Is abortion ever the MORE ethical choice over giving birth?

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FarLeftFist
 
Is abortion ever the MORE ethical choice over giving birth?

Link: http://freethoughtblogs.com/blaghag/2012/05/when-abortion-is-the-more-ethical-choice/

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So, why did I make that update? I wasn’t looking to be convinced - I already thought there are many, many situations where abortion is the more ethical choice over giving birth. But I never see abortion framed in terms of being “more ethical.” I always see it described as this necessary evil that we all have to feel sad and guilty about. That the choice must be a terrible struggle only allowable when followed by a certain amount of weeping and self-destruction as penance. We never talk about women who decided to give birth in those situations as making the less ethical choice. Birth is by default seen as morally superior and self sacrificing, when there are a number of situation where it is actually the unethical choice.

I obviously still think women have the right to choose either way. Forcing a woman to give birth or get an abortion against her will is so unethical it trumps the other arguments about ethics, at least in my mind. But I hate whenever I find a thread in 2XC where a woman says “I don’t feel guilty about my abortion…is something wrong with me?” No, nothing is wrong with you…something is wrong with our culture.

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Xipe Totec
1. Given the way the question is posed, the answer is obviously yes.

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Is abortion ever the MORE ethical choice over giving birth? Of course it is.

But that's not really the issue, is it?

The question is who is in the best moral position to make that call? The mother, or some clueless bastard who has no skin in the game.

So let me get this straight, only the mother, the individual, has the right to decide whether her unborn child has the right to live or not, and only the government, some clueless bastard who has no skin in the game, has the moral authority to dictate if the individual buys health insurance, what kind he has to buy, and they also get to dictate how the individual helps the poor, and 1000 other things that liberals want the feds to decide for us.

 

Politicalboi
2. I think it's terrible

To bring an unwanted child into this world. If the mother isn't ready, abortion should ALWAYS be there. And she shouldn't feel bad about it. It's more humane for everyone.

jberryhill
3. I am a man. I do not pretend to know.

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And as such, I am spectacularly disqualified from further pretending that if I had an opinion, it is one which should be imposed on women.

I'm not a dog so I am disqualified from having an opinion whether eating dog is bad or not.

BlueIris
10. I don't waste time worrying about whether OTHER INDIVIDUAL's choices

are "ethical" or not.

I bet if a rich person does something you don't like with their own money then you care how they behave.

Kath1
12. Yes

It should be the decision of the woman and her health care provider. No guilt, no shame. This is 2012. As unbelievable as it may sound to fundamentalists and others, some of the most loving, caring and nurturing women I have ever met met have had abortions. They struggled with the decision and made the choice which was right for them. I have a child and she was by choice. She knows that and is very pro-choice, herself. The "ethical" decision is to do right by yourself.

 

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

Kath1
12. Yes

It should be the decision of the woman and her health care provider. No guilt, no shame. This is 2012. As unbelievable as it may sound to fundamentalists and others, some of the most loving, caring and nurturing women I have ever met met have had abortions. They struggled with the decision and made the choice which was right for them. I have a child and she was by choice. She knows that and is very pro-choice, herself. The "ethical" decision is to do right by yourself.

And therein lies the Democrat Platform.

[txradioguy]

Only DUmmies think murder is somehow an "ethical" choice.

[Zeus]

I would think that if someone doesn't want a child the ethical thing to do is not get pregnant. Novel concept I know but Biologically sound.

[txradioguy]

I would think that if someone doesn't want a child the ethical thing to do is not get pregnant. Novel concept I know but Biologically sound.

There you go applying common sense to the DUmmies "thought process" again. 

[obumazombie]

There you go applying common sense to the DUmmies "thought process" again. 

Double

[BannedFromDU]

     None of this should surprise anyone. Liberals will always opt for the decision that avoids making even the slightest absolute moral judgment as applied to themselves. If there are no moral absolutes, then any behavior is not only defensible, but it is responsible. The scads of posts on DU about abortion are nothing more than a group of drug-addled morons desperately seeking permission from others for things they are morally unsure of for themselves.

     Lurking DUmmies, let me help you with something: when you turn to other people for approval of your lifestyle choices and you still don't feel utter moral certitude, then you don't have the values you claim to have.

     Of course, when it comes to things that affect other people, like taxes, then their morals and ethics are crystal clear: TAKE. RESTRICT. LIMIT.

[MrsSmith]

The only ethical decision to abort is when the mother's life is in danger. 

If you will lose 2 lives, you must do whatever it takes to save at least 1. 

Beyond that, if the circumstance does not allow you to kill a newborn, a 2 year old, a 5 year old, a teenager, then that circumstance also does not allow you to kill a child before birth. 

To the DUmmies, if you can't see the child, then "it's" just a lump.  "It" isn't a child until you can actually see "it."  To those with brains, we understand that the child after birth is the same child that was conceived.  There is no level of development, no location, no amount of dependence that reduces the humanity of that child...no magic line where "it" becomes "he or she."  The "he or she" was there at the moment of conception.

[obumazombie]

The only ethical decision to abort is when the mother's life is in danger. 

If you will lose 2 lives, you must do whatever it takes to save at least 1. 

Beyond that, if the circumstance does not allow you to kill a newborn, a 2 year old, a 5 year old, a teenager, then that circumstance also does not allow you to kill a child before birth. 

To the DUmmies, if you can't see the child, then "it's" just a lump.  "It" isn't a child until you can actually see "it."  To those with brains, we understand that the child after birth is the same child that was conceived.  There is no level of development, no location, no amount of dependence that reduces the humanity of that child...no magic line where "it" becomes "he or she."  The "he or she" was there at the moment of conception.

That's why libs hate the sonogram so much.

[Zeus]

It's been a couple yrs but at one time PP own stats showed that less than 3% of all abortions performed were because of an incident of Rape,incest or to save the life of the mother. In other words 97% of all abortions performed were for convenience. Where is the morality in that.

[obumazombie]

It's been a couple yrs but at one time PP own stats showed that less than 3% of all abortions performed were because of an incident of Rape,incest or to save the life of the mother. In other words 97% of all abortions performed were for convenience. Where is the morality in that.

Abortion as birth control, the lazy way.

[Doubleplusungood]

I would think that if someone doesn't want a child the ethical thing to do is not get pregnant. Novel concept I know but Biologically sound.

100% success rate too.

[BEG]

BlueIris
10. I don't waste time worrying about whether OTHER INDIVIDUAL's choices

are "ethical" or not.

Well that is good to know, then I can murder someone important to you and not worry the you will judge me. 

[jukin]

I think we all know the difference between ethical and moral. That is a distinction completely lost on a DUche.

[USA4ME]

I think we all know the difference between ethical and moral.

Agreed.  There's a lot of things that could be viewed as ethical, but if it's immoral then it's not hard to re-examine the situation and see that what you initially thought was ethical was, in fact, not ethical.

For instance, if one views suicide as being immoral, then to ask the question "Which is more ethical; to kill yourself by jumping off a tall bridge or to shoot yourself in front of your family?" automatically takes a backseat to the main concern, which is what does it matter since, either way, it's immoral?

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[delilahmused]

I have no idea how to bring this over so I'm linking to it...any of you DUmmies that go watch it need to turn down the volume because your ears will be offended by the Christian music. However, ANY of you who would chose to kill that precious child, you have no soul.

People asked her why she wouldn't abort her baby - this is her answer.

Honestly, I don't see how any mother can watch this and not cry.

Cindie

[sybilll]

I have no idea how to bring this over so I'm linking to it...any of you DUmmies that go watch it need to turn down the volume because your ears will be offended by the Christian music. However, ANY of you who would chose to kill that precious child, you have no soul.

People asked her why she wouldn't abort her baby - this is her answer.

Honestly, I don't see how any mother can watch this and not cry.

Cindie

Oh my, I bawled.  I am in awe of the strength of that priceless young mother.  God Bless Her and that precious baby.

[AprilRazz]

I am going to offer my services to any primitive free of charge. I have plenty of suture material and can sew you up tight. You choose. Either I can sew your knees together or suture up your naughty bits. That would take care of the need to get an abortion.

[MrsSmith]

I am going to offer my services to any primitive free of charge. I have plenty of suture material and can sew you up tight. You choose. Either I can sew your knees together or suture up your naughty bits. That would take care of the need to get an abortion.

And for those males out there, I've assisted with neutering numerous male animals, will offer to whip those "mountain oysters" right out of there for you.  No charge, I'll even through in the couple stitches it'll take.   

[Karin]

suture up your naughty bits

  Well that should be perfect.  Muslims do this, with the bridegroom unlacing his bride on the wedding night.  Quite painful, as you can imagine.  But, the DUmp denizens would be honoring this rich culture by participating in a treasured ritual.  Wouldn't it therefore be racist to not emulate the practices and ethos of a grand and time-honored Muslim tradition, in the interest of diversity?

 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Is it really ethical to bring a liberal into such a troubled world?

It's not like we can afford to feed them.

[obumazombie]

Is it really ethical to bring a liberal into such a troubled world?

It's not like we can afford to feed them.

Before I attempt to answer that question, is it rhetorical ?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Before I attempt to answer that question, is it rhetorical ?

Yes, but grace us anyway.

[obumazombie]

Yes, but grace us anyway.

Then I would answer, No !
I find it is quite troubling to include ethical and liberal in the same sentence.
P.S. I was hoping someone would see the irony of my question.
I always try to answer a rhetorical question with a rhetorical question.
Somewhere my attempt got a flat tire.

[docstew]

Is it really ethical to bring a liberal into such a troubled world?

It's not like we can afford to feed them.

Considering that they consistently say that the planet is overcrowded, I think the only ethical choice for them to make is not only to abort, but to kill themselves. I encourage them to do so and take some of the burden off of dear Mother Earth.