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It's not often that I post a new thread here at CC, but I wanted to give all of you the chance to chew on this liberal chew-toy for a bit so that I can get your responses to this thesis.  My argument is that "the left" has already won on all the great social issues of our time.  Sooner or later (and probably sooner) we'll see all these "advances" codified into law.  Here's the list:

1. Abortion.  Still legal, even though the Republicans who controlled all of government from 2003-2006 could have made it illegal.  They didn't, and they never will.  While some further restrictions to this right have passed in various state legislatures, those will be repealed in time.  Nobody has the political guts to actually strip this right away from women, and I don't see that happening any time soon.

2. Gay Marriage.  Already legal in several states, and it will become legal in all 50 states (except, perhaps, Utah) within the next 20 years.

3. MJ legalization.  Already legal in Washington and Colorado, it won't be long before MJ is legal for growth, sale, and recreational use in all 50 states.

4. Civil Rights.  While the SCOTUS has neutered the Voting Rights Act of 1965, it's clear that the races in this country are moving towards parity in terms of their legal rights.  This change is slow (still far more black men in prison than white men, as a percentage of the total population), but it is coming.  We even have a 1/2 black President.  The differences in income and power between the races in the United States is narrowing.

5. Many more.  In numerous ways, we are seeing the development of a country that is socially very liberal, far more so than I imagine the posters on this forum would like.

So, I ask, do you agree or disagree?  Has the left already won on all the great social issues of the day, or not?

What's your opinion?  

-Laelth


Edit:Laelth--It was the Voting Rights Act of 1965 that was recently neutered, not the Civil Rights Act of 1964.  My bad.
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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2013, 11:27:49 AM »
Gun rights--Left has LOST. Time and again Americans recognize the fundamental freedoms of owning a gun.
Gun grabbing cost the Rats the congress in 94 and the presidency in 2000. (Al Gore lost his home state of Tennessee in 2000 over gun rights. Had he been able to win his own home state, he would have been president instead of the loser he now is.)
    Gun grabbing even cost two senators from Colorado their seats in a recall election. What sent shockwaves throughout the left was these were two "safe seats" from strong liberal districts.
--The draconian gun laws in the NE states in the aftermath of a mass shooting remains largely ignored by the gun owners there.

In places with strict guns laws like Chicago and DC, the crime rate continues unabated. and the left seems unconcerned about stopping crime in those places.

What have people learned: The left wants law abiding people disarmed and cares nothing if criminals use guns.

so tell me Mr liberal asswipe? Why is the left so intent on disarming the law abiding people and not the criminals? Why is crime worse in Shitcago and Detroit than in Phoenix?

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Foreign policy: Obama is an utter embarassment here. Our allies don't trust us, and our enemies don't love us (in spite of Obamas apology tour). The Left is now defined by Bengahzi and Syria. Obama's buddies were thrown out of power in Egypt.

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Healthcare. The left said prices would go down, instead they are up, by $20,000 per family.
The left said you could see your own doctor...LIE. Doctors are opting out of Obamacare in droves. The govt health plans are now dependent on nurses and non-doctors treating patients.
Death panels are real, they are just called waiting lists. surgeries you could get in a moments notice a year ago will take 6+ years to get in 2015.

70% of the people are against the ACA, and want it repealed.
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Tea party. They're taking over the GOP. Despite the IRS attempting to block their formation, the ranks are swelling. Tea party senators and congressmen are wildly popular in their districts and don't fear rocking the boat in DC. Boehner is no Tea Party man, but even he is helpless to resist their influence

the govt shut down. The threats of the Left couldn't stop it. people are not afraid of the left's machine anymore. two days and no one in America is feeling the pain. The phone lines aren't melting in DC.
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Socialized auto industry. Since the govt took over the bankrupt auto plants, the auto industry has made cars NO ONE WANTS...or even can afford. No govt motors plan has yet to make a profit.
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Environment No one believes in global warming. the Carbon tax the left wanted is non existant. The Kyoto treaty couldn't even pass a filibusterer-proof democratic congress.
---in fact, every single "green industry that got millions of stimulus money is bankrupt. The millions of jobs in the green industry never materialized.
---now we know the millions of govt money was just to pay off Obama supporters.
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The economy and JOBS. Obama swore this would be his first priority, and he ignored it
the economy is in shables, and people are facing a future of part time jobs because of Obamacare (29 hours a week). Obama has done NOTHING to increase jobs.

recent states show the number of people working part time jobs approaching 50%. The largest private employer is not Walmart, but temp agencies.
---can't blame that on Bush


Bottom line. It seems to me your proclamation of victory is premature.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2013, 11:38:54 AM by Mr Mannn »

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2013, 11:31:03 AM »
Yep.

I guess we should just surrender.

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2013, 11:34:52 AM »
Oh, so the destruction of the stable family, the evisceration of morality, hope, and civility is a "win" in your book?

Tells me all I ****in need to know about you, ****tard.
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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2013, 11:39:02 AM »
I have never seen a leftist initiated program that was successful. They are all failures like them.
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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2013, 11:49:37 AM »
Gun rights--Left has LOST. Time and again Americans recognize the fundamental freedoms of owning a gun.
Gun grabbing cost the Rats the congress in 94 and the presidency in 2000. (Al Gore lost his home state of Tennessee in 2000 over gun rights. Had he been able to win his own home state, he would have been president instead of the loser he now is.)
    Gun grabbing even cost two senators from Colorado their seats in a recall election. What sent shockwaves throughout the left was these were two "safe seats" from strong liberal districts.
--The draconian gun laws in the NE states in the aftermath of a mass shooting remains largely ignored by the gun owners there.

In places with strict guns laws like Chicago and DC, the crime rate continues unabated. and the left seems unconcerned about stopping crime in those places.

What have people learned: The left wants law abiding people disarmed and cares nothing if criminals use guns.

so tell me Mr liberal asswipe? Why is the left so intent on disarming the law abiding people and not the criminals? Why is crime worse in Shitcago and Detroit than in Phoenix?

I see the gun control/gun rights issue as Constitutional, not social.  I took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States, and if the SCOTUS says that the right to own a firearm is an individual right, as opposed to a collective/state right (and they have said that), then I accept that as the law of the land.  As a practical matter, however, I have encouraged Democrats to drop the gun control issue.  It's a loser for the party, as a whole, and it's clear that the time has not yet come for major changes in our gun control laws. 

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Foreign policy: Obama is an utter embarassment here. Our allies don't trust us, and our enemies don't love us (in spite of Obamas apology tour). The Left is now defined by Bengahzi and Syria. Obama's buddies were thrown out of power in Egypt.

.................................................................................
Healthcare. The left said prices would go down, instead they are up, by $20,000 per family.
The left said you could see your own doctor...LIE. Doctors are opting out of Obamacare in droves. The govt health plans are now dependent on nurses and non-doctors treating patients.
Death panels are real, they are just called waiting lists. surgeries you could get in a moments notice a year ago will take 6+ years to get in 2015.

70% of the people are against the ACA, and want it repealed.
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Tea party. They're taking over the GOP. Despite the IRS attempting to block their formation, the ranks are swelling. Tea party senators and congressmen are wildly popular in their districts and don't fear rocking the boat in DC. Boehner is no Tea Party man, but even he is helpless to resist their influence

the govt shut down. The threats of the Left couldn't stop it. people are not afraid of the left's machine anymore. two days and no one in America is feeling the pain. The phone lines aren't melting in DC.
........................
Socialized auto industry. Since the govt took over the bankrupt auto plants, the auto industry has made cars NO ONE WANTS...or even can afford. No govt motors plan has yet to make a profit.
...............................................................
Environment No one believes in global warming. the Carbon tax the left wanted is non existant. The Kyoto treaty couldn't even pass a filibusterer-proof democratic congress.
---in fact, every single "green industry that got millions of stimulus money is bankrupt. The millions of jobs in the green industry never materialized.
---now we know the millions of govt money was just to pay off Obama supporters.
...........................................................
The economy and JOBS. Obama swore this would be his first priority, and he ignored it
the economy is in shables, and people are facing a future of part time jobs because of Obamacare (29 hours a week). Obama has done NOTHING to increase jobs.

recent states show the number of people working part time jobs approaching 50%. The largest private employer is not Walmart, but temp agencies.
---can't blame that on Bush

Bottom line. It seems to me your proclamation of victory is premature.

While it's clear that you have a great number of things that you'd like to talk to me about, because this chew toy is going to get a lot of attention, I have to keep my responses focused on the social issues that are the subject of my OP.  That said, I do appreciate your response.

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2013, 11:52:02 AM »
Yep.

I guess we should just surrender.

 :whatever:
I didn't ask for a surrender, nor would I expect you to surrender if you felt strongly about any of these issues.  The question is, do you agree?  Are my predictions on target, or do you think something else will happen?  I am genuinely curious.

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2013, 11:54:39 AM »

While it's clear that you have a great number of things that you'd like to talk to me about, because this chew toy is going to get a lot of attention, I have to keep my responses focused on the social issues that are the subject of my OP.  That said, I do appreciate your response.

-Laelth
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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2013, 11:56:00 AM »
Oh, so the destruction of the stable family, the evisceration of morality, hope, and civility is a "win" in your book?

Tells me all I ****in need to know about you, ****tard.
It's a "win" for the left, and that's how I framed the question.  Whether that's a good thing for the country is another question altogether.  Obviously, you have strong feelings on the issue.

The question, though, is whether or not my thesis is correct.  Do you agree, or not?

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2013, 11:58:14 AM »
I have never seen a leftist initiated program that was successful. They are all failures like them.
While I could list a host of liberal measures that have been wildly successful, the point of this thread is to get your opinion on the social issues I listed in the OP.  What do you think about those?  Are my predictions correct?  What's your opinion?



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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2013, 12:02:09 PM »
It's pretty obvious that gay boy Laelth isn't here to discuss anything.
I'll Hi5 anyone who insults the gay boy or posts kitties, pie, bacon, or boobs.

bottom line: this is a discussion board. if you're afraid to discuss find another place to troll.




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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2013, 12:04:32 PM »
Doesn't matter what social  issues the left has won....it will all be thrown out the window when they finally win complete control.
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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2013, 12:06:11 PM »
If you think winning at killing babies is a great social achievement then you suck bad.  That's disgusting.






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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2013, 12:08:43 PM »
Nice dodge, coward. I already bitch-slapped you so I'll have to wait an hour to do it again.
LOL.  Have at it.  I will consider it a badge of honor to have the lowest possible negative reputation on this site, even though, in truth, I consider all of you cave-dwellers to be American patriots who are interested enough in this country to think about it, read about it, and even write about it in a public forum.

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2013, 12:12:13 PM »
If you think winning at killing babies is a great social achievement then you suck bad.  That's disgusting.
Insult and attack aside, do you see any way that abortion will become illegal in the United States within the next 40 years?  I don't.



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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2013, 12:14:10 PM »
It's pretty obvious that gay boy Laelth isn't here to discuss anything.
I'll Hi5 anyone who insults the gay boy or posts kitties, pie, bacon, or boobs.

bottom line: this is a discussion board. if you're afraid to discuss find another place to troll.




Dude, and I assume you are a dude, that's lame.

just my 2 cents ...

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2013, 12:21:03 PM »
Insult and attack aside, do you see any way that abortion will become illegal in the United States within the next 40 years?  I don't.



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Illegal? No. Restricted? Yep. Look at Texas.
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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2013, 12:22:27 PM »
Insult and attack aside, do you see any way that abortion will become illegal in the United States within the next 40 years?  I don't.



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Well with the left taking God and morals out of everything, no.  Killing babies is a fun sport and right for the left.






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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2013, 12:24:23 PM »
Doesn't matter what social  issues the left has won....it will all be thrown out the window when they finally win complete control.
Not sure I am following you, here.  While I think it's true that the Democratic Party will probably control national politics for a generation following the 2020 census, I am curious to know what you think will be "thrown out the window" when that happens.



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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2013, 12:27:49 PM »
Illegal? No. Restricted? Yep. Look at Texas.
I noted in the OP that a number of states have passed further restrictions on abortion, but none of them is willing to abolish the practice.  Our conservative SCOTUS won't even touch the issue.  Besides which, Texas will turn blue in a few election cycles, and I suspect that these restrictions will be abolished like the Jim Crow laws conservatives fought for in the 1960s.  Do you disagree?



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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2013, 12:30:29 PM »
"Thesis?"

You writing some kind of college-boy paper, so you're collecting "data?" Is that it, Laelth?

I seem to remember bitchslapping you before. Since you've resurrected yourself, gotta be time to do that again.

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Re: On all the great social issues of our time, "The Left" has already won.
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2013, 12:32:28 PM »
I noted in the OP that a number of states have passed further restrictions on abortion, but none of them is willing to abolish the practice.  Our conservative SCOTUS won't even touch the issue.  Besides which, Texas will turn blue in a few election cycles, and I suspect that these restrictions will be abolished like the Jim Crow laws conservatives fought for in the 1960s.  Do you disagree?



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Jim Crow laws were pushed by DEMOCRATS. Racist Dems, at that.

Is there any other kind of Dem besides racist?

I'm genuinely curious!  :whatever:
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