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primitives try to explain Chappaquiddick
« on: July 22, 2008, 12:44:21 PM »
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givemebackmycountry  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:05 PM
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Little help here....Ted Kennedy and the Chappaquiddick incident.
   
Guy that works for me threw the "Teddy Kennedy should be in jail for the Chappaquiddick incident" line at me tonight.

Lady had a knot on her head, he left her for a day or so before he actually 'fessed up etc...

Can anyone direct me to a place that actually explains what happened that night, so I can shut his ass up?

It's a big bonfire, so only a few primitive comments:

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ryanmuegge  (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:08 PM
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1. He probably should be, but other politicians have done a lot worse.
   
Like the guy that killed thousands of civilians in Iraq. Cheney should be in jail for shooting that dude in the face. Bush should be in jail for insider trading (the Harken incident).

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ColbertWatcher  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:12 PM
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7. Laura Bush should have served time for her car accident, too.

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aspergris  (670 posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:14 PM
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10. Cheney did not commit a crime in the shooting case
   
Hunting accidents are not crimes. Kennedy did commit a crime, and a death resulted.

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ryanmuegge  (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:19 PM
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13. True, but it does seem like a strange accident given the circumstances.
   
But I'm sure if it was intentional, he would have been much smarter and had somebody else do it.

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alyce douglas  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-22-08 08:17 AM
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49. yes, that was the thread I was thinking about could have been a "set up" for Teddy that nite. I wouldn't put anything past these thugs.

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Skittles  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:12 PM
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5. had he not been rich he probably would have gone to jail

his actions following that incident seemed to be with his career in mind and not her welfare

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slackmaster  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-22-08 10:36 AM
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59. He was also very lucky to have the media saturated with coverage of the Apollo 11 moon landing
   
Very strange days indeed.

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DURHAM D  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:58 PM
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28. The truth is this -
   
Ted left the party with a male friend to go back to his hotel room when he ran off the road and into the water.

Ted and his friend got out of the car and managed to swim across to the other side and go on about their business. Mary Jo was asleep in the back seat and Ted didn't know she was in the car. Thus, he did not look for her that night.

Why did Ted (and his lawyers) make up the story about diving for her? It is better to accidentally kill a young woman and to be thought of as an adulterer then for the world to know you are bi-sexual or gay. It was 1969 you know.

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aspergris  (670 posts) Tue Jul-22-08 12:10 AM
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29. I think you are reading way too much into it
   
The CW fact pattern is very believable and matches the physical evidence, the circumstances, etc.

I don't buy the ted didn't know she was in the back seat. Not to mention that he supposedly offered to give her a ride back to (Katama Inn iirc).

I have relatives on Martha's Vineyard and spent many a summer there, fwiw.

I accept that kennedy made a big mistake,a nd there was a good chance he was DUI - that would be the best motivation not to call the cops right away.

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madaboutharry  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:13 PM
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9. I believe that they had been drinking and he was cheating on his wife. He drove into the water and was able to get out of the car. She drowned.

I think it was a horrid accident made worse by his attempt to search for a cover up.

It was ugly and tragic and he was responsible.

There is no way to explain it away.

I also think he has spent the last several decades as the hardest working senator in Washington as a way of repenting.

I think Vast Teddy has been spending the last several decades being the hardest drinking senator in Washington .

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Lex  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:17 PM
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12. Did you ask "HOW IS THIS RELEVANT to what's going on TODAY?"
   
Jesus H. that was 40 years ago.

Is that ALL they got?

And how long ago was it that George Bush's grandfather "financed" the Nazis in Germany?

Jesus H. that was 75 years ago.

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Beacool  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-22-08 02:02 AM
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37. What Teddy did is inexcusable.
   
Accidents do happen, but he let that girl drown without reporting the accident until the following morning. As it turns out, the poor girl was alive in an air pocket for quite a while. She died a terrible death. I sometimes have wondered if Teddy ever thinks of what he did that night and regrets not having gotten help right away. He covered his butt (he was driving drunk), but the ensuing scandal prevented him from ever becoming president.

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midnight  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:29 PM
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21. I'll look for a story for you, but their was something posted here not to long ago about this "Chappaquiddick incident" was a set up to prevent Ted from running for presidency. I believe the information was revield in the watergate tapes. Anyone else who remembers this post please chime in.

I think the key to this mystery is that Nixon had several dirty tricks campaigns in operation. The most important of these was run by H. R. Haldeman and John Ehrlichman. The chief field officer was Tony Ulasewicz. This operation began in March, 1969. Ulasewicz kept a strong control over these activities in order that it remained a completely secret operation. It had to be because Ulasewicz was running a campaign to set up Edward Kennedy in order to ensure he did not stand against Nixon in 1972. It is my belief that Ulasewicz was involved in Chappaquiddick incident.

After Kennedy’s career was ended in 1969, Ulasewicz turned his attention to George Wallace. It was Wallace, rather than Muskie that posed the most threat to Nixon being re-elected.

It was only after the arrest of the Watergate burglars that investigators discovered details of Ulasewicz’s activities (via Jack Caulfield). However, Sam Ervin and his Senate Committee backed off investigating this operation. It was one thing to accuse the president of lying about his knowledge of a break-in of an office, it was something else to suggest that he had given orders that had resulted in the death of a woman and an attempted murder of one of your leading political rivals.http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=3...
http://complete911timeline.org/timeline.jsp ?
timeline=nixon_and_watergate_tmln&nixon_and_watergate_tmln_watergate_campaign_conspiracy=nixon_and_watergate_tmln_illegal_wiretapping___surveillance

Nixon aide John Ehrlichman sends his “on-staff detective,” Jack Caulfield (see April 2, 1969) to the site to pose as a reporter and glean information. Caulfield takes along another former New York police detective, Tony Ulasewicz, who is being paid $22,000 a year out of a secret Nixon political fund handled by Nixon’s personal lawyer, Herbert Kalmbach.

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orleans  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:44 PM
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26. as far as i know and understand it, there is no way around how horrible that was but, as someone else in the thread said, how does that excuse republican behavior? just because kennedy was a dick back in the day--does that mean that all these ****ing republicons should walk for destroying our country?

and...what the **** does kennedy have to do with our present situation? (that's the question i would pose--i'll let you figure out a nicer way to put it)

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Warpy  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-22-08 12:32 AM
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33. Ask him if all accident victims belong in jail.
   
I was there during the proceedings and it was ruled an accident. In fact, many people directly involved in the inquest thought Kennedy was blotto and Kopechne was probably driving him home.

Do a search of the incident and take a gander at the bridge, a low concrete affair with no guardrails, no lights, and no signage, hard to hit in broad daylight on a clear day and really hard to negotiate on a foggy night.

Also ask him why he's living so damn far in the past, if the present ****up in the White House makes the present too painful for him.

Then walk away.

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Hippo_Tron  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-22-08 02:14 AM
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39. Mary Jo Kopechne should never have gotten into the car with him as far as I'm concerned
   
If he had killed an innocent bystander then yes he should've gone to jail. But my parents always taught me that if you get into a car with a drunk driver, it's your own damn fault if anything happens to you. I think that falls pretty well in line with the Republican value of personal responsibility.

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MrSlayer  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-22-08 03:21 AM
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42. Well, the rat****ers were actually trying to kill Ted there.
   
But they got the next best thing.

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Vinca  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-22-08 07:18 AM
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44. Ask the guy if he's heard about Laura Bush.
   
If Ted should be in jail, so should Laura.

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asteroid2003QQ47  (926 posts) Tue Jul-22-08 07:49 AM
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47. I doubt Ted was even in the car that evening!
   
"Most likely the Chappaquiddick incident was intended as a frame-up," said Patrick. "It was a more plausible alternative to a third Kennedy brother assassination (which might have raised eyebrows). In that respect, it did not fail. Dirtying Teddy's reputation at Chappaquiddick, along with likely threats that more could come, served to effectively remove him as the one presidential candidate who would re-open the Dallas investigation."

http://www.opednews.com/stillwater_062005_kennedy.htm

More likely he was "instructed" how to play it after the fact.

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book_worm  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-22-08 12:21 PM
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72. Sorry, I can't defend EMK on Chappaquiddick

By the way, I'm intensely curious now.

There was a second man in Vast Teddy's car, as mentioned by a primitive early in the bonfire?

This the same thing as the second gunman in Dallas in November 1963?
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Re: primitives try to explain Chappaquiddick
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2008, 01:03:20 PM »
Oh my indeed.

Frank, I'm going through this case. I actually had a site bookmarked for further reading at a later time. And then the DUmmies posted this. Funny how that works huh?

Here's a link. Like I said, I haven't read all of it. Looks like a good starting point. Who knows? Maybe lurking primitives will actually educate themselves.

http://www.ytedk.com/

This is the link to the timeline with actual statements from Kennedy and others included
http://www.ytedk.com/chapter3.htm

To answer the question about another man, no there was no one else present when it happened but Kennedy did go get his lawyer buddies. From the link above -

When Kennedy arrived back at the cottage, he saw the white Valiant parked near the front door. The Senator testified that as he came up to the back of the vehicle, he saw Ray LaRosa. Kennedy made no mention of the accident to LaRosa, however, and instead told him to go get Joe Gargan and Paul Markham: the two lawyers.

- Kennedy climbed into the back seat of the car and waited. According to Gargan, when he and Markham came out, the Senator told them "There's been a terrible accident. The car's gone off the bridge down by the beach, and Mary Jo is in it."

- When the three men reached the bridge, Gargan recalled seeing the Senator's car upside-down in the middle of the pond. Kennedy guessed that it had been at least 45 minutes since the time of the accident. Gargan drove across the bridge and parked the Valiant on the beach side with the headlights shining over the water.

- Both Gargan and Markham stripped naked and dove into the water. "All I was interested in was saving the girl," Gargan said. "I wasn't thinking about anything else."

Markham and Gargan made several more attempts to open the doors, but fighting the current had taken it's toll. "The water was bad; it was rough," Gargan recalled. "I almost drowned." Exhausted and out of breath, they gave up.
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Re: primitives try to explain Chappaquiddick
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2008, 01:39:23 PM »
I can see November 2 from my house!!!

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Re: primitives try to explain Chappaquiddick
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2008, 02:02:24 PM »
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47. I doubt Ted was even in the car that evening!

Then why the neckbrace in court?


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Re: primitives try to explain Chappaquiddick
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2008, 02:14:48 PM »
One of the DUmmies, DUmmie_Midnite, uses this as her source:
http://complete911timeline.org/aboutsite.jsp
In the "About Us" section:
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Who creates the content?
Anyone who registers on the website and becomes a member of a timeline project can submit content.

It's the journalistic equivalent of Wikipedia. Any asshat can post any conspiracy theory while posing as a "journalist".
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Re: primitives try to explain Chappaquiddick
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2008, 05:45:58 PM »
Dixiebelle--I just read the whole T Kennedy thingy. T Kennedy is a ...................just can't think of anything nice enough to print out in mixed company.
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Re: primitives try to explain Chappaquiddick
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2008, 05:50:08 PM »
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I also think he has spent the last several decades as the hardest working senator in Washington as a way of repenting.

Destroying America from within, rewarding sloth and bad decision-making, and ruining the chance for hard-working people to get ahead is a full-time job. 
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Re: primitives try to explain Chappaquiddick
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2008, 05:58:24 PM »
Ted Kennedy killed Mary Jo...........for trolling DUmmies

explain why Teddy was with a single woman campaign staffer?,

why did Teddy drink and drive?..... and no suspicions of a DUI?

why did Teddy wait eight hours before reporting the accident?

why did teddy swim to shore and pass out all with supposedly a broken back?

why did the Kennedy machine takeover and happen to control the entire investigation?

why are investigation proceedings still sealed today?....including settlements with Mary Jo's parents?

Explain why Joe Sr rehabilitating from a serious stroke suddenly decide not to take nourishment after July 19, 1969 when Ted told him of the news?


Questions that make you go...............HMMMMMM? :confused:

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Re: primitives try to explain Chappaquiddick
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2008, 06:03:13 PM »
Ted Kennedy killed Mary Jo...........for trolling DUmmies

explain why Teddy was with a single woman campaign staffer?,

why did Teddy drink and drive?..... and no suspicions of a DUI?

why did Teddy wait eight hours before reporting the accident?

why did teddy swim to shore and pass out all with supposedly a broken back?

why did the Kennedy machine takeover and happen to control the entire investigation?

why are investigation proceedings still sealed today?....including settlements with Mary Jo's parents?

Explain why Joe Sr rehabilitating from a serious stroke suddenly decide not to take nourishment after July 19, 1969 when Ted told him of the news?


Questions that make you go...............HMMMMMM? :confused:

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Re: primitives try to explain Chappaquiddick
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2008, 06:36:55 PM »
Mary Jo's parents got a crap "settlement" even for the time. It was settled within the low limits of the insurance policy, I don't know why they settled, it is possible someone applied pressure. Clearly, the men were there to be pleasured by the ladies. The ladies were also politican groupies as well as working secreterial staff. That's the way it was back then.

He, Ted,  was and is a despicable waste of skin.

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Re: primitives try to explain Chappaquiddick
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2008, 07:31:30 PM »
okay -- SO, it was a setup ?

How is that even possible ? did the VRWC travel back in time, get Kennedy and his victim really drunk, and while they were partying, The Mythbusters then wired his car for remote control, and they then drove it off a bridge for him ?

If Vast Teddy were a normal Joe, he would have been convicted of DUI and manslaughter (since Vehicular Homicide did not exist at the time) if this had gone to court. There is no way to spin it. Give. It. Up.

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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2008, 09:01:56 PM »
I swear the DUmpmonkies would believe the sun would turn blue and the sky pink if they could blame it on the VRWC.
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Re: primitives try to explain Chappaquiddick
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2008, 12:18:10 PM »
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aspergris  (670 posts) Tue Jul-22-08 12:10 AM
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29. I think you are reading way too much into it
   
The CW fact pattern is very believable and matches the physical evidence, the circumstances, etc.

I don't buy the ted didn't know she was in the back seat. Not to mention that he supposedly offered to give her a ride back to (Katama Inn iirc).

I have relatives on Martha's Vineyard and spent many a summer there, fwiw.

I accept that kennedy made a big mistake,a nd there was a good chance he was DUI - that would be the best motivation not to call the cops right away.

The funny thing is you libs were screaming bloody murder over Bush's DUI that resulted in no injury or death to anyone.  :whatever:
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Re: primitives try to explain Chappaquiddick
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2008, 03:11:46 PM »
Why should real facts interupt their orgasmic joy should they ever make a fake crime stick to a republican.
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