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Offline Hawkgirl

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Hypothetically Speaking....
« on: March 03, 2009, 12:13:18 PM »
..this socialist agenda Obama is putting into effect will and can be reversed once a conservative President takes back the country in 012...right????

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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2009, 12:16:54 PM »
..this socialist agenda Obama is putting into effect will and can be reversed once a conservative President takes back the country in 012...right????

hypothetically, yes.  but historically and practically, conservatives have a lousy track record an reversing this sort of thing.  the (flawed, in my opinion) thinking is that once a massive social program is entrenched, ripping it out would cause more damage than just reforming it as best you can around the edges, and living with it.


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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2009, 12:17:20 PM »
Yes, hypothetically.
Realistically, once they do it, we're stuck with it.

what he said. :-)

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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2009, 12:18:23 PM »
hypothetically, yes.  but historically and practically, conservatives have a lousy track record an reversing this sort of thing.  the (flawed, in my opinion) thinking is that once a massive social program is entrenched, ripping it out would cause more social damage than just reforming it as best you can around the edges, and living with it.


Perhaps, but with just 4 years, I wonder how many of these programs will actually go live before he's booted out of office.

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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2009, 12:20:58 PM »
Perhaps, but with just 4 years, I wonder how many of these programs will actually go live before he's booted out of office.

it's usually long enough, I am afraid.  these things get funded years into the future, and it's very, very difficult to undo that.  especially with willing idiots, er, accomplices, in charge in the house and senate.



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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2009, 12:26:51 PM »
it's usually long enough, I am afraid.  these things get funded years into the future, and it's very, very difficult to undo that.  especially with willing idiots, er, accomplices, in charge in the house and senate.




I have hope that many of those willing idiots will be replaced by folks with spines in 2010. We may not be able to do much now but perhaps we can stop some of the damage in less than two years.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2009, 12:35:33 PM »
Gonna piss a lot of you ladies off, but we discussed something similar in another thread:

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,23165.0.html
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2009, 12:47:40 PM »
Gonna piss a lot of you ladies off, but we discussed something similar in another thread:

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,23165.0.html

Makes me proud to be here.  Really.   :II:

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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2009, 12:49:32 PM »
I detect your sarcasm. Is that why you BS'd me?  :stirpot:
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2009, 12:52:07 PM »
Makes me proud to be here.  Really.   :II:

hey, at least he got your gender right.  imagine how BC and I feel right now. :bird:



 :-)

that thread is in GD.  I knew there couldn't possibly be any discussion of anything political in GD, because DJ would move it, merge it, split it, lock it, or delete it.* :rotf: :rotf: :tongue:


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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2009, 01:35:36 PM »
It's a lot easier to make programs than to kill them in our system, sadly.  But if they suck bad enough, and the baton changes hands, it can be done.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2009, 03:15:31 PM »
Perhaps, but with just 4 years, I wonder how many of these programs will actually go live before he's booted out of office.

President Bush's tax cuts don't expire until 2011, and a large portion of the taxes and spending in the "stimulus" bill don't take effect for another year or two.  There is a chance the Republicans in Washington can put the brakes on this mess, but that is up to them.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2009, 04:26:03 PM »
..this socialist agenda Obama is putting into effect will and can be reversed once a conservative President takes back the country in 012...right????

Well, yes what you say is true.. but we can't wait until 2012. We have to start.. RIGHT NOW.

Yes of course the 2012 election is important.. but not nearly as important nor as urgent as the 2010 mid-term election which includes not only the 2-year congressional seats but also (all or most) state and local elections.

Remember The US Congress ( House of representitives ) really runs this country.. because everything runs on MONEY and Congress controls the purse-strings. The Senate is just 100 "spoilers" who really can't do anything completely on it's own .. without support of the Congress.

Even the President does not have the the power of the purse.. as the original founders wisely intended.

I don't know where you live.. but that doesn't matter. What needs to be done.. has to done everywhere everybody lives. We can not wait for self-serving professional politicians to do what has to be done.

Everyone who is reading this post has Email service. And every politician and bureaucrat in Washington also has Email service. And Email is FREE -- or at least is should be. Anyone who has an Email service that charges for the number of Emails sent .. needs to get better Email service that **IS COMPLETELY FREE**.

 :hammer: We have scare the holy-hell out of every politician, every bureaucrat, every gimme'crat and commie-crat in this country.  It is long past the time that we should have been reminding all the bloated bombastic bureaucraies of the constitutional fact that THEY WORK FOR US. That is exactly how fhe U.S. Constitution says this country is supposed to work.

 :hammer: It is time for us to remind all the malevolent members of our Commie-Congress who their very angry bosses really are.

Of course ..  only a very, very tiny (microscopic) portion of  the millions of American voters .. are likely to ever see or hear about this forum posting. Sooo .. to those who are reading it .. you need to convey what you read here to every one you know.

No matter where you live or how many ( or few ) people you know.. the basic gist of what you just read above .. needs to be conveyed and widely discussed .. where ever you are.. where ever you go -- every meeting of any kind .. churches, town hall meetings, civic groups.. Lions, Rotary, Optimists, Jaycees, PTA .. everyone.. everywhere .. etc.. etc..

WHY ??? Well because all of the above is critical to ALL American voters and their children and grandchildren .. who will have to pay for all the atrocities the gimme-crats and commie-crats in the government are imposing upon us .. until we stop them.

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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2009, 04:30:48 PM »
ok.

remember back a few months ago when you guys kept telling me how ****ing annoying the glowing letters were?



I get it now.




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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2009, 04:46:46 PM »
Well, yes what you say is true.. but we can't wait until 2012. We have to start.. RIGHT NOW.

Yes of course the 2012 election is important.. but not nearly as important nor as urgent as the 2010 mid-term election which includes not only the 2-year congressional seats but also also (all or most) state and local elections.

Remember The US Congress ( House of representitives ) really runs this country.. because everything runs on MONEY and Congress controls the purse-strings. The Senate is just 100 "spoilers" who really can't do anything completely on it's own .. without support of the Congress.
Even the President does not have the the power of the purse.. as the original founders wisely intended.

I don't know where you live.. but that doesn't matter. What needs to be done.. has to done everywhere everybody lives. We can not wait for self-serving professional politicians to do what has to be done.

Everyone who is reading this post has Email service. And every politician and bureaucrat in Washington also has Email service. And Email is FREE -- or at least is should be. Anyone who has an Email service that charges for the number of Emails sent .. needs to get better Email service that **IS COMPLETELY FREE**.

 :hammer: We have scare the holy-hell out of every politician, every bureaucrat, every gimme'crat and commie-crat in this country.  It is long past the time that we should have been reminding all the bloated bombastic bureaucraies of the constituyional fact that THEY WORK FOR US. That is exactly how fhe U.S. Constitution says this country is supposed to work.

 :hammer: It is time for us to remind all the malevolent members of our Commie-Congress who their very angry bosses really are.

Of course ..  only a very, very tiny (microscopic) portion or  the millions of American voters .. are likely to ever see or hear about this forum posting. Sooo .. to those who are reading it .. you need to convey what you read here every one you know.

No matter where you live or how many ( or few ) people you know.. the basic gist of what you just read above .. needs to be conveyed and widely discussed .. where ever you are.. where ever you go -- every meeting of any kind .. churches, town hall meetings, civic groups.. Lions, Rotary, Optimists, Jaycees, PTA .. everyone.. everywhere .. etc.. etc..

WHY ??? Well because all of the above is critical to ALL American voters and their children and grandchildren .. who will have to for all that atrocities the gimme-crats and commie-crats in the government are imposing upon us .. until we stop them.




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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2009, 04:55:27 PM »
Gonna piss a lot of you ladies off, but we discussed something similar in another thread:

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,23165.0.html

 :whatever:  Nice generalization there... :whatever: :loser:

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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2009, 06:44:45 PM »
:whatever:  Nice generalization there... :whatever: :loser:

 :-)

Admit it now.....sane women, like those here, are vastly out numbered by the moonbat wyminz.... :uhsure:
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2009, 06:54:25 PM »
Admit it now.....sane women, like those here, are vastly out numbered by the moonbat wyminz.... :uhsure:

:werd:
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2009, 07:00:02 PM »
Admit it now.....sane women, like those here, are vastly out numbered by the moonbat wyminz.... :uhsure:

Well moonbats in general, male or female, are of a subculture.  Moonbat men are just as dangerous and stupid.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2009, 08:21:13 PM »
..this socialist agenda Obama is putting into effect will and can be reversed once a conservative President takes back the country in 012...right????

I'm not hopeful about that.
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." --Norman Thomas, 1944

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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2009, 03:06:21 AM »
Well moonbats in general, male or female, are of a subculture.  Moonbat men are just as dangerous and stupid.
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Oh hell yes.....we can certainly agree on that.
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2009, 02:40:58 PM »
Welcome to CC  :-)

Well, thanks for the welcome..... However...

Since I am a "newbie"  here ....

And since I have not yet found found definitive answers to the following questions.. I guess I'll just ask .. point blank:

Is this forum just another chit-chat exercise ... to exchange "cutsie" little quips ...... ?????????

Or do some of the folks here .. take the catastrophic disaster happening in this country today seriously enough to at least try to
do something about
what is very very wrong in this country ????

Or ... ( to state my questions differently ) ........

Is this a **REAL** conservative ... CAVE ... ?????

Or just another "John McShame" style .."cave-in" ... ????

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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2009, 02:45:25 PM »
There are almost 500 members of the Conservative Cave. You don't expect that we'd all walk lock-step, do you? Me? I'm socially moderate and fiscally "get hell out of my wallet", to the right of Attila if you will. I am NOT for big government, am for the Fair Tax, the repealing of the 16th amendment, the repealing of the 17th amendment, returning ALL power, other than national defense and the regulation of interstate commerce, back to the states, and I TRULY believe in term limits for congressmen/women because I don't trust a ****in' one up there, save a handful like Paul Broun and Jim DeMint.

Now, if you're asking if we're a Ron Paul site, I'd have to say no, though I'm sure there are a few. I agree he has a few good ideas, but even a blind squirrel can find a nut every now and then.
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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2009, 02:45:43 PM »
Well, thanks for the welcome..... [size=2However...0pt][/size]

Since I am a "newbie"  here ....

And since I have not yet found found definitive answers to the following questions.. I guess I'll just ask .. point blank:

Is this forum just another chit-chat exercise ... to exchange "cutsie" little quips ...... ?????????

Or do some of the folks here .. take the catastrophic disaster happening in this country today seriously enough to at least try to do something about
what is very very wrong in this country ????

Or ... ( to state my questions differently ) ........

Is this a **REAL** conservative ... CAVE ... ?????

Or just another "John McShame" style .."cave-in" ... ????



I'm still a newbie myself, but I'd have to say it's a bit of both.  People here take the state of the nation very seriously and there are countless threads to read through and plenty of places to express your thoughts!  This is also a fun place to hang out and make new friends.  There are threads for more lighthearted conversations as well.  I think you'll like the place :)

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Re: Hypothetically Speaking....
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2009, 02:56:37 PM »
Well, thanks for the welcome..... [size=2However...0pt][/size]

Since I am a "newbie"  here ....

And since I have not yet found found definitive answers to the following questions.. I guess I'll just ask .. point blank:

Is this forum just another chit-chat exercise ... to exchange "cutsie" little quips ...... ?????????

Or do some of the folks here .. take the catastrophic disaster happening in this country today seriously enough to at least try to do something about
what is very very wrong in this country ????

Or ... ( to state my questions differently ) ........

Is this a **REAL** conservative ... CAVE ... ?????

Or just another "John McShame" style .."cave-in" ... ????



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