Who would you rather have? Romney or Huckabee?

[Mustang]

Well I know that Romney is gonna push for 2012, I have no idea about Huckabee.

Just out of curiousity, who would you rather have as the GOP candidate in 2012?
Romney, Huckabee, or neither?

I'll go with Romney, I think he is a solid conservative, although his healthcare debacle in Mass. was crap. For the most part he governed from the right and made good use of his veto pen, and I like his business credentials.

I like Huckabee, don't like his Fair tax position. Love his show. His stance on immigration is crap, that's why Geraldo Rivera loves him.

Then there's Tim Pillenty, don't know much about him.

Bobby Jindal, solid conservative, he won't run though--he's still young (30's?) and wants to add a few more years of experience under his belt.

My dream ticket would be Rove/Limbaugh, but that'll never happen so I have to settle for what's out there.

I think it would be hilarious to see Joe Wilson run against Obama, lol.

Palin won't run, otherwise she would have stayed as governor. I think she is more concerned with her book.

So, I'll take Romney for sure.

[djones520]

Huckabee.  I think he's a bit lighter on foreign policy then I would like, but he's a good person who I shares many convictions that I do, and I don't doubt his sincerity in sticking to them.

[Mustang]

Huckabee.  I think he's a bit lighter on foreign policy then I would like, but he's a good person who I shares many convictions that I do, and I don't doubt his sincerity in sticking to them.

He refused to endorse Chris Christie for governnor (NJ) and Kim Gidano (Lt. Governor), because "they weren't conservative enough".
Kim Gidano is a Sheriff who is tough on illegal immigration with an impecible record, but is pro-choice.
And Chris Christie is conservative all the way, he didn't even bother to ask Kim on her position on abortion. And she doesn't have any power to do anything about it anyway.

I like Huckabee a lot, but he is far too soft on illegal immigration. I'll take a candidate who is tough on immigration over a pro-lifer.
I am pro-life myself, but it isn't my top priority issue. Nothing is gonna be done about it until Roe v. Wade is overturned.

[RightCoast]

Huckabee? He looks like Cooter from the Duke's of Hazard and his name is just as bad.

Don't know much about Tim which to me implies he's pretty solid otherwise the media would be all over him.

Bobby's not ready just yet.

Palin is more worried about her family then a book - but way to pile-on I guess Katie and Gibson didn't enough damage.

I'd vote for Romney without reservation. Though he brings some baggage.

[Mustang]

I'd vote for Romney without reservation. Though he brings some baggage.

Ditto.

Huckabee.  I think he's a bit lighter on foreign policy then I would like

I dunno, he's pretty hawkish. He opposes a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. So do I. Let the Jews have some land for Christ's sake. Islam sucks.

[Chris]

I had to hold my nose to vote for Romney in the primary and felt ill afterward, but Huckabee's willingness to embrace the limelight with his TV show makes me think he's more of a simple anti-DC populist than a conservative.  I would give Romney a slight preference to Huckabee, but given either choice in a general election I wouldn't feel any worse casting my ballot than the choice the GOP has given us since 1988.

[Ree]

Neither....They're both SOSDD

[Mustang]

I think Romney would make a great president.
I know Romney is running for 2012 for sure, so he has my vote unless someone I like more pops up.
It pretty much depends on Obama's approval rating 3 years from now. If Obama's approval rating is low, there will be blood in the water and everyone is gonna want a piece. If his approval is high, there will be less known candidates going for it.
Let's pray for lots of blood in the water.

Neither....They're both SOSDD

What is SOSDD?

[Chris]

Same old shit, different day.  Personally, I'm tired of telling the kitchen I want a medium rare ribeye and getting a burned hamburger in return. 

[Mustang]

Same old shit, different day.  Personally, I'm tired of telling the kitchen I want a medium rare ribeye and getting a burned hamburger in return.  

Well, at this point, the SOSDD Romney would be a savior compared to an additional 4 years of Obama.
I want someone with executive experience to run against dear leader, to put him in his place, and Romney has plenty of that on both the public and private sectors.

[Chris]

Well, at this point, the SOSDD Romney would be a savior compared to an additional 4 years of Obama.

And that was the candidate the Republican party ran in 1996 with Bob Dole.  I liked Mr. Dole but he ran a lousy, weak campaign.  Spent more time apologizing for his own side just like McCain did.  Anybody But Clinton didn't work that year, just like Anybody But Bush didn't work for Kerry. 

I like Romney.  I just don't think he's the man to beat the Cult of Obama in a general election.  Unfortunately, he may be the cards we're dealt, but that's life.

[Mustang]

And that was the candidate the Republican party ran in 1996 with Bob Dole.  I liked Mr. Dole but he ran a lousy, weak campaign.  Spent more time apologizing for his own side just like McCain did.  Anybody But Clinton didn't work that year, just like Anybody But Bush didn't work for Kerry.  

I like Romney.  I just don't think he's the man to beat the Cult of Obama in a general election.  Unfortunately, he may be the cards we're dealt, but that's life.

I see your point. But Romney is handsome which may garnish the female vote, he has an excellent speaking voice, pretty good debater, a genius debater compared to Obama. And he is not too old, I think he is 60, but he looks like he is in his late 40's. I think he is charismatic enough to win and will most likely run a good campaign. Bob Dole and McCain were dinosaurs, of course they were gonna lose. As shallow as people can be, a lot of people vote on looks and charisma. And Romney has that + executive experience. Reagan was a dinosaur, but at least he was very charismatic and looked good for his age.

[Chris]

Curb appeal can't hurt... it worked for Obama.

[TheSarge]

Neither

[Ree]

I see your point. But Romney is handsome which may garnish the female vote, he has an excellent speaking voice, pretty good debater, a genius debater compared to Obama. And he is not too old, I think he is 60, but he looks like he is in his late 40's. I think he is charismatic enough to win and will most likely run a good campaign. Bob Dole and McCain were dinosaurs, of course they were gonna lose. As shallow as people can be, a lot of people vote on looks and charisma. And Romney has that + executive experience. Reagan was a dinosaur, but at least he was very charismatic and looked good for his age.

Ya gotta be kiddin me...He looks like a ken doll with plastic hair, and about the same charisma as Ken...

[docstew]

Neither.  Huckabee is, as was mentioned, a populist, and Romney, while a decent speaker, doesn't really excite me.

I'd rather have the Fairtax than what we have now.

[The Village Idiot]

I'd vote Libertarian first.

[Mustang]

Ya gotta be kiddin me...He looks like a ken doll with plastic hair, and about the same charisma as Ken...

Ugh, not really.

[The Village Idiot]

Romney is a used car dealer. Huckabee is a creepy Uncle.

Go Sarah.

[Mustang]

I'd rather have the Fairtax than what we have now.

No thanks, I don't want to pay $3.50 for a soda or $40 for a hammer. Maybe on a single guy living by himself it would be cheaper than what we have now. But it basically punishes families, as families consume a lot of things.  

I'd vote Libertarian first.

I'm not with the libertarian bandwagon. I'm conservative on social issues which is why I don't see eye to eye with libertarians.
I am pro-life, I think marijuana should be illegal, I believe marriage is between one man and one woman and should stay that way, and the fact that we have freedom of religion--not freedom from religion.

[atruevoice]

The topic of who will run against Obama in 2012 actually interests me a lot. I think that the Republicans will certainly gain a few seats in Both the House and Senate as it does seem that many people voted against Republicans in 2006 and 2008, but not really "For" anyone, which could slim the democratic majority or perhaps even turn it over to the Republicans with the congressional elections in 2010 and 2012 it is very feesible, especially if things don't get a lot better, a lot sooner. I have actually been watching a great deal of FOX news recently as I wanted to see what fascinated you guys so much and some of what they are saying does make sense, the more I think about it I think Obama may actually hate white America, it makes sense given his upringing and the Black Liberation Church he belonged to. I think Republicans need something different though to spice things up, like a Black Woman to run for president, it would have to be someone moderate-right, an interesting choice would be Condolezza Rice, however she has no interest in the position but I really do admire her. I think a more willing individual would be Lolita Jackson, look her up, she may interest some of you all and I would certainly vote for her reguardless of her registered party, but she is a republican.

[Mustang]

The topic of who will run against Obama in 2012 actually interests me a lot. I think that the Republicans will certainly gain a few seats in Both the House and Senate as it does seem that many people voted against Republicans in 2006 and 2008, but not really "For" anyone, which could slim the democratic majority or perhaps even turn it over to the Republicans with the congressional elections in 2010 and 2012 it is very feesible, especially if things don't get a lot better, a lot sooner. I have actually been watching a great deal of FOX news recently as I wanted to see what fascinated you guys so much and some of what they are saying does make sense, the more I think about it I think Obama may actually hate white America, it makes sense given his upringing and the Black Liberation Church he belonged to. I think Republicans need something different though to spice things up, like a Black Woman to run for president, it would have to be someone moderate-right, an interesting choice would be Condolezza Rice, however she has no interest in the position but I really do admire her. I think a more willing individual would be Lolita Jackson, look her up, she may interest some of you all and I would certainly vote for her reguardless of her registered party, but she is a republican.

I admire conservative minorities. They "get it" and are not loyal exclusively to their own race and do not see themselves as victims.
I've met a lot of African immigrants living in New Jersey, they are the most warm, friendly, and patriotic people you will ever meet--they love America. African Americans tend to not like Africans because they are not down for the "struggle" and reject the socialist black liberation theology of the African American community and church. You can see that there is a huge cultural difference between the African American community and Africans. The hispanic community world view is very ethno-centric, and will only support candidates that kiss their ass--and they will stamp any candidate that's tough on immigration to be a racist enemy of the hispanic community. The exception to this is Cubans. Cubans are overwhelmingly Republican because they come to this country to escape Communism, so they see through the liberal agenda.

I can't remember her name, but she is a very attractive conservative black woman who is a fox news contributor. I would vote for her in a heartbeat. The last time I saw her, she made Marc Lamont Hill look like a total idiot on O'Reilly, it was hilarious.

[docstew]

No thanks, I don't want to pay $3.50 for a soda or $40 for a hammer. Maybe on a single guy living by himself it would be cheaper than what we have now. But it basically punishes families, as families consume a lot of things.  

Do you understand how the Fairtax works?  Do you know what behavior it does punish?  Illegal behavior.  Currently, if you make you living illegally, you pay no taxes, as you don't report your income.  Under the Fairtax, who cares where the money comes from, you spend it on new items, you pay the tax.  It also punishes illegal immigration.  It encourages economic growth because corporate tax rates go to 0%, which will also cause prices for consumer goods to drop, as producers will not need to pass the bill for their taxes on to consumers in the form of higher prices.

Educate yourself before you buy into the line that "everything will cost more" that the NYT peddles.  Hell, all you have to do is listen to Neal Boortz, he literally wrote the book on the Fairtax.

It's "good party soldiers" like you that keep ideas like the Fairtax, ideas which put power in the people's hands, from being accepted.

[Mustang]

Do you understand how the Fairtax works?  Do you know what behavior it does punish?  Illegal behavior.  Currently, if you make you living illegally, you pay no taxes, as you don't report your income.  Under the Fairtax, who cares where the money comes from, you spend it on new items, you pay the tax.  It also punishes illegal immigration.  It encourages economic growth because corporate tax rates go to 0%, which will also cause prices for consumer goods to drop, as producers will not need to pass the bill for their taxes on to consumers in the form of higher prices.

Educate yourself before you buy into the line that "everything will cost more" that the NYT peddles.  Hell, all you have to do is listen to Neal Boortz, he literally wrote the book on the Fairtax.

It's "good party soldiers" like you that keep ideas like the Fairtax, ideas which put power in the people's hands, from being accepted.

You claimed that I didn't know how the fair tax system works, yet you seem to be alright with the idea of high costs of everything and you failed to explain how the fairtax would not punish families. Your argument is a little illogical, corporate taxes goes to 0%? Does that even matter if that corporation ends up paying 30% more for toilet paper and every little thing they need to run their business, did that even factor into your brain?
It punishes illegals? Yeah, but it punishes families even more. Basically, the more children you have, the higher the taxes you are paying because your family is consuming a lot. Those federally taxed diapers gonna add up.

Are you trying to suggest I am ignorant and RINO because I don't support the "Fair tax"? Structure our entire economy on a huge federal sales tax? Have you ever lived in New York city? I did, for 6 months, try paying 10% sales tax on everything you buy and see how happy you are.
If there was a fair tax, were talking about sales tax + federal sales tax, that's not conservatively cunning, it's just plain silly.

Also, a fair tax system would make the U.S. government strictly dependent on the success of a retail based economy, and it may hurt the retail sector.

[docstew]

go to fairtax.org and read the list of hundreds of economists who have endorsed it.

What does the income tax do?  it taxes people on how much they say they make, increasing in rate of taxation (think govt confiscation) as the income goes up.  IOW, it punishes success and hard work.

What does corporate taxes do?  adds more overhead onto the cost of doing business.  In a free market, what happens when you can produce an item for less money per unit?  If you are in a competitive market, you lower prices to get more customers.  Many manufacturers and retailers have stated that without the "embedded taxes" they collect through higher prices for their products, they would lower prices to get a competitive edge.

IF you are truly a conservative and wish to return the country to what the founder's originally envisioned, you would see that allowing Congress (either party) to dictate behavior through taxation is a usurpation of power.  What happens if you do something they don't like?  they tax the hell out of it (i.e. bonuses to, IIRC, Goldman Sachs execs, which were legal until the outcry started).