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to hell with free speech
« on: June 19, 2010, 07:32:18 PM »
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WASHINGTON -- Fighting homegrown terrorism by monitoring Internet communications is a civil liberties trade-off the U.S. government must make to beef up national security, the nation's homeland security chief said Friday.

As terrorists increasingly recruit U.S. citizens, the government needs to constantly balance Americans' civil rights and privacy with the need to keep people safe, said Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/18/napolitano-internet-monitoring-needed-fight-homegrown-terrorism/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fpolitics+(Text+-+Politics)

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Re: to hell with free speach
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2010, 08:23:55 PM »
Has nothing to do with free speech.  This is invasion of privacy -- however, it has been in effect for quite some time.  Terrorist organizations use cell phones and the internet to communicate.   


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Re: to hell with free speach
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2010, 08:26:32 PM »
Moderator's note:  

Excellent topic Pat, however, it has been moved to  "Politics" due to specific rules for the "Breaking News" forum.

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Re: to hell with free speach
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2010, 08:59:13 PM »
Has nothing to do with free speech.  This is invasion of privacy -- however, it has been in effect for quite some time.  Terrorist organizations use cell phones and the internet to communicate.   




so it's ok to inhibit the free exercise of ideas and speech on an open forum in the name of "security"

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Re: to hell with free speach
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2010, 05:42:47 AM »

so it's ok to inhibit the free exercise of ideas and speech on an open forum in the name of "security"

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Where are they inhibiting, and this is already in the Patriot Act.   This is not the new legislation they are proposing where they actually can take over the internet. 



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Re: to hell with free speach
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2010, 05:44:16 AM »
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Where are they inhibiting, and this is already in the Patriot Act.   This is not the new legislation they are proposing where they actually can take over the internet. 




The FED has had the ability to take over the internet for years.
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2010, 05:51:27 AM »
The FED has had the ability to take over the internet for years.

Where.

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Re: to hell with free speech
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2010, 06:13:00 AM »
The US of course.
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2010, 06:25:54 AM »
The US of course.

No, what law gives them that authority (actual quote from law if you are referring to the Patriot Act). 


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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2010, 06:59:12 AM »
No, what law gives them that authority (actual quote from law if you are referring to the Patriot Act). 



tsk tsk....

I posted "ability" not "authority".
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Re: to hell with free speech
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2010, 11:20:26 AM »
   Its funny how people actually think USA and Britain ever had proper free speech. Nowhere does.
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Re: to hell with free speech
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2010, 02:21:37 PM »
tsk tsk....

I posted "ability" not "authority".

AND what legislation provides them with the "ability"...... (again, please provide quote with language).

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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2010, 06:50:32 PM »
AND what legislation provides them with the "ability"...... (again, please provide quote with language).

They dont need the legislation and if they want it they just do it.  Some people actually still think we live within a Republic.

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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2010, 06:55:44 PM »
They dont need the legislation and if they want it they just do it.  Some people actually still think we live within a Republic.





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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2010, 06:59:03 PM »




Atta boy!!!

Yeah, do something useful, like go vote or something.

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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2010, 07:05:23 PM »
Yeah, do something useful, like go vote or something.


Before they take they right away from us too.... cause they have the "ability"..... cause it's no longer a republic......


hey, I am getting the hang of this. :-)

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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2010, 07:39:24 PM »

Before they take they right away from us too.... cause they have the "ability"..... cause it's no longer a republic......


hey, I am getting the hang of this. :-)

Because too many fail to recognize the true inherent problem within this country altogether.  Edison said the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.  So whos the crazy one here?  Not me.

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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2010, 08:27:30 PM »
Because too many fail to recognize the true inherent problem within this country altogether.  Edison said the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.  So whos the crazy one here?  Not me.

So this is your prophecy then and not reality?   

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Re: to hell with free speech
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2010, 08:37:47 PM »
Because too many fail to recognize the true inherent problem within this country altogether.  Edison said the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.  So whos the crazy one here?  Not me.

Please enlighten all of us.

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« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2010, 08:55:08 PM »
So this is your prophecy then and not reality?   

As typical the RINO is backwards taking fact as fiction.

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« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2010, 09:10:41 PM »
Please enlighten all of us.

Modern Americans educate themselves so poorly as to the full circle of action and its reaction measuring history against current events.  People too often cite an event or quote an individual without realizing the full circumstances that allowed for the said event to take place.

Today people look back to our founding fathers and find inspiration.  Indeed there is much there to be found.  Yet in all of today's quarrels all we can hear is the noise of upcoming elections and who will stand for what.  While short term minds will scream this is the way and lead the masses into a victory for the "right" people forget to find a true measurement of value and posterity.

The entire value system of the American society has been eroded from the ground up.  People no longer recognize the truth behind the inception of the American mind and system.  God itself has been erased from history and from the lives of the American people.  Yet to take away the "Great Awakening" from the history of the Revolution would in of itself never allowed the Revolution to take place.  A British historian in the early 1800s noted that Americans would still be living under British rule if it had not been for those pesky preachers.

It was noted that without a Christian backbone that the American colonies would have exchanged one tyrant for another.  Without a moral basis that is greater than man to measure a nation there can be no foundation upon which to  build.  Today we expect elections to simply fix our problems by simply putting in the "other" party.  Stupidity abounds for time after time we have done this after our history had been erased and our constitution been made null and void and for nearly 100 years nothing has changed for the better but instead for the "progress of mankind". 

Yet no one recognizes the futility and unbelievable stupidity which abounds.  Each time around "the best of the worst" is elected with no real effect but to further enslave the next generation.  Today we sit with a Marxist government that Germany itelsf would be envious of and yet we still proclaim Liberty.  All the while most Americans cannot even truly define Liberty. 

Without a refounding of God within our culture, our home and our lives we will do nothing but once again replace one tyrant with another.  We no longer will be subject to choice but rather a subject to their whims.  A State that is not founded upon principle and morality is founded upon nothing at all but the whims of mankind.  If mankind is any measurement for the benefit of a nation for thousands of years I truly pity our children for they will be the ones which truly suffer in the times to come.

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Re: to hell with free speech
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2010, 09:18:17 PM »
As typical the RINO is backwards taking fact as fiction.

I have yet to see fact from you. 

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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2010, 09:22:32 PM »
God itself has been erased from history and from the lives of the American people. 

Oh really?    I would ask you to back up your comments, but meh --why go through that again right?

I will ask you this however -- who erased God? 


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« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2010, 09:27:59 PM »
Modern Americans educate themselves so poorly as to the full circle of action and its reaction measuring history against current events.  People too often cite an event or quote an individual without realizing the full circumstances that allowed for the said event to take place.

Today people look back to our founding fathers and find inspiration.  Indeed there is much there to be found.  Yet in all of today's quarrels all we can hear is the noise of upcoming elections and who will stand for what.  While short term minds will scream this is the way and lead the masses into a victory for the "right" people forget to find a true measurement of value and posterity.

The entire value system of the American society has been eroded from the ground up.  People no longer recognize the truth behind the inception of the American mind and system.  God itself has been erased from history and from the lives of the American people.  Yet to take away the "Great Awakening" from the history of the Revolution would in of itself never allowed the Revolution to take place.  A British historian in the early 1800s noted that Americans would still be living under British rule if it had not been for those pesky preachers.

It was noted that without a Christian backbone that the American colonies would have exchanged one tyrant for another.  Without a moral basis that is greater than man to measure a nation there can be no foundation upon which to  build.  Today we expect elections to simply fix our problems by simply putting in the "other" party.  Stupidity abounds for time after time we have done this after our history had been erased and our constitution been made null and void and for nearly 100 years nothing has changed for the better but instead for the "progress of mankind". 

Yet no one recognizes the futility and unbelievable stupidity which abounds.  Each time around "the best of the worst" is elected with no real effect but to further enslave the next generation.  Today we sit with a Marxist government that Germany itelsf would be envious of and yet we still proclaim Liberty.  All the while most Americans cannot even truly define Liberty. 

Without a refounding of God within our culture, our home and our lives we will do nothing but once again replace one tyrant with another.  We no longer will be subject to choice but rather a subject to their whims.  A State that is not founded upon principle and morality is founded upon nothing at all but the whims of mankind.  If mankind is any measurement for the benefit of a nation for thousands of years I truly pity our children for they will be the ones which truly suffer in the times to come.

An interesting copy and paste but not an answer to your assertion.

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Because too many fail to recognize the true inherent problem within this country altogether.

Please stick to what you have laid out.

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Re: to hell with free speech
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2010, 09:31:42 PM »
Because too many fail to recognize the true inherent problem within this country altogether.  Edison said the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.  So whos the crazy one here?  Not me.

Actually, it was Rita Mae Brown who said that first in the early 80's.  The attributations to Einstein, Edison, and Ben Franklin are all false.  Sounds like someone's been hitting the paranoia well just a wee bit too often.
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