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DUmmies Discuss Capitalism - Decide Maoism Is Better
« on: July 10, 2009, 09:46:04 PM »
DUmmies are still very upset that Zaleya, the Honduran discount version of their favorite tinpot dictator, Hugo Chavez, has been deposed:

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Orwellian_Ghost (1000+ posts)        Fri Jul-10-09 09:26 PM
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Honduran Coup: Damning Indictment of Capitalism 

by Dennis Rahkonen / July 10th, 2009

Since he’s spending his summer vacation at our home, I recently washed my 11-year-old grandson’s dirty clothes. As I later folded them, small tags told me they were manufactured in the Philippines, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Guatemala, and Honduras.

Not one item bore a “Made in USA” label, which is very sad, considering that the unionized needle trades were once a bastion of our country’s labor movement, and that finding attire produced overseas was a rarity just a few decades ago.

All this relates closely to the despicable coup that deposed Honduras’ democratically elected president, Manuel Zaleya.

Although the coup’s initiators say they were motivated by other factors, what really spurred their reactionary ire was Zaleya promoting better pay and conditions for Honduran workers in general, but particularly for the virtual sweatshop slaves whose cruel exploitation by mostly U.S. garment firms has been an utterly obscene profit generator for shameless owners residing in luxury in the North.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6037566

First, DUmmy Ken Burch (fister reincarnation?) chimes in with a really stupid comment:
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Ken Burch  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jul-10-09 09:58 PM
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10. They probably plan to do the same thing here if Dennis or Bernie is ever president
And they'll say "The Congress and the Supreme Court ordered it".


DUmmy scarletwoman posts more of the original article, since she isn't nearly literate enough to write anything on her own:
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scarletwoman  (1000+ posts)      Fri Jul-10-09 09:36 PM
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3. Excellent piece -- thank you for posting it.

blah, blah

Our nation’s anti-democratic, imperialist role in Central America is nothing new.

Countless religious activists, teachers, clinic workers, union organizers, and ordinary campesinos were brutalized by sordid contras secretly armed and trained by the U.S. under illegal Reagan administration aegis during the ’80s.

blah, blah

As its growing resort to super-exploitation, dictatorial harshness, violence and war clearly proves, capitalism is the intrinsic enemy — not the ballyhooed champion — of fair play, democracy, simple decency, and peace.

A Lousy Freeper Troll joins in, probably burning his mole:
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paulsby (1000+ posts)      Fri Jul-10-09 09:40 PM
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4. utter crap
"capitalism is the intrinsic enemy — not the ballyhooed champion — of fair play, democracy, simple decency, and peace. (my bold)"
but nice to see the anti-capitalist forces are alive and well in spewing this sort of rhetoric.


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scarletwoman  (1000+ posts)      Fri Jul-10-09 09:57 PM
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9. You know what? **** YOU.
I'm sure this will get deleted, but I don't care. You're a right wing asshole.

Capitalism is KILLING this planet. Exploiting people and resources for the enrichment of the few (PROFITS!) is the most morally bankrupt system ever devised. The creation of a wealthy overclass that oppresses whole populations and murders at will is a travesty and a disaster and no decent human being would defend it.
See what I meant about DUmmy scarletwoman?
 
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paulsby (1000+ posts)      Fri Jul-10-09 09:59 PM
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12. nice cogent, rational, "progressive" response
 and fwiw, supporting capitalism doesn't make one a "right wing" anything. the democratic party supports capitalism. democrats disagree with repubs over aspects OF capitalism, but both correctly support capitalism. i am a decent human being, and i defend capitalism because it is the best hope for mankind and has greatly benefited mankind.


DUmmy Ken Burch can't resist making another really stupid comment:
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Ken Burch  (1000+ posts)        Fri Jul-10-09 10:00 PM
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13. capitalism wasn't very supportive of democracy, fair play, simple decency and peace HERE, my friend
Not since 1980, for damn sure. Not very often before that.

You might as well face it, the market is NOT on your side.

We need to design a humane, democratic alternative. And we, the people, are fully capable of doing that.

We should have the say.





 

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Capitalism - Decide Maoism Is Better
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2009, 10:07:38 PM »
Oh, good Lord!  What now?  Capitalism was Suppose to stay on our shores?  It wasn't suppose to be spread around?

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Capitalism - Decide Maoism Is Better
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2009, 10:48:13 PM »
Capitalism really has jack to do with democracy.  They work in concert at times, but also there is a fundamental tension.  You can have a Capitalist economy and an oligarchic, monarchist, or totalitariam political system, the same as you can have a democracy that follows a full social-welfare planned economy model.  It's an apples and oranges construct.   
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Capitalism - Decide Maoism Is Better
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2009, 10:50:16 PM »
Capitalism really has jack to do with democracy.  They work in concert at times, but also there is a fundamental tension.  You can have a Capitalist economy and an oligarchic, monarchist, or totalitariam political system, the same as you can have a democracy that follows a full social-welfare planned economy model.  It's an apples and oranges construct.   
China has a capitalist economy with a ten-percent annual growth, and they still haul people off to prison to make bricks for ten years if they speak out against the State.
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Capitalism - Decide Maoism Is Better
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2009, 12:29:13 AM »
You want to see people exploited?

go to a communist country

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Capitalism - Decide Maoism Is Better
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2009, 12:32:44 AM »
You want to see people exploited?

go to a communist country

Gots news for you:  come Christmas RamaHaunaQwansMas, we're likely going to BE a communist country.  The evidence is in, we're already a socialist "utopia"...
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Capitalism - Decide Maoism Is Better
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2009, 12:56:02 AM »
I am going back to fiction. Real life is getting scary.

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Capitalism - Decide Maoism Is Better
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2009, 04:38:46 PM »
I used to automate textile equipment throughout california.  Then a draconian environmental regulation from unelected commissars came into force in 2000.  This effectively made all the textile mfgs cease production or face huge fines and:

1. Spend millions to update perfectly good equipment ....THAT met the EPA standards.

2. Spend millions to move their business to other more friendly areas.

3. Quit.

That boys and girls is why the fifth largest textile economy (cali) ceased to make anything but boutique cloth.

Nothing at all to do with greedy CEOs and everything to do with greedy watermelons (green on the outside, red on the inside).
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Re: DUmmies Discuss Capitalism - Decide Maoism Is Better
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2009, 05:46:29 PM »
That boys and girls is why the fifth largest textile economy (cali) ceased to make anything but boutique cloth.

Nothing at all to do with greedy CEOs and everything to do with greedy watermelons (green on the outside, red on the inside).

yup. but leftists do not grasp the connection

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Capitalism - Decide Maoism Is Better
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2009, 07:06:10 PM »
Paulsby's been around awhile, posting reasonable things.  Still not dead yet. 

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Re: DUmmies Discuss Capitalism - Decide Maoism Is Better
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2009, 07:31:56 PM »
They have no economic sense or understanding.
"Capitalism" is just a bogyman word to them that is equated with the supposed unfairness of life not giving them all they want for free or without effort.

It is nothing more then an imagined Grinch stealing Christmas from them.