What is Rush talking about?

[Duke Nukum]

Bill Bennett, Mark Levin and others have launched attacks on Glenn Beck for being too critical of the GOP

Okay then, and do any of these attacks have any merit?  In other words, are they attacks or criticisms? 

And even if they are unfair attacks, then what is the solution?  Does it makes Rush and Levin not conservative?  Then I would have to assume the world has gone insane.  I don't think there is anybody more conservative than Levin.  Certainly nobody more able to articulately express the core principles of conservatism.  And Rush's conservative credentials are above reproach.

So, again, I can't really figure out what this whole thing is about.

Your unhappy with the Republican Party because of RINOs and unhappy with stalwart conservatives like Levin and Limbaugh because they "attack" Beck.  So, then, where does that leave you?

What practical action can you take if you don't like Republicans, Democrats and are against a third party?

[TheSarge]

Why is Rush sounding like he is defending RINO's?

"The Republican Party is NOT the problem.."??

They are definitely PART OF the problem. TOO many RINOs!

The RINO's don't define the Party.

He's saying don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

[TheSarge]

Careful FGL, there are people here who think the GOP is the solution.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight and putting our support behind a singe issue no chance of winning fringe party no one has heard of is the better idea?

Ask how well that's working for oh I dunno..the Libetarians or the Constitution party.

[TheSarge]

Actually the Republican Party is a HUGE PART OF THE PROBLEM!  Rush is far too partisan for me despite the fact that he does get much right when it comes to conservative ideals.  His partisan blood that flows through his veins blinds him just like it does many Republicans.  

The whole Republican problem is that the party is more important than the people.  Hence they are also infected with socialist or as Glenn Beck likes to put it, "progressive light".  Either way you cut it, the majority of them are useless.  

Personally I am sick of the partisan bullsh*t.  Sorry, sue me for being a constitutionalist I call it like it is.  The republican party has FAR more problems than RINO's and anyone who wants to play the libtard card can go ahead and flame like the libs do with this    and then move on.

And like a typical shallow thinking knee jerker...you're long on bashing and criticizing and very short on anwers or solutions.

Maybe that is your lot in life...start a new political party...call it the Knee Jerk Party...you'd have several members here that would sign up.

[TheSarge]

The answer is to stop attacking the conservatives who want to make the GOP more conservative.

He's not and neither am I.

But all we've heard from you and the back slapper is throw them all out...Republicans suck etc.

If that's NOT what you're trying to say clarify your point.

Becuase all it sounds like you and the back slapper are blabbering about is a call for a third party.

[The Village Idiot]

Becuase all it sounds like you and the back slapper are blabbering about is a call for a third party.

I'm not calling for a third party, I'm call for an organized conservative faction inside the GOP to take it over.

[Duke Nukum]

I'm not calling for a third party, I'm call for an organized conservative faction inside the GOP to take it over.

Then maybe you should work on that.  That is what Rush and Levin have been saying for some time.

And what happens when it is a choice between a Brown and a Coakley?  Do you not vote for Brown even if he is the best you can get in that situation?  Do you just go online when the RINO reveals his RINO tendencies and talk about how much you were attacked for saying a RINO was a RINO?  Fine.  But when do you stop? 

[thundley4]

I would be happy if a RINO like Brown could get elected as senator in Illinois.

[The Village Idiot]

I would be happy if a RINO like Brown could get elected as senator in Illinois.

If you can't elect RINO's after the biggest tax hike in state history, then you might never elect one

[thundley4]

If you can't elect RINO's after the biggest tax hike in state history, then you might never elect one

I have a feeling that tax hike will be after the elections this year.  I just read that Illinois is in the red by over half of the budget, something like $13B out of a $26B budget.

[Javelin]

And like a typical shallow thinking knee jerker...you're long on bashing and criticizing and very short on anwers or solutions.

Maybe that is your lot in life...start a new political party...call it the Knee Jerk Party...you'd have several members here that would sign up.

You know what the problems with most republicans is, they forgot how to vote the man but now pull for the party line.  What ever happened to the constitution?  Oh I forgot they replaced it with Republicans and Democrats... how stupid of me to think otherwise.

And by the way, what the **** is up with everyone assuming anyone who is conservative bashing the republicans assuming that they want to start a damn third party? 

Oh, one more thing, I am doing something and I am not short on solutions whatsoever.  Perhaps you should come over to my part of the country and take a look at what we are doing.  Never know, you might actually learn something. 

The rest of your comment is nothing but dribble knee jerk pissed attitude because someone called the republican party.... bad.   Oh , wow, how dare he.

[rich_t]

This is what I love about republicans, they are about as brain dead as democrats when it comes to this.  They simply cannot see the flaws within their own debate.  If there is discussion within about change then there is "civil war" or b*tching or worse yet, someone is claiming to be desiring a 3rd party or even worse a Ronulian Revolution.


The point is very simple.  Republicans are socialist from where I sit, ok its that simple.  There needs to be a shakeup within the party, a major one.  Democrats are damn Communists these days.  I hate both your parties, that easy.  No where have I seen anyone stand up for constitutional rights, period.

I tell people to get involved and then I am told to get involved.  Damn if I was any more involved I would be running for president myself.  

Your solution is simple.  Dont take what they give you on the platter at the booth, you design the platter.  Thats what I am doing.

The whole point to me posting on this thread to begin with as dealing with Rush and his partisan republican attitude that I hate.  At least it was about that until it was degraded into 3rd party talk.  And by the way, whoever says a 3rd party is a bad idea is approaching it from a COMPLETELY WRONG PERSPECTIVE.  POLITICS ALWAYS STARTS LOCALLY AND SO SHOULD A 3RD PARTY, IT DOESNT START FROM THE HIGHEST POSITION IN THE COUNTRY!  Sometimes I wonder who is the bigger idiot, Republicans or Libertarians.

AMEN!!!

[rich_t]

The RINO's don't define the Party.

He's saying don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

They are starting to.  And they will succeed if we do not stay vigilant and active to prevent it.

[rich_t]

You know what the problems with most republicans is, they forgot how to vote the man but now pull for the party line.  What ever happened to the constitution?  Oh I forgot they replaced it with Republicans and Democrats... how stupid of me to think otherwise.

And by the way, what the **** is up with everyone assuming anyone who is conservative bashing the republicans assuming that they want to start a damn third party? 

Oh, one more thing, I am doing something and I am not short on solutions whatsoever.  Perhaps you should come over to my part of the country and take a look at what we are doing.  Never know, you might actually learn something. 

The rest of your comment is nothing but dribble knee jerk pissed attitude because someone called the republican party.... bad.   Oh , wow, how dare he.

It's a knee jerk reaction by those who can't stand it when folks won't drink the kool-aide offered by their side.

They are perpetually content to settle for the lessor of two evils.  Oh,and they get pretty insulting in the process when their views are challanged.  Instead of actually dicussing the points made by others, they opt to attack the person making it.  Much like DUers do.

Ain't political forums fun?

I too am pretty fed up with both major political parties right now at the national level. 

[Duke Nukum]

It's a knee jerk reaction by those who can't stand it when folks won't drink the kool-aide offered by their side.

They are perpetually content to settle for the lessor of two evils.  Oh,and they get pretty insulting in the process when their views are challanged.  Instead of actually dicussing the points made by others, they opt to attack the person making it.  Much like DUers do.

Ain't political forums fun?

I too am pretty fed up with both major political parties right now at the national level. 

The way I see it, it is people getting fed up with knee-jerk complaining while not offering any solution.  Probably nobody here is happy with Brown voting for cloture on something called a jobs bill.  OTOH, who would you have voted for in Brown Vs. Coakly?  Or any RINO vs. Far Left Progressive Dane-type?  There are certain realities to deal with and if you are not happy with the current realities, what are you doing to change them other than calling people who recognize the current realities "Kool-aide drinkers?"

So, if you don't like the GOP, you don't like the Democrat Party and you say you aren't for a third party, then what are you suggesting?

[rich_t]

Duke,

What I am suggesting and have been for a while now it for conservatives to take back the GOP, to reform the party into something we can feel good about supporting.  That means insisting on actual conservatives, not lib-lite like we have been seeing far too often from the GOP in recent years.  If a person looks good from your own political POV then vote for them.  If they don't live up to your expectations them fire him during the next election cycle.

Do I expect to agree 100% of the time with any politician, even one that I voted for?  Of course not.  Is Brown going to better in the long run than Coakley?  Only time will tell.  The good people of MA. need to keep an eye on his voting record and not his party affiliation.

I've met some southern democrats that are just as conservative as I am on many issues.  I have also met some northern republican that are down right liberal.

I don't have the option of voting for Senators from other states, but I sure do get stuck having to live with the crap they vote for.  

Do I expect everyone to be as or more conservative than I am?  No.  But that doesn't stop me from wishing it were so and for voting for people that are.

It seems that far too often these days, people aren't voting FOR anyone, they are voting AGAINST the other person.

Why does the GOP keep running and supoorting RINOs?  Because they have learned that the people will tolerate it.  Some of these republicans are just as progressive as their democrat counterparts; they are merely driving the bus to socialism at a slower speed.

This county didn't get as screwed up as it is overnight.  It has been incremental changes spread out over decades, often voted on the wee hours of the morning.

Well, IMO we don't have decades to correct it.  Do I have all the answers?  Nope.

But I do know that unless things change drastically and very soon, America will become nothing more than another banana republic.

[Wineslob]

The issue quite simple to remedy. Vote Republican, and, if they don't deserve it, not incumbent Republican.

[TheSarge]

I'm not calling for a third party, I'm call for an organized conservative faction inside the GOP to take it over.

And they are trying.  But it won't happen overnight...it won't happen by proclaiming Ron Paul as our savior and it won't happen as long as the RINO's and the Libtards see that there is division among our ranks.

[TheSarge]

And by the way, what the **** is up with everyone assuming anyone who is conservative bashing the republicans assuming that they want to start a damn third party? 

Could be all of that bullshit blather we keep hearing from you disgruntled types about how Dems and Republicans are no different.

It's disingenuious...displays a shallow level of thinking and is so knee jerk that I'm surprised you don't have TBI.

Oh, one more thing, I am doing something and I am not short on solutions whatsoever.  Perhaps you should come over to my part of the country and take a look at what we are doing.  Never know, you might actually learn something. 

Couldn't teach me anything I haven't learned from my state.

The rest of your comment is nothing but dribble knee jerk pissed attitude because someone called the republican party.... bad.   Oh , wow, how dare he.

GFYS....and I mean that with all sincerity.  You've been nothing but a bombastic asshat since you showed up here.

[TheSarge]

The issue quite simple to remedy. Vote Republican, and, if they don't deserve it, not incumbent Republican.

Simple and easy.  Too bad the reactionaries on this thread can't see the simplicity in that.

[Javelin]

Simple and easy.  Too bad the reactionaries on this thread can't see the simplicity in that.

Yeah its so easy a caveman could do it and thats why we have ended up in the bull shit that we have today.  Thank you for your in depth auto vote little participation for an R that requires little to no brainpower to facilitate the degradation of our rights and our childrens future.  Hell, maybe next time they will take the Patriot Act and actually do something invasive on the American public right?

And to think you call people like me shallow... Some people here have some serious mental issues.  But your right about one thing.  Its always easier to vote R, not get involved to change anything because you sitting on your ass crying about no one presenting a solution.  Good job.

[Wineslob]

Simple and easy.  Too bad the reactionaries on this thread can't see the simplicity in that.

I'm not surprised. An Assshat is an Asshat.

[Javelin]

I'm not surprised. An Assshat is an Asshat.

Well said coming from an Asshat.  I find it absolutely amazing that the ass is so blind to see the double standard. 

 

I have been watching the meter.. its climbing the more you speak 

And if I ever found an application for this.. its here with you and your friend.

 

[LC EFA]

...
Why does the GOP keep running and supoorting RINOs?  Because they have learned that the people will tolerate it.  Some of these republicans are just as progressive as their democrat counterparts; they are merely driving the bus to socialism at a slower speed.

...

They keep running and supporting RINO's because there are many districts where the voting demographic means that a hardline candidate of either stripe cannot win. For the GOP this is especially true in marginal or heavily blue parts of the country.
 

[The Village Idiot]

They keep running and supporting RINO's because there are many districts where the voting demographic means that a hardline candidate of either stripe cannot win. For the GOP this is especially true in marginal or heavily blue parts of the country.
 

Like Florida, Texas, Arizona, Arkansas, South Carolina