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Star Member SHRED (27,681 posts)
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A few thoughts on gun control
Last edited Sun Aug 4, 2019, 11:38 AM - Edit history (1)
As a starting point.
*Ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines with an aggressive buyback program and reasonable grace period.
*Ban the sale of body armour to civilians.
*Outlaw silencers.
*Strong nationwide background check and extended waiting period.
*Require registration and insurance on all firearms whether sold by a dealer or person to person. Like a car.
*Close gunshow loophole.
Star Member mainstreetonce (3,738 posts)
3. I would close gun shows
Guns are too dangerous to be sold at shiws.
Star Member at140 (2,425 posts)
4. All good measures in your list but....
There are already more guns than people in civilian hands. And those who ignore and break laws will not obey.
Star Member jcgoldie (3,846 posts)
7. right wing talking point
There's already too many guns so how can we control it? Only criminals will have guns. NRA bullshit.
If there's termites eating the damn house, nobody says awwe shucks there's already too many just let em have it!
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Star Member Hoyt (38,869 posts)
10. Every decade we do nothing puts another 100 million guns on the street. Might as well start now,
because sooner or later, we are going to have to quit coddling gun lovers.
Bring it, **** head.
Star Member bearsfootball516 (4,463 posts)
14. It's something that may have to be grandfather'd in.
I’ve seen people suggest mandatory confiscation of high powered assault rifles. There are a LOT of insane citizens with guns that will go down in a blaze of glory before giving them up.
You WILL start a war that way.
Star Member MyNameGoesHere (5,759 posts)
44. Those who ignore and break laws
Will need to be arrested and prosecuted. We do that already. It's a very lame excuse for not doing it. It's a defeatist attitude or a NRA response. We can control criminals and law breakers.
... unless they have a [D] after their name...
Voltaire2 (6,146 posts)
21. Mental healthcare has nothing to do with gun control, and linking it stigmatizes people who have mental health issues.
Otherwise, yes. All of the above. Plus as the gun radicals love to point out, it is very difficult to fully specify exactly what is an assault weapon and what isn’t, so gun manufacturers should have to get regulatory approval from a federal agency to manufacture any weapon.
Star Member DVRacer (359 posts)
28. Let's just take point one
There are approximately 330,000,000 firearms in the United States. Of those 85% fall into the category you set out that’s 280,000,000ish. Like eminent domain the courts will require fair compensation so average for that would be about $1,000.00. So I would ask how do you plan to pay for 2,800,000,000 yes that’s 2.8 trillion dollars?
My reasoning for being against more laws is because of what happened under the 94-04 ban. It was heavily enforced on inner city’s and let slide in rural communities. Just like hardened drug laws it will be disproportionately enforced against minority’s. I don’t want to give them more reasons to lock up minority men for 10 years especially when you have officers like the one in Florida planting drugs. He was able for years to take drugs from evidence and plant them. So now these departments will have all the guns they want to plant on people they want to make go away. I’m worried this is a trap and also can’t see how to pay for it too.
Voltaire2 (6,146 posts)
30. 500.00
I think you have grossly inflated the value of a used semi auto rifle.
But I don’t care. The buy back grace period should be short: 3 months. After that the fair market value of your lovely precious is zero.
Star Member SHRED (27,681 posts)
31. Then no buyback
You go to prison if caught with one.
Star Member DVRacer (359 posts)
34. Well you can't do that legally
The courts right now are trying to come up with an amount the Federal government has to pay for bump stocks. The previous owners want $500 the government says $100 but nevertheless they have to pay. So whatever it is it will be a huge sum for 85% of all firearms in the country.
Just take Oregon for an example rural counties say they won’t enforce the law there. The cities say enforce enforce it will be the same nation wide. You will make the private prisons very rich and ruin many lives in the process. Like the ‘94 crime bill you will look back and go oh that was a mistake.
Star Member ooky (2,995 posts)
35. Sounds like we need to be more aggressive with enforcement action then.
Sorry but its time to stop making excuses, the assault weapons need to go. Give them a tax loss write off and get going. Reinstate the assault weapons ban and put those who are still caught with them in prison with mandatory prison time. If they break the law and get caught they ruin their own lives.
Star Member hunter (29,962 posts)
33. The second amendment is bullshit just as the Constitutionality of slavery was bullshit.
It's time to end this nation's disgusting and dangerous gun culture, it's time to separate fools from their guns, it's time to destroy the guns.
pecosbob (3,386 posts)
45. I believe several of those conditions existed when I was a young man
silencers were illegal...body armor was illegal...background checks were conducted. Seems like Republicans must have gutted these laws at some point...I wonder why.
:thatsright: Obviously to kill more black and brown people.... :mental:
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Star Member bearsfootball516 (4,463 posts)
14. It's something that may have to be grandfather'd in.
I’ve seen people suggest mandatory confiscation of high powered assault rifles. There are a LOT of insane citizens with guns that will go down in a blaze of glory before giving them up.
My guns identify as low powered rifles so I should be good to go. :panic:
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There's over 100MM firearms owners in this country. If just 25% of them refuse to comply with these fascists what the hell do they think they're going to do with 25MM 'felons'?
Not to mention this is not a real problem. It is simply sensationalized. Even loony tunes Neil De Grasse Tyson sees through the media hysteria.
They don't enforce the laws they have on the books now, so what good will more laws do them? They all love it when the cops don't enforce marijuana laws, or push the homeless away from businesses and neighborhoods, per city laws, so what makes this special?
Not to mention they always try to lump all gun owners into one basket when these things happen, yet absolutely refuse to do so when it's one of their pet projects like, Muslims, etc ...
KC
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Star Member SHRED (27,681 posts)
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A few thoughts on gun control
Last edited Sun Aug 4, 2019, 11:38 AM - Edit history (1)
As a starting point.
*Ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines with an aggressive buyback program and reasonable grace period. If by "assault weapons" rifles that can be automatic rather than just scary looking, they basically already are. Banning "high capacity magazines" would be pointless, as a shooter carrying 10- or 15-round magazines could change magazines in 1-2 seconds, not enough delay to make a significant difference.
*Ban the sale of body armour to civilians. 1. Body armor doesn't protect uncovered areas like head, arms, hips/butt, and legs. 2. Body armor will not stop rifle bullets of just about any caliber.
*Outlaw silencers. "Silencers" do not truly silence. They reduce the report enough to prevent/lessen hearing damage, but targets will hear gunshots very clearly, as will nearby police. "Silencers" do not make guns any more deadly. This is a red herring bogeymen created by watching too many Hollyweird movies and TV shows.
*Strong nationwide background check and extended waiting period. Background checks are already required, with a significant list of reasons a would-be purchaser would be refused. A waiting period accomplishes less than nothing, as it prevents nothing but is a period of vulnerability for a purchaser living under imminent threat.
*Require registration and insurance on all firearms whether sold by a dealer or person to person. Like a car. Gun registration is currently banned by Federal law, because that information would be abused. Gun registration would accomplish nothing that background checks don't already accomplish. Re insurance: this would be a significant hindrance to exercising a constitutionally guaranteed right, and would be found to be a violation of the 2nd Amendment; cars are not a constitutional right, so the analogy is bogus.
*Close gunshow loophole. Sounds like Star Moron SHRED is unaware that gun show sales by businesses all go through the same background check that in-store sales do. "Gunshow loophole" is just a Prog bogeymantra.
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My guns identify as low powered rifles so I should be good to go. :panic:
Mine identify as wireless, handheld safety devices. Good to go here as well... :cheersmate:
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Mine identify as wireless, handheld safety devices. Good to go here as well... :cheersmate:
Mine identify as female weightlifters. They can go anywhere including women's showers.
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Mine identify as female weightlifters. They can go anywhere including women's showers.
Very few of mine speak English.
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*Outlaw silencers. "Silencers" do not truly silence. They reduce the report enough to prevent/lessen hearing damage, but targets will hear gunshots very clearly, as will nearby police. "Silencers" do not make guns any more deadly. This is a red herring bogeymen created by watching too many Hollyweird movies and TV shows.
WHAT!!! That's BS, SV. Hollywood and TvV wouldn't lie to us. Guns wíth evil silencers always sound like a super quiet pew pew pew pewpewpew or fup fup fup.
I'm devastated,. :bawl: :bawl:
My guns identify as low powered rifles so I should be good to go. :panic:
If it can bruise a mouse, your shit out of luck.
Mine identify as wireless, handheld safety devices. Good to go here as well... :cheersmate:
Don't be too sure of yourself.
Mine identify as female weightlifters. They can go anywhere including women's showers.
:II: :thumbs: :thumbs: :hi5:
Mine can't swim and they weren't wearing life jackets that day.
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Voltaire2 (6,146 posts)
21. Mental healthcare has nothing to do with gun control, and linking it stigmatizes people who have mental health issues.
Otherwise, yes. All of the above. Plus as the gun radicals love to point out, it is very difficult to fully specify exactly what is an assault weapon and what isn’t, so gun manufacturers should have to get regulatory approval from a federal agency to manufacture any weapon.
That is correct, Mental healthcare has nothing to do with gun control, It is part of the solution to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill who will go on a shooting spree.
as for linking it stigmatizes people who have mental health issues, if it will save lives it is worth it. You are punishing millions of law abiding gun owners so as not to " stigmatize " those who will misuse them.
You dip shits have all the wrong solutions to the problem, but refuse to accept reality when a proper solution is proposed.
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There's already too many guns so how can we control it? Only criminals will have guns.
That's exactly how it is in most places that forbid public ownership of guns. dip[ shit.
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Star Member SHRED (27,681 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212345209
A few thoughts on gun control
Last edited Sun Aug 4, 2019, 11:38 AM - Edit history (1)
As a starting point.
*Ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines with an aggressive buyback program and reasonable grace period. If by "assault weapons" rifles that can be automatic rather than just scary looking, they basically already are. Banning "high capacity magazines" would be pointless, as a shooter carrying 10- or 15-round magazines could change magazines in 1-2 seconds, not enough delay to make a significant difference.
*Ban the sale of body armour to civilians. 1. Body armor doesn't protect uncovered areas like head, arms, hips/butt, and legs. 2. Body armor will not stop rifle bullets of just about any caliber.
*Outlaw silencers. "Silencers" do not truly silence. They reduce the report enough to prevent/lessen hearing damage, but targets will hear gunshots very clearly, as will nearby police. "Silencers" do not make guns any more deadly. This is a red herring bogeymen created by watching too many Hollyweird movies and TV shows.
*Strong nationwide background check and extended waiting period. Background checks are already required, with a significant list of reasons a would-be purchaser would be refused. A waiting period accomplishes less than nothing, as it prevents nothing but is a period of vulnerability for a purchaser living under imminent threat.
*Require registration and insurance on all firearms whether sold by a dealer or person to person. Like a car. Gun registration is currently banned by Federal law, because that information would be abused. Gun registration would accomplish nothing that background checks don't already accomplish. Re insurance: this would be a significant hindrance to exercising a constitutionally guaranteed right, and would be found to be a violation of the 2nd Amendment; cars are not a constitutional right, so the analogy is bogus.
*Close gunshow loophole. Sounds like Star Moron SHRED is unaware that gun show sales by businesses all go through the same background check that in-store sales do. "Gunshow loophole" is just a Prog bogeymantra.
*Ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines with an aggressive buyback program and reasonable grace period. Most mass shooters do not use assault rifles. Nikolas Cruz did not use high capacity when he massacred people at Stoneman High School.
*Ban the sale of body armour to civilians. Body armour is useless once it is hit by bullets. Also, it does not protect from stabbings.
*Outlaw silencers. Very few mass killers have used silencers.
*Strong nationwide background check and extended waiting period. We already have background check laws in the book.
*Require registration and insurance on all firearms whether sold by a dealer or person to person. Like a car. Driving is not a right.
*Close gunshow loophole. SVPete covered it.
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Now oh great and stupid DUchebags, what do you do about the Second Amendment.
Oh my that is a tough one. A whole lot of states have to support that and it has super majorities to get though the congress.
Might as well wish you all had 105 IQ points.
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They don't enforce the laws they have on the books now, so what good will more laws do them? They all love it when the cops don't enforce marijuana laws, or push the homeless away from businesses and neighborhoods, per city laws, so what makes this special?
1. Hear, hear on your first point! The Parkland school shooting would not have happened if existing laws (Both gun laws, and laws relating to juvenile offenders) were actually enforced.
For instance, Nikolas Cruz was expelled from the school some months before the shooting. The school administrators were required by law to inform the police that he had been expelled. They did not do so. Had they done so, Cruz would not have been able to legally purchase a firearm because he wouldn't have passed the background check. Also, even though Cruz had committed MANY violent acts in the school before being expelled, the school administrators and deputies refused to ever arrest him for it, in order to comply with the Obama Administration's asinine school discipline policy, which among other things pressured schools to heavily cut down on student suspensions and youth arrests. Had they arrested Cruz for his violent acts, he again wouldn't have passed the background check and wouldn't have been able to legally purchase a firearm.
2. As for your second point, don't forget the DUmmies also love when the cops don't enforce immigration laws and refuse to cooperate with ICE, even when it comes to illegals who are known violent felons in need of deportation before they hurt anyone else.
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2. As for your second point, don't forget the DUmmies also love when the cops don't enforce immigration laws and refuse to cooperate with ICE, even when it comes to illegals who are known violent felons in need of deportation before they hurt anyone else.
Yup. I did forget to mention/include that. Great point!
KC
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Come and get them DUmmy.
You get this part first.
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1. Hear, hear on your first point! The Parkland school shooting would not have happened if existing laws (Both gun laws, and laws relating to juvenile offenders) were actually enforced.
For instance, Nikolas Cruz was expelled from the school some months before the shooting. ...
The same is true of the Dayton shooter. He posted his "hit list" on a restroom wall at his school, and harassed girls by sending them his "rape list", which included their names. The guy should have been ineligible to purchase guns, but the school seems to have taken their annual $10K per student government funding more seriously than his threats. It'd be interesting to know if the police were brought in on that and by whom.
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WHAT!!! That's BS, SV. Hollywood and TvV wouldn't lie to us. Guns wíth evil silencers always sound like a super quiet pew pew pew pewpewpew or fup fup fup.
I'm devastated,. :bawl: :bawl:
I think it is shwip! or maybe zhweep! so silent a person in the bed next to the victim cannot hear it. Them things is real, I tells ya!
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So the DUmdasses want to confiscate firearms? Fair enough as long as they start where gun violence is out of control like Chicago. I'm sure the gangbangers doing the violence will have no problems whatsoever with a group of mealy mouthed wannabe tough guys from the sewer of the internet trying to disarm them.
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There's over 100MM firearms owners in this country. If just 25% of them refuse to comply with these fascists what the hell do they think they're going to do with 25MM 'felons'?
Not to mention this is not a real problem. It is simply sensationalized. Even loony tunes Neil De Grasse Tyson sees through the media hysteria.
They don't enforce the laws they have on the books now, so what good will more laws do them? They all love it when the cops don't enforce marijuana laws, or push the homeless away from businesses and neighborhoods, per city laws, so what makes this special?
Not to mention they always try to lump all gun owners into one basket when these things happen, yet absolutely refuse to do so when it's one of their pet projects like, Muslims, etc ...
KC
Exactly!
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Sorry for such a late comment.
Something came to mind a short time ago,
A technical question about "silencers".
When firing a bullèt through one, is the sound of impact ŕeduced also?ĺ
Where does the freaking sound go?
Is there a sound puddle on the ground?
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Sorry for such a late comment.
Something came to mind a short time ago,
A technical question about "silencers".
When firing a bullèt through one, is the sound of impact ŕeduced also?ĺ
Where does the freaking sound go?
Is there a sound puddle on the ground?
As I understand it, the sound is directed to sound as though coming from elsewhere
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>Star Member Hoyt (38,869 posts) ...
>10. Every decade we do nothing puts another 100 million guns on the street. Might as well start now,
"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk."
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The DUmmy promised some 'thoughts' on gun control - then posted a list of talking-points, there was no thought involved in that post whatsoever.
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The DUmmy promised some 'thoughts' on gun control - then posted a list of talking-points, there was no thought involved in that post whatsoever.
There hardly ever is. But then, it is the DUmp Monkiez we're talking about here. Good at flinging excrement and screeching incoherently. Not so good at reasoned thought, and civil public discourse.
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Sorry for such a late comment.
Something came to mind a short time ago,
A technical question about "silencers".
When firing a bullèt through one, is the sound of impact ŕeduced also?ĺ
Where does the freaking sound go?
Is there a sound puddle on the ground?
A silencer is like a muffler on a car, it slows down the gas and some of the sound of the burning powder. To be truly quiet you need to use sub sonic ammo, other wise you can still hear the sonic boom of the bullet.
The impact noise is not affected.
Silencers are definately not as quiet as the movies.