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What if ObamaCare Were A Restaurant?
« on: July 20, 2009, 07:05:26 PM »
'nuff said

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Re: What if ObamaCare Were A Restaurant?
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2009, 07:12:43 PM »
If I was a proponent,  I don't think that would convince me. For starters, some DUmbass is going to throw up the notion that it isn't doctors and patients alone making the decisions, but the insurance companies as well.
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Re: What if ObamaCare Were A Restaurant?
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2009, 07:26:26 PM »
Just curious.  Is there a chance that Roe V Wade could be used to stop government interference in health care?  I know the author takes the opposite tack, but I think the left would place abortion and baby killing rights above government health care.
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Is ObamaCare the End of Roe v. Wade?
Is ObamaCare poised to extinguish Roe v. Wade?
Talk about the law of unintended consequences.
Stated or unstated, a driving force behind modern liberalism takes root in the 1973 Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade, in which abortion was legalized. The Court found a "right to privacy" guaranteed by the due process clause of the 14th Amendment, saying that a woman had a constitutional right to abort her child up until the "point at which the fetus becomes viable." The Court quite specifically defined viability as the point at which a fetus is "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid. Viability is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks."
Quite aside from the political acrimony the Roe decision has generated from the day it was issued, the hot debate over President Obama's health care proposal alters the abortion debate in a fashion quite unintended. If passed, ObamaCare could instantly set up a legal confrontation between the principle behind President's health care system -- and the principle undergirding Roe v. Wade. Which in turn would launch a political battle royal between proponents of government health care and abortion rights.
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Re: What if ObamaCare Were A Restaurant?
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2009, 07:56:46 PM »
Just curious.  Is there a chance that Roe V Wade could be used to stop government interference in health care?  I know the author takes the opposite tack, but I think the left would place abortion and baby killing rights above government health care.  American Spectator

I read that article and was reflexively joyous at the notion.

Then I remembered these are liberals we're dealing with and dead babies are an article of faith.

Abortion will be listed as an essential OB-GYN service thus circumventing Title X(?) and anyone who says oherwise would be naive.
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Re: What if ObamaCare Were A Restaurant?
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2009, 08:44:09 PM »
Apparently marinated livers are off the menu:

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A 22-year-old alcoholic has died after being refused a life-saving liver transplant because he was too ill to leave hospital and prove he could stay sober.
 
Gary with his mother just days before he died. Pic: The Sunday Times



Gary Reinbach, who died in hospital on Monday from a severe case of liver cirrhosis, did not qualify for a donor liver under strict NHS rules.

The alcoholic, from Dagenham, Essex, had admitted binge drinking since he was 13 but was only taken to hospital for the first time with liver problems 10 weeks ago.

He was never discharged.

His mother Madeline Hanshaw, 44, said: "These rules are really unfair."

She told the Evening Standard: "I'm not saying you should give a transplant to someone who is in and out of hospital all the time and keeps damaging themselves, but just for people like Gary, who made a mistake and never got a second chance."

She said he was "desperate to recover" but had deteriorated quickly.

Mr Reinbach's family said he had started drinking aged 11 when his parents split up and drank heavily from the age of 13.

He had recently tried to give up and had signed up for support group Alcoholics Anonymous just weeks before he was taken into hospital, they said.

His brother Luke, 18, told the Evening Standard: "They never gave him the chance to show he could change."
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Considering this development I find it ironic Sen. Kennedy is pushing for this sort of healthcare. Congratulations commies, you've turned alcoholism into a capital offense.
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Re: What if ObamaCare Were A Restaurant?
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2009, 09:11:01 PM »
Apparently marinated livers are off the menu:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Alcoholic-22-Dies-After-Being-Refused-Life-Saving-Liver-Transplant/Article/200907315342299?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15342299_Alcoholic%2C_22%2C_Dies_After_Being_Refused_Life-Saving_Liver_Transplant

Considering this development I find it ironic Sen. Kennedy is pushing for this sort of healthcare. Congratulations commies, you've turned alcoholism into a capital offense.

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Re: What if ObamaCare Were A Restaurant?
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2009, 11:37:53 AM »
Extreme stupidity is often fatal.



I agree. But even in our system he would have been at least added to the list instead of outright denied. He may not have ever gotten a liver in time, but the system would have made the attempt.
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Re: What if ObamaCare Were A Restaurant?
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2009, 11:53:13 AM »
I agree. But even in our system he would have been at least added to the list instead of outright denied. He may not have ever gotten a liver in time, but the system would have made the attempt.

Didn't the fat alcoholic, David Crosby get a suspiciously quick kidney transplant several years ago?

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Re: What if ObamaCare Were A Restaurant?
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2009, 03:12:27 PM »
Didn't the fat alcoholic, David Crosby get a suspiciously quick kidney transplant several years ago?

Yep. So if our system gave a good liver to some burnt out, drug abusing, booze swillin, WoodStock 69 alumni, then it should give a chance to a 21 year old.
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Re: What if ObamaCare Were A Restaurant?
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2009, 06:04:08 PM »
Yep. So if our system gave a good liver to some burnt out, drug abusing, booze swillin, WoodStock 69 alumni, then it should give a chance to a 21 year old.
It is kinda hard to respect a coke-head who still becomes obese.
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Re: What if ObamaCare Were A Restaurant?
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2009, 06:39:31 PM »
It is kinda hard to respect a coke-head who still becomes obese.

Let's not forget that he "fathered" a child for a lesbian couple.  :fuelfire: