primitives discuss guns

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Oh my.

armyowalgreens  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-07-09 04:56 AM
Original message

Poll question: Poll: I feel safer with a "cocked and locked" firearm in my home.

On Edit: I'm attempting to judge the reassuring effect of having a loaded firearm in ones home

Poll result (77 votes) 

Yes   (31 votes, 40%)
No (please explain)  (43 votes, 56%) 
Other (please explain)  (3 votes, 4%)

MrModerate  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-07-09 05:01 AM
Response to Original message
 
1. How about "I don't allow guns in my house and that makes me feel safer" ?

armyowalgreens  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-07-09 05:02 AM
Response to Reply #1

2. That would fall under "Other"...

And it's a perfectly okay position to take.

Staph  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-07-09 05:13 AM
Response to Reply #1
 
4. You and me both.

I don't own a gun, don't want to own a gun -- they scare me.

However, I have some friends who own a Civil War replica cannon. I have fired it. I want one.

MrModerate  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-07-09 05:17 AM
Response to Reply #4
 
6. Similarly, I own a Japanese rifle that my father brought back from WWII . . .

I've never fired it, and I keep it in locked storage offsite, but it's sort of an heirloom

Okay, that sets the tone of the bonfire, which is pretty big, and so hereonafter, I'll just quote the Primitives of Prominence, if any show up.  But before then, a question is finally answered, by obscure unterprimitiven:

eilen  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-07-09 06:24 AM
Response to Original message
 
11. We have guns but they are locked up and I can't even access them.

My dh's hobby is target shooting, it is competitive and he is in a league.....

burrfoot (53 posts)      Tue Jul-07-09 06:56 AM
Response to Reply #11
 
16. What's "dh" ?

eilen  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-07-09 07:13 AM
Response to Reply #16
 
21. dh= dear/damn husband.

Oh.

DrDan  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-07-09 07:15 AM
Response to Reply #16
 
23. "designated hunter" - doesn't hunt herself - has someone do it for her

The smug Canadian primitive:

iverglas (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-07-09 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #23
 
75. yeah, that's consistent
 
with what she ACTUALLY SAID:

Sometimes I wish my dh hunted

... not.

The buzzy one, a non-primitive on Skins's island:

Buzz Clik  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-07-09 06:55 AM
Response to Original message
 
14. Just locked...

The old primitive:

old mark  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-07-09 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #17
 
29. Anyone who DOESN'T keep a loaded firearm around the home is an idiot.

And living in a fantasy world.

Probably has a small dick, too.

old mark  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-07-09 07:52 AM
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28. I have 18 guns in my home, some in a safe, several loaded and accessable. I have had at least one gun in a ready state for decades. I have a license to carry a firearm, and have done so for over 15 years.

I respect the right of people who don't like guns to not have any, and I expect the same in return. Don't see much of it, however.

The primitive who prospered much during the "lousy" Bush economy:

tularetom  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-07-09 08:58 AM
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36. We have a problem with rattlesnakes here

So I keep a single shot .410 ga. shotgun in a cabinet right by the front door. It isn't loaded but there is a box of shells on the shelf right next to it. We used to lock the cabinet when our grandkids came over but they are all pretty much grown up now so we don't bother.

All the rest of the guns are in 3 safes.

iverglas (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-07-09 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #70
 
93. ah, just can't get no satisfaction without that loaded gun.

And they accuse people of making shit up, eh?

iverglas (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-07-09 01:23 PM
Response to Original message
 
69. Nah
 
I wouldn't feel safer.

I'd feel like a moroon.

Or maybe a really stupid dupe of the right wing, whose agenda includes getting me to feel all threatened and unsafe wherever I am, wherever I go ...

iverglas (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-07-09 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #83

87. "At night she gets her Highpoint 995 out of the safe, ...
 
... I get a AR-15 out.

Oh, please. Don't stop now. It's just getting good.

iverglas (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-07-09 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #89
 
92. I do believe you truly understood the comment.

It's dark ... they're alone in the house ... she gets out her gun ... he gets out his gun ... now tell me you aren't feeling that old familiar tingling.

One wonders what the smug Canadian primitive is like, in the sack.

iverglas (1000+ posts)      Wed Jul-08-09 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #103
 
109. c'mon now
 
Both my Loving Wife and I have CCL's. At night she gets her Highpoint 995 out of the safe, I get a AR-15 out. Both have mags in and nothing chambered. The 995 is ugly but will chamber and fire any 9mm I have found, both carry red dot sights. Of course her Commander and my SIG remain available, 24hrs a day.

No kool-aid needed!

My loving wife ... at night ... gets (it) out ... nothing (on) ... (bed) chambered ... her Commander ... available 24 hours a day ...

Just make sure to have a cigarette close by.

iverglas (1000+ posts)      Tue Jul-07-09 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #84
 
88. and you lock them away in some form of reasonably secure storage facility when you leave the house, even for five minutes.

Because if you don't, you know that it's possible someone may break in and steal every last one of them while you're gone.

In fact, given how sure you seem to be that someone's going to try it while you're there, you must be absolutely positive that someone's going to try it someday soon when you're out.

And of course you want to do everything possible to ensure that a firearm of yours isn't used to rob one of your neighbours, or kill a kid standing in the crossfire of a gang shooting, or any other such tragic thing.

Well, not everything possible, of course, but you know.

Actually, it's pretty disappointing, other than the give-and-take between the smug Canadian primitive and the unterprimitiven answering her smuggeries.

[USA4ME]

iverglas

I'd feel like a moroon.

Feel no longer.  You are.

MrModerate

Similarly, I own a Japanese rifle that my father brought back from WWII . . .

I've never fired it, and I keep it in locked storage offsite, but it's sort of an heirloom

While not wishing to pass on information which might inadvertently keep a primitive alive, you don't want to shoot the Jap rifle, dimwit. My Dad brought back a rifle from Japan, too, and given how desperate they were at the end of the war and as a result how poorly constructed the rifle was, I'm not sure I'd have wanted to shoot it when it was brand new.

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[JohnnyReb]

I don't see one for, "Why don't you break into my house and find out."

[Lord Undies]

MrModerate  (1000+ posts)        Tue Jul-07-09 05:01 AM
Response to Original message
 
1. How about "I don't allow guns in my house and that makes me feel safer" ?

This is my policy too, and it saved our lives.  One night, some criminal thugs were going to break in and kill us all.  When they found out about my policy about guns on the premises, well, let's just say they went away very disappointed.  

Maybe next time they will know to bring a baseball bat and knifes.

[Ralph Wiggum]

I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeating I suppose.

I've never fired a gun of any kind in my life.  Hunting was never a part of my family growing up for a number of reasons.  I just never had the opportunity or inclination to go shooting when I was younger.

I lived in one of the most crime-ridden cities of the country for around 10 years.  No weapons in the house.  Felt perfectly safe.  I also lived in a city for 6 years that is frequently a feature location for the show COPS.  Also no weapon, although one of my college roommates kept one for a time.

I've got a couple of good friends now who are Marines.  They've promised they'd take me shooting sometime soon.  I'm kind of looking forward to it.

[DumbAss Tanker]

While not wishing to pass on information which might inadvertently keep a primitive alive, you don't want to shoot the Jap rifle, dimwit. My Dad brought back a rifle from Japan, too, and given how desperate they were at the end of the war and as a result how poorly constructed the rifle was, I'm not sure I'd have wanted to shoot it when it was brand new.

The late-war ones can be quite dangerous, however the pre- and early-war rifles were greatly prized in the years after the war for sporter conversions due to the excellent strength of their Mauser-type actions, without the drawback of the big rear sight ears on the P14/M1917 Enfields.

[Vagabond]

Dad was a cop, a hunter, and a sport shooter.  I have four or five guns around the house, but only a handgun that is maintained in a ready state around the house.  It's time to start teaching my daughter to shoot when I get back.

[The Village Idiot]

Wait... gun is scary but they want a cannon???

[Chris_]

DUmmies are afraid of everything.

[AllosaursRus]

The late-war ones can be quite dangerous, however the pre- and early-war rifles were greatly prized in the years after the war for sporter conversions due to the excellent strength of their Mauser-type actions, without the drawback of the big rear sight ears on the P14/M1917 Enfields.

Yep! My FIL brought back a Jap rifle and we had it re bored and necked to 6.55  or 6.88 x ?. Can't remember exactly. It is probably the most accurate gun for it's calibre at 300 yds that I have ever shot! It is truly amazing! It drops less than 2" in that distance!

[BlueStateSaint]

Yep! My FIL brought back a Jap rifle and we had it re bored and necked to 6.55  or 6.88 x ?. Can't remember exactly. It is probably the most accurate gun for it's calibre at 300 yds that I have ever shot! It is truly amazing! It drops less than 2" in that distance!

It's probably a 6.5x55mm.  A great-uncle of mine brought back a Mauser 98 from Germany, and gave it to my father, who had it rebored to .30-06 and the barrel shortented enough to accept a Mannlicher stock.  (He found a crack in that stock years ago, and never got the new stock on it.)

[Tantal]

The iverglas primitive needs to have her ass kicked about thrice weekly in the parking garage. Might change her mind on armed defense. Thankfully, she's Canadian, so doesn't get to vote here.

[AprilRazz]

Yep! My FIL brought back a Jap rifle and we had it re bored and necked to 6.55  or 6.88 x ?. Can't remember exactly. It is probably the most accurate gun for it's calibre at 300 yds that I have ever shot! It is truly amazing! It drops less than 2" in that distance!

Have an Ariska type 99 with the chrysanthemum. It is in too nice a shape to shoot. But I am still taking it to the range tomorrow.

[GOBUCKS]

It drops less than 2" in that distance!

Please, come on. It is a 6.5 Jap, not a very powerful round at all.

If zeroed at 200 yards with a light bullet, it will be about 10" low at 300. The brass doesn't have enough powder capacity to do better, even if the Jap action could contain it.

[BadCat]

I have a Type 99 (with intact mum) in 7.7x58.

I'd certainly trust it to hit and do some serious damage at 300 yards.

[AprilRazz]

I have a Type 99 (with intact mum) in 7.7x58.

I'd certainly trust it to hit and do some serious damage at 300 yards.

Mine is missing the dust cover and the bipod. I was told that was what they threw away when they were issued them. I am debating finding replacements. It is in beautiful shape so I am guessing that it did not see that much action.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Mine is missing the dust cover and the bipod. I was told that was what they threw away when they were issued them. I am debating finding replacements. It is in beautiful shape so I am guessing that it did not see that much action.

I think I've seen one that I clearly remember actually having the dust cover on it, a carbine length one which odds are was never issued out.  Like the Krag carbine, it was unbelievably heavy for its size.

[Tucker]

The iverglas primitive needs to have her ass kicked about thrice weekly in the parking garage. Might change her mind on armed defense. Thankfully, she's Canadian, so doesn't get to vote here.

I wouldn't bet on it.

BTW. I've had so many disputes with the disbared barrister that I gave up. She is the C word personified.

[AllosaursRus]

Please, come on. It is a 6.5 Jap, not a very powerful round at all.

If zeroed at 200 yards with a light bullet, it will be about 10" low at 300. The brass doesn't have enough powder capacity to do better, even if the Jap action could contain it.

That's the reason it was re-necked for a larger case. The frikkin shells cost nearly $40 bucks for 20 and had to be ordered thru the local smithy and that was in the early 90's! Like I said, it was the most accurate gun at that distance I, I repeat I, have ever had the pleasure to shoot! I have a .243 winchester that is close.

[DumbAss Tanker]

That's the reason it was re-necked for a larger case. The frikkin shells cost nearly $40 bucks for 20 and had to be ordered thru the local smithy and that was in the early 90's! Like I said, it was the most accurate gun at that distance I, I repeat I, have ever had the pleasure to shoot! I have a .243 winchester that is close.

Hmmm, sounds like maybe it was rechambered for 6.5 Swedish.

[AllosaursRus]

Hmmm, sounds like maybe it was rechambered for 6.5 Swedish.

Not sure. My BIL has the gun now. I will try to find out, since I'm being doubted on it's accuracy.

[crockspot]

I keep a Glock 21 under a pillow on my bed, magazine in, slide locked back. Just need to hit the slide release to rock and roll. (also makes a sound second only to the pumping of a 12ga. when the release is hit.) Also have a loaded .357mag in one of those finger operated Gun Vault thingys on the nightstand. The other dozen or so firearms are locked in two safes.

No CCW permit is required in Vermont, so you can carry concealed pretty much anywhere. (I actually had a Utah permit, but I let it expire last year.) But I've never really felt the need to haul one around with me. Everyone is so laid back and friendly, and I'm pretty sure if a gun was required, several people in the vicinity could (and would) produce one.