonus'...yet every single one of them would be the greediest ****s on earth if THEY were in the corner office.
Ain't that the truth. Their focus on money bears that one out. I notice how all these pukes seem to think that the folks who earn this money have the same drive, experience, focus, lives as they do and they are just 'unjustly rewarded' :lmao: Something tells me an exec or a hedge fund manager doesn't widdle their day away online on a crack pot liberal website...hmm, perhaps that's how he has the time to earn his 'unjust reward'.  :evillaugh:

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Re: Insane jealousy on display.
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2009, 04:43:10 PM »
Why can they never muster this rage for George Soros?
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Re: Insane jealousy on display.
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2009, 04:43:28 PM »
"I am a PROFESSIONAL making $15 per hour"........Take a hint. Get a haircut, clip your nails, lose a few pounds, clean yourself up a little and service a higher class of John's.
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Re: Insane jealousy on display.
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2009, 04:49:23 PM »
OUCH!

Damn!  I guess if you go to college you can do ANYONE'S job but those who have not gone to college couldn't do the paperpushers job.  Wow. How to win friends and influence people.

KC

Yeah, I think that came out all wrong on her part. I think what she was probably trying to say is that the manual labor types IN HER OWN family had no appreciation for the skills she brought to her 'paperpushing' job and because of it found no justification for the income she earned. I do think there is some truth to that. More mental type of skills are not always tangible and seen in the same way those that physical work is. For example, I can sit in the cash office of a retail store and people come by and see me working, but they won't see next to me the balanced books, the deposit for the day, the entries made to the balanced books, the made up tills, etc. However, if I work on the floor of the store and I have to set up a new display, it is much easier to see the tangible results of my 4 hours of labor in the display that I just put up despite the 12 inch calculator strip if have for my labor in the cash office. I think maybe her point, presented lopsided, was that the sides don't always have an appreciation for the work of the other.

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Re: Insane jealousy on display.
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2009, 04:50:25 PM »
Why can they never muster this rage for George Soros?
Because rich people who mirror their own talking points are considered exempt...some of the rich gotta put pressure after all on those evil rich don't you know.  :-)

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Re: Insane jealousy on display.
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2009, 04:55:06 PM »
Yeah they bash the Execs for their hefty bonus'...yet every single one of them would be the greediest ****s on earth if THEY were in the corner office.

Better yet I want to see one of those assholes do what we do for the pay we get or in my case used to get. How many of you losers want to change carreers with some 11B infantry troops? Or trade jobs with a Bradley driver or a Arty puke? I know some ofyou are just dying to trade places for some Airman on the flightline refueling jets at probably a third of the pay he could make outside working for United Airlines. How many of you retarded UAW monkies want to see what its like to work over humvees that should have been repalced a long time ago for pay and benefits that wouldn't even scratch what your getting?
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Re: Insane jealousy on display.
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2009, 04:57:50 PM »
Say, where's ******* in the dictionary or thesaurus? Can't seem to find it?   :-)
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2009, 05:17:31 PM »
Yeah, I think that came out all wrong on her part. I think what she was probably trying to say is that the manual labor types IN HER OWN family had no appreciation for the skills she brought to her 'paperpushing' job and because of it found no justification for the income she earned. I do think there is some truth to that. More mental type of skills are not always tangible and seen in the same way those that physical work is. For example, I can sit in the cash office of a retail store and people come by and see me working, but they won't see next to me the balanced books, the deposit for the day, the entries made to the balanced books, the made up tills, etc. However, if I work on the floor of the store and I have to set up a new display, it is much easier to see the tangible results of my 4 hours of labor in the display that I just put up despite the 12 inch calculator strip if have for my labor in the cash office. I think maybe her point, presented lopsided, was that the sides don't always have an appreciation for the work of the other.

I understand what you are saying.  I came from a blue collar background and my family was completely supportive of what I did when I was a welder building water towers.  As I moved into more white collar work my family was less supportive and really couldn't understand how I made money doing what I was doing at the time.  Now, 15 years later, they understand I can actually make a living doing what I do but I don't think they have the respect for what I do that they had when I was busting my ass physically. 

To be honest, I didn't have much respect for those with office jobs until I got one.  Mental strain is just as demanding as physical but it takes experience to understand that.

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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2009, 06:37:14 PM »
I understand what you are saying.  I came from a blue collar background and my family was completely supportive of what I did when I was a welder building water towers.  As I moved into more white collar work my family was less supportive and really couldn't understand how I made money doing what I was doing at the time.  Now, 15 years later, they understand I can actually make a living doing what I do but I don't think they have the respect for what I do that they had when I was busting my ass physically. 

To be honest, I didn't have much respect for those with office jobs until I got one.  Mental strain is just as demanding as physical but it takes experience to understand that.

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Neither did I, my friend. I think too, being from a line of blue collar workers myself, that there is the old management versus labor(in the traditional sense, not the union sense) disputes that are kinda legend in the minds of the blue collar family. My family was the same way too. It almost seemed like a betrayal of family values to jump the line, so to speak, and cross over to the 'other side'.

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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2009, 06:40:00 PM »
I think maybe her point, presented lopsided, was that the sides don't always have an appreciation for the work of the other.

Through my experiences -- from digging ditches to stringing barbwire fences to shoveling horse manure to house painting, housekeeping, short-order cook and dishwasher to technical white-collar staff and management positions -- I've learned how easy it is for one side to trash talk about the other, without the slightest understanding what the talked-about do.

Pity, too, because both sides have more in common than they realize.

I, too, came from blue-collar background. And there was tension between me and my parents, good people who helped me when I needed help in getting through college, because I didn't punch a clock.

But, then, as a consultant, once logging a 99-hour week but typical long 40+ hour weeks, and a lot on the road, didn't register with them.
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Re: Insane jealousy on display.
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2009, 07:09:13 PM »
Neither did I, my friend. I think too, being from a line of blue collar workers myself, that there is the old management versus labor(in the traditional sense, not the union sense) disputes that are kinda legend in the minds of the blue collar family. My family was the same way too. It almost seemed like a betrayal of family values to jump the line, so to speak, and cross over to the 'other side'.

I went the opposite way.

I didn't want to go to college; I wanted to be out in the real world.

However, it was frequently pointed out that we had six generations of 100% college graduates (father's side), and I wasn't to be the exception.

I fought this idea ferociously, even violently.  I even took the physical for the U.S. Army, planning on cheating on the hearing test, which I did.  (It was years later that I finally figured out the recruiter was doing it as a favor to me, as he painfully knew I wouldn't pass.)

I was way set against this idea, of going to college and having a desk job.

However, other events interfered, and by the time I was done with high school, the parents and siblings started dropping like dominoes, and I had no other place to be, but in college.  And being a good trooper, I finished it (and in fact went back a second time).

Over the years, I've had both white-collar and blue-collar jobs, but the best one I ever had was taking 20', 380-pound, lengths of pipe and bending them into posts for basketball backboards.  It was the most carefree, the most stress-free, job I ever had, a great job.....but alas after a couple of years I bowed to peer pressure and went on to yet another white collar job (records supervisor for Immigration & Naturalization).

Both jobs paid about the same money, the same benefits.
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2009, 07:52:10 PM »
Neither did I, my friend. I think too, being from a line of blue collar workers myself, that there is the old management versus labor(in the traditional sense, not the union sense) disputes that are kinda legend in the minds of the blue collar family. My family was the same way too. It almost seemed like a betrayal of family values to jump the line, so to speak, and cross over to the 'other side'.

Yeah, I see that too.  They do feel betrayed but I think, in my case anyway, when my parents came down one time and actually saw what I did .... I think it helped them.  They realized I actually DO stuff for the money I earn.  I think before, as you said, it was the ol' management vs. labor thoughts that because I wasn't working with my back I couldn't have been earning but rather taking. 

Since I have been on both sides I have a lot more respect for both.

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Re: Insane jealousy on display.
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2009, 01:48:04 AM »
There is some really, really funny shit over there!  That thing is a gold mine.  They are even slamming government employees.  LOL

This is my favorite post over there so far.  This is great;

There is a whole lot about this post I would like to talk about but the main thing that really jumped out at me is the part I bolded.  This idiot is claiming to be an accountant yet would like to have banks paying 14% on savings and loaning money at 5%.

At these rates I would like to borrow as MUCH AS I CAN from the bank just to put into a savings account.  I sure hope this DUmmie opens a bank and I get notified first.  I need to collect as much interest as I can before his ass goes out of business.

Great find.  Oooops I forgot to give you your H5 awhile ago.  Here it is.

KC


wow. EPIC EPIC stupid.... acts like he knows about the economy and finances and work and ends up saying something as STOOPid as that. we need a new tradition. A DUmmie Stupid Bowl. This is definitely in the running.


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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2009, 01:12:09 PM »
I went the opposite way.

I didn't want to go to college; I wanted to be out in the real world.

However, it was frequently pointed out that we had six generations of 100% college graduates (father's side), and I wasn't to be the exception.

I fought this idea ferociously, even violently.  I even took the physical for the U.S. Army, planning on cheating on the hearing test, which I did.  (It was years later that I finally figured out the recruiter was doing it as a favor to me, as he painfully knew I wouldn't pass.)

I was way set against this idea, of going to college and having a desk job.

However, other events interfered, and by the time I was done with high school, the parents and siblings started dropping like dominoes, and I had no other place to be, but in college.  And being a good trooper, I finished it (and in fact went back a second time).

Over the years, I've had both white-collar and blue-collar jobs, but the best one I ever had was taking 20', 380-pound, lengths of pipe and bending them into posts for basketball backboards.  It was the most carefree, the most stress-free, job I ever had, a great job.....but alas after a couple of years I bowed to peer pressure and went on to yet another white collar job (records supervisor for Immigration & Naturalization).

Both jobs paid about the same money, the same benefits.

It's funny how you stumble, sometimes, across something you really enjoy isn't it, frank? I have a little of both in my makeup. There are things I can do at a desk that I'm good at and would be foolish to not follow in order to do what DUmmies seem opposed to doing and that is taking responsibility for themselves, however there are things I like to do with my hands(be gone wise crackers) that I am also good at and really enjoy. There is something rewarding in a good hard days worth a labor you can feel too. Perhaps it's another reason I work out so much now--I enjoy the physical exhaustion that makes me fall over into bed at night.

Sorry, a little disjointed here. Just thinking out loud.

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Re: Insane jealousy on display.
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2009, 02:30:46 PM »
It's funny how you stumble, sometimes, across something you really enjoy isn't it, frank? I have a little of both in my makeup. There are things I can do at a desk that I'm good at and would be foolish to not follow in order to do what DUmmies seem opposed to doing and that is taking responsibility for themselves, however there are things I like to do with my hands(be gone wise crackers) that I am also good at and really enjoy. There is something rewarding in a good hard days worth a labor you can feel too. Perhaps it's another reason I work out so much now--I enjoy the physical exhaustion that makes me fall over into bed at night.

Sorry, a little disjointed here. Just thinking out loud.

You're far more cogniscent (I know I spelled that wrong!) than you think.
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Chase her.
Chase her even when she's yours.
That's the only way you'll be assured to never lose her.