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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2008, 10:22:40 PM »
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Too bad his first instinct was to jump in feet first in a very lame attempt to court media favor.

He's backed off now that his own guys have told him he can't win by angering Republicans but since his first instinct is always, first, second, and always, to be liked by the media, it will probably happen over and over again.

I wonder if there is a chapter of Media Whores Anonymous he could attend?

When the general election rolls around, he will see first hand the contempt they have for him. They are going to smear him to no end because liberals are foaming at the mouth to take back the W.H.

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« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2008, 10:32:07 PM »
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Too bad his first instinct was to jump in feet first in a very lame attempt to court media favor.

He's backed off now that his own guys have told him he can't win by angering Republicans but since his first instinct is always, first, second, and always, to be liked by the media, it will probably happen over and over again.

I wonder if there is a chapter of Media Whores Anonymous he could attend?

When the general election rolls around, he will see first hand the contempt they have for him. They are going to smear him to no end because liberals are foaming at the mouth to take back the W.H.

They have a decent chance of taking back the W.H. IMO.   McCain is pretty unappealing to a lot of conservatives.  There might be a ground swell of say home-ism come November for many conservatives.

I know many conservatives that have claimed they simply will not vote for a liberal-lite, which McCain seems to be to many.

I myself am unsure if I will vote for him or not.

Some think that the US is due for another revolution; so why not let a true socialist get in office and kick it off?

It's gonna happen sooner or later if world history is any guide line.  So why not get it over with.
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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2008, 10:35:30 PM »
I don't think that McCain understands southern conservatives.  If he keeps pissing them off he will lose the election regardless of how many independents he might pick up.

p.s.  Hell, I don't think the man understands real conservatives period.

I think that the thought of Baroque Obama or (God forbid) Hillary in the white house would be enough
to get our base to the polls.  conservatives are still disappointed with the nominee, but once the general
starts up, the contrast between mccain and (probably) obama will be much more compelling.


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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2008, 10:35:44 PM »
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Too bad his first instinct was to jump in feet first in a very lame attempt to court media favor.

He's backed off now that his own guys have told him he can't win by angering Republicans but since his first instinct is always, first, second, and always, to be liked by the media, it will probably happen over and over again.

I wonder if there is a chapter of Media Whores Anonymous he could attend?

When the general election rolls around, he will see first hand the contempt they have for him. They are going to smear him to no end because liberals are foaming at the mouth to take back the W.H.
The first rule of being a narcissist or an egomaniac is believing the media loves you even as they are tearing you to shreds.  So, I will have to wait and see.  If McCain's reaction to the media rending him is to simply throw more Republicans and conservatives under the bus, then there would be very little point in supporting him.

McCain has to acknowledge he is powerless against his addiction to media love.

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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2008, 10:38:27 PM »
I don't think that McCain understands southern conservatives.  If he keeps pissing them off he will lose the election regardless of how many independents he might pick up.

p.s.  Hell, I don't think the man understands real conservatives period.

I think that the thought of Baroque Obama or (God forbid) Hillary in the white house would be enough
to get our base to the polls.  conservatives are still disappointed with the nominee, but once the general
starts up, the contrast between mccain and (probably) obama will be much more compelling.



You may be correct about that.  Time will tell in the coming months.

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But I also think that there is a growing number of conservatives that are getting damn sick and tired of being forced to pick between the lessor of two evils.

In this current upcoming election; that boils down to voting for a liberal-lite that has proven his willingness to cave into the wishes of the liberals, or to not vote at all.

« Last Edit: May 01, 2008, 10:45:43 PM by rich_t »
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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2008, 10:41:57 PM »
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Too bad his first instinct was to jump in feet first in a very lame attempt to court media favor.

He's backed off now that his own guys have told him he can't win by angering Republicans but since his first instinct is always, first, second, and always, to be liked by the media, it will probably happen over and over again.

I wonder if there is a chapter of Media Whores Anonymous he could attend?

When the general election rolls around, he will see first hand the contempt they have for him. They are going to smear him to no end because liberals are foaming at the mouth to take back the W.H.

They have a decent chance of taking back the W.H. IMO.   McCain is pretty unappealing to a lot of conservatives.  There might be a ground swell of say home-ism come November for many conservatives.

I know many conservatives that have claimed they simply will not vote for a liberal-lite, which McCain seems to be to many.

I myself am unsure if I will vote for him or not.

Some think that the US is due for another revolution; so why not let a true socialist get in office and kick it off?

It's gonna happen sooner or later if world history is any guide line.  So why not get it over with.

what do you mean by "revolution"?  do you mean it in the classical sense, as in the American Revolution?

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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2008, 10:46:52 PM »
I don't think that McCain understands southern conservatives.  If he keeps pissing them off he will lose the election regardless of how many independents he might pick up.

p.s.  Hell, I don't think the man understands real conservatives period.

I think that the thought of Baroque Obama or (God forbid) Hillary in the white house would be enough
to get our base to the polls.  conservatives are still disappointed with the nominee, but once the general
starts up, the contrast between mccain and (probably) obama will be much more compelling.


The whole problem with voting for McCain out of fear of Hilary or that other guy is 1) acting out of fear and 2) we could vote for McCain and he could win and be worse than Hilary or that other guy, the guy with the preacher problem.

He promises not to raise taxes but he's going for the whole Global Warming(TM) hoax agenda which will be a pretty bad tax hike.

Other than throwing his own party under the bus for the love of the media spotlight, he has shown he doesn't mind throwing his whole country under the bus in an attempt to get some love from the Mexican press, I guess.  He claims he heard us, but why should we believe him?

Anyway, the number one thing for me is to not act out of fear.  We ended up with McCain because of an irrational fear of Hilary.  So then I should perpetuate that mistake by acting out of fear to vote for someone slightly less bad that Hilary?

300 million people and the best we can come up with is 3 narcissistic prima donas from the Senate?  Well, I guess 286 million because 14 million are here illegally, but still that is a lot of people to end up with these three as the best choices.
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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2008, 10:52:41 PM »
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Too bad his first instinct was to jump in feet first in a very lame attempt to court media favor.

He's backed off now that his own guys have told him he can't win by angering Republicans but since his first instinct is always, first, second, and always, to be liked by the media, it will probably happen over and over again.

I wonder if there is a chapter of Media Whores Anonymous he could attend?

When the general election rolls around, he will see first hand the contempt they have for him. They are going to smear him to no end because liberals are foaming at the mouth to take back the W.H.

They have a decent chance of taking back the W.H. IMO.   McCain is pretty unappealing to a lot of conservatives.  There might be a ground swell of say home-ism come November for many conservatives.

I know many conservatives that have claimed they simply will not vote for a liberal-lite, which McCain seems to be to many.

I myself am unsure if I will vote for him or not.

Some think that the US is due for another revolution; so why not let a true socialist get in office and kick it off?

It's gonna happen sooner or later if world history is any guide line.  So why not get it over with.

what do you mean by "revolution"?  do you mean it in the classical sense, as in the American Revolution?

Something along those lines is what has happened historically.  I can see it reaching that boiling point in the not so distance future for the US.
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." --Norman Thomas, 1944

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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #33 on: May 01, 2008, 10:58:16 PM »
I don't think that McCain understands southern conservatives.  If he keeps pissing them off he will lose the election regardless of how many independents he might pick up.

p.s.  Hell, I don't think the man understands real conservatives period.

I think that the thought of Baroque Obama or (God forbid) Hillary in the white house would be enough
to get our base to the polls.  conservatives are still disappointed with the nominee, but once the general
starts up, the contrast between mccain and (probably) obama will be much more compelling.


The whole problem with voting for McCain out of fear of Hilary or that other guy is 1) acting out of fear and 2) we could vote for McCain and he could win and be worse than Hilary or that other guy, the guy with the preacher problem.

He promises not to raise taxes but he's going for the whole Global Warming(TM) hoax agenda which will be a pretty bad tax hike.

Other than throwing his own party under the bus for the love of the media spotlight, he has shown he doesn't mind throwing his whole country under the bus in an attempt to get some love from the Mexican press, I guess.  He claims he heard us, but why should we believe him?

Anyway, the number one thing for me is to not act out of fear.  We ended up with McCain because of an irrational fear of Hilary.  So then I should perpetuate that mistake by acting out of fear to vote for someone slightly less bad that Hilary?

300 million people and the best we can come up with is 3 narcissistic prima donas from the Senate?  Well, I guess 286 million because 14 million are here illegally, but still that is a lot of people to end up with these three as the best choices.

I see a huge difference between choosing the (infinitely) lesser of two evils and voting out of "fear".   and there just isn't
any way you can seriously compare mccain and hillary/obama.  mccain's lifetime ACU rating is 82+.  not great, but higher
than, say, thad cochran, from my home state (which I found surprising).  hillary has a lifetime ACU rating of 7.71.  obama
is 7.67.

I understand being disappointed with mccain.  I don't understand how people don't see the obvious difference in their
political philosophies, and how they would govern if elected.

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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2008, 10:59:57 PM »
Quote from: Duke Nukum link=topic=[/quote
Too bad his first instinct was to jump in feet first in a very lame attempt to court media favor.

He's backed off now that his own guys have told him he can't win by angering Republicans but since his first instinct is always, first, second, and always, to be liked by the media, it will probably happen over and over again.

I wonder if there is a chapter of Media Whores Anonymous he could attend?

When the general election rolls around, he will see first hand the contempt they have for him. They are going to smear him to no end because liberals are foaming at the mouth to take back the W.H.

They have a decent chance of taking back the W.H. IMO.   McCain is pretty unappealing to a lot of conservatives.  There might be a ground swell of say home-ism come November for many conservatives.

I know many conservatives that have claimed they simply will not vote for a liberal-lite, which McCain seems to be to many.

I myself am unsure if I will vote for him or not.

Some think that the US is due for another revolution; so why not let a true socialist get in office and kick it off?

It's gonna happen sooner or later if world history is any guide line.  So why not get it over with.

what do you mean by "revolution"?  do you mean it in the classical sense, as in the American Revolution?

Something along those lines is what has happened historically.  I can see it reaching that boiling point in the not so distance future for the US.

do you recall the last time a legitimately elected democratic government was overthrown via armed insurrection?

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« Reply #35 on: May 01, 2008, 11:17:10 PM »
I don't think that McCain understands southern conservatives.  If he keeps pissing them off he will lose the election regardless of how many independents he might pick up.

p.s.  Hell, I don't think the man understands real conservatives period.

I think that the thought of Baroque Obama or (God forbid) Hillary in the white house would be enough
to get our base to the polls.  conservatives are still disappointed with the nominee, but once the general
starts up, the contrast between mccain and (probably) obama will be much more compelling.


The whole problem with voting for McCain out of fear of Hilary or that other guy is 1) acting out of fear and 2) we could vote for McCain and he could win and be worse than Hilary or that other guy, the guy with the preacher problem.

He promises not to raise taxes but he's going for the whole Global Warming(TM) hoax agenda which will be a pretty bad tax hike.

Other than throwing his own party under the bus for the love of the media spotlight, he has shown he doesn't mind throwing his whole country under the bus in an attempt to get some love from the Mexican press, I guess.  He claims he heard us, but why should we believe him?

Anyway, the number one thing for me is to not act out of fear.  We ended up with McCain because of an irrational fear of Hilary.  So then I should perpetuate that mistake by acting out of fear to vote for someone slightly less bad that Hilary?

300 million people and the best we can come up with is 3 narcissistic prima donas from the Senate?  Well, I guess 286 million because 14 million are here illegally, but still that is a lot of people to end up with these three as the best choices.

I for one will NOT vote for McCain due to fear of Clinton or Obama.
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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2008, 11:25:25 PM »
Quote from: Duke Nukum link=topic=[/quote
Too bad his first instinct was to jump in feet first in a very lame attempt to court media favor.

He's backed off now that his own guys have told him he can't win by angering Republicans but since his first instinct is always, first, second, and always, to be liked by the media, it will probably happen over and over again.

I wonder if there is a chapter of Media Whores Anonymous he could attend?

When the general election rolls around, he will see first hand the contempt they have for him. They are going to smear him to no end because liberals are foaming at the mouth to take back the W.H.

They have a decent chance of taking back the W.H. IMO.   McCain is pretty unappealing to a lot of conservatives.  There might be a ground swell of say home-ism come November for many conservatives.

I know many conservatives that have claimed they simply will not vote for a liberal-lite, which McCain seems to be to many.

I myself am unsure if I will vote for him or not.

Some think that the US is due for another revolution; so why not let a true socialist get in office and kick it off?

It's gonna happen sooner or later if world history is any guide line.  So why not get it over with.

what do you mean by "revolution"?  do you mean it in the classical sense, as in the American Revolution?

Something along those lines is what has happened historically.  I can see it reaching that boiling point in the not so distance future for the US.

do you recall the last time a legitimately elected democratic government was overthrown via armed insurrection?


No. 

Do you?

Iran seems to come to mind for some reason..
« Last Edit: May 01, 2008, 11:29:16 PM by rich_t »
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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2008, 11:33:17 PM »
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.— Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #38 on: May 01, 2008, 11:55:09 PM »
Quote from: Duke Nukum link=topic=[/quote
Too bad his first instinct was to jump in feet first in a very lame attempt to court media favor.

He's backed off now that his own guys have told him he can't win by angering Republicans but since his first instinct is always, first, second, and always, to be liked by the media, it will probably happen over and over again.

I wonder if there is a chapter of Media Whores Anonymous he could attend?

When the general election rolls around, he will see first hand the contempt they have for him. They are going to smear him to no end because liberals are foaming at the mouth to take back the W.H.

They have a decent chance of taking back the W.H. IMO.   McCain is pretty unappealing to a lot of conservatives.  There might be a ground swell of say home-ism come November for many conservatives.

I know many conservatives that have claimed they simply will not vote for a liberal-lite, which McCain seems to be to many.

I myself am unsure if I will vote for him or not.

Some think that the US is due for another revolution; so why not let a true socialist get in office and kick it off?

It's gonna happen sooner or later if world history is any guide line.  So why not get it over with.

what do you mean by "revolution"?  do you mean it in the classical sense, as in the American Revolution?

Something along those lines is what has happened historically.  I can see it reaching that boiling point in the not so distance future for the US.

do you recall the last time a legitimately elected democratic government was overthrown via armed insurrection?


No. 

Do you?

Iran seems to come to mind for some reason..

it's not totally unheard of, but what you get, historically speaking, as you say, is a military dictatorship.  I'm sorta
trying to make a point here.

but popular uprisings against democratically elected governments don't happen because the voting public put
them there in the first place.

I don't understand how a second american revolution is possible when the entire government can be turned out
in the span of a few years.  in a very real sense, there is a controlled revolution of sorts every time there is an
election.

I can't even imagine how an american revolution would happen logistically.  the whole idea is just, well, bizarre.


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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #39 on: May 01, 2008, 11:57:34 PM »
I don't think that McCain understands southern conservatives.  If he keeps pissing them off he will lose the election regardless of how many independents he might pick up.

p.s.  Hell, I don't think the man understands real conservatives period.

I think that the thought of Baroque Obama or (God forbid) Hillary in the white house would be enough
to get our base to the polls.  conservatives are still disappointed with the nominee, but once the general
starts up, the contrast between mccain and (probably) obama will be much more compelling.


The whole problem with voting for McCain out of fear of Hilary or that other guy is 1) acting out of fear and 2) we could vote for McCain and he could win and be worse than Hilary or that other guy, the guy with the preacher problem.

He promises not to raise taxes but he's going for the whole Global Warming(TM) hoax agenda which will be a pretty bad tax hike.

Other than throwing his own party under the bus for the love of the media spotlight, he has shown he doesn't mind throwing his whole country under the bus in an attempt to get some love from the Mexican press, I guess.  He claims he heard us, but why should we believe him?

Anyway, the number one thing for me is to not act out of fear.  We ended up with McCain because of an irrational fear of Hilary.  So then I should perpetuate that mistake by acting out of fear to vote for someone slightly less bad that Hilary?

300 million people and the best we can come up with is 3 narcissistic prima donas from the Senate?  Well, I guess 286 million because 14 million are here illegally, but still that is a lot of people to end up with these three as the best choices.

I for one will NOT vote for McCain due to fear of Clinton or Obama.

but you are perfectly willing to entertain the idea of an armed insurrection against the government of the
united states?   

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« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2008, 12:09:27 AM »
I don't think that McCain understands southern conservatives.  If he keeps pissing them off he will lose the election regardless of how many independents he might pick up.

p.s.  Hell, I don't think the man understands real conservatives period.

I think that the thought of Baroque Obama or (God forbid) Hillary in the white house would be enough
to get our base to the polls.  conservatives are still disappointed with the nominee, but once the general
starts up, the contrast between mccain and (probably) obama will be much more compelling.


The whole problem with voting for McCain out of fear of Hilary or that other guy is 1) acting out of fear and 2) we could vote for McCain and he could win and be worse than Hilary or that other guy, the guy with the preacher problem.

He promises not to raise taxes but he's going for the whole Global Warming(TM) hoax agenda which will be a pretty bad tax hike.

Other than throwing his own party under the bus for the love of the media spotlight, he has shown he doesn't mind throwing his whole country under the bus in an attempt to get some love from the Mexican press, I guess.  He claims he heard us, but why should we believe him?

Anyway, the number one thing for me is to not act out of fear.  We ended up with McCain because of an irrational fear of Hilary.  So then I should perpetuate that mistake by acting out of fear to vote for someone slightly less bad that Hilary?

300 million people and the best we can come up with is 3 narcissistic prima donas from the Senate?  Well, I guess 286 million because 14 million are here illegally, but still that is a lot of people to end up with these three as the best choices.

I for one will NOT vote for McCain due to fear of Clinton or Obama.

but you are perfectly willing to entertain the idea of an armed insurrection against the government of the
united states?   

I am perfectly willing to acknowledge the intent of the DOI.

I am also willing to acknowledge that freedom isn't free.

When you celebrate the 4th of July, it's worth pausing for a moment to ask: Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?
Five signers were captured by the British as traitors and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.

They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists.  Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated.  But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy.  He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly.  He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding.  His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire.  The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed.  The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.

John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying.  Their 13 children fled for their lives.  His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste.  For more than a year, he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later, he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution.

These were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians.  They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall and straight, unwavering, they pledged:  "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." They gave you and me a free and independent America. Some of us take these liberties so much for granted. We shouldn't. If you and I don't care about them and take care of them, they could vanish. So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July Holiday and silently thank these patriots.  It's not much to ask for the price they paid. Remember:  Freedom is never free!

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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2008, 12:14:54 AM »
I don't think that McCain understands southern conservatives.  If he keeps pissing them off he will lose the election regardless of how many independents he might pick up.

p.s.  Hell, I don't think the man understands real conservatives period.

I think that the thought of Baroque Obama or (God forbid) Hillary in the white house would be enough
to get our base to the polls.  conservatives are still disappointed with the nominee, but once the general
starts up, the contrast between mccain and (probably) obama will be much more compelling.


The whole problem with voting for McCain out of fear of Hilary or that other guy is 1) acting out of fear and 2) we could vote for McCain and he could win and be worse than Hilary or that other guy, the guy with the preacher problem.

He promises not to raise taxes but he's going for the whole Global Warming(TM) hoax agenda which will be a pretty bad tax hike.

Other than throwing his own party under the bus for the love of the media spotlight, he has shown he doesn't mind throwing his whole country under the bus in an attempt to get some love from the Mexican press, I guess.  He claims he heard us, but why should we believe him?

Anyway, the number one thing for me is to not act out of fear.  We ended up with McCain because of an irrational fear of Hilary.  So then I should perpetuate that mistake by acting out of fear to vote for someone slightly less bad that Hilary?

300 million people and the best we can come up with is 3 narcissistic prima donas from the Senate?  Well, I guess 286 million because 14 million are here illegally, but still that is a lot of people to end up with these three as the best choices.

I for one will NOT vote for McCain due to fear of Clinton or Obama.

but you are perfectly willing to entertain the idea of an armed insurrection against the government of the
united states?   

I am perfectly willing to acknowledge the intent of the DOI.

I am also willing to acknowledge that freedom isn't free.

When you celebrate the 4th of July, it's worth pausing for a moment to ask: Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?
Five signers were captured by the British as traitors and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.

They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists.  Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated.  But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy.  He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly.  He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding.  His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire.  The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed.  The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.

John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying.  Their 13 children fled for their lives.  His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste.  For more than a year, he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later, he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution.

These were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians.  They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall and straight, unwavering, they pledged:  "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." They gave you and me a free and independent America. Some of us take these liberties so much for granted. We shouldn't. If you and I don't care about them and take care of them, they could vanish. So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July Holiday and silently thank these patriots.  It's not much to ask for the price they paid. Remember:  Freedom is never free!



you probably should have included the link:
http://www.connecticutsar.org/articles/price_paid.htm

I'm not sure where you are going here.

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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2008, 12:24:48 AM »
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I'm not sure where you are going here.

I am merely speculating about the possibility of civil unrest (revolution) in the next decade or so.

No more, no less.

I think it is more likely to happen than not in that time frame.
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« Reply #43 on: May 02, 2008, 08:56:20 AM »
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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2008, 04:57:26 AM »
I don't think that McCain understands southern conservatives.  If he keeps pissing them off he will lose the election regardless of how many independents he might pick up.

p.s.  Hell, I don't think the man understands real conservatives period.

I think that the thought of Baroque Obama or (God forbid) Hillary in the white house would be enough
to get our base to the polls.  conservatives are still disappointed with the nominee, but once the general
starts up, the contrast between mccain and (probably) obama will be much more compelling.


The whole problem with voting for McCain out of fear of Hilary or that other guy is 1) acting out of fear and 2) we could vote for McCain and he could win and be worse than Hilary or that other guy, the guy with the preacher problem.

He promises not to raise taxes but he's going for the whole Global Warming(TM) hoax agenda which will be a pretty bad tax hike.

Other than throwing his own party under the bus for the love of the media spotlight, he has shown he doesn't mind throwing his whole country under the bus in an attempt to get some love from the Mexican press, I guess.  He claims he heard us, but why should we believe him?

Anyway, the number one thing for me is to not act out of fear.  We ended up with McCain because of an irrational fear of Hilary.  So then I should perpetuate that mistake by acting out of fear to vote for someone slightly less bad that Hilary?

300 million people and the best we can come up with is 3 narcissistic prima donas from the Senate?  Well, I guess 286 million because 14 million are here illegally, but still that is a lot of people to end up with these three as the best choices.

I see a huge difference between choosing the (infinitely) lesser of two evils and voting out of "fear".   and there just isn't
any way you can seriously compare mccain and hillary/obama.  mccain's lifetime ACU rating is 82+.  not great, but higher
than, say, thad cochran, from my home state (which I found surprising).  hillary has a lifetime ACU rating of 7.71.  obama
is 7.67.

I understand being disappointed with mccain.  I don't understand how people don't see the obvious difference in their
political philosophies, and how they would govern if elected.

Probably because of things like McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Lieberman, the Gang of Fourteen, oh yeah, and every chance he gets he trashes his own base and party.  He's already shown he'll govern like a liberal.  Oh yeah, closing down GITMO, bringing possible terrorists to U.S. soil, and treating them like regular criminals, clogging up already clogged courts. 

There's what he says he's going to do and then there is what he has already done and then there is what he says he is going to do that I am perfectly capable of believing he will do.  Compared to his actual actions his ACU rating is only a number.  It would mean a little more if he made it mean a little more.

Electing a liberal is infinitely bad.  So what's infinity times 2?  Times 3?  Time Infinity?

What is McCain's political philosophy anyway?  I don't actually think he has one.  Trashing one's own party isn't a political philosophy as I understand such things.

Most likely he's going to win anyway so why should I vote for him?  What reason has McCain given any conservative to vote FOR him.  What reason has he given anyone to vote for him?  My personal philosophy is to be for something, not to just vote against something.  I have no idea what McCain even stands for.  Other than John McCain.  If I am only voting against something, it is the same as voting out of fear.

I haven't made up my mind yet.  But based on where McCain is right now, I can't vote for him.  Essentially, he has been saying he doesn't want my vote anyway.  So, we, me and John, are working together on this.  All three of the very, very, very poor choices we have this year are saying loud and clear "don't vote for me" so I'm thinking of taking them up on it.  Maybe it's just social conditioning but I stop on red lights and go on green lights.  I don't see any green lights.
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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2008, 09:01:40 AM »
I don't think that McCain understands southern conservatives.  If he keeps pissing them off he will lose the election regardless of how many independents he might pick up.

p.s.  Hell, I don't think the man understands real conservatives period.

I think that the thought of Baroque Obama or (God forbid) Hillary in the white house would be enough
to get our base to the polls.  conservatives are still disappointed with the nominee, but once the general
starts up, the contrast between mccain and (probably) obama will be much more compelling.


The whole problem with voting for McCain out of fear of Hilary or that other guy is 1) acting out of fear and 2) we could vote for McCain and he could win and be worse than Hilary or that other guy, the guy with the preacher problem.

He promises not to raise taxes but he's going for the whole Global Warming(TM) hoax agenda which will be a pretty bad tax hike.

Other than throwing his own party under the bus for the love of the media spotlight, he has shown he doesn't mind throwing his whole country under the bus in an attempt to get some love from the Mexican press, I guess.  He claims he heard us, but why should we believe him?

Anyway, the number one thing for me is to not act out of fear.  We ended up with McCain because of an irrational fear of Hilary.  So then I should perpetuate that mistake by acting out of fear to vote for someone slightly less bad that Hilary?

300 million people and the best we can come up with is 3 narcissistic prima donas from the Senate?  Well, I guess 286 million because 14 million are here illegally, but still that is a lot of people to end up with these three as the best choices.

I see a huge difference between choosing the (infinitely) lesser of two evils and voting out of "fear".   and there just isn't
any way you can seriously compare mccain and hillary/obama.  mccain's lifetime ACU rating is 82+.  not great, but higher
than, say, thad cochran, from my home state (which I found surprising).  hillary has a lifetime ACU rating of 7.71.  obama
is 7.67.

I understand being disappointed with mccain.  I don't understand how people don't see the obvious difference in their
political philosophies, and how they would govern if elected.

Probably because of things like McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Lieberman, the Gang of Fourteen, oh yeah, and every chance he gets he trashes his own base and party.  He's already shown he'll govern like a liberal.  Oh yeah, closing down GITMO, bringing possible terrorists to U.S. soil, and treating them like regular criminals, clogging up already clogged courts. 

There's what he says he's going to do and then there is what he has already done and then there is what he says he is going to do that I am perfectly capable of believing he will do.  Compared to his actual actions his ACU rating is only a number.  It would mean a little more if he made it mean a little more.

Electing a liberal is infinitely bad.  So what's infinity times 2?  Times 3?  Time Infinity?

What is McCain's political philosophy anyway?  I don't actually think he has one.  Trashing one's own party isn't a political philosophy as I understand such things.

Most likely he's going to win anyway so why should I vote for him?  What reason has McCain given any conservative to vote FOR him.  What reason has he given anyone to vote for him?  My personal philosophy is to be for something, not to just vote against something.  I have no idea what McCain even stands for.  Other than John McCain.  If I am only voting against something, it is the same as voting out of fear.

I haven't made up my mind yet.  But based on where McCain is right now, I can't vote for him.  Essentially, he has been saying he doesn't want my vote anyway.  So, we, me and John, are working together on this.  All three of the very, very, very poor choices we have this year are saying loud and clear "don't vote for me" so I'm thinking of taking them up on it.  Maybe it's just social conditioning but I stop on red lights and go on green lights.  I don't see any green lights.

great.  then entrust the custodianship of the entire country to obama.  I hope you can sleep at night.


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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #46 on: May 03, 2008, 10:04:05 AM »
great.  then entrust the custodianship of the entire country to obama.  I hope you can sleep at night.


Whoever wins or loses can't be blamed on one voter, I know you know that.  I think all 3 of the remaining possibilities are train-wrecks, McCain being ever so slightly less of one.  But when he tells me that NC Republicans are out of touch, now he's getting personal.  I'm not one to get mad quickly, but when I heard him say that my blood-pressure shot up about a million points.  What. A. Complete. Jerk.  And I'm being nice about it.  I can tell you at this point I'm not inclined to vote for him come November.  I definately won't vote for him this Tuesday.  I have no idea who's left on the NC Republican ballot for prez nominee, but neither McCain or Dr. Nutz will get mine.

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Re: I hope McLame reads this.
« Reply #47 on: May 03, 2008, 12:11:32 PM »
great.  then entrust the custodianship of the entire country to obama.  I hope you can sleep at night.


Whoever wins or loses can't be blamed on one voter, I know you know that.  I think all 3 of the remaining possibilities are train-wrecks, McCain being ever so slightly less of one.  But when he tells me that NC Republicans are out of touch, now he's getting personal.  I'm not one to get mad quickly, but when I heard him say that my blood-pressure shot up about a million points.  What. A. Complete. Jerk.  And I'm being nice about it.  I can tell you at this point I'm not inclined to vote for him come November.  I definately won't vote for him this Tuesday.  I have no idea who's left on the NC Republican ballot for prez nominee, but neither McCain or Dr. Nutz will get mine.


if another 200 people in florida thought like you did in 2000, we would be finishing president gore's second term in a few months.


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« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2008, 12:29:56 PM »
if another 200 people in florida thought like you did in 2000, we would be finishing president gore's second term in a few months.

And if Bush had insulted what he claims to be his base in the same way McCain has done, I wouldn't blame them.

The guy was already in the gray area with a lot of conservatives like me anyway.  Saying what he said did not help endear himself to me.  In fact, if that was all he had to say, he should have just kept his mouth shut, or at least just said that he had talked to the NC Republicans and asked them not to run the ad because it wasn't in keeping with the tone of the campaign he wanted to run.  Had he just said that, then I would have just considered him to be the political wimp I knew he was anyway.  Instead, he has to add the words "they're out of touch."  So now, on top of being a political wimp, he insults me.  Dumb on his part.

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« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2008, 12:34:07 PM »
if another 200 people in florida thought like you did in 2000, we would be finishing president gore's second term in a few months.

And if Bush had insulted what he claims to be his base in the same way McCain has done, I wouldn't blame them.

They guy was already in the gray area with a lot of conservatives like me anyway.  Saying what he said did not help endear himself to me.  In fact, if that was all he had to say, he should have just kept his mouth shut, or at least just said that he had talked to the NC Republicans and asked them not to run the ad because it wasn't in keeping with the tone of the campaign he wanted to run.  Had he just said that, then I would have just considered him to be the political wimp I knew he was anyway.  Instead, he has to add the words "they're out of touch."  So now, on top of being a political wimp, he insults me.  Dumb on his part.

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I find myself defending mccain more and more these days.  and I don't like him any more than you do. :wink:

I am trying to see the big picture, though.  it's very difficult most days, but I can find plenty of great reasons to
vote for john mccain besides the fact that he isn't baroque obama.