Author Topic: Good-bye USA... (Read 14173 times)

bkg · « **on:** June 17, 2010, 07:50:15 PM »

Good-bye 10th.
Good-bye State governments
Good-bye freedom.

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Clinton: Obama Administration To Sue Arizona Over Immigration Law

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/17/clinton_obama_administration_to_sue_arizona_over_immigration_law.html

If I had kids, I'd be able to look froward to saying "Back in my day, we used to have a Constitution... to my grandkids..."...

cavegal · « **Reply #1 on:** June 17, 2010, 07:56:48 PM »

Quote from: bkg on June 17, 2010, 07:50:15 PM

Good-bye 10th.
Good-bye State governments
Good-bye freedom.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/17/clinton_obama_administration_to_sue_arizona_over_immigration_law.html

If I had kids, I'd be able to look froward to saying "Back in my day, we used to have a Constitution... to my grandkids..."...

You have forgotten one step in the process... The step were Americans fight to get this country back..I am fighting for her.. November!

Madam Firecracker · « **Reply #2 on:** June 17, 2010, 08:01:36 PM »

Me too!!! Not gonna sit back and let all of this happen laying down.

bkg · « **Reply #3 on:** June 17, 2010, 08:03:34 PM »

Quote from: cavegal on June 17, 2010, 07:56:48 PM

You have forgotten one step in the process... The step were Americans fight to get this country back..I am fighting for her.. November!

What exactly do you think will change in December?

Seriously?

Will we all of a sudden protect our boarders?
Will we all of a sudden cut gov't 40%?
Will we all of a sudden remove fascism?
We will all of a sudden repeal all COTUS violating laws, including Social Security and ObamaCare?
Is Voting all you are going to do?
Will you really "fight" if it comes to that?

Everyone needs to vote in November... and everyone needs to be REALISTIC about what will happen. December will not bring kittens and puffy clouds... It will just slow the ride.

cavegal · « **Reply #4 on:** June 17, 2010, 08:15:23 PM »

Quote from: bkg on June 17, 2010, 08:03:34 PM

What exactly do you think will change in December?

Seriously?

Will we all of a sudden protect our boarders?
Will we all of a sudden cut gov't 40%?
Will we all of a sudden remove fascism?
We will all of a sudden repeal all COTUS violating laws, including Social Security and ObamaCare?
Is Voting all you are going to do?
Will you really "fight" if it comes to that?

Everyone needs to vote in November... and everyone needs to be REALISTIC about what will happen. December will not bring kittens and puffy clouds... It will just slow the ride.

Yes it will. I am not fooling myself.. I don't even know how November will be.. I am saying that enough is enough and should the time come I will defend her!
They left is a violent greedy bunch. They want a dictatorship, no more America. That is what I am willing to fight for. November first. Then go from there. If they lose in November they will use the lame duck session to pass cap and trade and whatever else they can... From there protect boarders. cut govt . Never will remove all fascism it is like Shariah Law. it will be a fight always. Obama care do not fund.

bkg · « **Reply #5 on:** June 17, 2010, 08:22:58 PM »

Quote from: cavegal on June 17, 2010, 08:15:23 PM

Yes it will. I am not fooling myself.. I don't even know how November will be.. I am saying that enough is enough and should the time come I will defend her!
They left is a violent greedy bunch. They want a dictatorship, no more America. That is what I am willing to fight for. November first. Then go from there. If they lose in November they will use the lame duck session to pass cap and trade and whatever else they can... From there protect boarders. cut govt . Never will remove all fascism it is like Shariah Law. it will be a fight always. Obama care do not fund.

A good point.

Thor · « **Reply #6 on:** June 17, 2010, 10:42:46 PM »

We'll start with November and work our way from there. When push comes to shove, I'll do what's necessary to keep America as it should be, if at all possible.

Who was it that said, "I regret that I have but one life to give for my country"??

SSG Snuggle Bunny · « **Reply #7 on:** June 17, 2010, 10:51:20 PM »

<--- Vichy France is that way

DefiantSix · « **Reply #8 on:** June 17, 2010, 10:55:48 PM »

Quote from: Thor on June 17, 2010, 10:42:46 PM

We'll start with November and work our way from there. When push comes to shove, I'll do what's necessary to keep America as it should be, if at all possible.

Who was it that said, "I regret that I have but one life to give for my country"??

That would have been Capt. Nathan Hale, Continental Army.

formerlurker · « **Reply #9 on:** June 18, 2010, 05:43:47 AM »

The news of the sky falling has been greatly exaggerated.

Obama sues, loses and the sun rises tomorrow.

bkg · « **Reply #10 on:** June 18, 2010, 08:00:30 AM »

Quote from: formerlurker on June 18, 2010, 05:43:47 AM

The news of the sky falling has been greatly exaggerated.

Obama sues, loses and the sun rises tomorrow.

Don't take for granted that he will lose. And don't take it for granted that this is no big deal... He's already taken over a massive amount of the private sector, so why would he not attempt the same with the states?

But that's really not the point. The fact that the federal government is stepping in to sue a state for maintaining a rule of law is above the pale... It's beyond fascism at that point; it's a clear window into the future of America where the Fed gov't rules with an iron fist (as BP) while state goverments become nothing more than symbolic representations of the past.

I should have said "Good-by Republic"

SSG Snuggle Bunny · « **Reply #11 on:** June 18, 2010, 08:52:21 AM »

How about we don't count battles lost until after they've been fought?

FFS it took 30 years to overturn the DC gun ban. It took nearly a hundred years to overturn Jim Crowe/so-called "black laws". These were laws that laws that were not only passed but fought all the way to the Supreme Court and unheld. Yet, they were defeated in turn.

The COTUS doesn't presume every law passed is just, fair or constiututional. On the contrary the COTUS assumes bad laws are passed and establishes the means of remedy.

Movements like the Tea Party would never have happened 30 years ago. Thanks to technology we no longer have just 3 networks singing in harmony. People are better informed and more involved than ever in human history (thank-you Al Gore!).

Quit being so *******ed French and sack-the-****-up already. Quit making excuses for why we can't prevail because all you're really doing is making excuses for why you won't fight.

ConservativeMobster · « **Reply #12 on:** June 18, 2010, 09:15:35 AM »

Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on June 18, 2010, 08:52:21 AM

Quit being so *******ed French and sack-the-****-up already. Quit making excuses for why we can't prevail because all you're really doing is making excuses for why you won't fight.

That's the SPIRIT!

bkg · « **Reply #13 on:** June 18, 2010, 10:27:36 AM »

Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on June 18, 2010, 08:52:21 AM

How about we don't count battles lost until after they've been fought?

Sometimes the fact that we have to fight the battle is, in and of itself, a loss.

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Quit being so *******ed French and sack-the-****-up already. Quit making excuses for why we can't prevail because all you're really doing is making excuses for why you won't fight.

Find one excuse that I have made, please. I'm simply pointing out what some people here refuse to acknowledge - that the GOP is not going to change shit in November. Some of you seem to think that if they win in November, everything is rosy. Be realistic about the battle you are fighting - many of you are not. The battle is larger than some of you give credit for, and the past 4-5 administrations have provided momentum towards what every DC policy maker seems to want - Control. You do not stop a freightrain on a dime, folks.

Eupher · « **Reply #14 on:** June 18, 2010, 10:38:42 AM »

If the GOP kicks ass in November, as some predictions would indicate, it will have a startling effect on the mood of the nation AND the politicians that survive November's fight.

While perhaps not quite as dramatic as Newt's 1994 "Contract With America" stuff, the result will be profound. Why? Because it lends credence to the Tea Party movement in all its shapes, forms, and sizes. It sends a very clear message to the American political system that mainstream Americans are pissed off and that efforts taken by the alphabet-soup media to sugarcoat and brushstroke the issues will not fool clear-thinking Americans.

That said, Lord Zero's minions will have already developed strategies for dealing with all that.

And let's not forget Rule #1:

- Politicians' first objective is to get reelected.

Rule #1 will not change, regardless what happens in November.

SSG Snuggle Bunny · « **Reply #15 on:** June 18, 2010, 12:32:14 PM »

Quote from: bkg on June 18, 2010, 10:27:36 AM

Sometimes the fact that we have to fight the battle is, in and of itself, a loss.

What?

Dude, seriously.

A fight is a fight and there will always be fights. Humanity will never stop fighting.

Ever. Having to fight only means you wound-up on planet Earth. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Find one excuse that I have made, please. I'm simply pointing out what some people here refuse to acknowledge - that the GOP is not going to change shit in November. Some of you seem to think that if they win in November, everything is rosy.

Find one person that has said everything will be rosy. Last time I checked this thread everyone sees November as the ebginning of the fight.

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Be realistic about the battle you are fighting - many of you are not. The battle is larger than some of you give credit for, and the past 4-5 administrations have provided momentum towards what every DC policy maker seems to want - Control. You do not stop a freightrain on a dime, folks.

And yet you seem too timid to even put your hand on the brake lever.

You just sit there and cry while real men and women will carry your freedom for you because apparently its too heavy for you to hold up on your own.

cavegal · « **Reply #16 on:** June 18, 2010, 12:43:23 PM »

November is just the start. What happens then will show me and others what is possible?

ConservativeMobster · « **Reply #17 on:** June 18, 2010, 01:14:59 PM »

I understand how you feel BKG and that's why I take at least a weekly dose of "fighter"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMflgpD-xfw

formerlurker · « **Reply #18 on:** June 18, 2010, 04:19:44 PM »

Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on June 18, 2010, 12:32:14 PM

What?

Dude, seriously.

A fight is a fight and there will always be fights. Humanity will never stop fighting.

Ever. Having to fight only means you wound-up on planet Earth. Nothing more, nothing less.

Find one person that has said everything will be rosy. Last time I checked this thread everyone sees November as the ebginning of the fight.

And yet you seem too timid to even put your hand on the brake lever.

You just sit there and cry while real men and women will carry your freedom for you because apparently its too heavy for you to hold up on your own.

Damn MSB -- that is going to leave a permanent mark.

Carl · « **Reply #19 on:** June 18, 2010, 04:31:17 PM »

Quote from: formerlurker on June 18, 2010, 04:19:44 PM

Damn MSB -- that is going to leave a permanent mark.

It still won`t phase the one trick pony "the GOP sucks" gig though.

rich_t · « **Reply #20 on:** June 18, 2010, 05:24:42 PM »

Quote from: Carl on June 18, 2010, 04:31:17 PM

It still won`t phase the one trick pony "the GOP sucks" gig though.

Are you claiming it doesn't?

Hawkgirl · « **Reply #21 on:** June 18, 2010, 05:32:45 PM »

If the GOP doesn't do a heavy shift to the right...they will suck, even more.

bkg · « **Reply #22 on:** June 18, 2010, 05:43:25 PM »

Quote from: rich_t on June 18, 2010, 05:24:42 PM

Are you claiming it doesn't?

sometimes that's all that people have as a response, Rich... Hence my point about November. People soo excited to see a change, thinking that's going to start the big salvation. It will not do anything. It's only a point in time that may slow the train. People don't like to hear the truth about that, so they attack. Which I find ironic and entertaining all at the same time.

And MSB - you made me laugh. Seriously.

cavegal · « **Reply #23 on:** June 18, 2010, 06:29:37 PM »

Is cyberspace about to get censored?

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the Competitive Enterprise Institute.

The bill would grant President Obama the power to declare a “national cyber-emergency” at his discretion and force private companies tied to the Web, including Internet service providers and search engines, to take action in response—moves that could include limiting or even cutting off their connections to the World Wide Web for up to 30 days.While the bill’s sponsors say it is intended to create a shield to defend the United States and its largest companies from the growing threat of cyberattacks, civil-liberties activists tell The Daily Beast they fear the bill could give the White House the ability to effectively shut down portions of the Internet for reasons that could prove to be politically inspired.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-18/new-bill-would-let-obama-police-internet-for-national-security-reasons/?cid=hp:exc

I POST HERE BECAUSE IF THEY GET THE INTERNET. THEN ALL CARDS OFF TABLE... THEY RULE NOW!

bkg · « **Reply #24 on:** June 18, 2010, 06:34:09 PM »

Quote from: cavegal on June 18, 2010, 06:29:37 PM

Is cyberspace about to get censored?

I POST HERE BECAUSE IF THEY GET THE INTERNET. THEN ALL CARDS OFF TABLE... They will rule then!

"it's for your safety."

Not there yet, but it's not far away.

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Author Topic: Good-bye USA... (Read 14173 times)