On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Besides which, Texas will turn blue in a few election cycles...
-Laelth

 

[Laelth]

"Thesis?"

You writing some kind of college-boy paper, so you're collecting "data?" Is that it, Laelth?

I seem to remember bitchslapping you before. Since you've resurrected yourself, gotta be time to do that again.

*sigh*

Some trolls just don't learn.

Nice to see you too, Eupher.  And thanks for the bitch-slap.   

-Laelth

[Laelth]

Jim Crow laws were pushed by DEMOCRATS. Racist Dems, at that.

Is there any other kind of Dem besides racist?

I'm genuinely curious! 

Generally speaking, you are absolutely correct.  You'll note, I hope, that I said conservatives fought for those laws (just like they fought against the integration of the military).  I did not say anything about the Democratic Party (which has always had its share of conservatives).

-Laelth

[Eupher]

Generally speaking, you are absolutely correct.  You'll note, I hope, that I said conservatives fought for those laws (just like they fought against the integration of the military).  I did not say anything about the Democratic Party (which has always had its share of conservatives).

-Laelth

yeah, I caught your non-sequitur. Nobody said anything about fighting against the integration of the military. Stop mixing apples and oranges.

I specifically said that Dems (and there were a bunch of them) who voted for Jim Crow laws.

You're chasing the same tired story that all victims of public education have been spoon-fed -- that conservatives are racist.

Not so. At least none that I know of.

You have some specific examples of how CONSERVATIVES pushed for Jim Crow laws? A link or two will do nicely. And make sure those links are from reputable sources.

HuffPo and the Daily Kos won't cut it.

[Dori]

Has the left won on the great social issues?

I think that's a great subject to discuss here.

I wouldn't consider that abortion, gay marriage and drug legalization are great wins.  As for civil rights, that has always been a conservative value.  If you think that's a win for liberals, then you don't know your history.  The reasons there are so many black people in prison isn't a civil rights issue, that is a failure created by the left. 

But the real question isn't if the left has won, but has America won, and I don't see where they have.

I do see the socialist way as the pathway to communism, which should be sending up red flags to every American and not celebrated by anyone.



 

[Eupher]

Has the left won on the great social issues?

I think that's a great subject to discuss here.

I wouldn't consider that abortion, gay marriage and drug legalization are great wins.  As for civil rights, that has always been a conservative value.  If you think that's a win for liberals, then you don't know your history.  The reasons there are so many black people in prison isn't a civil rights issue, that is a failure created by the left. 

But the real question isn't if the left has won, but has America won, and I don't see where they have.

I do see the socialist way as the pathway to communism, which should be sending up red flags to every American and not celebrated by anyone.

Dori, before you engage in further discussions with this troll, please note that he has a long and checkered history here.

Laelth comes in, shits on the carpet, then leaves for another year or two before he finds himself back in Mommy's basement with nothing to do, so he comes in here and shits on the carpet again.

I'm glad I'm not the one cleaning his mess up.

[Splashdown]

On abortion, it's mostly leftists getting aborted/doing the aborting, while we reich-wing rethugs are having our babies. The problem will take care of itself in a few generations, I think.

[Dori]

Dori, before you engage in further discussions with this troll, please note that he has a long and checkered history here.

Laelth comes in, shits on the carpet, then leaves for another year or two before he finds himself back in Mommy's basement with nothing to do, so he comes in here and shits on the carpet again.

I'm glad I'm not the one cleaning his mess up.

I'm confused.

There are many here who have said to liberals, that they are welcome to come here, and wouldn't be treated like they are at the DUmp.

I don't know this members history here, so I guess my question is, are they really welcome here?


 

[Eupher]

I'm confused.

There are many here who have said to liberals, that they are welcome to come here, and wouldn't be treated like they are at the DUmp.

I don't know this members history here, so I guess my question is, are they really welcome here?

No need to be confused. If you want to engage Laelth, go right ahead. Nobody stopping you. Just tried to give you some history on him.

[wasp69]

1. Abortion.  

You consider at will killing of the unborn a "victory"?  What does that say about your values?

2. Gay Marriage.  Already legal in several states, and it will become legal in all 50 states (except, perhaps, Utah) within the next 20 years.

Based upon what?  Its passage in liberal controlled states shows no real nationwide trend.

3. MJ legalization.  Already legal in Washington and Colorado, it won't be long before MJ is legal for growth, sale, and recreational use in all 50 states.

No basis for this observation, either.  Using Amsterdam as a model, I suspect that will be overturned in time as well.

4. Civil Rights.  

Never was a "left" victory.  Unless, that is, you want to count all of the discrimination codified into Federal Law that various leftists have managed to pull off.

Incidentally, there are more blacks in prison because they commit more of the crimes.  Did you bother to factor that in?

5. Many more.  

A socially liberal country?  One that just showed the real third rail in politics is the Second Amendment?  You have a bit too much confidence in the face of the lib agenda starting to be rejected.

[Laelth]

yeah, I caught your non-sequitur. Nobody said anything about fighting against the integration of the military. Stop mixing apples and oranges.

I specifically said that Dems (and there were a bunch of them) who voted for Jim Crow laws.

You're chasing the same tired story that all victims of public education have been spoon-fed -- that conservatives are racist.

Not so. At least none that I know of.

You have some specific examples of how CONSERVATIVES pushed for Jim Crow laws? A link or two will do nicely. And make sure those links are from reputable sources.

HuffPo and the Daily Kos won't cut it.

Eupher, I agreed with you that Democrats fought for Jim Crow laws.  I don't see why I need to do research and provide links when I am agreeing with you.

-Laelth

[Laelth]

I'm confused.

There are many here who have said to liberals, that they are welcome to come here, and wouldn't be treated like they are at the DUmp.

I don't know this members history here, so I guess my question is, are they really welcome here?

Dori, you are very kind, and I appreciate it.  I consider myself a "guest" here, and I post here knowing full well that I am going to be subject to a certain amount of abuse.  I just try to be civil.  Sometimes I get civility back.  Frank, being the good and decent person he is, allows me to post, and I am thankful for that.

Either way, we're all Americans (mostly, I think), and I see no reason not to engage other intelligent and thoughtful people who care about this country.  Even here ...

 

-Laelth

[Freeper]

The fact that you are gloating that abortion is legal tells me all I need to know about you.

You pro abortion people make me sick.

[Freeper]

Insult and attack aside, do you see any way that abortion will become illegal in the United States within the next 40 years?  I don't.



-Laelth

Hopefully people will start having a conscience and ban a barbaric procedure. As medical science progresses and more people see that what you call a clump of cells is a human more people will oppose this form of legalized murder.

[txradioguy]

Hopefully people will start having a conscience and ban a barbaric procedure. As medical science progresses and more people see that what you call a clump of cells is a human more people will oppose this form of legalized murder.

QFT

[txradioguy]

So, I ask, do you agree or disagree?  Has the left already won on all the great social issues of the day, or not?

No.

Next stupid question.

[Laelth]

You consider at will killing of the unborn a "victory"?  What does that say about your values?

I want to know why the Republican Party didn't ban abortion when they had the chance from 2003-2006.  My hunch is that they didn't do it because (as I suggested) "the left" has already won on that issue.  Whether that's a good thing or not is another topic altogether.

Based upon what?  Its passage in liberal controlled states shows no real nationwide trend.

Here, we're talking about gay marriage.  Obviously, you don't think the left has "won" on this issue.  Fine.  I appreciate your insight on this.

No basis for this observation, either.  Using Amsterdam as a model, I suspect that will be overturned in time as well.

Here we're talking about MJ legalization.  Obviously, you don't think the left has "won" on this issue either.  Fine.  Again, I appreciate your insight, though I suspect this movement is global, now, and you may see a lot of change on this front in a very short period of time.  As state governments lose more and more federal funding, they will look to other sources of revenue, and MJ is some really big low-hanging fruit just waiting to be taxed.

Never was a "left" victory.  Unless, that is, you want to count all of the discrimination codified into Federal Law that various leftists have managed to pull off.

Civil Rights was never a victory for "the left," huh?  My history is a little rusty, but I can't buy that one.  All the same, and regardless of who deserves credit, we have made tremendous progress on this issue, and I am very proud of my country for it.

A socially liberal country?  One that just showed the real third rail in politics is the Second Amendment?  You have a bit too much confidence in the face of the lib agenda starting to be rejected.

As I mentioned to another poster, I see gun control as a Constitutional issue, not a social issue (though it has elements of both).  I am opposed to further attempts to control the sale and possession of guns for a number of reasons, but, again, I don't really see this as a social issue.  It's certainly not, as you rightly note, an issue that the left has "won" in any way.  On this issue the left is quite divided.  The proponents of gun control, however, have clearly lost for the time being.

Thank you for your thoughtful responses.

-Laelth

[txradioguy]

God I read this trolls posts and lose 5 IQ points every time.

[Laelth]

Hopefully people will start having a conscience and ban a barbaric procedure. As medical science progresses and more people see that what you call a clump of cells is a human more people will oppose this form of legalized murder.

Interesting.  You actually see abortion being banned in the United States in the near future?  That's a response I did not expect.  Thanks.

btw, I never called anyone or anything a "clump of cells," neither here nor elsewhere, but I realize that, in this forum, I am a straw-man for all kinds of beliefs that are associated with "the left," so I'll let this issue slide.

-Laelth

[txradioguy]

I am a straw-man for all kinds of beliefs that are associated with "the left," so I'll let this issue slide.

We didn't make you that.  Stop with the martyr complex.

[Crazy Horse]

Interesting.  You actually see abortion being banned in the United States in the near future?  That's a response I did not expect.  Thanks.

btw, I never called anyone or anything a "clump of cells," neither here nor elsewhere, but I realize that, in this forum, I am a straw-man for all kinds of beliefs that are associated with "the left," so I'll let this issue slide.

-Laelth

Then why don't you make your beliefs known and quit acting like a scrunt fart.

[txradioguy]

Then why don't you make your beliefs known and quit acting like a scrunt fart.

It's a Liberal and they never do that willingly.

[Eupher]

Eupher, I agreed with you that Democrats fought for Jim Crow laws.  I don't see why I need to do research and provide links when I am agreeing with you.

-Laelth

Yes, you did. And then immediately compared THOSE Democrats to conservatives.

How 'bout them racist Dems, Laelth? Gonna throw a brick through THAT window?

[Big Dog]

My argument is that "the left" has already won on all the great social issues of our time.  

The great error in your statement is the idea that you listed "the great social issues of our time."  In promoting leftist policies as the cure-all for  the "great social issues" of his time, a Democrat president once said, "“I'll have those ******s voting Democratic for the next 200 years."  Nothing has changed for the left.

Try this little mental exercise, leftie: The power is shut off in your entire state for two weeks. No running water. No sanitation. No stores selling groceries. No phone service. No Internet. No gas at the gas pumps. No public transportation. No law enforcement. No fire service. Who gives a shit about same sex marriage now?

Now extend it to two months. Are you eating rats, or have you moved on to eating your neighbors? That is a great social issue.

Here is an important social issue: Suckling from the government teat. What will the helpless leftists do when Unca Suga's milk tit runs dry? What will you do about the rioting ghetto dwellers who expect you to feed them?

How about this: Crushing our children and grandchildren with ballooning government debt and devaluing money. Have you ever heard of the Wiemar Republic? We're almost there.

Here is another: The systematic destruction of the American spirit of adventure and self-reliance. How many generations do you envision from you to abject slavery?

On the real social issues of our time, the left is ass-backwards and moving father to the rear all the time.

[whiffleball]

Points 1-3 could very well reverse course when the fallout from each has become apparent.  Until  100% of the states pass favorable laws it's hardly a Win.

There's so much in 4 that you purposefully neglect. 

"While the SCOTUS has neutered the Civil Rights Act of 1965, it's clear that the races in this country are moving towards parity in terms of their legal rights."  Moving towards parity?  There is parity now.  Some simply refuse to think beyond their days instant gratification. 

"This change is slow (still far more black men in prison than white men, as a percentage of the total population), but it is coming."  Failing to address why the incarceration rate of blacks exceed other races makes any argument null.  Hint:  glorification and emulation of thug culture, demise of personal responsibility, reliance on government for daily existence, death of the family unit.

Mr. Mann has brought up several areas that are, indeed, social issues.   Why the hesitation to address them?  As an attorney you should be prepared to respond.