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Current Events => Politics => Topic started by: libertybele on August 02, 2015, 11:26:29 AM
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Exactly. Voters are tired of the GOPe and Trump has got them rile. I think Trump will continue to rise as long as he continues to act on the voice of the Republican voters. I think he has appeal to the Independents as well because he is not a politician. I am not a Trump fan, but riling the RINO's is a good thing for the party.
Paul: Trump represents those with 'vein of anger'
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) on Sunday said fellow GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump is tapping into a "vein of anger" with Washington – one with which he agrees.
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"I think there are a lot of people upset. I'm one of them," he said on CNN's "State of the Union."
Paul has previously said Trump's support was due to a "temporary loss of sanity."
"I'm not a career politician. I got involved in this because I was upset with Washington," he said.
"Congress has about a 10 percent approval rating. And I'm one of the 90 percent that disagrees with what Congress is doing."
"So I think there is a vein of anger, yes, that represents some of those who are thinking about Donald Trump," he said.
However, he suggested that the first Republican presidential debate on Thursday would be a chance for Trump to show whether he had serious ideas.
"There's also going to be a serious debate, ultimately, starting this week, in the presidential debates, about who has the ideas that would fix the country," he said.
"Instead of getting so far afield in a lot of, I think, maybe empty talk, maybe we ought to talk about should we have a flat tax?â€
Paul, a libertarian, also defended criticism of his foreign policy, which some have described as isolationist.
“I will do whatever it takes to defend the country, but I'm not interested or a believer that every intervention has been good for us," he said.
He attacked the Obama's administration's intervention in Libya and Republican support for the war, and tied it to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.
"Hillary's war in Libya made Libya a disaster, a failed state, and made us less safe," he said....
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/250031-paul-trump-represents-those-with-vein-of-anger
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Trump is the only one that can turn this sinking ship around.
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Trump is the only one that can turn this sinking ship around.
I can understand why Trump has some appeal -- he's the guy throwing the bird to the professional politicians because we, the voters, have allowed these assholes to stack the deck in their favor to the point that we have no voice any more -- or a much reduced voice.
He sounds good and for those who are sick of business as usual he makes some measure of sense. But, in the end, I simply have no confidence in Trump to fix much of anything. He's not a conservative, his stance on 2A is bullshit, and he has absolutely zero diplomatic experience (not that he could POSSIBLY screw up more than Barry and his sycophants).
I just see Trump as a loudmouth braggart with no substance. No plan, no ideas, just mouth. :shrug:
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The first debate should prove interesting. It will indicate whether or not he is well versed on the issues or if he's just blowing off steam. I think most interesting will be how the other candidate react to him; especially Bush.
My concern with Trump is his ties with the Clinton money machine. My second concern is yes, he's a great negotiator, but does he know enough about the Constitution and laws of this country to run it?
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This is what it's all about;
Quote from Network
I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's worth. Banks are going bust. Shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be.
I would add (if I could), "Obama's a freaking dictator....."
I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE! Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis.
Life (or the republican primary) mirrors a movie.
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I can understand why Trump has some appeal -- he's the guy throwing the bird to the professional politicians because we, the voters, have allowed these assholes to stack the deck in their favor to the point that we have no voice any more -- or a much reduced voice.
He sounds good and for those who are sick of business as usual he makes some measure of sense. But, in the end, I simply have no confidence in Trump to fix much of anything. He's not a conservative, his stance on 2A is bullshit, and he has absolutely zero diplomatic experience (not that he could POSSIBLY screw up more than Barry and his sycophants).
I just see Trump as a loudmouth braggart with no substance. No plan, no ideas, just mouth. :shrug:
Trump is a life member of the NRA and has a permit to carry. His two sons attended the NRA convention this year. He opposes the sale of assault weapons and would like the waiting period to purchase a gun extended to 3 days. You must have gotten him mixed up with Bloomy or Rove.
You can wipe the egg off your mouth now. BTW, the community organizer had zero diplomatic experience and thunder thighs experience is horrible.
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Trump is a life member of the NRA and has a permit to carry. His two sons attended the NRA convention this year. He opposes the sale of assault weapons and would like the waiting period to purchase a gun extended to 3 days. You must have gotten him mixed up with Bloomy or Rove.
You can wipe the egg off your mouth now. BTW, the community organizer had zero diplomatic experience and thunder thighs experience is horrible.
**** you and your egg. Nobody rattled your cage about eggs or any other food item, asswipe.
Say what you want about Trump's NRA "life member" status. Anybody can plunk down $275 and become a member -- that kind of money is a drop in the bucket to him. And as far as him getting a CCW, again, that's just a political gesture. He's got a platoon of security to handle that kind of stuff for him. The fact you can't see this is telling.
Go ahead and worship your "candidate". I see Trump as a rich, spoiled, drama queen with nothing more to do but count his money and make waves.
Barry has nothing to do with this. He is a disaster in his own way.
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**** you and your egg. Nobody rattled your cage about eggs or any other food item, asswipe.
Say what you want about Trump's NRA "life member" status. Anybody can plunk down $275 and become a member -- that kind of money is a drop in the bucket to him. And as far as him getting a CCW, again, that's just a political gesture. He's got a platoon of security to handle that kind of stuff for him. The fact you can't see this is telling.
Go ahead and worship your "candidate". I see Trump as a rich, spoiled, drama queen with nothing more to do but count his money and make waves.
Barry has nothing to do with this. He is a disaster in his own way.
Google-- follow@onthe issuesorg listing all the Repub. candidates and their positions. At the end, it states that Trump is a conservative. You will not do that because you are stupid @sshole.
BTW, I do not worship any candidate especially a politician. You must be talking about yourself in the worship department.
In conclusion, go F. yourself and the donkey you rode in.
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Google-- follow@onthe issuesorg listing all the Repub. candidates and their positions. At the end, it states that Trump is a conservative. You will not do that because you are stupid @sshole.
BTW, I do not worship any candidate especially a politician. You must be talking about yourself in the worship department.
In conclusion, go F. yourself and the donkey you rode in.
:rotf: You're talking out your ass again, dipshit. You follow what other people are saying versus what Trump has DONE. He's so bored with making money (and losing it, as he's done fairly regularly over the years) and making reality TV shows that he's decided to piddle in an area he knows nothing about.
You know, things like diplomacy. Communication skills, besides, "YOU'RE FIRED!" How Congress works (or doesn't, in this case). Important shit like that.
Yeah, you worship Trump. You're just too stupid to see it.
GFY.
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:rotf: You're talking out your ass again, dipshit. You follow what other people are saying versus what Trump has DONE. He's so bored with making money (and losing it, as he's done fairly regularly over the years) and making reality TV shows that he's decided to piddle in an area he knows nothing about.
You know, things like diplomacy. Communication skills, besides, "YOU'RE FIRED!" How Congress works (or doesn't, in this case). Important shit like that.
Yeah, you worship Trump. You're just too stupid to see it.
GFY.
Wrong dipshit. You are the one that talking out of your ass because you are too stupid to check out the website on google. Trump is a conservative that is against gun control. Show me the proof that he is a gun grabber. You can not. So, you throw out a bunch of BS. You remind of a ignorant liberal that has tunnel vision.
If Cruz or Trump does not win the nomination, I will probably stay home. Trump is a brash, ego driven, loudmouth who is rough around the edges and is not a politician. Those attributes that you speak of above has gotten this country in bad financial shape, our foreign policy stinks and our trade treaties have caused millions of American to lose their jobs. It is about time we elect someone that is not an embeded career politician who can revive the economy and our standing in the world.
Better get used to calling Trump, Mr. President. :hammer:
GSAD
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Wrong dipshit. You are the one that talking out of your ass because you are too stupid to check out the website on google. Trump is a conservative that is against gun control. Show me the proof that he is a gun grabber. You can not. So, you throw out a bunch of BS. You remind of a ignorant liberal that has tunnel vision.
If Cruz or Trump does not win the nomination, I will probably stay home. Trump is a brash, ego driven, loudmouth who is rough around the edges and is not a politician. Those attributes that you speak of above has gotten this country in bad financial shape, our foreign policy stinks and our trade treaties have caused millions of American to lose their jobs. It is about time we elect someone that is not an embeded career politician who can revive the economy and our standing in the world.
Better get used to calling Trump, Mr. President. :hammer:
GSAD
I always laugh when you post your drivel. :lmao: Nobody called Trump a gun grabber, shitstick. He's merely an opportunist (like all politicians at one level or another).
Only a short-sighted idjit would actually take Trump seriously. :rotf:
Kinda puts you in one of those special "camps", doesn't it? :-)
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I always laugh when you post your drivel. :lmao: Nobody called Trump a gun grabber, shitstick. He's merely an opportunist (like all politicians at one level or another).
Only a short-sighted idjit would actually take Trump seriously. :rotf:
Kinda puts you in one of those special "camps", doesn't it? :-)
You stated in your first post that you had problems with Trump's 2A rights. You sound like a liberal mental midget because you can not prove it. Lie, lie, lie, lie. :lol: :loser:
Millions are supporting Trump. We will see how he does in the debates and the primaries. The laugh will be on you if he wins the nomination. :yahoo: You can then wipe the egg off your stupid face.
Trump in 2016 :-)
GEAD
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I can understand why Trump has some appeal -- he's the guy throwing the bird to the professional politicians because we, the voters, have allowed these assholes to stack the deck in their favor to the point that we have no voice any more -- or a much reduced voice.
He sounds good and for those who are sick of business as usual he makes some measure of sense. But, in the end, I simply have no confidence in Trump to fix much of anything. He's not a conservative, his stance on 2A is bullshit, and he has absolutely zero diplomatic experience (not that he could POSSIBLY screw up more than Barry and his sycophants).
I just see Trump as a loudmouth braggart with no substance. No plan, no ideas, just mouth. :shrug:
Yes, "The Donald" has a loudmouth ... however, people are listening. According to recent polls he is the ONLY GOP candidate polling above 20%! Not what the GOPe had intended. He has made the realize that their "golden boy Bush" isn't all that which is a good thing. Rubio and Christie are polling behind Cruz and Walker ... who would've thought? Huckabee right now is who is surprising me.
I too am concerned with Trump's stance on the 2nd amendment. However, I'd vote for him over Bush, Rubio, Carson or Christie. Keep in mind that we have a long way to go here.
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Yes, "The Donald" has a loudmouth ... however, people are listening. According to recent polls he is the ONLY GOP candidate polling above 20%! Not what the GOPe had intended. He has made the realize that their "golden boy Bush" isn't all that which is a good thing. Rubio and Christie are polling behind Cruz and Walker ... who would've thought? Huckabee right now is who is surprising me.
I too am concerned with Trump's stance on the 2nd amendment. However, I'd vote for him over Bush, Rubio, Carson or Christie. Keep in mind that we have a long way to go here.
Many conservatives and independents did not vote in the last two Presedential elections because of the lousy choices. McCain and Mitt were terrible candidates. I would like to see a candidate show some fire in their belly with a kick them in the balls mentality. That is what it is going to take to defeat the Hildabeast. Most of the ones running are wimpy RINO career politicians.
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Many conservatives and independents did not vote in the last two Presedential elections because of the lousy choices. McCain and Mitt were terrible candidates. I would like to see a candidate show some fire in their belly with a kick them in the balls mentality. That is what it is going to take to defeat the Hildabeast. Most of the ones running are wimpy RINO career politicians.
So giving us obozo was soooooo much better.
Damn worm-eaters gave use the worst president ever -- not only will it take a generation to undo his evil deeds but if Iran gets Nukes it will be the end of Israel.
Good work, worm eaters!
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So giving us obozo was soooooo much better.
Damn worm-eaters gave use the worst president ever -- not only will it take a generation to undo his evil deeds but if Iran gets Nukes it will be the end of Israel.
Good work, worm eaters!
Although it killed my soul, I voted for McCain and Mitt because I came to the conclusion that a RINO would be a little better than a Muslim, anti-American, liberal whose aim is to destroy us economically, politically and socially. May or may not bite that bullet again.
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Trump came out and attacked the other candidates right from the start, by saying that he would not pledge to support the Republican candidate and not run third-party if he didn't get the nomination. :thatsright: He then went out and clashed a bit with Megyn Kelly, but he made some good points while doing that.
I will bite that bullet, FD2003 . . .
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Trump came out and attacked the other candidates right from the start, by saying that he would not pledge to support the Republican candidate and not run third-party if he didn't get the nomination. :thatsright: He then went out and clashed a bit with Megyn Kelly, but he made some good points while doing that.
I will bite that bullet, FD2003 . . .
Trump stated previously that he would not run as a third party candidate if the RNC and other RINO's treated him fairly. He did not expand on that point tonight which hurt him. He was flat and did not do himself any good tonight IMO. However, the election is a long way off. The other candidates are professional speakers and campaigners with the exception of Carson which did quite well. Rubio, Cruz and Walker were the top debaters.
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Trump stated previously that he would not run as a third party candidate if the RNC and other RINO's treated him fairly. He did not expand on that point tonight which hurt him. He was flat and did not do himself any good tonight IMO. However, the election is a long way off. The other candidates are professional speakers and campaigners with the exception of Carson which did quite well. Rubio, Cruz and Walker were the top debaters.
I thought about Trump's move this morning. What Trump did, with that, was to gain leverage. Trump is a master negotiator. If a negotiator can gain leverage in a deal, it makes getting what the negotiator wants that much easier. What does that mean? There will be a wall to keep illegal aliens out. It doesn't metter who is the nominee--in exchange for Trump's support if he isn't the nominee, there will be a wall built.
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I thought about Trump's move this morning. What Trump did, with that, was to gain leverage. Trump is a master negotiator. If a negotiator can gain leverage in a deal, it makes getting what the negotiator wants that much easier. What does that mean? There will be a wall to keep illegal aliens out. It doesn't metter who is the nominee--in exchange for Trump's support if he isn't the nominee, there will be a wall built.
Agree. El Bozo is a dunce compared to him.
Carson made some good points but Cruz did very well. The after debate with Frank Luntz asked their thoughts about Cruz and many suggested he would be the next president. :cheersmate:
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We haven't had a good fight club thread in a long while.
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You stated in your first post that you had problems with Trump's 2A rights. You sound like a liberal mental midget because you can not prove it. Lie, lie, lie, lie. :lol: :loser:
Millions are supporting Trump. We will see how he does in the debates and the primaries. The laugh will be on you if he wins the nomination. :yahoo: You can then wipe the egg off your stupid face.
Trump in 2016 :-)
GEAD
I can see quite clearly that you understand and know the mental midget category. Probably because the dog smells his own ass first.
:-)
Yeah, Trump being the consummate New Yorker, he doesn't have much use for weaponry. So he spews his convenient shit about how he's all about 2A, which is essentially a lie. (Hmmm, it seems you know all about lying. Why is that?)
Interesting stat that you just throw out there, hoping that something will stick -- "millions are supporting Trump." As you yourself pointed out in another turd-speckled post just upstream, the it's early in the campaign. Trump will flame out and auger in, just like he did last time.
In general, I don't have to prove anything to you, shitbag. You're simply not worth the effort. Simply because you fawn all over Trump as if he were the Last Great Stinking Turd, hey, that doesn't make it so. Oh, wait.... :rotf:
But, I'm in a generous mood. You might even say after a tough day at work, I'm ready to do something else for a little bit. So here you go, ****face. Read it and weep:
http://www.examiner.com/article/trump-could-be-great-friend-if-second-amendment-enthusiasm-is-real
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I can see quite clearly that you understand and know the mental midget category. Probably because the dog smells his own ass first.
:-)
Yeah, Trump being the consummate New Yorker, he doesn't have much use for weaponry. So he spews his convenient shit about how he's all about 2A, which is essentially a lie. (Hmmm, it seems you know all about lying. Why is that?)
Interesting stat that you just throw out there, hoping that something will stick -- "millions are supporting Trump." As you yourself pointed out in another turd-speckled post just upstream, the it's early in the campaign. Trump will flame out and auger in, just like he did last time.
In general, I don't have to prove anything to you, shitbag. You're simply not worth the effort. Simply because you fawn all over Trump as if he were the Last Great Stinking Turd, hey, that doesn't make it so. Oh, wait.... :rotf:
But, I'm in a generous mood. You might even say after a tough day at work, I'm ready to do something else for a little bit. So here you go, ****face. Read it and weep:
http://www.examiner.com/article/trump-could-be-great-friend-if-second-amendment-enthusiasm-is-real
You have your head so far up your ass your brains are about to explode.
You can not prove that Trump is a gun grabber; so you lie about it. You hate Trump because he is rich. Too funny because you are so poor you have to work after retirement. How are those double wide trailer mortgage payments working out for you. Time to go slop the pigs and feed the chickens. Ha, ha
Trump may flame out. It will not be any skin off my ass. I am retired and can live quite comfortably off my investments. Don't even need my S.S. or my Civil Service pension like some people. I put in my 2 years in the Army and got out 2 months early to go to college. People like you amuse me because you do not have a clue on how the upper middle class live. :lmao: :rotf: :tongue:
Our next President will be Donald Trump. :-)
Go suck a D!ck, @sshole
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I suspect collusion in this thread.
It would be nice if Buzzy were here to clutch his pearls and be all indignant about how good, decent, and civilized people here at the cave act.
Maybe this is all Kabuki for lurkers.
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You have your head so far up your ass your brains are about to explode.
You can not prove that Trump is a gun grabber; so you lie about it. You hate Trump because he is rich. Too funny because you are so poor you have to work after retirement. How are those double wide trailer mortgage payments working out for you. Time to go slop the pigs and feed the chickens. Ha, ha
Trump may flame out. It will not be any skin off my ass. I am retired and can live quite comfortably off my investments. Don't even need my S.S. or my Civil Service pension like some people. I put in my 2 years in the Army and got out 2 months early to go to college. People like you amuse me because you do not have a clue on how the upper middle class live. :lmao: :rotf: :tongue:
Our next President will be Donald Trump. :-)
Wow, you've got incredibly thin skin. I'm laughing my ass off reading your tripe. Where do I start with your incredible ignorance? Hmmmm, here's a spot!
You know nothing of my finances or "class" as you like to paint people. When people resort to that kind of thing, it usually means they're insecure about themselves, so in order to try to pull people down to their (your) level, they (you) like to "classify" people. Howzit feel being insecure about yourself? :rotf:
Once again, shit-for-brains, nobody said anything about Trump being a gun-grabber. Pay attention to what's been said. What I did say, and I'll type this slowly so you can begin to get a clue, is that Trump is an opportunist. He, like all politicians at one level or another, will say whatever is necessary to garner your vote. It's pretty clear to me that Trump has convinced you that he's all about 2A, when the evidence and what he's said and done BEFORE he became a politician indicates otherwise. Again, pay attention to history, not just what Trump says.
As for your service in the Army, thank you. That was probably the most productive time in your life, because you clearly -- in your retirement -- sure as hell aren't productive now.
Go suck a D!ck, @sshole
More evidence of rampant insecurity. Do you kiss your wife dog boyfriend with that mouth? :lmao:
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I suspect collusion in this thread.
It would be nice if Buzzy were here to clutch his pearls and be all indignant about how good, decent, and civilized people here at the cave act.
Maybe this is all Kabuki for lurkers.
:lol: Nah, this ain't Kabuki. Lacarwhacko has been out in left field for a long, long time. He's forgotten that the umps have called the game over and the maintenance guys have turned out the lights. He looks so lonely out there in the dark. :rotf:
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Wow, you've got incredibly thin skin. I'm laughing my ass off reading your tripe. Where do I start with your incredible ignorance? Hmmmm, here's a spot!
You know nothing of my finances or "class" as you like to paint people. When people resort to that kind of thing, it usually means they're insecure about themselves, so in order to try to pull people down to their (your) level, they (you) like to "classify" people. Howzit feel being insecure about yourself? :rotf:
Once again, shit-for-brains, nobody said anything about Trump being a gun-grabber. Pay attention to what's been said. What I did say, and I'll type this slowly so you can begin to get a clue, is that Trump is an opportunist. He, like all politicians at one level or another, will say whatever is necessary to garner your vote. It's pretty clear to me that Trump has convinced you that he's all about 2A, when the evidence and what he's said and done BEFORE he became a politician indicates otherwise. Again, pay attention to history, not just what Trump says.
As for your service in the Army, thank you. That was probably the most productive time in your life, because you clearly -- in your retirement -- sure as hell aren't productive now.
More evidence of rampant insecurity. Do you kiss your wife dog boyfriend with that mouth? :lmao:
You really got riled up when I stated that you would have egg on your face when Trump got the nomination. So you throw out the first "F" bomb, liver lips. I am glad you are laughing. Stupidity knows no bounds.
I like Trump because it pisses people like you off. :lmao: He is rich, brash, outspoken and will try to turn this country around. I like people with money. I pity those that HAVE to work AFTER they retire to pay a mortgage, credit card debt, etc. Sounds like you.
Unlike you I do not have to punch a clock to be productive. Going to my beach rental condo in FL this month and back again in Oct. While I am there, will look at other properties for sale as a cash buyer. No one should have as much fun as I do; always wonder what the pathetic people like you are doing. :-) Now, don't get your panties in a wad! :loser:
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I can understand why Trump has some appeal -- he's the guy throwing the bird to the professional politicians because we, the voters, have allowed these assholes to stack the deck in their favor to the point that we have no voice any more -- or a much reduced voice.
He sounds good and for those who are sick of business as usual he makes some measure of sense. But, in the end, I simply have no confidence in Trump to fix much of anything. He's not a conservative, his stance on 2A is bullshit, and he has absolutely zero diplomatic experience (not that he could POSSIBLY screw up more than Barry and his sycophants).
I just see Trump as a loudmouth braggart with no substance. No plan, no ideas, just mouth. :shrug:
His ego is as fragile as 0bama's. He had everyone on his side after the debate because even those not in his camp believed the moderators were very harsh, especially Megyn Kelly, who acted like a typical feminist. BUT, "blood coming out of her...wherever"? Way the **** over the top. Just because of his treatment during a debate? What the hell is he gonna be like when heads of state or anyone else criticizes him. Will they also be compared to "hardliners" in Iran?
Cindie
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Wow...attacking one another in this forum? Really?? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but to call others names because they have a difference of opinion is not needed; that's the liberal way.
Trump energized the GOP electorate with his comments on immigration there is no doubt about that. Trumps comments on women have hurt him; especially the way he handled Kelly. She didn't ask him anymore of a difficult question than the others were asked. Trump's arrogance shined brightly during the debates and he used what he thought was humor to side step some of the questions asked rather than actually answering the questions.
Based on Trump's debate performance, he lost a lot of ground. There will be those that will continue to support him regardless and I think his sole purpose was to divide the GOP and go third party, ensuring Hillary or the DEMS the White House.
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I understand the frustration Trump tapped in to after watching McConnell, Boehner, etc piss away -- in our faces -- everything we gave them.
But we don't need ANOTHER petulant egomaniac in the office on the heels of Obama.
We have wars in Eastern Europe, the South China Sea and Iran in the offing.
We have class/race riots simmering under the surface.
The Proglodytes don't need UN troops on Main St. USA to destroy America. They only need to touch off widespread civil unrest while leaving the military over committed in multiple foreign theaters to gut this nation and leave it hollowed out.
"America can't handle it anymore" is the only talking point they need for their muzzie and commie allies to come off the leash.
We don't need someone who has no concept finesse and whose ego plays out like the final scenes of Downfall.
His supporters need to realize he's more of a liability than speaking truth to power.
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His ego is as fragile as 0bama's. He had everyone on his side after the debate because even those not in his camp believed the moderators were very harsh, especially Megyn Kelly, who acted like a typical feminist. BUT, "blood coming out of her...wherever"? Way the **** over the top. Just because of his treatment during a debate? What the hell is he gonna be like when heads of state or anyone else criticizes him. Will they also be compared to "hardliners" in Iran?
Cindie
I completely agree, we already have one thin-skinned narcissist in the White House, do we really want to replace him with another? I can only imagine the garbage he will spew when he decides that Hillary has been mean to him, the guy is a train wreck.
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I completely agree, we already have one thin-skinned narcissist in the White House, do we really want to replace him with another? I can only imagine the garbage he will spew when he decides that Hillary has been mean to him, the guy is a train wreck.
What really saddens and scares me, we're supposed to be the rational ones. We laugh at the DUmmies' over-the-top, blind devotion to 0bama no matter what he says or does and now our side is doing the same thing. Given the extremely serious condition our country and the world is in, you'd think they'd realize someone who spews insults around whenever anyone says something he takes personally (and he takes everything personally) isn't a good choice to get us out of this mess. I've had enough petulance and stompy-foot 2 year old antics. While he has tapped into very real and justified anger, I've yet to hear any solid solutions.
Listen to any of the other excellent candidates: Cruz, Rubio, Fiorina, Walker...ask them about the border, the economy, Iran, Russia, they have a clear vision for every issue facing this country. Even if you don't agree with everything they envision, at least it's out there. They don't pepper their comments or speeches with "I, I, I" and they're positive and hopeful, not just angry. At some point you have to use your anger to as a catalyst for positive change. "I want to make America better again" isn't a plan, it's a platitude. I don't want to spend another 4 years with a narcissist counting the number of times he says "I" or "me" in his speeches.
We will NOT win with someone who isn't positive and doesn't have a clear vision to get us out of this depression and malaise that makes Jimmy "I was attacked by a giant rabbit" Carter's presidency seem like 4 years of near paradise. Reagan won because of his conservatism, his exuberance, hopeful attitude and a clear, positive vision that the whole country could understand and wanted to be a part of. Trump is no Reagan. Cruz is the closest but I see sparks of him in Rubio & Fiorina.
Trump just isn't giving me someone to vote FOR.
cindie
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The GOP has too many great candidates to let Trump destroy our chances for the White House; it's that simple. Trump energized the party; for that he should get full credit. In watching the debates the moderators brought out the worst in Trump, Bush and Christie. Trump and Christie continued to display that they are nothing more than hot air and Bush continued to display that he's a liar. Ok, the electorate is clearly energized ... but now, how do we prevent Trump from destroying the chances of one of our great candidates making it into the oval office?
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You really got riled up when I stated that you would have egg on your face when Trump got the nomination. So you throw out the first "F" bomb, liver lips. I am glad you are laughing. Stupidity knows no bounds.
I like Trump because it pisses people like you off. :lmao: He is rich, brash, outspoken and will try to turn this country around. I like people with money. I pity those that HAVE to work AFTER they retire to pay a mortgage, credit card debt, etc. Sounds like you.
Unlike you I do not have to punch a clock to be productive. Going to my beach rental condo in FL this month and back again in Oct. While I am there, will look at other properties for sale as a cash buyer. No one should have as much fun as I do; always wonder what the pathetic people like you are doing. :-) Now, don't get your panties in a wad! :loser:
**** you twice, asshole. I've heard enough of your shit.
Yeah, I don't like it when somebody talks about eggs. I don't like 'em that much. :-)
Oh, you might wanna check this out. Does this sound like you?
:rotf:
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/08/emperor-trumpatine-and-the-dark-side-of-the-political-force/
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Wow...attacking one another in this forum? Really?? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but to call others names because they have a difference of opinion is not needed; that's the liberal way.
Trump energized the GOP electorate with his comments on immigration there is no doubt about that. Trumps comments on women have hurt him; especially the way he handled Kelly. She didn't ask him anymore of a difficult question than the others were asked. Trump's arrogance shined brightly during the debates and he used what he thought was humor to side step some of the questions asked rather than actually answering the questions.
Based on Trump's debate performance, he lost a lot of ground. There will be those that will continue to support him regardless and I think his sole purpose was to divide the GOP and go third party, ensuring Hillary or the DEMS the White House.
lacarwhacko has been an annoyance for a very long time. Don't let it get you down.
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What really saddens and scares me, we're supposed to be the rational ones. We laugh at the DUmmies' over-the-top, blind devotion to 0bama no matter what he says or does and now our side is doing the same thing. Given the extremely serious condition our country and the world is in, you'd think they'd realize someone who spews insults around whenever anyone says something he takes personally (and he takes everything personally) isn't a good choice to get us out of this mess. I've had enough petulance and stompy-foot 2 year old antics. While he has tapped into very real and justified anger, I've yet to hear any solid solutions.
Listen to any of the other excellent candidates: Cruz, Rubio, Fiorina, Walker...ask them about the border, the economy, Iran, Russia, they have a clear vision for every issue facing this country. Even if you don't agree with everything they envision, at least it's out there. They don't pepper their comments or speeches with "I, I, I" and they're positive and hopeful, not just angry. At some point you have to use your anger to as a catalyst for positive change. "I want to make America better again" isn't a plan, it's a platitude. I don't want to spend another 4 years with a narcissist counting the number of times he says "I" or "me" in his speeches.
We will NOT win with someone who isn't positive and doesn't have a clear vision to get us out of this depression and malaise that makes Jimmy "I was attacked by a giant rabbit" Carter's presidency seem like 4 years of near paradise. Reagan won because of his conservatism, his exuberance, hopeful attitude and a clear, positive vision that the whole country could understand and wanted to be a part of. Trump is no Reagan. Cruz is the closest but I see sparks of him in Rubio & Fiorina.
Trump just isn't giving me someone to vote FOR.
cindie
Outstanding post, cindie. h5
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lacarwhacko has been an annoyance for a very long time. Don't let it get you down.
Eusucko--tickles my funny bone that my posts annoy you. You are going to have egg on your stupid face when the "Donald" and Bush are the last two standing. Sad to say but they will have the largest war chest. The media, Rinos and democrats want our nominee to be Bush. In the end Trump wins out.
President Trump 2016
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Outstanding post, cindie. h5
Sucking eggs again I see. :lmao:
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Eusucko--tickles my funny bone that my posts annoy you. You are going to have egg on your stupid face when the "Donald" and Bush are the last two standing. Sad to say but they will have the largest war chest. The media, Rinos and democrats want our nominee to be Bush. In the end Trump wins out.
President Trump 2016
??? Ok...really trying to follow your logic here; if the MSM, RINOS and DEMS want our nominee to be Bush then how does Trump win? The only thing he will do is hand the nomination to the DEMS. If you think for a minute that Trump will win over Bush, I really think you are not being realistic as Trump during the most viewed debate in television history insulted one of the most popular female conservatives and went on to insult her afterwards; thus pushing away the female electorate. You go on to say "President Trump 2016". How exactly do you see that happening?? Bush cannot win against Hillary and Trump cannot win against Bush. The only one that wins is Hillary.
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Eusucko--tickles my funny bone that my posts annoy you. You are going to have egg on your stupid face when the "Donald" and Bush are the last two standing. Sad to say but they will have the largest war chest. The media, Rinos and democrats want our nominee to be Bush. In the end Trump wins out.
President Trump 2016
Being annoyed by pissants like you is just one of the many things I deal with in life. Not enough to get excited about, but it's nice to call attention to the fact that you're a Trump-bot.
Just like the Paul-bots were and are annoying, so too are you.
The RINOs are going to make sure that Jebbie gets the nod -- not that Jebbie is my fave candydate.
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??? Ok...really trying to follow your logic here; if the MSM, RINOS and DEMS want our nominee to be Bush then how does Trump win? The only thing he will do is hand the nomination to the DEMS. If you think for a minute that Trump will win over Bush, I really think you are not being realistic as Trump during the most viewed debate in television history insulted one of the most popular female conservatives and went on to insult her afterwards; thus pushing away the female electorate. You go on to say "President Trump 2016". How exactly do you see that happening?? Bush cannot win against Hillary and Trump cannot win against Bush. The only one that wins is Hillary.
The voters decide our nominee; not the media. Plus, many voters are fed up with RINO's. I predict that Bush and Trump will probably be the last two standing while the rest of the candidates drop out because of lack of funds. Kinda like Newt in FL where Mitt had a enormous money advantage. It is going to take hundreds of millions of dollars just to compete in the primaries. I hope that Cruz can come up with the cash but I doubt it. He could beat Hilllary if he got the nomination provided he did not go mushy against Hillary like Mitt did against Obama in the second and third debate.
I and many others think that Kelly and Chris wanted to knock Trump off his block and were unfair. I answered you questions, now please answer mine:
1. Have you ever called a man a pig, asshole, etc? This was a loaded question and what does it have to do with the election. I would venture to say that Trump has hired thousands of women and paid them well. But you take one sound bite and you and the media try to turn him into a bad person. She should apologize
2. What the hell does a question about transgender have to do with the election? Another retarded question.
3. I have noticed that women want equality but don't like it when they are criticized. Many viewers thought her questions were over the top. Women need to put their big boy pants on if they want to play in the arena rather than play the victim.
4. Do you think that Kelly will go after Hillary like she did with Trump? Hell no she won't. Plus, if Chris and Braer(sp) went after her like they did with Trump, they would be heavily criticized don't you think?? Can we say double standard. Having seen some of the interviews between moderators at Fox in the last election, it was like a love in with Obama. Not so with the Repubs. Fox lost a lot of viewers after that gotcha debate including me.
BTW, I would love to see Cruz get the nomination or become VP. I like Trump but think Cruz would beat Hillary handily.
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Being annoyed by pissants like you is just one of the many things I deal with in life. Not enough to get excited about, but it's nice to call attention to the fact that you're a Trump-bot.
Just like the Paul-bots were and are annoying, so too are you.
The RINOs are going to make sure that Jebbie gets the nod -- not that Jebbie is my fave candydate.
So sorry I annoy you. LMAO. Lots more to come. :-)
You got one thing right and that is the RINOs are all in for Bush. He is their fair haired boy, and he will have so much money for media ads and workers that he will blow most of the other candidates away. The field will be cut in half quickly.
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I don't think a big war chest is going to matter this year. The base will not make the same mistake we did last time. Well, that depends on whether people wise up about Trump. I don't have a clue how anyone can actually believe in this charlatan. They need to go watch The Music Man.
cindie
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I don't think a big war chest is going to matter this year. The base will not make the same mistake we did last time. Well, that depends on whether people wise up about Trump. I don't have a clue how anyone can actually believe in this charlatan. They need to go watch The Music Man.
cindie
Money talks and BS walks. After several primaries, the candidates that have not placed in the top tier will drop out because their money from donors will dry up. That is how it has worked in past Repub. primaries.
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I've been trying to figure out what it is about this Trump obsession that bothers me so much and just why it terrifies me for this country. It boils down to 2 things:
Look at any thread over at DU where someone has insulted or disagreed with the boy king. The DUmmies fly into rages and tantrums. They hate this person/TV network, whatever. It borders on hysteria. While the rest of us expects the president to rise above such petty things, they take it personally and feed off of his petulance. It's a deliberate effort to blind themselves to what a normal person's reaction should be. Then go to any facebook page, message board thread, blog, whatever that is a pro Trump site. You could substitute 0bama for Trump in those conversations and it would be identical to the conversations at DU.
The other thing is, every conservative I know who isn't mesmerized by The Donald generally has one or two candidates they're enthusiastic about but they're open to learning about and supporting others. They get excited about what different candidates say and take time to understand and listen. Trump supports remind of being a kid when you used to stick your fingers in your ears and say, "LA, LA, LA, I'M NOT LISTENING".
I started out being a rabid Walker fan and I still like him a great deal. However, he doesn't have a lot of charisma and like it or not, you almost always need a bit of the showman to attract people to you. After hearing Cruz, I feel like I'm hearing Reagan again. And Carly, what a pistol. But the thing is, if another candidate (with the exception of Bush or Trump...maybe Kasich) get's the nomination I'll be 100% supporting him or her.
Not so with Trump supporters. It's him or nothing. The problem for the rest of us, Trump has such a big ego, if his sycophants scream loudly enough he WILL go 3rd party. At that point, we might as well get used to saying President Clinton again because there's not a snowball's chance in hell that Trump could pull enough voters to win. He could, however, take enough votes from the Republicans to guarantee the Dems win. The fact that there's a huge group of people on our side who should know better, well maybe 0bama's influenced more people than we think because they're glomming onto someone who's only difference is the rhetoric.
Cindie
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Not so with Trump supporters. It's him or nothing. The problem for the rest of us, Trump has such a big ego, if his sycophants scream loudly enough he WILL go 3rd party. At that point, we might as well get used to saying President Clinton again because there's not a snowball's chance in hell that Trump could pull enough voters to win. He could, however, take enough votes from the Republicans to guarantee the Dems win. The fact that there's a huge group of people on our side who should know better, well maybe 0bama's influenced more people than we think because they're glomming onto someone who's only difference is the rhetoric.
Cindie
I don't where you dug up this crap from because it does not apply to me. I have said I would vote for Cruz, Rubio or Walker. I seriously doubt I would vote for any third party candidate unless dipshits like Bush, Christie, Paul or Huckabuck got the nomination. Just because Trump supporters are overly enthusiastic about their candidate does not mean
that they would run the risk of handing Hitlery the election. Could be that millions of Trump supporters who have not voted in past elections have finally found a candidate that excited them. Plus, they are tired of voting for Rino losers like Mitt and McCain.
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I don't where you dug up this crap from because it does not apply to me. I have said I would vote for Cruz, Rubio or Walker. I seriously doubt I would vote for any third party candidate unless dipshits like Bush, Christie, Paul or Huckabuck got the nomination. Just because Trump supporters are overly enthusiastic about their candidate does not mean
that they would run the risk of handing Hitlery the election. Could be that millions of Trump supporters who have not voted in past elections have finally found a candidate that excited them. Plus, they are tired of voting for Rino losers like Mitt and McCain.
This is exactly where you're full of shit. Most of you Trump-bots haven't made the connection GOP*Trump = President Hillary. You're all so pissed off you can't see straight.
Just check your own posts (multiple) upthread. You wrote, and I paraphrase, "President Trump 2016".
I would most definitely put you in the "overly enthusiastic" category if, at this juncture, you actually call Trump a winner. As you did several times.
So what's it going to be? If you're going to side with Trump because he riles people up, that doesn't equate to Trump exhibiting statesmanship. Doesn't sound very presidential either. As Cindie pointed out, we already have a whiny brat in the WH. Definitely don't need another one with Trump.
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A very thoughtful article from Derek Hunter that captures both Trump's appeal and his unappeal:
On the positive side, what can you say about Donald Trump that he hasn’t already said about himself? On the negative side, what can you say about Donald Trump that he or one of his minions won’t attack you for? That’s what Donald Trump is – the Yin and the Yang, the good and the bad, of American politics.
Which is he more of? And what will be the end result? That’s a question no one can answer. But one thing is clear: Donald Trump will be a force to reckon with in the 2016 election.
There are people I respect on both sides of the Trump debate, though I take issue with the tone of each. The Donald isn’t a savior, and he isn’t a destroyer. He’s simply himself. That’s both his appeal and his Achilles heel.
The GOP debate on Thursday was Trump’s to lose, and he lost it. It was a photo finish, but he came off as he has while campaigning – a whiling dervish whose momentum has overtaken control of the race.
His supporters complain about the questions, but the old adage holds: If you’re complaining about the refs, you’re losing.
To think you can run for president and not face tough questions about past actions is to believe in the Easter Bunny. To label those questions as unfair or “hit jobs†is a level of naiveté adults simply shouldn’t possess. To make a sexist attack on the questioner after the fact shows a level of immaturity that cannot be ignored.
Rest of the article at the link:
http://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2015/08/09/trump-the-cure-or-the-disease-n2036526
My own observations:
Trump's egomania rides above all of his efforts to show how he represents the "good guys." During a lifetime of living and working around sycophants, that's bound to happen. He's not been the first to fall into that trap and he won't be the last. Contrast him to Barry, who literally had the world handed to him on a platter pretty much right from the start. At least Trump made his fortune (several times over, as it turns out, as many of his business ventures went bust and he declared various stages of bankruptcy along the way) and thus, he has the appeal of both being a non-politician (which doesn't really happen in this world any more -- all businessmen are politicians at one level or another) and a self-made man.
The downside of that is he doesn't listen and he doesn't care to listen. He simply wants to disrupt and otherwise rile those who might find his approach appealing -- and there are many who do find him and his approach appealing.
While I loathe professional politicians as a general rule, they do have their place. I believe that Cruz is in the right place at the right time. He has the deportment to work with others to the extent he has to; I think he has the right plan and the right approach. Cruz, in his own way, is a much more refined Donald Trump.
The only problem is, Cruz doesn't have Trump's money.
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This is exactly where you're full of shit. Most of you Trump-bots haven't made the connection GOP*Trump = President Hillary. You're all so pissed off you can't see straight.
Just check your own posts (multiple) upthread. You wrote, and I paraphrase, "President Trump 2016".
I would most definitely put you in the "overly enthusiastic" category if, at this juncture, you actually call Trump a winner. As you did several times.
So what's it going to be? If you're going to side with Trump because he riles people up, that doesn't equate to Trump exhibiting statesmanship. Doesn't sound very presidential either. As Cindie pointed out, we already have a whiny brat in the WH. Definitely don't need another one with Trump.
I enjoy rattling the cage of those that despise him by posting "Tump 2016". What your kind does not understand is that the more you beat up on him, the more people become entrenched in their support. The candidates should challenge him on his ideas and put forth theirs. If he does not get the nomination, that is just the way the mop flops. Not going to lose any sleep over it whether he wins or not.
If a Bush gets the nomination, it really will not matter who comes out the winner in the general. It will just be an extension of the sorry policies of the House and Senate leaders.
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I enjoy rattling the cage of those that despise him by posting "Tump 2016". What your kind does not understand is that the more you beat up on him, the more people become entrenched in their support. The candidates should challenge him on his ideas and put forth theirs. If he does not get the nomination, that is just the way the mop flops. Not going to lose any sleep over it whether he wins or not.
So you're lying when you purposefully put in "Trump 2016"? Or you're stirring up shit, one or the other.
I don't beat up on Trump and I certainly don't despise him. I just don't take him seriously and while I understand the general outrage that a lot of voters have at the GOP in particular, I don't see that Trump is any kind of answer. He sucks up resources in the sense that there is only so much political capital to go around and Trump takes it all. Not good.
If a Bush gets the nomination, it really will not matter who comes out the winner in the general. It will just be an extension of the sorry policies of the House and Senate leaders.
Agreed.
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I don't where you dug up this crap from because it does not apply to me. I have said I would vote for Cruz, Rubio or Walker. I seriously doubt I would vote for any third party candidate unless dipshits like Bush, Christie, Paul or Huckabuck got the nomination. Just because Trump supporters are overly enthusiastic about their candidate does not mean
that they would run the risk of handing Hitlery the election. Could be that millions of Trump supporters who have not voted in past elections have finally found a candidate that excited them. Plus, they are tired of voting for Rino losers like Mitt and McCain.
Calm down! I didn't dig up any crap! These are MY observations about the behavior of the majority of Trump's supporters I've personally talked with and observed in various forums and groups online and your anger at my comments proves my point. There was absolutely no malice in anything I said. Obviously, if you've said you'd be happy to support another candidate then my comments weren't directed at you so there's no need to be so sensitive.
However over enthusiastic is a bunch of millennials spending all night sleeping in front of the Apple store to get the next generation iPhone going on sale in the morning. Obsessive is taking everything so personally that you become irrational. And the ones most vocally defending Trump now, for the kind of "slight" nearly every other Republican on that stage experiences on a near weekly basis, is the same kind of behavior we observe every day with 0bama supporters and it's as rabid with Trump as when 0bama first became the idol du jour.
It should bother everyone that he's this thin skinned. Look at what Cruz and Lee have put up with for years. It's been a daily onslaught worse than anything Trump has had to deal with thus far. Or Walker, he's had everything thrown at him, he's been harassed like no one I've ever seen. Heck, in Walker's case, even his supporters had their houses invaded in the middle of the night by cops doing the bidding of democrat prosecutors. Not one of these guys has lowered himself to the level of name calling and bitching about how bad they were treated. And they've all had the same kind of questions asked of them and shit said about and to them because of this phony war on women. Trump's treatment is nothing new. ALL conservatives are going to receive unfair, elitist democrat talking points. What separates the wheat from the chafe is who rises above it and who wallows in the mud with them.
Perhaps millions of those who haven't voted in the past HAVE found a candidate that excites them. So did 0bama. My oldest son was one of them. He hasn't voted since. It's not necessarily because he's hugely disappointed (though he is) but it's kinda like the new hit song on the radio. Everyone's just GOT to have it so they buy the mp3 or CD and listen to it over and over and over. The radio plays it ad nauseum. It gets so overexposed most people don't want to hear it ever again and wonder why the hell they liked in the first place.
Trump is the most well known person in the race. He's already a pop culture icon. Of course he's going to have a following. But there's no substance. I cannot ever get any of his supporters to tell me one, just one policy position he has. There's nothing I can find on his website that gives me any insight. He's a showman and he's learned how to tap into people's emotions. I do know about his accomplishments, though, because he repeats them every time he opens his mouth...ad nauseum.
I'd suggest we prove this in the next debate by taking a drink every time he pats himself on the back but I'd be drunk by the time he finished his opening statement.
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The voters decide our nominee; not the media. Plus, many voters are fed up with RINO's. I predict that Bush and Trump will probably be the last two standing while the rest of the candidates drop out because of lack of funds. Kinda like Newt in FL where Mitt had a enormous money advantage. It is going to take hundreds of millions of dollars just to compete in the primaries. I hope that Cruz can come up with the cash but I doubt it. He could beat Hilllary if he got the nomination provided he did not go mushy against Hillary like Mitt did against Obama in the second and third debate.
I and many others think that Kelly and Chris wanted to knock Trump off his block and were unfair. I answered you questions, now please answer mine:
1. Have you ever called a man a pig, asshole, etc? This was a loaded question and what does it have to do with the election. I would venture to say that Trump has hired thousands of women and paid them well. But you take one sound bite and you and the media try to turn him into a bad person. She should apologize
2. What the hell does a question about transgender have to do with the election? Another retarded question.
3. I have noticed that women want equality but don't like it when they are criticized. Many viewers thought her questions were over the top. Women need to put their big boy pants on if they want to play in the arena rather than play the victim.
4. Do you think that Kelly will go after Hillary like she did with Trump? Hell no she won't. Plus, if Chris and Braer(sp) went after her like they did with Trump, they would be heavily criticized don't you think?? Can we say double standard. Having seen some of the interviews between moderators at Fox in the last election, it was like a love in with Obama. Not so with the Repubs. Fox lost a lot of viewers after that gotcha debate including me.
BTW, I would love to see Cruz get the nomination or become VP. I like Trump but think Cruz would beat Hillary handily.
I disagree with you on a couple of points. First of all, yes in a sense the MSM can get a candidate elected; the media loved Obama and made him out to be the messiah -- he was elected twice by the people based on what the MSM fed them. The MSM has already decided that Bush and Clinton will be the nominees; they announced that prediction before any of the candidates announced that they were running. However, and fortunately, at this point in time that doesn't appear to be quite true because of Trump; he has taken focus off of Bush and has allowed others to get some focus-- but how things actually play out with Trump is yet to be seen. A huge red flag should have alarmed everyone when he stated that he would not commit to not running 3rd party. I'm not at all convinced that Trump wants to be president; he is either in Hillary's camp or someone else's. Right now he is taking a lot of heat off of the Republican candidates. If you recall, the MSM/DEMS had a field day at this time last election especially with Cain and Gingrich -- it wasn't lack of funds but the MSM destroyed them.
If you watch and listen to Cruz at Red State, he announced that he raised more "hard" money than Bush. For a candidate so low in the polls (as projected by the MSM) that is quite impressive.
There is a huge difference between gender equality and sexist remarks. Clearly Trump made derogatory remarks against females. A president should NOT slander anyone because of race, creed or gender and he did exactly that. Not only that but Trump has insulted the Latinos as well; he has basically alienated two important sectors of the voting population. Kelly and the other moderators asked tough questions of all the candidates. I personally thought they did an excellent job; other than not awarding equal time to all of the candidates.
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So you're lying when you purposefully put in "Trump 2016"? Or you're stirring up shit, one or the other.
I don't beat up on Trump and I certainly don't despise him. I just don't take him seriously and while I understand the general outrage that a lot of voters have at the GOP in particular, I don't see that Trump is any kind of answer. He sucks up resources in the sense that there is only so much political capital to go around and Trump takes it all. Not good.
Agreed.
I support Trump for President but do think he has personality issues. Kinda like LBJ who twisted arms to get his legislation passed. In that regard, I think he would make a great President because of the radical changes he would make. We are at a tipping point where things need to be changed quickly. Otherwise, we will wind up with a band-aid approach to immigration, economic and trade. Trump said in the debate he does not have time for tone.
If Trump flames out, Cruz will be my my next choice and I would vote for him in a heartbeat. Don't think he would be a kick em in the balls type but he would certainly be much better than GWB and Jeb and the rest of the rinos.
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I support Trump for President but do think he has personality issues. Kinda like LBJ who twisted arms to get his legislation passed. In that regard, I think he would make a great President because of the radical changes he would make. We are at a tipping point where things need to be changed quickly. Otherwise, we will wind up with a band-aid approach to immigration, economic and trade. Trump said in the debate he does not have time for tone.
If Trump flames out, Cruz will be my my next choice and I would vote for him in a heartbeat. Don't think he would be a kick em in the balls type but he would certainly be much better than GWB and Jeb and the rest of the rinos.
But the questions we should be asking is, what kind of changes and how will those changes be made? What is he going to do about immigration? Build a wall? When? How? Enforce current laws? As a crony capitalist (even he proudly says he's taken advantage of the system) what kind of changes will he make to the economy and trade? Will he make changes that will benefit everyone or just other filthy rich people? What has he said he wants to do because I haven't heard anything. What about 0bamacare? He was on David Letterman a few months ago going all ga-ga over the Scottish system. Another time, he's said he wants a system where government can make deals with hospitals and care providers to help the poor and then allow everyone else to purchase over state lines. He's so incoherent on issues, I'm not sure what to expect of a Trump presidency.
He better damn well find time for tone because he cannot win a general election sounding like a 2 year old and if he keeps it up, the support he has now is going to wane. I thought it was cool at first. Someone was finally saying what everyone was thinking but eventually you have to move beyond anger into solutions. You have to act like an adult and not a schoolyard bully.
cindie
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I disagree with you on a couple of points. First of all, yes in a sense the MSM can get a candidate elected; the media loved Obama and made him out to be the messiah -- he was elected twice by the people based on what the MSM fed them. The MSM has already decided that Bush and Clinton will be the nominees; they announced that prediction before any of the candidates announced that they were running. However, and fortunately, at this point in time that doesn't appear to be quite true because of Trump; he has taken focus off of Bush and has allowed others to get some focus-- but how things actually play out with Trump is yet to be seen. A huge red flag should have alarmed everyone when he stated that he would not commit to not running 3rd party. I'm not at all convinced that Trump wants to be president; he is either in Hillary's camp or someone else's. Right now he is taking a lot of heat off of the Republican candidates. If you recall, the MSM/DEMS had a field day at this time last election especially with Cain and Gingrich -- it wasn't lack of funds but the MSM destroyed them.
If you watch and listen to Cruz at Red State, he announced that he raised more "hard" money than Bush. For a candidate so low in the polls (as projected by the MSM) that is quite impressive.
There is a huge difference between gender equality and sexist remarks. Clearly Trump made derogatory remarks against females. A president should NOT slander anyone because of race, creed or gender and he did exactly that. Not only that but Trump has insulted the Latinos as well; he has basically alienated two important sectors of the voting population. Kelly and the other moderators asked tough questions of all the candidates. I personally thought they did an excellent job; other than not awarding equal time to all of the candidates.
I disagree with you. Plus, you did not answer my questions. So I will answer them for you.
1. Kelly new exactly who Donald was speaking about. IMO, Rosie is a fat, ugly, disgusting, pig. Plus, I did not even call her a dyke.
2, The question regarding the Army paying or allowing a transgender freak to enter the service is far, far off the wall in a presidential debate.
3. Many viewers thought that the moderators did go after Trump and that it was unfair. Plus, he was interrupted several time because the moderator did not like his answer and were argumentative. That rarely happened to the other candidates.
4. The Hildabeast will never be subject to the type of questions that the moderators asked. I could make a list that would make her leave the stage such as what and why did you take items out of the W.H. You are a lawyer and know what the limit of gifts are that you can keep; I think it is up to $50. I would suggest that she is a thief. I see much hypocrisy in the media especially when it comes to women. Men will not ask liberal women tough question because they will branded as insensitive, hateful and every other name in the book. Surely, you are able to see that.
I agree that Trump made a comment to Kelly about the blood and calling her a bimbo that was not appropriate. However, we all say things that we regret. He should apologize about the blood part and she should not go whine like a victim on TV the next day. That will not happen because it is not in his DNA
FYI, everyone that comes into this country illegally is a criminal and should be sent back across the border. In many countries, they treat fence jumpers harshly. In conclusion, I am not worried about the feeling of people that come into this country illegally or Mexico. Many legal Mexicans agree that these fence jumpers and drug carriers should be dealt with an iron fist.
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Lacarnut, I stopped reading your response to my post when I got to the sentence that stated you were going to answer for me. Really? You are going to answer for me? :rotf: Conversation has just ended.
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Lacarnut, I stopped reading your response to my post when I got to the sentence that stated you were going to answer for me. Really? You are going to answer for me? :rotf: Conversation has just ended.
The post was meant for Delilahmused. Sorry
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Anger is a piss poor reason to vote for a President. Anger is the reason to get out there and find someone that is qualified, experienced and has a positive agenda for this nation.
I'm looking for a sucessful, at least twice elected, governor or former governor.
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Anger is a piss poor reason to vote for a President. Anger is the reason to get out there and find someone that is qualified, experienced and has a positive agenda for this nation.
I'm looking for a sucessful, at least twice elected, governor or former governor.
You're not talking about Romney are you ? :whistling:
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Anger is a piss poor reason to vote for a President. Anger is the reason to get out there and find someone that is qualified, experienced and has a positive agenda for this nation.
I'm looking for a sucessful, at least twice elected, governor or former governor.
Your post is contradictory. You say that anger is a poor reason to vote for a Prez., and then turn around in the next sentence and state the opposite.
The last thing I want is a career politician like Bush, Huckabuck, etc. because with their experience it will be business as usual. What we need is someone that will bash Bonehead. McConnell, Rinos over the head to turn this ship around on issues of trade, economy, immigration, debt, etc. Bush would make a lousy President. Same for the Hildabeast.
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No, I did not post a contradictory statement.
We have, now, an amature in the White House. How is that working out for us? Ya, you're right, not so well.
I want a successful governor, that was elected at least twice. In over 100 years we have had two Presidents that had little to no government experience, Hoover and Obama. Not a very great endorsement for another amature, is it?
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Money talks and BS walks. After several primaries, the candidates that have not placed in the top tier will drop out because their money from donors will dry up. That is how it has worked in past Repub. primaries.
This primary isn't like others. You have to go back to the Carter presidency to understand the mood of the country right now. With or without The Donald, it's highly unlikely any "big money" candidate will win. Been there, done that. People have had enough of candidates backed by big money and crony capitalists. The establishment will try to do the same thing they always do, but there's too much anger & fear out there, even people that don't pay attention to politics feel it.
The one that wins the primary and eventually the presidency will be the man or woman who shows love for this country, believes the best is yet to come and has a positive vision for getting us there. Candidates who only talk about grievances (I'm thinking Hillary & Trump) instead of solutions and spend their campaign railing about problems cannot win. My guess is, it will be 1980 all over again. The current front runners aren't offering the attitude or solutions people want. Trump is giving voice to our frustrations and we need that but it won't get him to the white house. If he does decided to go 3rd party because the Republicans aren't "treating him right" (and currently no one knows what that means), hopefully there'll be enough people to see past that and it won't put Hillary in the WH. Given the Reagan landslide, I'm hopeful. If Trump truly loves this country and wants it back on track then he'll back the nominee. It won't be another Bush. My money's on Cruz but Rubio & Walker have that same love of country and enthusiasm. Whoever wins would do well to pick Carly for their running mate. I would, however, make Trump Commerce Secretary. That would be a fun ride!
Cindie
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I don't know how effective the strategy is to let the libs dishonestly attack conservatives, tear them down, and expect them to be graceful about not responding.
What that does is gives the public the idea that the dishonest tactics the left uses are revealing truths about conservatives.
Prime example, Harry "Pedarest" Reid gets on the floor of the senate and states that Romney has illegally with held paying or even filing taxes for years.
I don't recall any response, and I presume that the conservative powers that be approved of the "graceful" kowtow.
I think that every time a lib falsely accuses a conservative of anything, there should be a backlash to set the record straight.
Yes, I do think Bush is a graceful, restrained meek man, but I that extreme has hurt him at least in the short to mid term run.
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This primary isn't like others. You have to go back to the Carter presidency to understand the mood of the country right now. With or without The Donald, it's highly unlikely any "big money" candidate will win. Been there, done that. People have had enough of candidates backed by big money and crony capitalists. The establishment will try to do the same thing they always do, but there's too much anger & fear out there, even people that don't pay attention to politics feel it.
The one that wins the primary and eventually the presidency will be the man or woman who shows love for this country, believes the best is yet to come and has a positive vision for getting us there. Candidates who only talk about grievances (I'm thinking Hillary & Trump) instead of solutions and spend their campaign railing about problems cannot win. My guess is, it will be 1980 all over again. The current front runners aren't offering the attitude or solutions people want. Trump is giving voice to our frustrations and we need that but it won't get him to the white house. If he does decided to go 3rd party because the Republicans aren't "treating him right" (and currently no one knows what that means), hopefully there'll be enough people to see past that and it won't put Hillary in the WH. Given the Reagan landslide, I'm hopeful. If Trump truly loves this country and wants it back on track then he'll back the nominee. It won't be another Bush. My money's on Cruz but Rubio & Walker have that same love of country and enthusiasm. Whoever wins would do well to pick Carly for their running mate. I would, however, make Trump Commerce Secretary. That would be a fun ride!
Cindie
Bush and or Trump will be one of the two standing at the end of the primary season because they have big bucks. Just wait and see.
What many people fail to realize is that Trump is a negotiator. I don't think he will run as a 3rd party candidate unless the polls show that he leads Repubs. If the polls show otherwise, he will support the Repub candidate for a price....probably for financial gain. Hillary with her tax the rich promise would not be advantageous for him. .
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Bush and or Trump will be one of the two standing at the end of the primary season because they have big bucks. Just wait and see.
What many people fail to realize is that Trump is a negotiator. I don't think he will run as a 3rd party candidate unless the polls show that he leads Repubs. If the polls show otherwise, he will support the Repub candidate for a price....probably for financial gain. Hillary with her tax the rich promise would not be advantageous for him. .
Why the hell would he go third party if he's at the top of the polls? That would mean he's also winning primaries. What's he gonna say, "Yaayyy! I won Iowa and Ohio...think I'll just start the Trump party!" It would be a highly stupid move on his part and the man isn't stupid. However, his criteria ISN'T his poll numbers, it's whether the party's "treating him right". He's the only one who can determine what that means. I'm guessing it's if his ego gets bruised.
I think when his poll numbers start to fall, he'll get bored. No one sustains these kinds of numbers, just ask Scott Walker and Hillary Clinton (she was the odds on money favorite in 2008). People heard very little of Cruz during the debates (he went 40 minutes without being asked a question), yet his poll numbers nearly doubled. Carson, Rubio & Walker also saw gains. Carly wasn't even at the big kids table and hers went way up.
Were you around during the Reagan revolution? The big money candidates were left in the dust. The mood of the country right now is about 10 times worse than it was then. There's almost nothing to be happy about. The majority of our citizens think the country is going in the wrong direction. As we're a self correcting country, we'll probably be inclined to vote for someone with more conservative credentials. This will be a highly unconventional campaign season. Primary voters still have a bad taste in their mouths from the McCain and Romney campaigns which is another reason I don't think money will have the impact it normally does.
While Trump is tapping into the country's anger, his money may be a drawback in the long run. He's the richest person to ever run for president and like it or not, he IS part of the establishment and he freely admits to using his money to buy influence. The smart money said Bush, like every RINO before him, would shoot to the top but that hasn't been the case. He has big money donors and PACs full of millions but it's not buying his campaign any momentum. Rubio and Cruz have smaller war chests, their average donation is $50 and $80, respectively, but they obviously are appealing to regular people who don't have tons of money to donate. Money doesn't vote. People do.
Also, the real campaign season hasn't even started yet. Wait until the end of August when people start paying more attention. There's a good portion of the base that hasn't gotten engaged in the primaries at this point. Both Trump and Bush have the advantage of name recognition and that automatically gives them high poll numbers but as the season goes on that advantage will dissipate.
Right now the situation's very fluid and it's hard to say what the final outcome will be. Information may come out about one or more of the candidates that causes them to drop out. The ones that have absolutely no chance will be gone soon and their support will be dispersed among the other candidates. One of the governors could have a crisis in their states that keeps them from the campaign trail and causes them to lose their momentum. The Donald could choke to death on his comb over.
I do think this will be an unconventional election but it's impossible for anyone to predict the outcome right now, even by omniscient Trump supporters. Heck, Hillary may not even be the nominee. She's so plagued with scandal right now that if Biden gets in, I don't see her winning.
Cindie
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Carter brought us Reagan. Obama will bring us Cruz! :usflag:
Cruz is Golden! 2016
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Why the hell would he go third party if he's at the top of the polls? That would mean he's also winning primaries. What's he gonna say, "Yaayyy! I won Iowa and Ohio...think I'll just start the Trump party!" It would be a highly stupid move on his part and the man isn't stupid. However, his criteria ISN'T his poll numbers, it's whether the party's "treating him right". He's the only one who can determine what that means. I'm guessing it's if his ego gets bruised.
I think when his poll numbers start to fall, he'll get bored. No one sustains these kinds of numbers, just ask Scott Walker and Hillary Clinton (she was the odds on money favorite in 2008). People heard very little of Cruz during the debates (he went 40 minutes without being asked a question), yet his poll numbers nearly doubled. Carson, Rubio & Walker also saw gains. Carly wasn't even at the big kids table and hers went way up.
Were you around during the Reagan revolution? The big money candidates were left in the dust. The mood of the country right now is about 10 times worse than it was then. There's almost nothing to be happy about. The majority of our citizens think the country is going in the wrong direction. As we're a self correcting country, we'll probably be inclined to vote for someone with more conservative credentials. This will be a highly unconventional campaign season. Primary voters still have a bad taste in their mouths from the McCain and Romney campaigns which is another reason I don't think money will have the impact it normally does.
While Trump is tapping into the country's anger, his money may be a drawback in the long run. He's the richest person to ever run for president and like it or not, he IS part of the establishment and he freely admits to using his money to buy influence. The smart money said Bush, like every RINO before him, would shoot to the top but that hasn't been the case. He has big money donors and PACs full of millions but it's not buying his campaign any momentum. Rubio and Cruz have smaller war chests, their average donation is $50 and $80, respectively, but they obviously are appealing to regular people who don't have tons of money to donate. Money doesn't vote. People do.
Also, the real campaign season hasn't even started yet. Wait until the end of August when people start paying more attention. There's a good portion of the base that hasn't gotten engaged in the primaries at this point. Both Trump and Bush have the advantage of name recognition and that automatically gives them high poll numbers but as the season goes on that advantage will dissipate.
Right now the situation's very fluid and it's hard to say what the final outcome will be. Information may come out about one or more of the candidates that causes them to drop out. The ones that have absolutely no chance will be gone soon and their support will be dispersed among the other candidates. One of the governors could have a crisis in their states that keeps them from the campaign trail and causes them to lose their momentum. The Donald could choke to death on his comb over.
I do think this will be an unconventional election but it's impossible for anyone to predict the outcome right now, even by omniscient Trump supporters. Heck, Hillary may not even be the nominee. She's so plagued with scandal right now that if Biden gets in, I don't see her winning.
Cindie
Opinions are like you know what. Every one has one. Plus, your crystall ball is just as good as mine. We will just have to see. For the record, most of the candidates are millionaires with the exception of Walker. At the end of the primaries, the ones that have the most money will have an advantage. The first 3 or 4 will not make a difference.
If Trump gets the nomination, will you vote for him or will you urge Flora to run as a 3rd party candidate who has zero chance of winning? Talk about a disaster; she is a loser at her first try at politicial office in CA, and lost her job because HP cratered. We do not need another unqualified minority in the W.H.
FYI, my first vote for President was for Goldwater.
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Opinions are like you know what. Every one has one. Plus, your crystall ball is just as good as mine. We will just have to see. For the record, most of the candidates are millionaires with the exception of Walker. At the end of the primaries, the ones that have the most money will have an advantage. The first 3 or 4 will not make a difference.
If Trump gets the nomination, will you vote for him or will you urge Flora to run as a 3rd party candidate who has zero chance of winning? Talk about a disaster; she is a loser at her first try at politicial office in CA, and lost her job because HP cratered. We do not need another unqualified minority in the W.H.
FYI, my first vote for President was for Goldwater.
If Goldwater was your first vote then you should be more astute about what's happening right now in the country because it means you lived through Carter and the Reagan election after that. And by the way, I was the one who said it was so fluid right now that no one knew what will eventually happen. Your the one getting your panties in a twist insisting it's going to be Bush and Trump. Evidently, history is lost on you because we have been here before. I really do find it hard to believe you're that old. Seriously, I thought you were maybe early 20's because your arguments and replies are what I normally expect from someone who doesn't have a great deal of life experience.
And where the hell are you getting that I won't vote for Trump if he's the nominee? I've said plenty of times that Cruz is my first choice so why the hell would I urge Carly, or anyone else, to run third party? Unlike Trump, I know the stakes are too high to hand the election to another leftist. But many things were responsible for HP's problems at the time and Carly certainly was part of that. However, it was also during a time when tech companies were failing right and left (my husband's been in the tech industry our entire married life so it's something we're very connected to).
I think the only thing I've said about her is that her poll numbers went up, I'm impressed with her and she'd be a great VP pick. You really need to work on your comprehension skills. Either that or you're so blinded by Trump's divine light you're incapable of critical thought. You can't see past the "conventional wisdom" which gives you a distinct disadvantage. I've really tried to be patient with you and have a back and forth like I would any other adult but you're simply not worth my time anymore because you make ridiculous, illogical leaps that in no way relate to any of the points I've made. But good luck with the Trump thing. It would be much better for you if you wouldn't be so obsessed with him, though. It's not healthy.
I feel like I've fallen through some weird vortex and landed back in the era of Ron Paul.
Cindie
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We haven't had a good fight club thread in a long while.
That's where this one is heading and/or needs to go.
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If Goldwater was your first vote then you should be more astute about what's happening right now in the country because it means you lived through Carter and the Reagan election after that. And by the way, I was the one who said it was so fluid right now that no one knew what will eventually happen. Your the one getting your panties in a twist insisting it's going to be Bush and Trump. Evidently, history is lost on you because we have been here before. I really do find it hard to believe you're that old. Seriously, I thought you were maybe early 20's because your arguments and replies are what I normally expect from someone who doesn't have a great deal of life experience.
And where the hell are you getting that I won't vote for Trump if he's the nominee? I've said plenty of times that Cruz is my first choice so why the hell would I urge Carly, or anyone else, to run third party? Unlike Trump, I know the stakes are too high to hand the election to another leftist. But many things were responsible for HP's problems at the time and Carly certainly was part of that. However, it was also during a time when tech companies were failing right and left (my husband's been in the tech industry our entire married life so it's something we're very connected to).
I think the only thing I've said about her is that her poll numbers went up, I'm impressed with her and she'd be a great VP pick. You really need to work on your comprehension skills. Either that or you're so blinded by Trump's divine light you're incapable of critical thought. You can't see past the "conventional wisdom" which gives you a distinct disadvantage. I've really tried to be patient with you and have a back and forth like I would any other adult but you're simply not worth my time anymore because you make ridiculous, illogical leaps that in no way relate to any of the points I've made. But good luck with the Trump thing. It would be much better for you if you wouldn't be so obsessed with him, though. It's not healthy.
I feel like I've fallen through some weird vortex and landed back in the era of Ron Paul.
Cindie
You are not interested in debate, all you want to do is attack Trump and anyone that supports him. Go for if it makes you feel better. I think it is funny. His hair and everything thing else about him bugs you.
I think Trump is right on immigration, economy, trade and will get this country moving in the right direction. So, he has my support. If he does not get the nomination, I hope Cruz gets it. Plus, I hope that analysis registers in your thick skull because I have already made that comment to YOU of my support for Cruz in a previous post. "PLEASE READ THE FIRST POST ON THIS PAGE" Talking to you is like talking to someone on drugs that has tunnel vision. Your attack on me falls on deaf ears because I do not have thin skin like you.
Trump/Cruz for Prez & VP in 2016
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That's where this one is heading and/or needs to go.
I thought about it, but quickly discarded that thought. Lacarnut just holds on to his way of thinking regardless of the point that's being made, and I have stuff IRL to deal with.
No, cindie, he's older than dirt. It's easy to tell because like the proverbial old man, he's caustic. He's the proverbial Mr. Wilson. :rotf:
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I don't know how effective the strategy is to let the libs dishonestly attack conservatives, tear them down, and expect them to be graceful about not responding.
What that does is gives the public the idea that the dishonest tactics the left uses are revealing truths about conservatives.
Prime example, Harry "Pedarest" Reid gets on the floor of the senate and states that Romney has illegally with held paying or even filing taxes for years.
I don't recall any response, and I presume that the conservative powers that be approved of the "graceful" kowtow.
I think that every time a lib falsely accuses a conservative of anything, there should be a backlash to set the record straight.Yes, I do think Bush is a graceful, restrained meek man, but I that extreme has hurt him at least in the short to mid term run.
Exactly.
If anyone remembers Saxophone Bill, every time he was criticized about 15 democrats got in front of a camera to defend him and/or shoot back at his critics.
When a republican president was criticized, all you hear are "crickets" from other republicans.
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You are not interested in debate, all you want to do is attack Trump and anyone that supports him. Go for if it makes you feel better. I think it is funny. His hair and everything thing else about him bugs you.
I think Trump is right on immigration, economy, trade and will get this country moving in the right direction. So, he has my support. If he does not get the nomination, I hope Cruz gets it. Plus, I hope that analysis registers in your thick skull because I have already made that comment to YOU of my support for Cruz in a previous post. "PLEASE READ THE FIRST POST ON THIS PAGE" Talking to you is like talking to someone on drugs that has tunnel vision. Your attack on me falls on deaf ears because I do not have thin skin like you.
Trump/Cruz for Prez & VP in 2016
You advocate a Trump/Cruz presidential ticket, but they do have some difference on a couple of issues regarding the 2nd amendment and free trade. Trump is business savvy while Cruz is Constitutional savvy. Trump has no tact. Cruz is presidential. So yes, in a way they do compliment each other, but the huge difference being that Trump is willing to run 3rd party and risking handing the vote to Hillary while I don't see Cruz doing that. Cruz and Trump are the top two, but I thought you had commented that Trump and Bush would be left standing.
Trump/Cruz would be a good ticket... but I just don't see it with the stark differences in their personalities.
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You advocate a Trump/Cruz presidential ticket, but they do have some difference on a couple of issues regarding the 2nd amendment and free trade. Trump is business savvy while Cruz is Constitutional savvy. Trump has no tact. Cruz is presidential. So yes, in a way they do compliment each other, but the huge difference being that Trump is willing to run 3rd party and risking handing the vote to Hillary while I don't see Cruz doing that. Cruz and Trump are the top two, but I thought you had commented that Trump and Bush would be left standing.
Trump/Cruz would be a good ticket... but I just don't see it with the stark differences in their personalities.
As I said on another thread a few minutes ago, Trump has also waffled on defunding PP. On CNN's New Day (http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/11/politics/donald-trump-planned-parenthood-abortion-defunding/) this morning he said
"I would look at the good aspects of it and I would also look because I'm sure they do some things properly and good, good for women, and I would look at that,"
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"I would look at the individual things that they do and maybe some of the things are good," Trump said. "We have to take care of women. We have to absolutely take care of women. The abortion aspect of Planned Parenthood should not -- absolutely should not -- be funded."
I was surprised Rush didn't bring this up today but it might have happened after his show prep was done. I don't see how it's possible to fund one and not the other, though. You inspect the books periodically but it's not that hard to fudge numbers and the government isn't exactly thorough about these things. Audits are for conservatives. Even IF you could trust PP on keeping the money separate, funding "other services" means there's more money in their abortion coffers. And I seriously doubt advertising propaganda monies are only taken from the baby killing budget.
Besides, we should be looking at ways to cut the budget, not keep spending money that can and should be funded by private sector donations.
Cindie
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As I said on another thread a few minutes ago, Trump has also waffled on defunding PP. On CNN's New Day (http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/11/politics/donald-trump-planned-parenthood-abortion-defunding/) this morning he saidandI was surprised Rush didn't bring this up today but it might have happened after his show prep was done. I don't see how it's possible to fund one and not the other, though. You inspect the books periodically but it's not that hard to fudge numbers and the government isn't exactly thorough about these things. Audits are for conservatives. Even IF you could trust PP on keeping the money separate, funding "other services" means there's more money in their abortion coffers. And I seriously doubt advertising propaganda monies are only taken from the baby killing budget.
Besides, we should be looking at ways to cut the budget, not keep spending money that can and should be funded by private sector donations.
Cindie
It should be defunded entirely and a separate agency set up for women's issues without abortion funding. I think that Trump alluded to the fact that PP has a few good womens issues for the poor that have merit such as testing for diseases. However, like you said, the whole thing needs to be thrown out .
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You advocate a Trump/Cruz presidential ticket, but they do have some difference on a couple of issues regarding the 2nd amendment and free trade. Trump is business savvy while Cruz is Constitutional savvy. Trump has no tact. Cruz is presidential. So yes, in a way they do compliment each other, but the huge difference being that Trump is willing to run 3rd party and risking handing the vote to Hillary while I don't see Cruz doing that. Cruz and Trump are the top two, but I thought you had commented that Trump and Bush would be left standing.
Trump/Cruz would be a good ticket... but I just don't see it with the stark differences in their personalities.
I thought I said that Trump and/or Bush would be left standing. I also believe that Cruz will be on the ticket.
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It should be defunded entirely and a separate agency set up for women's issues without abortion funding. I think that Trump alluded to the fact that PP has a few good womens issues for the poor that have merit such as testing for diseases. However, like you said, the whole thing needs to be thrown out .
PP is NOT going to stop being an abortion provider. The poor have Medicaid, there's NO reason we should be funding PP and the last thing the government needs is another agency. The idea is to get a fiscal conservative in the WH to stop all this unnecessary funding. Let PP solicit donations from the private sector. It's bullshit that the government should be providing Medicaid AND giving millions to PP for the same services.
Cindie
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I'm looking for a sucessful, at least twice elected, governor or former governor.
Why?
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Why?
I don't necessarily think the person we elect has to have served in a particular office or even in politics to be a great president. Leadership qualities are easy to spot. I actually think one of the most important qualities in a leader (whether business or politics) is their ability to choose good people to fill various positions and then knowing how to delegate. Choosing good people isn't always easy, especially when you're not completely familiar with a particular department.
I can pretty much tell which candidates have leadership skills. Cruz is at the top of my list and he's never been a governor. Having a governor is no guarantee...think Bill Clinton.
Cindie
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I don't necessarily think the person we elect has to have served in a particular office or even in politics to be a great president. Leadership qualities are easy to spot. I actually think one of the most important qualities in a leader (whether business or politics) is their ability to choose good people to fill various positions and then knowing how to delegate. Choosing good people isn't always easy, especially when you're not completely familiar with a particular department.
I can pretty much tell which candidates have leadership skills. Cruz is at the top of my list and he's never been a governor. Having a governor is no guarantee...think Bill Clinton.
Cindie
Think Jimmy Carter, too. Being willing to know your limitations in any given area and being willing to delegate authority is key to being a good leader.
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Think Jimmy Carter, too. Being willing to know your limitations in any given area and being willing to delegate authority is key to being a good leader.
That is somewhat true. But we aren't just talking about being a leader. We are talking about leading what was the most powerful nation in the world along with knowing the Constitution, Federal laws, protocol, etc. This is far from being an owner of several companies, a CEO or a leader of a neurosurgical team.
Cruz - Senator, solicitor general, attorney
Rubio - Senator, state representative
Huckabee - Lieutenant governor and governor
Christie - governor
Bush - governor
Carson - neurosurgeon
Trump - real estate tycoon
Fiorina - fired CEO
Paul - senator
Walker - governor
Kasich - governor
Perry - governor
Santorum - senator, attorney
I left out a couple, but we have some very talented, very experienced candidates running and those without experience are leading. I for one find this disheartening, but understandable. People are sick and tire of politicians; especially the GOPe. I look for there to be a shake up in the Congressional elections as well.
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Google-- follow@onthe issuesorg listing all the Repub. candidates and their positions. At the end, it states that Trump is a conservative. You will not do that because you are stupid @sshole.
BTW, I do not worship any candidate especially a politician. You must be talking about yourself in the worship department.
In conclusion, go F. yourself and the donkey you rode in.
I find the name calling because someone has a difference of opinion quite liberal minded; that's how liberals react towards those that disagree with them. Yes, I use the website "on the issues", but, I hardly consider Trump liberal. I try not to conclude anything about a candidate based on one website. Take a look at the website that I provided a link for and take a look at how Trump rates, then tell me if he's a hard core conservative in comparison to Cruz or Rubio based on the issues rated. I'm sorry, Trump has voiced stipulations on the 2nd amendment. I find any candidate that is weak on the 2nd amendment questionable. In my opinion, that is the very most important issue we face. I find him wanting to run 3rd party questionable. I find his obvious attack on women questionable. I find his statement on PP regarding services as weak and not accurate and obviously he's trying to score some brownie points now with women. Trump has done some good; but as far as president, we have several candidates who would be much better and are by far certainly more qualified.
https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-Presidential-Candidates
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I find the name calling because someone has a difference of opinion quite liberal minded; that's how liberals react towards those that disagree with them. Yes, I use the website "on the issues", but, I hardly consider Trump liberal. I try not to conclude anything about a candidate based on one website. Take a look at the website that I provided a link for and take a look at how Trump rates, then tell me if he's a hard core conservative in comparison to Cruz or Rubio based on the issues rated. I'm sorry, Trump has voiced stipulations on the 2nd amendment. I find any candidate that is weak on the 2nd amendment questionable. In my opinion, that is the very most important issue we face. I find him wanting to run 3rd party questionable. I find his obvious attack on women questionable. I find his statement on PP regarding services as weak and not accurate and obviously he's trying to score some brownie points now with women. Trump has done some good; but as far as president, we have several candidates who would be much better and are by far certainly more qualified.
https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-Presidential-Candidates
Just my nickel's worth. The name calling is pretty much a liberal calling card when they have nothing. I also don't think Trump is in anyway a conservative and many of his business dealing are pretty liberal (bankruptcy for profit). He also has flipflopped on abortion and gun control.
Peace to all my conservative brothern.
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I find the name calling because someone has a difference of opinion quite liberal minded; that's how liberals react towards those that disagree with them. Yes, I use the website "on the issues", but, I hardly consider Trump liberal. I try not to conclude anything about a candidate based on one website. Take a look at the website that I provided a link for and take a look at how Trump rates, then tell me if he's a hard core conservative in comparison to Cruz or Rubio based on the issues rated. I'm sorry, Trump has voiced stipulations on the 2nd amendment. I find any candidate that is weak on the 2nd amendment questionable. In my opinion, that is the very most important issue we face. I find him wanting to run 3rd party questionable. I find his obvious attack on women questionable. I find his statement on PP regarding services as weak and not accurate and obviously he's trying to score some brownie points now with women. Trump has done some good; but as far as president, we have several candidates who would be much better and are by far certainly more qualified.
https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-Presidential-Candidates
His recent squishiness on Planned Parenthood really bothers me, too. I have no problem with people changing their minds on an issue, especially when they've not been in a circumstance where they've had to think it through. It's why I don't begrudge Walker his earlier stance (or lack thereof) on illegal aliens & the border, it's not something the governor of Wisconsin would have to deal with. In spite of the criticism he received, I appreciated that he said very little until he had more knowledge. However, to say one day you'd definitely defund PP and the next say you'd look at the good things they do and maybe not defund those parts (which is supposedly what we're doing right now) is troublesome. It doesn't even have to be all about PP. We shouldn't be funding half the shit we do. A few 100 million here, a few hundred million there adds up. I appreciate needing to be flexible, but principles and philosophy on government spending should be static.
Cindie
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His recent squishiness on Planned Parenthood really bothers me, too. I have no problem with people changing their minds on an issue, especially when they've not been in a circumstance where they've had to think it through. It's why I don't begrudge Walker his earlier stance (or lack thereof) on illegal aliens & the border, it's not something the governor of Wisconsin would have to deal with. In spite of the criticism he received, I appreciated that he said very little until he had more knowledge. However, to say one day you'd definitely defund PP and the next say you'd look at the good things they do and maybe not defund those parts (which is supposedly what we're doing right now) is troublesome. It doesn't even have to be all about PP. We shouldn't be funding half the shit we do. A few 100 million here, a few hundred million there adds up. I appreciate needing to be flexible, but principles and philosophy on government spending should be static.
Cindie
Trump said he was against PP; then he waffled and said he wanted to keep only the part that excluded abortion. When asked if the funds could be intermingled, he stated that if that happened, it would be time to get rid of PP. I think he made a bad mistake by changing positions. It should be defunded, period. However, him, Carla and the doc. will wind up having these types of gaffs because the primaries are a long way off and the media will try to knock them off their blocks. Many of the career politicians talk a good game but do not deliver when they get in office. The electorate is tired of this, and it would not surprise me that quite a few congress critters will be defeated. Plus, the voters will give some slack to the newbies.
Like a guest on Fox stated, there are enough programs that help poor women without PP.
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I don't necessarily think the person we elect has to have served in a particular office or even in politics to be a great president. Leadership qualities are easy to spot. I actually think one of the most important qualities in a leader (whether business or politics) is their ability to choose good people to fill various positions and then knowing how to delegate. Choosing good people isn't always easy, especially when you're not completely familiar with a particular department.
I can pretty much tell which candidates have leadership skills. Cruz is at the top of my list and he's never been a governor. Having a governor is no guarantee...think Bill Clinton.
Cindie
I agree. But there's this whole BS meme coming from the RINO's that "we have to elect a Governor we HAVE to elect a Governor. Only a Governor can win".
That's crap.
Can anyone tell me what great qualifications to run a country that Washington or Lincoln had before they became two of our greatest Presidents?
For ever former Governor we get that's like Reagan...we get a Clinton...a Carter...and a Rocerfeller
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I agree. But there's this whole BS meme coming from the RINO's that "we have to elect a Governor we HAVE to elect a Governor. Only a Governor can win".
That's crap.
Can anyone tell me what great qualifications to run a country that Washington or Lincoln had before they became two of our greatest Presidents?
For ever former Governor we get that's like Reagan...we get a Clinton...a Carter...and a Rocerfeller
I feel that it is important for the president to have some prior political experience with proven accomplishments. Governor, Senator, Congressman, Lieutenant Governor, State Senator, State Congressmen, etc. Fiorina, Carson and Trump are lacking.
As for Washington he headed the Constitutional Convention -- neither Fiorina, Carson or Trump from what I know have any vast knowledge of the Constitution or Constitutional law nor have they been lawyers. Lincoln served as a Congressman before becoming president. Again, neither Fiorina, Carson or Trump have even held a seat in the state senate or in a state house of representatives nor a seat in the U.S. senate or U.S. House of Representatives. I feel it is an important qualification for becoming president.
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I feel that it is important for the president to have some prior political experience with proven accomplishments. Governor, Senator, Congressman, Lieutenant Governor, State Senator, State Congressmen, etc. Fiorina, Carson and Trump are lacking.
As for Washington he headed the Constitutional Convention -- neither Fiorina, Carson or Trump from what I know have any vast knowledge of the Constitution or Constitutional law nor have they been lawyers. Lincoln served as a Congressman before becoming president. Again, neither Fiorina, Carson or Trump have even held a seat in the state senate or in a state house of representatives nor a seat in the U.S. senate or U.S. House of Representatives. I feel it is an important qualification for becoming president.
Bill Clinton stated that no job qualifies a candidate to be President. It is important to have good people around you that will contribute to the policy making decision. Experience is way overblown IMO. Common sense goes a long way. Plus, I don't want another lawyer in the W.H. No new laws need to be enacted. Just enforce the ones on the books.
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Bill Clinton stated that no job qualifies a candidate to be President. It is important to have good people around you that will contribute to the policy making decision. Experience is way overblown IMO. Common sense goes a long way. Plus, I don't want another lawyer in the W.H. No new laws need to be enacted. Just enforce the ones on the books.
Sorry, but I never found Billy Bob Clinton to have much integrity and certainly no credibility. Yes, common sense goes a long way, but experience goes even further.
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Bill Clinton stated that no job qualifies a candidate to be President. It is important to have good people around you that will contribute to the policy making decision. Experience is way overblown IMO. Common sense goes a long way. Plus, I don't want another lawyer in the W.H. No new laws need to be enacted. Just enforce the ones on the books.
Why would anyone listen to 1 thing Bill, Hitlary, Carter, or owebuma ever said ?
I don't believe a word that comes out of any of their mouths.
If anything, I believe the complete opposite.
Which of them is any kind of expert in anything besides the worst kind of politics and the ability to control the low information voters ?
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I feel that it is important for the president to have some prior political experience with proven accomplishments. Governor, Senator, Congressman, Lieutenant Governor, State Senator, State Congressmen, etc. Fiorina, Carson and Trump are lacking.
As for Washington he headed the Constitutional Convention -- neither Fiorina, Carson or Trump from what I know have any vast knowledge of the Constitution or Constitutional law nor have they been lawyers. Lincoln served as a Congressman before becoming president. Again, neither Fiorina, Carson or Trump have even held a seat in the state senate or in a state house of representatives nor a seat in the U.S. senate or U.S. House of Representatives. I feel it is an important qualification for becoming president.
Business is politics. Every company I worked for was political. It's internal, but it's no different than what happens anywhere else. In some ways, it's more critical to deal with because it can affect the success of the company.
In government if you waste money and do stupid shit, argue about every little thing, take forever to get things done, the same amount of money comes in. If a department or committee goes over budget, gets their budget done long after their arbitrary date has gone by or doesn't even bother to submit one, it's just business as usual. If the president and congress don't agree it just goes back and forth. Need a new treasury secretary? Doesn't matter whether they're the best person for the job, there's not even an interview process between more than one candidate, he or she is generally rubber stamped out of "courtesy".
Arbitrarily cut critical budget like the military or downsize or use it as a social experiment, if it affects that department negatively there are rarely consequences for the department heads or the CEO (president). The only people affected are the citizens and the consequences aren't felt until long after that president is gone.
Your department loses a few million dollars? Oh well, politicians will give lip service to it but no one gets fired and no attempt is made to find out what happened to it. Government employees don't lose their jobs, money continues to flow and departments don't close or lay people off leaving 100's, even 1,000's of people out of a job. A scandal, like what's happening at the veterans administration? We'll look into it, there are committee hearings, maybe the president sends someone out to look at the books but there's rarely any real change. There's not even a real firing process. Lois Lerner, retired with a full pension. A congressman or senator gets voted out, they retire with a full pension. This is true and both the state and federal level.
In a private company, any one of those things can affect a company negatively, cost workers their jobs, even cause the company to go out of business. A department head doesn't watch his department's budget, that affects profits, which affects employees, shareholders, R&D and consumer pricing. A department loses the kind of money the government does and they'd be out the door the next day. Even a critical area that doesn't get enough funds could have the same consequences. CEO's, owners, executive heads of departments, they screw up or just don't bother doing their jobs and there are very real consequences. The decisions Ben Carson had to make were literally life and death. People in the public sector don't learn critical lessons from their mistakes because they don't have to.
That's not to say there aren't eminently qualified politicians running, my first 3 choices are politicians. But I'm not going to discount someone who isn't in politics because they deal with the same situations but with real life consequences. We're really lucky this year to have such a deep bench, almost all with excellent credentials to be president.
Cindie
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I don't necessarily think the person we elect has to have served in a particular office or even in politics to be a great president. Leadership qualities are easy to spot. I actually think one of the most important qualities in a leader (whether business or politics) is their ability to choose good people to fill various positions and then knowing how to delegate. Choosing good people isn't always easy, especially when you're not completely familiar with a particular department.
I can pretty much tell which candidates have leadership skills. Cruz is at the top of my list and he's never been a governor. Having a governor is no guarantee...think Bill Clinton.
Cindie
Eisenhower seemed to do just fine with never having elective office until POTUS...
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I'm of the opinion that it really doesn't matter a lot who is in the WH. The entire government has become so swollen, bloated, and self-serving that even the chief executive fundamentally has no control over his own administration. The bureaucracy looks after itself; the taxpayer be damned.
This is under the best of conditions with a POTUS who truly gives a damn about enforcing the law and compliance with it. We don't have those qualities in Barry, so the situation is even worse with a chump like him.
I firmly believe that the federal government is permanently broken. Congress will not rein in spending, Washington D.C. and all its Beltway bureaucrats will see to it that the status quo remains in place. The taxpayers take it up the ass and the Beltway Boys laugh all the way to the bank.
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Ben Carson on being qualified to be president;
"What should qualify anyone to run for president is wisdom and good judgment" ~ Ben Carson
In 1987, he gained world-wide recognition as the principal surgeon in the 22-hour separation of the Binder siamese twins from Germany. This was the first time occipital craniopagus twins had been separated with both surviving.
I think he proved to have both.
He also has the gift of CLEARLY explaining his positions, something other republicans seem to have trouble doing.
I would still rather Cruz be president because I think he also possesses the same qualities.
"I'm not a politician. I don't want to be a politician, because politicians do what is politically expedient. I want to do what's right." ~ Ben Carson
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Ben Carson on being qualified to be president;
"What should qualify anyone to run for president is wisdom and good judgment" ~ Ben CarsonI think he proved to have both.
He also has the gift of CLEARLY explaining his positions, something other republicans seem to have trouble doing.
I would still rather Cruz be president because I think he also possesses the same qualities.
"I'm not a politician. I don't want to be a politician, because politicians do what is politically expedient. I want to do what's right." ~ Ben Carson
Well maybe if he can separate conjoined twins he can separate moochers from the government teat.
Cindie
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Well maybe if he can separate conjoined twins he can separate moochers from the government teat.
Cindie
Let's face it. There are two reasons why Carson is rating as highly as he is in the polls. He is anti GOP establishment and he is black. No different really than what Bary had to offer. Barry was also anti-GOP establishment and black. Only differences are they represent a different focus on the anti-GOP establishment; Barry was a senator who had a very poor voting record who tried to push forth his global poverty act that focused on wealth redistribution.
At the end of the day, they have different visions for the blacks and for America. One has visions of freeing those blacks impoverished from the liberal chains that bind them and the other had visions of keeping them chained by progressive liberal ideals.
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Ben Carson on being qualified to be president;
"What should qualify anyone to run for president is wisdom and good judgment" ~ Ben CarsonI think he proved to have both.
He also has the gift of CLEARLY explaining his positions, something other republicans seem to have trouble doing.
I would still rather Cruz be president because I think he also possesses the same qualities.
"I'm not a politician. I don't want to be a politician, because politicians do what is politically expedient. I want to do what's right." ~ Ben Carson
I would rather see Cruz because he possesses a deep knowledge of the Constitution. He has experience as the longest serving Solicitor general in the State of Texas. He has political experience as a U.S. Senator with a proven conservative voting record. He represents conservative Republican principles and has stood up to the GOP establishment.
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As for Washington he headed the Constitutional Convention -- neither Fiorina, Carson or Trump from what I know have any vast knowledge of the Constitution or Constitutional law nor have they been lawyers.
Washington had zero experience in those areas too. Washington was a surveyor by training and had limited experience in the Indian wars..IIRC never rising above the rank of Lieutenant.
He was picked by the framers to preside over the convention. He by no means was the driving force behind it. The prime movers were the plans laid out by James Madison and Charles Pinckney
Lincoln served as a Congressman before becoming president.
One two year term. That's it.
He lost his bid to be picked as the U.S. Senator from Illinois to Stephen Douglas.
Again, neither Fiorina, Carson or Trump have even held a seat in the state senate or in a state house of representatives nor a seat in the U.S. senate or U.S. House of Representatives.
I feel it is an important qualification for becoming president.
Why?
So you'd exclude Ronald Reagan and Dwight D Eisenhower from being qualified for office based on those "requirements"?
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Let's face it. There are two reasons why Carson is rating as highly as he is in the polls. He is anti GOP establishment and he is black. No different really than what Bary had to offer. Barry was also anti-GOP establishment and black. Only differences are they represent a different focus on the anti-GOP establishment; Barry was a senator who had a very poor voting record who tried to push forth his global poverty act that focused on wealth redistribution.
At the end of the day, they have different visions for the blacks and for America. One has visions of freeing those blacks impoverished from the liberal chains that bind them and the other had visions of keeping them chained by progressive liberal ideals.
I don't believe conservatives are as fickle and disingenuous as the left. Carson isn't popular because of his skin color. The media asks him about "black issues" ad nauseum because they look at the world through race colored glasses. He's spoken quite candidly and eloquently on most of the issues the country cares about. He's been doing so for many years. He's also not afraid to ask questions when he's not well versed on an issue. I like that because, generally the people who think they know it all, don't. I don't care whether you've been a governor, senator, real estate tycoon or CEO, there's no way for anyone to be truly prepared to be POTUS. Great leaders come from all walks of life. The great ones rise to the to the top and stay there because of WHO they are, in the government or private sector.
Whether or not Carson can or should win, his popularity is due to being an outsider and not compromising his personal values. He's incredibly intelligent both deliberate and thoughtful when he speaks. The same personal qualities that took him from poverty to head of pediatric neurosurgery at one of the most prestigious hospitals in the world are the same qualities that would serve him well as president.
What I want more than anything this time around is leadership. One of the biggest hoaxes played on the American people the past several decades, is the elites convincing us than ONLY someone from the political class is qualified to be president. Not once have I been given a credible explanation why only THEY are qualified. Leadership is sadly (deliberately) lacking. There are several candidates running who have great records as governors and senators who would be excellent presidents so and I would vote for them in a heartbeat. Those that haven't been corrupted by any political machine are the ones I'm most impressed with because they refuse to compromise their values or promises to their constituents no matter how much pressure and criticism is heaped on them.
But, almost all of DC, whether Capitol Hill or the Executive Branch has become a bunch of insiders with certain "rules" if you want to join their club. None of those rules have anything to do with leadership or vision or what's good for the country. All are beholden to K street, Chamber of Commerce and the rich who grease their palms. Boehner and McConnell don't even try anymore. 0bama couldn't lead a dehydrated duck to water.
I'm sick of the political elites. Right now all the media talks about are Hillary, Jeb & Trump. While they're all chasing these three, I wouldn't be surprised if someone or ones slowly started to make progress and gain support while the big three are busy making headlines. Where ever the next president comes from, I don't want him or her to be an insider. It's time for new blood. We need someone willing to break the hold of cronyism that's destroying us.
Cindie
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Trump is a conservative that is against gun control.
If you support an assault weapon ban, then yes virginia, you are a gun grabber.
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As for knowledge of the Constitution, the founders wrote it in plain language to be understood by the common man. All you have to do is read it. And there are plenty of Constitutional scholars (Mark Levine comes to mind) who would be honored to be an adviser to any one of these candidates should they become president. But it stands as simple and near perfect as a governing document could ever be. It's people, mostly the political class, who have twisted it to mean things it doesn't. As it's not taught in schools (or taught as if it were a liberal permission slip to rape the country), the general public buys much of what they're told because they believe people in their government are experts. The intention of the founders was that "We the People" ALL of us become experts.
BTW, Hillsdale College has several excellent free courses on the Constitution, taught by the professors who teach it to their students and containing the same content their students have to learn to graduate. I wish they would've had them when we were homeschooling.
Cindie
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As for knowledge of the Constitution, the founders wrote it in plain language to be understood by the common man. All you have to do is read it. And there are plenty of Constitutional scholars (Mark Levine comes to mind) who would be honored to be an adviser to any one of these candidates should they become president. But it stands as simple and near perfect as a governing document could ever be. It's people, mostly the political class, who have twisted it to mean things it doesn't. As it's not taught in schools (or taught as if it were a liberal permission slip to rape the country), the general public buys much of what they're told because they believe people in their government are experts. The intention of the founders was that "We the People" ALL of us become experts.
BTW, Hillsdale College has several excellent free courses on the Constitution, taught by the professors who teach it to their students and containing the same content their students have to learn to graduate. I wish they would've had them when we were homeschooling.
Cindie
"We the People" ARE the government...many seem to have lost sight of that, including many of our elected officials including our president. Our elected officials and our president work for US we don't work for them. Not adhering to the Constitution and deviating from the intent of the founders is why we are in this mess.
I don't believe that knowledge of our Constitution was written simply nor does one acquire a deep understanding of the Constitution without spending some amount of time to go through the document to clearly understand what was written and what was intended. The "intent" of the Constitution has been questioned numerous times since it has been written. The Constitution is the law of our land. To become president and to reside over this land, I feel that at the very least of qualifications needed would be to have considerable knowledge of the Constitution and command of how each of the three branches of government works.
The Constitution is very specific and unfortunately, "We the People' have wrongly assumed that those in government know and will uphold the Constitution. Trump, Carson,and Fiorina lack in that knowledge. As far as I can tell and the research I have done, there are only 2 candidates with a deep understanding and respect of our Constitution; Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. Other candidates due to being governors, senators have experience in dealing with Constitutional issues because of positions held.
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"We the People" ARE the government...many seem to have lost sight of that, including many of our elected officials including our president. Our elected officials and our president work for US we don't work for them. Not adhering to the Constitution and deviating from the intent of the founders is why we are in this mess.
I don't believe that knowledge of our Constitution was written simply nor does one acquire a deep understanding of the Constitution without spending some amount of time to go through the document to clearly understand what was written and what was intended. The "intent" of the Constitution has been questioned numerous times since it has been written. The Constitution is the law of our land. To become president and to reside over this land, I feel that at the very least of qualifications needed would be to have considerable knowledge of the Constitution and command of how each of the three branches of government works.
The Constitution is very specific and unfortunately, "We the People' have wrongly assumed that those in government know and will uphold the Constitution. Trump, Carson,and Fiorina lack in that knowledge. As far as I can tell and the research I have done, there are only 2 candidates with a deep understanding and respect of our Constitution; Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. Other candidates due to being governors, senators have experience in dealing with Constitutional issues because of positions held.
Gerald Ford
Bob Dole
John McCain
Mitt Romney
They all met your set of qualifications for what makes a good President.
How'd that work out for them?
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"We the People" ARE the government...many seem to have lost sight of that, including many of our elected officials including our president. Our elected officials and our president work for US we don't work for them. Not adhering to the Constitution and deviating from the intent of the founders is why we are in this mess.
And that's exactly why it's time to stop doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. That's the definition of insanity. The Founders expected that citizens, not a bunch of entrenched political elites, would actually understand that "We the People" meant US.
I don't believe that knowledge of our Constitution was written simply nor does one acquire a deep understanding of the Constitution without spending some amount of time to go through the document to clearly understand what was written and what was intended. The "intent" of the Constitution has been questioned numerous times since it has been written. The Constitution is the law of our land. To become president and to reside over this land, I feel that at the very least of qualifications needed would be to have considerable knowledge of the Constitution and command of how each of the three branches of government works.
The original document is only 4 pages long and under 5000 words. Catcher in the Rye is harder to understand and it's read by angst ridden high school students in their English classes. Literature is meant to be interpreted, the Constitution is not. It's written simply ON PURPOSE, so the common man, you and I, can have the same understanding as those we send to represent us. The best way to understand any document, be it a contract or literature is to reread it as many times as it takes to grasp it. It's a great disservice to ourselves and our country to just assume we can't understand our founding document(s) or how the government should work. The three branches of government and their powers are clearly laid out in the first 3 articles of the Constitution.
People believing they need someone to interpret the Founders "intent" is crap and a huge reason why we're now in such terrible shape. Had they intended something else, they would've written something else. Their in depth thought processes and reasoning can be found in the Federalist Papers. They also aid in our understanding. The powers that be have (successfully, evidently) tried to convince the masses that a document written in plain language is too difficult for us poor rubes in flyover country. Thus, we need our precious elites to interpret it for us. That's how they maintain their status quo. They aren't any wiser than we are.
The Constitution is very specific and unfortunately, "We the People' have wrongly assumed that those in government know and will uphold the Constitution. Trump, Carson,and Fiorina lack in that knowledge. As far as I can tell and the research I have done, there are only 2 candidates with a deep understanding and respect of our Constitution; Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. Other candidates due to being governors, senators have experience in dealing with Constitutional issues because of positions held.
You just refuted your own argument. The Constitution IS very specific, that's why you don't need anyone else to interpret it. Assuming those in government "know and will uphold" the Constitution without knowing what is and isn't Constitutional and what they can and cannot do is like handing your bank card and the keys to your new car to your teenager and telling him to have a good time without setting any ground rules. Except politicians are very susceptible to corruption, especially those who refuse to leave long after their expiration date. Money and power are hard to resist. Too much power corrupts. Besides, how have any of our political overlords served us? What "interpretation of their intent" have they applied that does little more than help them? I can't think of one thing.
Honestly, the Constitution can seem daunting but it's not as difficult as you think. Take one of the free internet courses offered by Hillsdale College. It's self-paced and taught by professors who teach government and the Constitution. The students are required to take these courses before they can graduate. It's the exact materials they use in their classrooms and the videos aren't boring at all. Read some of Mark Levin's books. His knowledge of the Constitution is encyclopedic.
I'm curious about the research you've done. What was it that convinced you that people outside of the government aren't qualified? Trump (who isn't my first choice by any means) was exactly right about the 14th Amendment. All these supposed expert politicians currently serving and people who call themselves scholars opining on television have it wrong. Like many of us, they've fallen victim to what we all assume is common knowledge. We've been scammed by people who deliberately "interpreted" it wrong.
Government runs like a giant corporation. States run like a smaller corporation. So both types of jobs require the same skills. Whether they're qualified in other ways (temperament, leadership qualities, etc.) remains to be seen and it's why they're campaigning. As I've said before, part of being a good leader is the ability to choose knowledgeable & competent people to serve in areas they know well. Trump choosing Jeff Sessions to help craft his immigration policy is an example of that kind of leadership. Personally, my first choice is Ted Cruz because he's proven to be honest, uncorruptible and unwilling to compromise his personal values and the will of his constituents just because it's easier.
Somewhere along the way "We the People" have become lazy about understanding our rights, our Constitution and how our government works. It's our responsibility as citizens. As Ben Franklin so succinctly put it when asked when asked what kind of government we have, "A republic, if you can keep it." The founders must be rolling over in their graves.
Cindie
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Gerald Ford
Bob Dole
John McCain
Mitt Romney
They all met your set of qualifications for what makes a good President.
How'd that work out for them?
Certainly and quite obviously, there are other qualifications I feel that are needed to be president; I only suggested what I felt is an important one. I guess you should get a "gold star" for your efforts in defending candidates who have little knowledge about the Constitution with no political experience running our country. I'd rather see someone with a deep knowledge and respect for the Constitution with some political experience rather than someone with little knowledge of the Constitution and in need of on the job training. My opinion hasn't changed and nor has yours.
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Gerald Ford
Bob Dole
John McCain
Mitt Romney
They all met your set of qualifications for what makes a good President.
How'd that work out for them?
Certainly and quite obviously, there are other qualifications I feel that are needed to be president; I only suggested what I felt is an important one. I guess you should get a "gold star" for your efforts in defending candidates who have little knowledge about the Constitution with no political experience running our country. I'd rather see someone with a deep knowledge and respect for the Constitution with some political experience rather than someone with little knowledge of the Constitution and in need of on the job training. My opinion hasn't changed and nor has yours.
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Honestly, the Constitution can seem daunting but it's not as difficult as you think. Take one of the free internet courses offered by Hillsdale College. It's self-paced and taught by professors who teach government and the Constitution. The students are required to take these courses before they can graduate. It's the exact materials they use in their classrooms and the videos aren't boring at all. Read some of Mark Levin's books. His knowledge of the Constitution is encyclopedic.
So if I am understanding you properly, a community organizer who was purported to be a "Constitutional Professor", but who turned out to be a part time adjunct professor, with no expertise or real experience in constitutional law...wasn't a very impressive candidate for US Senator or President as advertised ?
Speaking of Mark Levin, and reading his books...Big Dog founded the CC traveling library with "Liberty and Tyranny" by Mark Levin.
I think I started a book report thread about it.
Anyway, if anyone wants to take delilahmused's advice and wants that book, let me know.
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Quote from delilahmused...
So if I am understanding you properly, a community organizer who was purported to be a "Constitutional Professor", but who turned out to be a part time adjunct professor, with no expertise or real experience in constitutional law...wasn't a very impressive candidate for US Senator or President as advertised ?
Speaking of Mark Levin, and reading his books...Big Dog founded the CC traveling library with "Liberty and Tyranny" by Mark Levin.
I think I started a book report thread about it.
Anyway, if anyone wants to take delilahmused's advice and wants that book, let me know.
That was exactly my point. On paper 0bama fits the exact criteria of someone who's been in government and knows what's going on and how it works. If we expect the political elites to run things because they know better or understand the Constitution better than we do then we better be prepared for more elites telling us what is/isn't in the Constitution and what it does or doesn't mean. We should all know it and understand it. We studied it when my youngest son was 12. He grasped it quite easily. You can find children's books with a good basic overview. Of course there will be disputes and that's what the SCOTUS is for. But it wouldn't have been as bastardized as it is now had "We the People" had read our Constitution and paid more attention to what they were doing.
Cindie
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I can understand why Trump has some appeal -- he's the guy throwing the bird to the professional politicians because we, the voters, have allowed these assholes to stack the deck in their favor to the point that we have no voice any more -- or a much reduced voice.
He sounds good and for those who are sick of business as usual he makes some measure of sense. But, in the end, I simply have no confidence in Trump to fix much of anything. He's not a conservative, his stance on 2A is bullshit, and he has absolutely zero diplomatic experience (not that he could POSSIBLY screw up more than Barry and his sycophants).
I just see Trump as a loudmouth braggart with no substance. No plan, no ideas, just mouth. :shrug:
I decided to read his book Making America Great Again, which was written in 2011. I liked, nay LOVED, what I'd heard from him and since I never watched him on Apprentice I didn't know much about him as a person except yeah, he's got a big mouth. But in reading what he wrote 4 years ago, I've been happily surprised. He does lay out some ideas in greater detail. My husband said the other day that Trump talks alot of sense but it's so unreal that HE is the one running. I think many people have been looking for a career politician to have the cojones to speak the truth and yet it took someone totally unconventional and out of left field (pardon the pun). He resonates with many people simply because for once we aren't hearing some mealy mouthed political hack (okay, piece of shit) spout platitudes and garbage while the country keeps collapsing around them. I do really admire Ted Cruz, Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina out of the field along with Donald Trump, and the significant difference to them is they tend to shoot straight and in Trump's case take no prisoners. Also, they aren't career buttkissing politicians and Cruz (Paul too for that matter) actually stood up for what they believed in on the Senate floor with no help from Agent Orange Boehner or Sniveling Bitch McConnell.
For better or worse, Trump is thus far Teflon coated like we haven't seen since Slick Willie weaseled his way out of countless rape allegations, perjury, and slimy associations. And no one has accused Trump, that I know of, of being a rapist. Yeah, he's changed his stand on issues. I have as well. Most people I know have. Above all, he doesn't seem like the type of person to suffer fools at all, let alone gladly. God knows we've been cursed with some of the biggest fools to ever set foot in the White House these past decades.
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I decided to read his book Making America Great Again, which was written in 2011. I liked, nay LOVED, what I'd heard from him and since I never watched him on Apprentice I didn't know much about him as a person except yeah, he's got a big mouth. But in reading what he wrote 4 years ago, I've been happily surprised. He does lay out some ideas in greater detail. My husband said the other day that Trump talks alot of sense but it's so unreal that HE is the one running. I think many people have been looking for a career politician to have the cojones to speak the truth and yet it took someone totally unconventional and out of left field (pardon the pun). He resonates with many people simply because for once we aren't hearing some mealy mouthed political hack (okay, piece of shit) spout platitudes and garbage while the country keeps collapsing around them. I do really admire Ted Cruz, Ben Carson and Carly Fiorina out of the field along with Donald Trump, and the significant difference to them is they tend to shoot straight and in Trump's case take no prisoners. Also, they aren't career buttkissing politicians and Cruz (Paul too for that matter) actually stood up for what they believed in on the Senate floor with no help from Agent Orange Boehner or Sniveling Bitch McConnell.
For better or worse, Trump is thus far Teflon coated like we haven't seen since Slick Willie weaseled his way out of countless rape allegations, perjury, and slimy associations. And no one has accused Trump, that I know of, of being a rapist. Yeah, he's changed his stand on issues. I have as well. Most people I know have. Above all, he doesn't seem like the type of person to suffer fools at all, let alone gladly. God knows we've been cursed with some of the biggest fools to ever set foot in the White House these past decades.
I note with some interest that Trump didn't have somebody write the book for him (unless they ghost-wrote the book, unacknowledged, which is certainly possible).
I will give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.
I'm still betting on Cruz, who appears to be a far better statesman than Trump even thought of being. There is still room for civility in our chief executive. We don't need another snide, sniveling shitbird in the WH. Had enough of that.
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I note with some interest that Trump didn't have somebody write the book for him (unless they ghost-wrote the book, unacknowledged, which is certainly possible).
I will give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.
I'm still betting on Cruz, who appears to be a far better statesman than Trump even thought of being. There is still room for civility in our chief executive. We don't need another snide, sniveling shitbird in the WH. Had enough of that.
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For better or worse, Trump is thus far Teflon coated like we haven't seen since Slick Willie weaseled his way out of countless rape allegations, perjury, and slimy associations. And no one has accused Trump, that I know of, of being a rapist. Yeah, he's changed his stand on issues. I have as well. Most people I know have. Above all, he doesn't seem like the type of person to suffer fools at all, let alone gladly. God knows we've been cursed with some of the biggest fools to ever set foot in the White House these past decades.
The media did try to slander, slime, defame, and otherwise libel the Donald by digging up an old allegation of marital rape.
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The media did try to slander, slime, defame, and otherwise libel the Donald by digging up an old allegation of marital rape.
The sad thing is that it's probably Rove and/or the RNC feeding the media those stories.
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I note with some interest that Trump didn't have somebody write the book for him (unless they ghost-wrote the book, unacknowledged, which is certainly possible).
I will give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.
I'm still betting on Cruz, who appears to be a far better statesman than Trump even thought of being. There is still room for civility in our chief executive. We don't need another snide, sniveling shitbird in the WH. Had enough of that.
I doubt Trump had all his books ghost written, for the simple reason that some of the titles have his name WITH another named collaborator. However, the two books I'm reading of his were apparently written by him.
I don't know, Eupher, civility hasn't gotten the Republican party very far. Cruz, and I admire the hell out of him, btw, couldn't make those cowardly Senators we elected to defend the Constitution do anything except clutch their pearls and scold him hysterically for upsetting Obama and the Democrats. Personally, I'd really like to see a Trump/Cruz ticket, or one with Fiorina on it, maybe Ben Carson. I can't forget Rubio working with the Dems and other Republicans to grant defacto amnesty to illegals. I heard his reasoning behind it and it is less than impressive. I think he said something along the lines of we have to pass immigration reform (a pass to illegal entrants to this country as far as I'm concerned) because otherwise no future president would be able to withstand the political firestorm of deporting them. Looks like Trump doesn't care at all about political firestorms and that's just downright refreshing to observe.
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The media did try to slander, slime, defame, and otherwise libel the Donald by digging up an old allegation of marital rape.
Didn't know that, obumazombie, but I think divorces can be nasty and brutal and truly outrageous charges get thrown around all the time. The media sure loves to investigate red herrings as long as they're hunting conservative hide (like allegations thrown at John Bolton by his ex of marital rape IIRC) BUT they can't be shamed into actually digging for the truth of stuff like hiding the criminal negligence of Obama, Clinton and Panetta when they left those Americans to die at the hands of Islamic terrorists and compounded it by LYING about the cause. Which reminds me, has anyone ever found out WHERE and WHAT Obama was doing that fateful night?
It's impossible for me to believe anyone on either side of the aisle except Clinton could ever hope to follow in this guy's possibly criminal and definitely callous, reckless and ignorant footsteps.
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The sad thing is that it's probably Rove and/or the RNC feeding the media those stories.
That would not surprise me; you could include Krawhammer and O'Reilly on that list. Many of the O's guests are sickening.
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I doubt Trump had all his books ghost written, for the simple reason that some of the titles have his name WITH another named collaborator. However, the two books I'm reading of his were apparently written by him.
I don't know, Eupher, civility hasn't gotten the Republican party very far. Cruz, and I admire the hell out of him, btw, couldn't make those cowardly Senators we elected to defend the Constitution do anything except clutch their pearls and scold him hysterically for upsetting Obama and the Democrats. Personally, I'd really like to see a Trump/Cruz ticket, or one with Fiorina on it, maybe Ben Carson. I can't forget Rubio working with the Dems and other Republicans to grant defacto amnesty to illegals. I heard his reasoning behind it and it is less than impressive. I think he said something along the lines of we have to pass immigration reform (a pass to illegal entrants to this country as far as I'm concerned) because otherwise no future president would be able to withstand the political firestorm of deporting them. Looks like Trump doesn't care at all about political firestorms and that's just downright refreshing to observe.
I've commented elsewhere on my opinions regarding Trump, therefore I won't go into them in detail here, but I certainly understand how a lot of pissed-off conservatives can look at Trump telling the ****tards in the majority gigs in Congress to pound sand up their asses. It does sound and look good to see that. And Rubio -- yeah, I'm afraid his Cuban angle revealed his true perspective on illegal immigration.
I just can't take Trump seriously. Never could. He's a sideshow entertainer with enough money in his pocket to tell all of 'em to **** off and there's not a damn thing they can say.
That doesn't spell president to me. But, I did take note of his book and while he needs my money like he needs Ivana, I am watching him carefully.
Regarding civility -- the problem isn't that there's too much of it or that it was misplaced, the problem is the backstabbing shitsticks in Boner and McCocknose that have told all of us that our votes were utterly wasted on them.
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Regarding civility -- the problem isn't that there's too much of it or that it was misplaced, the problem is the backstabbing shitsticks in Boner and McCocknose that have told all of us that our votes were utterly wasted on them.
This is what pushed me over the edge in Nov.
As I have said I have voted in every election since I was 18, this time I will vote third party or may even sit out. So it may get Hillary in, so what exactly is the difference between her and say Bush anyway? We will be screwed no matter with a raging RINO!
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This is what pushed me over the edge in Nov.
As I have said I have voted in every election since I was 18, this time I will vote third party or may even sit out. So it may get Hillary in, so what exactly is the difference between her and say Bush anyway? We will be screwed no matter with a raging RINO!
Then we have an obligation to make sure Bush isn't the nominee. Bush may have the majority of the funding but money does not follow you and I into the voting booth. The media has decided Bush is our candidate but they don't follow us into the booth either. If we end up with ANY RINO, then we only have ourselves to blame. The establishment is using the same strategy they've used the last couple of cycles: sit back, watch us kill off our good, solid conservative candidates and break into angry little factions who refuse to support the "other" principled conservative because they beat the candidate you were supporting. And even though this candidate is about 250% times better than Bush or anyone the left will run, he's just so darn icky on this ONE issue. Half the base is working hard to keep this candidate in the game and the other half is pouting in the corner. In swoops the RINO with all of his money while the decent candidate, the one who shares 99.9% of our views, is broke and hanging on by the skin of his teeth. It's about this time half the pouters realize what's happening and reengage. By then it's too late.
The only time this strategy didn't work was when Reagan won. Considering how serious things are now, I hope we understand that coalescing around Rubio (if he's the last one standing) is better than being stomped on by Bush, that Walker or Cruz is better than supporting a 3rd party candidate, that even if you think Trump is (insert whatever your problem is here), if he keeps his word he's better than Bush by a mile. Trump needs to win over undecided conservatives and gain the trust of primary voters her aren't quite sure about him because he'll need their votes.
Right now Trump, Bush & Clinton are the whole focus of the media. They hover around the rich, famous & connected like a preteen girl chasing the latest pop idol. But other candidates are working hard building support using the same hard work & meet and greet that helped Sarah Palin win the Alaska governorship. For political junkies the primaries started before the 1st candidate declared but the majority in both parties aren't even paying attention beyond the headlines right now.
Cindie
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Who knows if Trump has the stuff to get elected.
What I do know, he has affected a large number of people many of whom are NOT political junkies.
Example; my wife has been talking to Real Estate Agents and bankers, when the subject of the economy comes up, it always gets around to the people running for president. They all agree, Trump has created the tone for 2016. I don't know what party these people are registered with but they do feel as we do about the country's position or lack thereof. Americans are tired of the idiots in Washington in both parties.
If Mitch (I'm really a democrat) McConnell and John (I hate conservatives) Boehner don't get the message, the republicans may elect a republican president but lose control of congress.
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Who knows if Trump has the stuff to get elected.
What I do know, he has affected a large number of people many of whom are NOT political junkies.
Example; my wife has been talking to Real Estate Agents and bankers, when the subject of the economy comes up, it always gets around to the people running for president. They all agree, Trump has created the tone for 2016. I don't know what party these people are registered with but they do feel as we do about the country's position or lack thereof. Americans are tired of the idiots in Washington in both parties.
If Mitch (I'm really a democrat) McConnell and John (I hate conservatives) Boehner don't get the message, the republicans may elect a republican president but lose control of congress.
If Tump becomes President, he will twist arms till they almost break like LBJ did. Bonehead and McC. would follow suit because they are weaklings. .
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If Tump becomes President, he will twist arms till they almost break like LBJ did. Bonehead and McC. would follow suit because they are weaklings. .
Well, I'm not so sure that if Trump becomes president Boehner and McConnell will retain their seats. I think eventually they will be forced out or voted out.
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Well, I'm not so sure that if Trump becomes president Boehner and McConnell will retain their seats. I think eventually they will be forced out or voted out.
Damn, one can only hope. The stupid is strong with those two assholes and their voters, that's for sure.
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If Tump becomes President, he will twist arms till they almost break like LBJ did. Bonehead and McC. would follow suit because they are weaklings. .
Why would you want a president that did that? Usually that means someone who won't compromise and is willing to act extra constitutionally. 0bama may not break arms but the result is the same. Johnson and his arrogance, bone breaking and micromanaging was responsible for the cluster **** Vietnam became and the Great Society which destroyed the black family. I have no use for anyone like that. I don't think Trump would act like a 3rd world dictator. What if something he wanted to do was against the will of the people but he was hell bent on doing it anyway? That near arm breaking instead of listening to the will of the people wouldn't be a good thing. Seriously, too many presidents have wielded power they don't have. I want a Constitutionalist not someone who will be Johnson or 0bama in the opposite direction.
Cindie
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Why would you want a president that did that? Usually that means someone who won't compromise and is willing to act extra constitutionally. 0bama may not break arms but the result is the same. Johnson and his arrogance, bone breaking and micromanaging was responsible for the cluster **** Vietnam became and the Great Society which destroyed the black family. I have no use for anyone like that. I don't think Trump would act like a 3rd world dictator. What if something he wanted to do was against the will of the people but he was hell bent on doing it anyway? That near arm breaking instead of listening to the will of the people wouldn't be a good thing. Seriously, too many presidents have wielded power they don't have. I want a Constitutionalist not someone who will be Johnson or 0bama in the opposite direction.
Cindie
Most if not all politicians are power hungry ego maniacs. The term twisting of arms and breaking bones is CALLED a euphemism. Members of our own party namely Bonehead have punished those that do not agree or vote for his legislation. This is called politics and has been in effect for over a hundred years. I want a president that will follow the constitution on immigration, building a wall, make foreign governments pay for their security, bring back jobs, etc. If he has to twist a few arms, so be it and most Americans want the same. They are tired of the same old, same old...another euphemism.
If this government is not turned around pretty soon, we will default on our debts, people will lose faith in our currency, our morals will go further in the toilet and we will wind up in another war. Like Trump said, he want action rather than tone. Continuing on the same path we are on and you will not have to worry about the Constitution or the flag.
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Most if not all politicians are power hungry ego maniacs. The term twisting of arms and breaking bones is CALLED a euphemism. Members of our own party namely Bonehead have punished those that do not agree or vote for his legislation. This is called politics and has been in effect for over a hundred years. I want a president that will follow the constitution on immigration, building a wall, make foreign governments pay for their security, bring back jobs, etc. If he has to twist a few arms, so be it and most Americans want the same. They are tired of the same old, same old...another euphemism.
If this government is not turned around pretty soon, we will default on our debts, people will lose faith in our currency, our morals will go further in the toilet and we will wind up in another war. Like Trump said, he want action rather than tone. Continuing on the same path we are on and you will not have to worry about the Constitution or the flag.
We might not have to pay up on our debts because they are all held by the Chinese.
And right now there is a good chance they are heading for bankruptcy.
The only problem with that is the Chinese used to be the only country in the world willing to buy our debt.
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We might not have to pay up on our debts because they are all held by the Chinese.
And right now there is a good chance they are heading for bankruptcy.
The only problem with that is the Chinese used to be the only country in the world willing to buy our debt.
We owe Japan over 1 trillion $$....China 1.4 trillion.
I was a golf pro in the late 60's. You could buy a complete top of the line clubs for under $300 here . In Japan, that set cost over $1,000. We are getting hosed by Japan, China, Mexico, etc. Our balance of payments are way out of whack. Also, most of the money being printed is going out of the country. We can not even give Germany all of their gold that was being held for safe storage. Told them we would dish it out in installments. Our gov. is in pathetic shape financially.
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Most if not all politicians are power hungry ego maniacs. The term twisting of arms and breaking bones is CALLED a euphemism. Members of our own party namely Bonehead have punished those that do not agree or vote for his legislation. This is called politics and has been in effect for over a hundred years. I want a president that will follow the constitution on immigration, building a wall, make foreign governments pay for their security, bring back jobs, etc. If he has to twist a few arms, so be it and most Americans want the same. They are tired of the same old, same old...another euphemism.
If this government is not turned around pretty soon, we will default on our debts, people will lose faith in our currency, our morals will go further in the toilet and we will wind up in another war. Like Trump said, he want action rather than tone. Continuing on the same path we are on and you will not have to worry about the Constitution or the flag.
Of course politicians are power hungry. That's why they need to be changed often but that would require term limits and/or a public that pays attention and doesn't just vote for the guy they know.
If you want a president that follows the Constitution then you (or him/her) need to understand the founders created a system with coequal branches of government. He has absolutely no say in who congressional leaders are. We have more influence that he does. The president can do much to stop illegal immigration invasion by following the laws currently on the books. That hasn't been done in decades. Let's see if the laws we already have work before proposing new legislation. A president can follow the current law on day one. Even when the executive and legislative branches agree, they work at a snail's pace. Congress controls the purse strings but the president has the discretion to take all funding away from sanctuary cities.
The president does have leeway to work within the guidelines of the Constitution when it comes to monetary policy. Interest rates, not pumping money with no value into the market, how to spend money he's been given for various branches of government. He can work to streamline departments and find waste and incompetence. He can decide what to fund. Streamlining would allow him to propose a budget that doesn't require the ridiculous amounts various departments need.
Every congressman wants to be able to say they cut taxes and they'd look like idiots if they gave the president more than he's asking for. 0bama is going over the heads of congress but arm twisting (which he has barely done) tends to make people dig in their heels. It's human nature. He has a bully pulpit to show Americans what amounts he's cutting and why. Millions of Americans calling their senators and congressmen have a much greater chance of affecting legislation than arm twisting. They all want to be reelected.
I don't know how much power a president has to change morality through policy. Gay marriage is the law of the land and making it illegal again would probably be a fool's errand. While he can choose to not fund PP or force employers to pay for birth control most of these kinds of issues aren't at the top of most people's list at this time. Reversing 0bamacare, current illegal executive orders, not being a foreign policy pansy are crucial. Certainly, he should address social issues but these are issues that not only have to go through congress but will be tied up in SCOTUS for a very long time. On these issues you cannot twist dems arms and as of right now nothing can be passed without their support. Given how ineffective this congress has been, it's a crap shoot whether people will vote to have them in charge. It's a fact that while congress parrots "the American people want us to work together", Americans like gridlock. That's what they thought they were getting when they gave reps control of both houses.
Of course the president should use his power to persuade congress but his ability to go directly to the public is a very powerful tool. Start burning up congressional phone lines and email and their instinct for self preservation kicks in. One of the most important things a presidsoment can do is choose to not be influenced by big money and corporations. He can decided "pay for play" will not be a part of his administration. He can choose to not appoint someone to a key post just because they donated money to his presidency. He can choose not to make the executive branch a revolving door for special interests. He can choose who gets government contracts. If a president used the power he currently has to follow laws that have been ignored and keep special interests from having sole influence on him, he'll go a long way towards getting the country back on track.
You'll notice I was not at all hostile to you but engaged you in a worthy conversation. I'd appreciate it if you'd do the same. It would go a long way to reverse some of the hostility people here have for you.
Cindie
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Of course the president should use his power to persuade congress but his ability to go directly to the public is a very powerful tool. Start burning up congressional phone lines and email and their instinct for self preservation kicks in. One of the most important things a presidsoment can do is choose to not be influenced by big money and corporations. He can decided "pay for play" will not be a part of his administration. He can choose to not appoint someone to a key post just because they donated money to his presidency. He can choose not to make the executive branch a revolving door for special interests. He can choose who gets government contracts. If a president used the power he currently has to follow laws that have been ignored and keep special interests from having sole influence on him, he'll go a long way towards getting the country back on track.
Cindie
Of course the president should use his power to persuade congress but his ability to go directly to the public is a very powerful tool. Start burning up congressional phone lines and email and their instinct for self preservation kicks in. One of the most important things a presidsoment can do is choose to not be influenced by big money and corporations. He can decided "pay for play" will not be a part of his administration. He can choose to not appoint someone to a key post just because they donated money to his presidency. He can choose not to make the executive branch a revolving door for special interests. He can choose who gets government contracts. If a president used the power he currently has to follow laws that have been ignored and keep special interests from having sole influence on him, he'll go a long way towards getting the country back on track.
Cindie, this is one of, if not the most, appealing aspects of Donald Trump's campaign for me. He is a brash, egotistical dynamo of a man, and the idea of him kowtowing to any special interest group seems laughable. He's probably the only candidate who would go into the presidency and come out poorer at the end. He's already got tons of power with his billions and his future earning potential, but he strikes me (and possibly others) as someone who is genuinely revolted by politics as usual.
I can't really explain WHY he's struck such a nerve with me, and obviously other R voters, but he has. Maybe because he seems uber authentic. :shrug: All I know is that, although my state never gets a real sayso in the primary process, I'm casting my vote for America, and the person who I view as most likely to DO something in her best interests. And, should Trump beat the establishment RINO machine, he can probably beat Iran, China and Mexico.
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this is one of, if not the most, appealing aspects of Donald Trump's campaign for me. He is a brash, egotistical dynamo of a man, and the idea of him kowtowing to any special interest group seems laughable. He's probably the only candidate who would go into the presidency and come out poorer at the end. He's already got tons of power with his billions and his future earning potential, but he strikes me (and possibly others) as someone who is genuinely revolted by politics as usual.
I can't really explain WHY he's struck such a nerve with me, and obviously other R voters, but he has. Maybe because he seems uber authentic. :shrug: All I know is that, although my state never gets a real sayso in the primary process, I'm casting my vote for America, and the person who I view as most likely to DO something in her best interests. And, should Trump beat the establishment RINO machine, he can probably beat Iran, China and Mexico.
I feel the same way. I like Cruz and Carson but they are too mild mannered for my taste. I want someone that will kick the Repub Rinos in the balls to get things accomplished.
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You'll notice I was not at all hostile to you but engaged you in a worthy conversation. I'd appreciate it if you'd do the same. It would go a long way to reverse some of the hostility people here have for you.
Cindie
I will reciprocate provided personal attack and the F. word are not used against me. People like Eupher and Banned from DU are the only two jerks that show hostility. Those that do get it back in spades. I enjoy a good debate.
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I will reciprocate provided personal attack and the F. word are not used against me. People like Eupher and Banned from DU are the only two jerks that show hostility. Those that do get it back in spades. I enjoy a good debate.
One good jerk deserves another.
I'm so glad I'm occupying space in your head. At least something is there! :-)
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One good jerk deserves another.
I'm so glad I'm occupying space in your head. At least something is there! :-)
Maybe for 2 seconds. :-)
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Trump is exactly what America needs... a politician who can't be bought and who is straight up, doesn't hide his motivations and is outside of the same-old fake political sideshow that we see every year. He is shaking things up and speaking his mind, it's time for a president who is real!
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And no matter how much all these pansies whine... they can try as hard as they might, cry all they want... but there is one thing they cannot do... THEY CAN'T DUMP THE TRUMP!
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Never underestimate the ignorance of a zombie for owebuma.
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Maybe for 2 seconds. :-)
Two seconds is sometimes an eternity. :whistling:
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Two seconds is sometimes an eternity. :whistling:
Said Moochelle last time Barry jumped her.
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Said Moochelle last time Barry jumped her.
Do you really think she lets him? I'm not sure he can get it up with her.
Cindie
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And no matter how much all these pansies whine... they can try as hard as they might, cry all they want... but there is one thing they cannot do... THEY CAN'T DUMP THE TRUMP!
Oh, honey, you need to do a much better job trolling. This isn't pretty!
Cindie
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Do you really think she lets him? I'm not sure he can get it up with her.
Cindie
Ugly calls to ugly. They probably relish the reverse role play, ya know, he's the she and she's the he. Her biceps are more awesome than his and her balls are most likely bigger as well.
On second thought, maybe that's why no one's seen Bo lately...he saw something something going on in the First Bedroom and is now roaming as a mentally wiped stray somewhere on the mean streets of DC. :p
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Oh, honey, you need to do a much better job trolling. This isn't pretty!
Cindie
A chump for Trump, leg-humping the Trump. It takes all kinds...
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Ugly calls to ugly. They probably relish the reverse role play, ya know, he's the she and she's the he. Her biceps are more awesome than his and her balls are most likely bigger as well.
On second thought, maybe that's why no one's seen Bo lately...he saw something something going on in the First Bedroom and is now roaming as a mentally wiped stray somewhere on the mean streets of DC. :p
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