Obama v Fox News - Greta responds to his whining....

[Lanie]

That second bolded sentence is proof that Bev Perdue IS a progressive.  That's the "progressive" way: confiscate people's money, dumb them down so they can't think for themselves, and hiding their real intentions.

Yeah, well NCers are pretty pissed. That includes some who voted for her. She *supposedly* is about to put a state tax out on cigarettes to add yet another dollar. I've been hearing that for two months now though.

And we found out the majority of the money spent in the fairly new lottery system is not going toward education as promised. Okay, but where is it going? Roads? Social Services? Somebody's pocket? A lot of people are thinking the third. Where the heck is it going?

[TheSarge]

Nearly anytime I was on a protest, the mainstream media reported that probably a fourth of what really showed up showed up. And I'm not taking the word of far lefty sources outside of the recruiters. Plus, I know the difference between a march that has 50,000 and a march that has 200,000.

Really?  Then you are better than the park service...police departments and others that actually count the people that attend these rallies.

I think your problem is that you prefer to believe the propaganda handed out by the leftist pro terrorist folks you are "rallying" with than the actual numbers.

I haven't been to a protest around D.C. yet that had MORE than 20K.

And when the cops beat up a libertarian during the march right after the war officially ended? Why wasn't that all over the press?

Because the media is too stupid/lazy to know that Libertarians are NOT part of the Conservative Republican movement.  They just assume it's another CONservative getting what he deserved.

Now has that been some dope smoking slacker punk war protestor getting the business end of the baton it would have garnered a weeks worth of coverage.

If the media only has a lefty bias, why wasn't any of this reported?

If it makes the left look bad or the right look good...you'll never hear a peep.

Why is it that until American public opinion officially shifted, the mainstream "leftist" media would not say shit about our side of things?

 

What the **** are you talking about you twit?  The ONLY "side of things" that the MSM reports...propagandizes...lip synchs IS THE LEFTIST POINT OF VIEW!!!!!

Jesus H. Christ...that statement right there PROVES to me that you are soo far to the left you can't SEE the center much less understand where it is.

Take a look folks...right here is THE shining example of what 12 years of Liberal Indoctrination via public school and watching nothing but the MSM produces.

Tx, I'm showing an open mind. Just because I'm not a complete convert doesn't mean I'm not showing an open mind. I just can't forget stuff *I* saw years ago just because people on a message board want me to.

If what you're shoving passes for an "open mind" someone needs to break out the jaws of life.

I don't give a rats ass if you're some kind of "convert".  What I'm trying to tell you...is that you've been completely brainwashed...to the point you don't even realize it.

on edit: FWIW, I would have tried to come if I had gotten your e-mail.

 

[Lanie]

Really?  Then you are better than the park service...police departments and others that actually count the people that attend these rallies.

I think your problem is that you prefer to believe the propaganda handed out by the leftist pro terrorist folks you are "rallying" with than the actual numbers.

I haven't been to a protest around D.C. yet that had MORE than 20K.
 

Because the media is too stupid/lazy to know that Libertarians are NOT part of the Conservative Republican movement.  They just assume it's another CONservative getting what he deserved.

Now has that been some dope smoking slacker punk war protestor getting the business end of the baton it would have garnered a weeks worth of coverage.

If it makes the left look bad or the right look good...you'll never hear a peep.
  

What the **** are you talking about you twit?  The ONLY "side of things" that the MSM reports...propagandizes...lip synchs IS THE LEFTIST POINT OF VIEW!!!!!

Jesus H. Christ...that statement right there PROVES to me that you are soo far to the left you can't SEE the center much less understand where it is.

Take a look folks...right here is THE shining example of what 12 years of Liberal Indoctrination via public school and watching nothing but the MSM produces.
 

If what you're shoving passes for an "open mind" someone needs to break out the jaws of life.

I don't give a rats ass if you're some kind of "convert".  What I'm trying to tell you...is that you've been completely brainwashed...to the point you don't even realize it.

 

Okay Tx, you're right. The media is leftist. I'm totally far to the left despite my righty qualities in actual politics. You're just right about everything.

There, happy now? I think that's the only thing that does make you happy, so there.

on edit: Has it ever occured to you that maybe you're so far to the right that *You* are the one who can't see the center?  Seriously, do you have many if any centrist qualities at all? Is there anything you even disagree with your party about (outside of things that make it further to the left). There are things I disagree with my party on out in the open. I don't see the same with you, just far righty stuff. But I'm the one who can't see the center just because I won't agree with you? Don't worry. You won't be held responsible for that since this is your terf. You actually had some good points until the last few lines of crap.

[Lanie]

Okay Tx, you're right. The media is leftist. I'm totally far to the left despite my righty qualities in actual politics. You're just right about everything.

There, happy now? I think that's the only thing that does make you happy, so there.

on edit: Has it ever occured to you that maybe you're so far to the right that *You* are the one who can't see the center?  Seriously, do you have many if any centrist qualities at all? Is there anything you even disagree with your party about (outside of things that make it further to the left). There are things I disagree with my party on out in the open. I don't see the same with you, just far righty stuff. But I'm the one who can't see the center just because I won't agree with you? Don't worry. You won't be held responsible for that since this is your terf. You actually had some good points until the last few lines of crap.

Okay, I've had some time to chill.

You do have a point when saying that the Libertarians come off as another conservative to some of the far left. I remember far leftists empathizing with that Libertarian, but your explanation would make sense media wise.

It would also make sense to say that if it makes the left look bad, they won't report it. While I do think the cops were getting aggressive (for reasons I didn't even put in this thread), I do also remember the major Socialists (we called them anarchists at the time) trying to block us so the police would take it out on us or them. I remember telling other protesters that they weren't on our side at all. These aren't people that the mainstream media wants to associate with. They're total pricks.

A protest where you can't hardly walk is only 20,000?

And I'll gladly start doing the counting if giving the job to. I might want to get a righty to count behind me so I'm not accused of bias, but I'll take the job.

[TheSarge]

Okay Tx, you're right. The media is leftist. I'm totally far to the left despite my righty qualities in actual politics. You're just right about everything.

And right on cue Bridget returns to her petchulant child mode.

   And you wonder why we don't treat you like one of the adults around here.

There, happy now? I think that's the only thing that does make you happy, so there.

GFYS you ignornant leftist tool.

on edit: Has it ever occured to you that maybe you're so far to the right that *You* are the one who can't see the center?  Seriously, do you have many if any centrist qualities at all? Is there anything you even disagree with your party about (outside of things that make it further to the left). There are things I disagree with my party on out in the open. I don't see the same with you, just far righty stuff. But I'm the one who can't see the center just because I won't agree with you? Don't worry. You won't be held responsible for that since this is your terf. You actually had some good points until the last few lines of crap.

What I am...you babbling brook of idiocy...is an expert in the subject in which you have continually and constantly displayed a genuine lack of knowledge of for everyone to see.

I have spent the last 20 years of my life in some form or fashion of broadcasting and/or broadcast journalism.  I have worked it form the civilian AND the military side of the house.

In short I've seen and continue to see what goes on behind the scenes that you do not have...nor will EVERY have the ability to see.

So when I tell you that you do NOT know what the f*ck you are talking about...that is not coming from any kind of personal political bias...it is from a PROFESSIONAL perspective.

You're so steeped in your bias and base EVERYTHING in your small little life on those biased beliefs that you expect EVERYONE ELSE to be just like you in how they see things and act in the world.

You are in essence...accusing the rest of us of leading our lives in the exact fashion that you lead yours.

And it just doesn't work like that in reality.

Grow up little girl...most of the adults in this world don't go through life like that...the ones that do end up at plcaes like DU.

[TheSarge]

Okay, I've had some time to chill.

You do have a point when saying that the Libertarians come off as another conservative to some of the far left. I remember far leftists empathizing with that Libertarian, but your explanation would make sense media wise.

It would also make sense to say that if it makes the left look bad, they won't report it. While I do think the cops were getting aggressive (for reasons I didn't even put in this thread), I do also remember the major Socialists (we called them anarchists at the time) trying to block us so the police would take it out on us or them. I remember telling other protesters that they weren't on our side at all. These aren't people that the mainstream media wants to associate with. They're total pricks.

A protest where you can't hardly walk is only 20,000?

And I'll gladly start doing the counting if giving the job to. I might want to get a righty to count behind me so I'm not accused of bias, but I'll take the job.

F-you.  I'm done with you and your silly little games.

And so help me GOD if you send me a 5 paragraph PM whining about how unfair and mean I'm being I will post it for everyone to see...I don't care about the repercussions.

[Lanie]

And right on cue Bridget returns to her petchulant child mode.

   And you wonder why we don't treat you like one of the adults around here.
 

GFYS you ignornant leftist tool.

What I am...you babbling brook of idiocy...is an expert in the subject in which you have continually and constantly displayed a genuine lack of knowledge of for everyone to see.

I have spent the last 20 years of my life in some form or fashion of broadcasting and/or broadcast journalism.  I have worked it form the civilian AND the military side of the house.

In short I've seen and continue to see what goes on behind the scenes that you do not have...nor will EVERY have the ability to see.

So when I tell you that you do NOT know what the f*ck you are talking about...that is not coming from any kind of personal political bias...it is from a PROFESSIONAL perspective.

You're so steeped in your bias and base EVERYTHING in your small little life on those biased beliefs that you expect EVERYONE ELSE to be just like you in how they see things and act in the world.

You are in essence...accusing the rest of us of leading our lives in the exact fashion that you lead yours.

And it just doesn't work like that in reality.

Grow up little girl...most of the adults in this world don't go through life like that...the ones that do end up at plcaes like DU.

Uh, what if I said that I've met lefties who are professionals in different things? Who do I listen to?

[AllosaursRus]

Uh, what if I said that I've met lefties who are professionals in different things? Who do I listen to?

Looks to me like if you just pay attention to the MSM and have a logical mind, it's impossible not to see how biased the alphabet networks have become. Did you not pay attention as to the way they treated our previous pres? Now they can't see or do anything but hoist the Bam Bam as the savior of the world. You don't notice the diff?

I have an idea, listen to Rush, Hannity, and Levin for a week and tell me they're just propogandists like your beloved MSM. Levin is on right now her's the link! They play them all every day mon-fri.

http://www.wabcradio.com/article.asp?id=531472

[Duke Nukum]

FWIW, I also sometimes want to watch Fox news thinking they're probably reporting something that may not be seen elsewhere.

Watch Red Eye, they definitely report on things covered up by the rest of the media.

[Duke Nukum]

I doubt I'll ever be a righty. While I do agree with conservatives on some stuff, I have trouble bringing myself to pull the R lever most of the time. lol.

There's no such thing as "righties" except on the left.  Pretty much there are American conservatives and everyone else is some form of socialist.  You probably already are a righty as you are at the end of the socialism spectrum that could rightly be called "righty."

[rich_t]

I don't think the class of 1990 had to pass an Algebra course.

Of course they did.  Back then it was considered basic math, not advanced math.

They merely didn't label it as algrebra.  They still had to solve problems with variables.

If X * Y = Z all you need is two known variables to determine the unknown one.

They call that algrebra these days.  I learned that crap in 6th grade.  Now days you don't learn it until 10th or 11th grade.  So no...  it is not harder now. They have merely lowered the bar.

[Hawkgirl]

There is a difference between not wanting an interview with a place and wanting to ban them. Ann Coulter refuses to be interviewed by many people. Does that make her anti-freedom of the press? No. That's quite a leap there.

Ann Coulter wasn't elected...Ann Coulter isn't the President.  Quite a leap THERE.

[Flame]

Of course they did.  Back then it was considered basic math, not advanced math.

They merely didn't label it as algrebra.  They still had to solve problems with variables.

If X * Y = Z all you need is two known variables to determine the unknown one.

They call that algrebra these days.  I learned that crap in 6th grade.  Now days you don't learn it until 10th or 11th grade.  So no...  it is not harder now. They have merely lowered the bar.

actually, that's not true...they start teaching algebraic concepts in 1st and 2nd grade, although they don't call it algebra.   7+ _=15 or  72/ _=9 Are common types of problems all through grade school, as are "Order of operation" type thing in the upper elementary levels.

[AllosaursRus]

Actually I was speaking of things like animal husbandry, surveying, knowing how to calculate crop yield, geography where you actually had to know where your state capital was, being able to calculate the square root of 23 without a calculator, those kinds of things. Nowadays we don;t even expect our college graduates to know where DC is, for cripes sake. Back then you had to be able to identify EVERY state capital and country in the whole frikkin' world. Our children aren't even taught who the current vice president is. (actually that may not be a bad thing).....

[Lanie]

Ann Coulter wasn't elected...Ann Coulter isn't the President.  Quite a leap THERE.

The President is a busy man. He can't give everybody who asks an interview. He might as well be selective about it.

Put another way, would Bush have been criticized if he did not want to speak with somebody he considered to be leftist and having a clear bias?

[Chris_]

The President is a busy man. He can't give everybody who asks an interview. He might as well be selective about it.

Put another way, would Bush have been criticized if he did not want to speak with somebody he considered to be leftist and having a clear bias?

But he did speak with a leftist with a clear bias almost every time he spoke with the media.

[Crazy Horse]

I remember standards being lower when I was a kid.
Anyway, the Governor is a she and not a he. If you live in NC, then her name if Bev Perdue. They make a big deal out of her being the first female Governor and supposedly a real progressive (like hell she is). I can't stand her though because she's increasing taxes like crazy, attacking education, and not showing at all where the money is going. Ugh! Disgusting. Some of this was a problem before Perdue, but she's perfecting it. Rob us blind and won't tell us where the money is going. Ugh!

If standards were lowered when you're a kid the you are still a kid.

You say Bev isn't a progressive

I've known Bev for more than 20 years and th only thing she isn't progressive about is the military.  I like Bev as a person, didn't vot for her though and she knows that, though it doesn't stop us from talking with each other.

Attacking education...............you mean the governor that is a former teacher and holds a PhD in education............that same Governor??

You got a problem how money is spent in NC talk with Lord Basnight

[docstew]

The President is a busy man. He can't give everybody who asks an interview. He might as well be selective about it.

Put another way, would Bush have been criticized if he did not want to speak with somebody he considered to be leftist and having a clear bias?

How many times has 0bama flown from one part of the country to another?  How many cumulative flight hours is that?  You do know that members of the press travel on AF1, right?  And that during that flight, he could grant interviews, to be conducted on the plane?  That's a BS argument, Bridget.  You know it is.  Quit defending his disregard for people who are percieved to disagree with him.  If he surrounds himself with nothing but sycophants, how is he supposed to get good information?

[Lanie]

F-you.  I'm done with you and your silly little games.

And so help me GOD if you send me a 5 paragraph PM whining about how unfair and mean I'm being I will post it for everyone to see...I don't care about the repercussions.

You're not worth my time anyway.

As for the PM threat, and people wonder why I bitch about the moderators around here? My gosh. I don't know of any other board that would allow that, but whatever. It'll get blown off in modshop as Lanie pushing poor Tx to the limit (even though you approached me and knew about the ignore function). Therefore, it's all her fault and Tx isn't responsible for his own actions. I can almost guarantee that's how it will be seen. But I'm the one playing victim?

[Lanie]

If standards were lowered when you're a kid the you are still a kid.

You say Bev isn't a progressive

I've known Bev for more than 20 years and th only thing she isn't progressive about is the military.  I like Bev as a person, didn't vot for her though and she knows that, though it doesn't stop us from talking with each other.

Attacking education...............you mean the governor that is a former teacher and holds a PhD in education............that same Governor??

You got a problem how money is spent in NC talk with Lord Basnight

Yeah, she used that "I used to be a teacher" line to get teachers to vote for her. Now, she's having teachers shitcanned. One of the popular positions to go is Teacher Assistants. She knows that when a teacher has thirty kids needing to learn the basic skills, that you need a TA. Basic skills can be the hardest to learn, but they're the most important. It has to be done. Some of these kids need more immediate attention, but for some reason can't be put into special classes for it. I've known teachers who have spent their spare time (including lunch) doing lesson plans. Taking away the TA means they have to find even more time to copy the papers and put them together as assignments.

There are some teaching positions that should be done away with. For example, some kids have a one on one assistant in their Individualized Education Program who do not need one. They'll still get one though because their IEP says so.

Then, there's the issue of cutting pay. That might be fine if the state of NC would actually buy something for the classrooms. Teachers have to buy a lot of their own stuff. That stuff on the walls? That came out of their pocket. The stuff on the tables (crayons, scissors, etc)? A lot of that was bought with their own money. And from what I heard, NC already was one of the lowest paying states in regards to teachers. Like I said before, that would be fine if the teachers didn't constantly put their own money into the job.

I've spoken with a lot of parents who think what Perdue has done is crap.

As for speaking with Basnight, thanks for the idea.

[docstew]

Yeah, she used that "I used to be a teacher" line to get teachers to vote for her. Now, she's having teachers shitcanned. One of the popular positions to go is Teacher Assistants. She knows that when a teacher has thirty kids needing to learn the basic skills, that you need a TA. Basic skills can be the hardest to learn, but they're the most important. It has to be done. Some of these kids need more immediate attention, but for some reason can't be put into special classes for it. I've known teachers who have spent their spare time (including lunch) doing lesson plans. Taking away the TA means they have to find even more time to copy the papers and put them together as assignments.

There are some teaching positions that should be done away with. For example, some kids have a one on one assistant in their Individualized Education Program who do not need one. They'll still get one though because their IEP says so.

Then, there's the issue of cutting pay. That might be fine if the state of NC would actually buy something for the classrooms. Teachers have to buy a lot of their own stuff. That stuff on the walls? That came out of their pocket. The stuff on the tables (crayons, scissors, etc)? A lot of that was bought with their own money. And from what I heard, NC already was one of the lowest paying states in regards to teachers. Like I said before, that would be fine if the teachers didn't constantly put their own money into the job.

I've spoken with a lot of parents who think what Perdue has done is crap.

As for speaking with Basnight, thanks for the idea.

Besides being able to listen to the sweet agony of your buyer's remorse for Perdue, how is a whine about teacher's pay relevant to 0bama denying interviews to Fox News because of percieved ideological differences?

[TheSarge]

But he did speak with a leftist with a clear bias almost every time he spoke with the media.

His "unscripted" Town Hall meetings are nothing more than pre planned propaganda.

The people asking the questions are picked beforehand with pre-approved questions that O already know are coming.

And I guess that Bridget would consider the ABC infomercial from the White House is balanced journalism.

[JohnnyReb]

She knows that when a teacher has thirty kids needing to learn the basic skills, that you need a TA. Basic skills can be the hardest to learn, but they're the most important. It has to be done. Some of these kids need more immediate attention, but for some reason can't be put into special classes for it. I've known teachers who have spent their spare time (including lunch) doing lesson plans. Taking away the TA means they have to find even more time to copy the papers and put them together as assignments.

That was the average size of the class when I went to school.....and no TA.

We were supposed to get those in grammar school and jr. high.

Huh? 20 students and a TA and it's still 2 weeks before son gets his corrected test papers back. Who needs them then.

.....and those "advanced classes he's taking were the norm when I went.......OK, so that was 50 years ago.......liberalism has done wonders with the school systems.

[TheSarge]

That was the average size of the class when I went to school.....and no TA.

We were supposed to get those in grammar school and jr. high.

Huh? 20 students and a TA and it's still 2 weeks before son gets his corrected test papers back. Who needs them then.

.....and those "advanced classes he's taking were the norm when I went.......OK, so that was 50 years ago.......liberalism has done wonders with the school systems.

It was still the norm when I was in elementary school in the 70's.

[Celtic Rose]

That was the average size of the class when I went to school.....and no TA.

We were supposed to get those in grammar school and jr. high.

Huh? 20 students and a TA and it's still 2 weeks before son gets his corrected test papers back. Who needs them then.

.....and those "advanced classes he's taking were the norm when I went.......OK, so that was 50 years ago.......liberalism has done wonders with the school systems.

Here in California,Kindergarten was limited to 20 students in 1995, 1st grade in 1996, 2nd grade in 1997, and 3rd grade in 1998.  No other grades ever got any limits. Our TA's are generally either parent volunteers, or student teachers, except in special education classrooms. Now we have no money, and people are wailing about class sizes going up.  My not very PC answer is that if we stopped providing free education to the children of illegal immigrant, a lot of classes would shrink pretty quickly. 

In reality though, I would like to see evidence that our education improved with the reduction of classes, and if it didn't, then we need to figure out why and resolve it.  Class size is not a magic bullet.