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Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« on: June 28, 2012, 09:19:13 AM »
The Supreme Court upheld the health care law today in a splintered, complex opinion that appears to give President Obama a major victory.

Basically. the justices said that the individual mandate -- the requirement that most Americans buy health insurance or pay a fine -- is constitutional as a tax.

While the individual mandate remained 18 months away from implementation, many other provisions already have gone into effect, such as free wellness exams for seniors and allowing children up to age 26 to remain on their parents' health insurance policies. Some of those provisions are likely to be retained by some insurance companies.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2012, 09:19:17 AM »
No link yet.

We are so ****ing ****ed.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2012, 09:20:50 AM »
How do they decide who gets taxed?  Lose your job because Obama's economy sucks and your health insurance goes with it, and Barry's goons stick you with a "penalty" for being unemployed? 
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2012, 09:21:59 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on June 28, 2012, 09:19:17 AM
No link yet.

We are so ****ing ****ed.

Yep, in fact their little legislation operation from the bench moved us even closer to socialized medicine imo.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2012, 09:22:54 AM »
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The Supreme Court has ruled that ObamaCare's individual mandate to purchase health insurance will survive as a tax, with Chief Justice Roberts joining the court liberals to write a majority opinion. The court also placed some narrow limits on federal power to limit state Medicaid funds.

Update: SCOTUSBlog reports that Chief Justice John Roberts cast the deciding vote to save the law. Essentially the entire law will stand.

Update: The ruling states that, "The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate. "
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Oh, so you don't have to pay it after all.  How nice. :whatever:
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2012, 09:23:59 AM »
Quote from: jtyangel on June 28, 2012, 09:21:59 AM
Yep, in fact their little legislation operation from the bench moved us even closer to socialized medicine imo.

It's worse than that.  Basically this is a precedent for the government to force us into buying anything they deem "necessary" under the guise of a tax. 

It was a good country while it lasted.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2012, 09:24:10 AM »
It's a tax increase. It's not a part of the commerce clause. We still may be ****ed, but we're less ****ed than we could be. We have obama ON RECORD calling this "not a tax."
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2012, 09:24:29 AM »
6-3 in favor.

So who was the other alleged Conservative judge that voted for this pile of shit? :argh:
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2012, 09:24:59 AM »
We will just have to wait for congress and Romney to repeal it. Top reps in congress said yesterday that if it is upheld, they will start the repeal process.

Justice Roberts turned liberal today.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2012, 09:26:28 AM »
Quote from: Kyle Ricky on June 28, 2012, 09:24:59 AM
We will just have to wait for congress and Romney to repeal it. Top reps in congress said yesterday that if it is upheld, they will start the repeal process.

Justice Roberts turned liberal today.

I really liked him too.  What could have done this to him?
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2012, 09:27:53 AM »
Quote from: Kyle Ricky on June 28, 2012, 09:24:59 AM
We will just have to wait for congress and Romney to repeal it. Top reps in congress said yesterday that if it is upheld, they will start the repeal process.

That is one ****ing campaign promise Romney had better keep.

And lets hope the Congress critters find a spine and do everything they can NOT to fund this POS.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2012, 09:29:50 AM »
So basically, the Constitution is now worthless. Awesome.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2012, 09:31:06 AM »
Quote from: VivisMom on June 28, 2012, 09:29:50 AM
So basically, the Constitution is now worthless. Awesome.

Or can be manipulated to the point it is indeed worthless. Like someone else said, it was a good country while it lasted. Before long, nothing differentiates us from the shitholes that are nearly bankrupt in Europe. :banghead:
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2012, 09:31:31 AM »
And what people don't realize is...now the Feds can tell us what to eat...what to wear...what to drive...all under the guise of healthcare and what's "good" for us.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2012, 09:32:44 AM »
Does this mean that now the govt gets to tax those who don't have insurance?  those who are already struggling to make ends meet?  those that are unemployed or without income?
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2012, 09:33:16 AM »
Largest tax increase in American history.


Guys, this isn't the nightmare you think it is. It's a tax increase. Do you realize how easy it will be for Romney to run on Obama increasing taxes on every American? The Commerce Clause is intact, the order has no real teeth, and this will lead to a tea-party/Republican tsunami in November.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2012, 09:33:22 AM »
Quote from: txradioguy on June 28, 2012, 09:27:53 AM
That is one ****ing campaign promise Romney had better keep.

And lets hope the Congress critters find a spine and do everything they can NOT to fund this POS.

Yup.

If Romney doesn't keep the promise. He will not be re-elected.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2012, 09:34:12 AM »
Quote from: Splashdown on June 28, 2012, 09:33:16 AM
Largest tax increase in American history.


Guys, this isn't the nightmare you think it is. It's a tax increase. Do you realize how easy it will be for Romney to run on Obama increasing taxes on every American? The Commerce Clause is intact, the order has no real teeth, and this will lead to a tea-party/Republican tsunami in November.

I agree. This is 2010 all over again. The Dems are going to pay dearly for this.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2012, 09:35:35 AM »
states can opt out!!?!?!?!?

Weird.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2012, 09:37:19 AM »
I see this as leading to a Romney victory in November.  This legislation is HATED by most Americans and the USSC is not the final deciding factor.  The people are.  They proved that in 2010 and it's about to happen again.  More and more people are going to be upset by this.

I really think this is going to give us a Republican lead White House, Congress and Senate.

Just my thoughts.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2012, 09:37:24 AM »
Quote from: Gina on June 28, 2012, 09:32:44 AM
Does this mean that now the govt gets to tax those who don't have insurance?  those who are already struggling to make ends meet?  those that are unemployed or without income?

I'm assuming those of us workign with healthcare will see this tax via MORE rate increases. And those without or who choose not to buy will have to pay the tax. So yeah, you are screwed either way. And make no mistake. All those getting the freebies already..the moochers will be given some kind of indemnity from paying for this pos while using the most services.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2012, 09:37:36 AM »
Quote from: Splashdown on June 28, 2012, 09:33:16 AM
Largest tax increase in American history.


Guys, this isn't the nightmare you think it is. It's a tax increase. Do you realize how easy it will be for Romney to run on Obama increasing taxes on every American? The Commerce Clause is intact, the order has no real teeth, and this will lead to a tea-party/Republican tsunami in November.

I fully agree.  Possibly a fillibuster-proof Senate, too.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2012, 09:37:53 AM »
Quote from: Splashdown on June 28, 2012, 09:35:35 AM
states can opt out!!?!?!?!?

Weird.

My understanding (And someone please correct me if I am wrong) is that the states can opt out. But you will still be paying the tax for it.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2012, 09:38:10 AM »
Quote from: Gina on June 28, 2012, 09:32:44 AM
Does this mean that now the govt gets to tax those who don't have insurance?  those who are already struggling to make ends meet?  those that are unemployed or without income?

Yup.  The guy who claimed he wouldn't raise taxes on anyone making over 200K just raised taxes on all of us.  And by doing so he just flushed what little momentum the economy had.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2012, 09:39:33 AM »
Quote from: Splashdown on June 28, 2012, 09:35:35 AM
states can opt out!!?!?!?!?

Weird.

Only out of Medicare programs.

And while I agree with you that yes, this will help Romeny win, the issue is that the Supreme Court-whose ONLY JOB is to UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION-has basically shat all over individual liberty. Congress can tax us for healthcare? What's to stop them from saying 'hey, drive a hybrid car or get taxed!' or 'we're going to put an extra tax on people who eat McDonald's!'
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