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Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 07, 2013, 06:56:31 PM
I am seriously considering this 1963 Fairlane.  The color is puke, but it has fins.  The '64 for sale in Illinois does not.

http://blacksburg.craigslist.org/cto/3801263839.html

This other '63 needs paint and body work and is a coupe.  I think I like the four-door better.  It has more class.

http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/3800182935.html

If I didn't have stuff to do this weekend, I would drive up and kick the tires on that '64 in Illinois.  It's just over the border from St. Louis.

http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1964-Ford-Fairlane-65651.xhtml?conversationId=270983
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 07, 2013, 07:12:28 PM
The Fairlane would make car #4.  I could probably leave the Camry at work and use it to shuffle parts and people around the three buildings I support (I would only need to move it occasionally) until I got rid of that damn Accord.  I want something with a plush ride that I can take on a long trip.  The MGB isn't really suited for that, at least not until I can get a decent exhaust installed.  Having three cars would lower my insurance -- it would mean fewer miles per car and Hagerty's has good rates and coverage.  My current policy covers everything for only $130 a year but I'm limited to 5,000 miles on the MGB.
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 08, 2013, 02:01:43 AM
The 63 looks the best out of that bunch.  :cheersmate:
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 09, 2013, 10:04:39 PM
I wonder if I could sneak this home and hide it from spousal unit: 

http://springfield.craigslist.org/cto/3828407806.html

Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 09, 2013, 10:22:15 PM
That nose is pretty imposing.  I'm partial to the '49 Dodge (there was one for sale recently).

[youtube=425,350]q_tjEdgY_wQ[/youtube]
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 10, 2013, 04:29:14 PM
I called the dealership in Illinois with the white Ford.  I found out why they reduced their price... one of their employees dinged the fender, and it's been sitting long enough for the brake system to leak itself empty.  So I'm looking at a tow in addition to at least one new part.

I still plan on taking a look at it next weekend.
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 10, 2013, 04:30:46 PM
How much was the reduction?
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 10, 2013, 04:34:56 PM
I'm not sure... that car's been sitting for at least a year.  The current price is under $4,000
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 10, 2013, 04:36:58 PM
With a dent and brake work needed, I wouldn't give him what he's asking, that's for sure.

What about that one in Covington for $3500? 
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 10, 2013, 04:40:32 PM
One of the guys up here at work is trying to sell me a 65 Dart 2-door post.  :yawn:


It needs work, (rust and interior), but it runs.  Anymore, I'd rather futz with mechanical problems, rather than body and interior work.

Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 10, 2013, 04:41:41 PM
I haven't checked up on it.  It's eight hours away... I would have to schedule some time off from work to make it up there and back in a weekend.

That one's got a bad master cylinder as well but if I can find a nearby garage, I can get it fixed for a few bucks.
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 10, 2013, 04:45:22 PM
I haven't checked up on it.  It's eight hours away... I would have to schedule some time off from work to make it up there and back in a weekend.

That one's got a bad master cylinder as well but if I can find a nearby garage, I can get it fixed for a few bucks.

Out of the three you've got there going just by the photos, that would be the one I would go after.  A master cylinder isn't difficult to replace. 
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 10, 2013, 04:45:29 PM
One of the guys up here at work is trying to sell me a 65 Dart 2-door post.  :yawn:


It needs work, (rust and interior), but it runs.  Anymore, I'd rather futz with mechanical problems, rather than body and interior work.


That's, um... interesting. 

The grille for the Dart GT looks a little nicer.  That one just looks goofy.
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 10, 2013, 04:46:15 PM
Out of the three you've got there going just by the photos, that would be the one I would go after.  A master cylinder isn't difficult to replace. 

That one's got a dent too... driver door.  It does have the 260 V8 but it also has that terrible window tint which looks like it's probably too dark to be legal here. Removing tint is a pain in the ass.
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 10, 2013, 04:55:37 PM
That one's got a dent too... driver door.  It does have the 260 V8 but it also has that terrible window tint which looks like it's probably too dark to be legal here. Removing tint is a pain in the ass.

Yeah, I saw that, along with at least one dent on the rocker on the passenger side, and maybe a tiny dent behind and above the driver's wheel on the lower belt line. 

I have no experience removing tint, other than carefully, and with a razor blade.  I wonder how negotiable he is?
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 10, 2013, 05:03:49 PM
Looks like there's another ding on the rear passenger door as well.  Yikes.

I guess for $3,500 I can't complain too much.  At this point, it's just a question of which one I can get home cheaper.  The IL dealer is close to St. Louis.  It would probably be cheaper to have it towed to a garage there and fixed than paying a car hauler.  I've got them looking into shipping costs for me.
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 10, 2013, 05:10:41 PM
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/covington_zpse3c21189.png) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/covington_zpse3c21189.png.html)

Does this qualify as the middle of nowhere?
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 10, 2013, 05:14:09 PM
Does this qualify as the middle of nowhere?

Yeah.   :-)

I looked that up to see which direction it was to be 8 hours from you.  If it was my way, I could have looked at it for you.  It's not.  :popcorn:
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 10, 2013, 05:15:54 PM
There are a couple of garages in Covington, but I would have to find some way to get up there to pick up the car.  Looks like Roanoke might be the closest airport... $370 for a one-way ticket.

I like the antique VA tags.
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 10, 2013, 05:53:12 PM
are you allowed to run antique tags in tenn?
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 10, 2013, 05:59:27 PM
Yes, but it's limited to weekends and car shows.  You're not allowed to use them for general transportation otherwise.
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 11, 2013, 10:51:17 AM
Wow, they crunched it up pretty good. :thatsright:

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1964%20Ford%20Fairlane/DSC09843_zpsa0895956.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/library/1964%20Ford%20Fairlane#/user/kayaktn/library/1964%20Ford%20Fairlane?sort=3&page=1&_suid=137096562657908856784418523235)
(click for gallery)

The trunk lid doesn't sit right, the grille has some damage, and there's a Chevrolet radio in the dash.  I'm pretty sure that breaks at least 3 laws south of the Mason-Dixon line.  They're going to have to come off some money for me to buy this thing.
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 11, 2013, 12:35:16 PM
The blue car in Covington has been sold.

The guy finally replied to my phone calls/text.  I asked "Is the car still available?".  His reply was "Yes, it has been sold."  :hammer:
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 11, 2013, 04:15:27 PM
Wow, they crunched it up pretty good. :thatsright:
The trunk lid doesn't sit right, the grille has some damage, and there's a Chevrolet radio in the dash.  I'm pretty sure that breaks at least 3 laws south of the Mason-Dixon line.  They're going to have to come off some money for me to buy this thing.

Call me cheap, but I wouldn't offer them a penny over $1800. 
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 11, 2013, 04:29:20 PM
Call me cheap, but I wouldn't offer them a penny over $1800. 
I'll offer them $2000.

I still want to kick the tires on it.  It's the only '63-'64 Fairlane around that isn't at least five figures.  I'll check the list of Craig again, but this one keeps coming up on AutoTrader every time I look.
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 11, 2013, 04:36:00 PM
This is what $2000 wil buy these days. (http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1964-Ford-Fairlane-573381.xhtml?conversationId=9622) :rotf:
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on June 11, 2013, 04:54:09 PM
This is what $2000 wil buy these days. (http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1964-Ford-Fairlane-573381.xhtml?conversationId=9622) :rotf:

You gotta be shitting me.

I wouldn't offer that guy $50 for that wreck.
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 11, 2013, 04:54:42 PM
This is what $2000 wil buy these days. (http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1964-Ford-Fairlane-573381.xhtml?conversationId=9622) :rotf:

I don't know, I guess it depends on where you go.  They don't go for that much around here, it seems.

http://joplin.craigslist.org/cto/3835200090.html  1962  $1000

http://springfield.craigslist.org/bar/3835463484.html  1963 $2000

http://springfield.craigslist.org/cto/3773672585.html  1964 $1800 
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 11, 2013, 04:56:22 PM
You gotta be shitting me.

I wouldn't offer that guy $50 for that wreck.

I know, right?  

My old pig truck must be worth a fortune.  All I need to do is list it on Auto Trader.  :rotf:


[edit]

Looks like I was right:  http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1971-Dodge-D100-981777.xhtml?conversationId=4566  Wait until I show spousal unit.  Even mine is in better shape. :lmao:
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 11, 2013, 07:36:54 PM
I don't know, I guess it depends on where you go.  They don't go for that much around here, it seems.

http://joplin.craigslist.org/cto/3835200090.html  1962  $1000

http://springfield.craigslist.org/bar/3835463484.html  1963 $2000

http://springfield.craigslist.org/cto/3773672585.html  1964 $1800 
Two of them don't run and the third has no interior.

Good job. :rofl:
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 11, 2013, 07:58:54 PM
I'm... speechless.  OMFG.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/cranehill_zps614521b2.jpg) (http://huntsville.craigslist.org/cto/3856487751.html)

$2,700.  Current registration, runs and drives.  He says there's a small patch of Bondo on the car, but that's it.
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: obumazombie on June 11, 2013, 08:02:31 PM
^Winner !
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 11, 2013, 08:05:37 PM
Another Alabama adventure.  How the heck do I get this thing back home?
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: obumazombie on June 11, 2013, 08:08:06 PM
Another Alabama adventure.  How the heck do I get this thing back home?
Take a mass transit down, and drive it back.
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 11, 2013, 08:12:01 PM
Take a mass transit down, and drive it back.
This guy's almost in the middle of nowhere (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Crane+Hill,+AL&hl=en&ll=34.09361,-87.062531&spn=0.660738,0.852814&sll=36.18664,-86.785245&sspn=0.643963,0.852814&hnear=Crane+Hill,+Cullman,+Alabama&t=m&z=10).  He's not quite that far out, but he's in the neighborhood.
Title: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 11, 2013, 08:18:44 PM
Two of them don't run and the third has no interior.

Good job. :rofl:

After looking at that one you put up for $2000, I figured you were operating on quantity not quality, and grabbed the first three links.  :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Wineslob on June 12, 2013, 10:08:19 AM
Seems some of those listers have been watching too many episodes of Counting Cars.    :whatever:


I almost wonder what my 72 Camaro would go for.    :p






 :tongue:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 12, 2013, 11:15:03 AM
Seems some of those listers have been watching too many episodes of Counting Cars.    :whatever:


I almost wonder what my 72 Camero would go for.    :p
It's worth more if you spell it correctly. :whistling:

Yeah, those guys have some crazy stupid prices.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on June 12, 2013, 11:53:55 AM
I wonder if I could sneak this home and hide it from spousal unit: 

http://springfield.craigslist.org/cto/3828407806.html


My sister took out the flower car and a mourner's Buick in a funeral procession with one of those.  Barley scratched the bumper but she was so shaken they let me drive it home (I didn't have a license but the cop figured it was better I drive, I just had a learners permit). Sis had just gotten her driver's license and had virtually no peripheral vision (they didn't really check back then).  The funeral procession was queued up on the side of the road opposite the parlor on a narrow two lane road.  A front end loader was coming the other way bouncing along taking its whole lane.  Sis saw the bouncing Michigan, jerked the wheel to the right, side swiped the Buick, that startled her, so she over corrected toward the Michigan, nope that was a bad plan, jerked right again and plowed into the flower car. 

Just about the time all this was going on the funeral was coming out.  The guy on the left of the box owned the Buick (very upset to the point of dropping the box and yelling bad things)   It was quite a show.  Sister crying, flower car took a good hit in the middle of the bed, the Buick, probably a '58 with fins, had real damage to the left rear fin, chrome hanging off.  Cop, who was there for the procession, was of the Barney Fife model and pretty useless.  Yup, it was quite a scene.  :rotf: 

Sis was teased unmercifully over that by the kids in the neighborhood who use to run the other way when ever she got behind the wheel.  I only rode with her once after that years later in Norfolk, and it was no less harrowing an experience.  That time I managed to save my two year old niece from going through the windshield taking her full weight on my outstretched arm as Sis locked up the binders to avoid T-boning a driver as someone ran a red light. Kids seats weren't all that well anchored back then either.  Arm hurt for weeks. 

Notice the push button shift?  It was not a flawless system IIRC.  Other than that shifter issue those were a great car.  Built like a tank.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Wineslob on June 12, 2013, 01:50:11 PM
It's worth more if you spell it correctly. :whistling:

Yeah, those guys have some crazy stupid prices.


Ya, ya "a" instead of "e".     :whatever:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 14, 2013, 10:21:55 PM
This is pretty slick.  http://www.southfloridastangs.net/sfsforum/pictures-videos/69085-just-finished-rebuilding-my-1963-ford-fairlane-enjoy.html
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 14, 2013, 10:47:42 PM
Are you going to go look at the one in AL this weekend?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 14, 2013, 10:48:57 PM
yeah, I'll be there around noon.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 14, 2013, 10:50:04 PM
This is pretty slick.  http://www.southfloridastangs.net/sfsforum/pictures-videos/69085-just-finished-rebuilding-my-1963-ford-fairlane-enjoy.html

Call me crazy, but I preferred the exterior of that Fairlane before he cleaned it up. 

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 14, 2013, 11:01:04 PM
'Urban Cammo'
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 14, 2013, 11:02:27 PM
'Urban Cammo'

 :rofl: 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 15, 2013, 06:19:51 PM
:yahoo:

This thing is pretty sweet.  80% of the interior is trashed and needs refurbing or replacing, but the rest of the car is in good shape.  The 260 runs smooth and the 3-speed FordOmatic shifts better than my shitbox Toyota.  Ford managed to make a mid-sized car that handles like a big one.  It feels like a big, floaty boat but still steers well.  I had a blast tearing around the back roads where this guy lived.  It has manual steering but the wheel is so big it doesn't feel like it.  I will need to get a couple sets of cheap bench-seat covers.  The air conditioning works but is probably low on refrigerant.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Wineslob on June 17, 2013, 09:51:44 AM
(http://www.impawards.com/1990/posters/adventures_of_ford_fairlane_ver3.jpg)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 17, 2013, 09:54:19 AM
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/smileys/Smiley_blind.gif) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/smileys/Smiley_blind.gif.html) damn work filter
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 17, 2013, 06:15:04 PM

"My hair!"

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1hgwIPSkDU[/youtube]
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 17, 2013, 07:26:58 PM
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/fomocobook_zps4ecd1c70.png) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/fomocobook_zps4ecd1c70.png.html)

$25 bucks delivered.  :II:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: JLO on June 17, 2013, 10:05:42 PM
I am seriously considering this 1963 Fairlane.  The color is puke, but it has fins.  The '64 for sale in Illinois does not.

http://blacksburg.craigslist.org/cto/3801263839.html

This other '63 needs paint and body work and is a coupe.  I think I like the four-door better.  It has more class.

http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/3800182935.html

If I didn't have stuff to do this weekend, I would drive up and kick the tires on that '64 in Illinois.  It's just over the border from St. Louis.

http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1964-Ford-Fairlane-65651.xhtml?conversationId=270983

I like that '64.

http://www.autotraderclassics.com/scaler/632/473/images/a/2010/03/24/913061/90379237_1269439178502.jpg
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 17, 2013, 10:09:43 PM
I like that '64.

http://www.autotraderclassics.com/scaler/632/473/images/a/2010/03/24/913061/90379237_1269439178502.jpg
You should read the entire thread.  Too much damage and the repair & shipping costs would have been an extra $1,000 at a minimum.

Start here: http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,87876.msg1091182.html#msg1091182 :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 17, 2013, 10:19:25 PM
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/fomocobook_zps4ecd1c70.png) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/fomocobook_zps4ecd1c70.png.html)

$25 bucks delivered.  :II:

Do you have the shop manual already, or did you just get the supplement?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 17, 2013, 10:23:39 PM
I don't know why it says "supplement", but that is the shop manual.  It has a complete table of contents and covers the entire car.

I guess I'll find out later if I screwed up, but it's the only thing for sale.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 17, 2013, 10:57:45 PM
I don't know why it says "supplement", but that is the shop manual.  It has a complete table of contents and covers the entire car.

I guess I'll find out later if I screwed up, but it's the only thing for sale.

I seem to remember seeing them both ways.  Sometimes the supplement is separate, and other times it's listed on the cover, because the printing has been updated to include it.  How many pages does it have?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 18, 2013, 09:20:30 AM
I seem to remember seeing them both ways.  Sometimes the supplement is separate, and other times it's listed on the cover, because the printing has been updated to include it.  How many pages does it have?
I read the description again.  It is a supplement to the original 1961 factory manual that only lists updated items for the 1963 model.

Oh well, it can't be that hard to figure out.  Ford's drum brakes aren't any different than Chevrolet's.  Everything works except for the radio and the horn.
Quote
Here we have an original Ford 1963 FORD FAIRLANE and MERCURY METEOR Shop Manual Supplement. It is a nice original and has all the additional and unique information on the 1963 Fairlane not covered in the regular shop manual. This is a nice addition to anyone's collection and great for your restoration project. Feel free to ask any questions. BOX216
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 19, 2013, 09:00:12 PM
:yahoo: The car has brake lights now.  The pedal switch needed to be replaced.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 20, 2013, 07:54:20 PM
I've been looking for headliner hardware.  Finding the upholstery is easy... the bows that hold it to the roof are a little more difficult. :confused:

I found some for a '64 wagon (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Fairlane-Station-Wagon-Headliner-Bows-/151006072883?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2328a9d033&vxp=mtr), but they're color-coded for the correct shape and placement.  I guess there's not a lot of money in reproducing the hardware.  It looks like the windows have to be removed to install a new headline but the weatherstripping is damaged and needs to be replaced anyway.  The guy I bought it from patched some leaks with silicone.

Found some Mustang ribs for $35.  The Falcon/Comet/Mustang/Fairlane/Torino are all vaguely related.  Maybe they'll fit.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Wineslob on June 21, 2013, 09:51:28 AM
http://www.dearbornclassics.com/
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 21, 2013, 09:54:58 AM
Been there... I've checked half a dozen sites and none of them have the headliner ribs.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Wineslob on June 21, 2013, 12:10:17 PM
Bummer. Looks like the "modify something else" is the only choice.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 23, 2013, 05:29:41 PM
24 hours late, but I got it home.

My impressions after driving it the car for 100+ miles.  The gas tank is full of crud, enough to clog two filters, and will need to be removed and cleaned.  I had the car towed thanks to roadside assistance and a local garage replaced the fuel filter and took me to a hotel (the previous owner left a new filter/gasket in the back seat but never replaced it.  Go figure).  I made it home but as soon as I got off the interstate and slowed down the car immediately bogged down and started sputtering.  I let it sit for an hour, long enough for the sediment to settle to the bottom of the fuel filter and got the car parked in its temporary home. 

The speedometer is off by 10-15 miles an hour.  The coolant temp gauge doesn't work, or the thermostat is not working.  There is wheel shake over 60 mph and the car pulls to one side -- I'm thinking this car needs new tie rods and an alignment.  The weatherstripping around the doors needs to be replaced.  There is an enormous amount of wind noise around the doors.    The spark plug/ignition wires were so old and crusty the car wouldn't start back up if you turned the car off while they were hot.  It also ran like crap.  I put on a new set of wires, but I think this thing will need a new set of points and plugs as well as a valve check/adjustment and probably a new needle/seat for the carburetor.

The good news is that the rods for the headliner are still in the car and the dome light works.  I overlooked those last week.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 23, 2013, 06:59:45 PM
The front end on this car is pretty bouncy.  I was expecting a more plush ride once I got it out onto the road, but it does feel overly-sprung.  Suspension is torsion bars and coil over shocks.  Jerry said he replaced the shocks but I'm wondering what kind he used.

The rear is pretty bad.  I took a steep off-ramp on the interstate and the rear end felt like it wanted to lay down and go to sleep.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 24, 2013, 08:30:28 AM
Original owner card.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963FairlaneOwnersCard_zpsf1ec6b17.jpg)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: obumazombie on June 24, 2013, 12:30:25 PM
Seeing that typewritten owner card brings a wave of nostalgia for the olden day type writers. Even the less antique style typewriters like the IBM selectric.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on June 24, 2013, 02:03:40 PM
Chris if u decide to drop the tank make sure you can get gas tank straps.  I have a crappy tank on the 'cuda and should probably do the same thing but haven't  got around to it in 12 years.  I use a clear inline filter and change it frequently. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 24, 2013, 03:53:01 PM
Chris if u decide to drop the tank make sure you can get gas tank straps.  I have a crappy tank on the 'cuda and should probably do the same thing but haven't  got around to it in 12 years.  I use a clear inline filter and change it frequently. 
I was thinking the same thing.

Any tips on DIY tank cleaning?  I've never had to do it.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on June 24, 2013, 04:21:46 PM
I was thinking the same thing.

Any tips on DIY tank cleaning?  I've never had to do it.

What are the odds that there's a bunch of rust in the tank? At some point in the game, cleaning becomes impractical or impossible and replacement is necessary. Have you priced the cost of a replacement tank?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Wineslob on June 24, 2013, 04:29:03 PM
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Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on June 24, 2013, 04:36:40 PM
I was thinking the same thing.

Any tips on DIY tank cleaning?  I've never had to do it.

I was just looking at the filter I changed the other day it was nasty.  It is about 90 here today, I took a quick spin around and popped the hood when I pulled in to check the new filter.  Not quite as nasty but not that great either.  I may post a couple pics later.  The filter was quite warm as well as crappy.

I have seen new tanks for the 'cuda on Ebay and specialty shops so I would probably go that route but I figure cleaning would involve something like BB's and shaking around.  Saw one guy say he used toilet bowl cleanser, another hydrochloric acid, another vinegar.    
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 24, 2013, 04:39:29 PM
What are the odds that there's a bunch of rust in the tank? At some point in the game, cleaning becomes impractical or impossible and replacement is necessary. Have you priced the cost of a replacement tank?
$250, which is about normal for a reproduction tank.  The straps are another $70.

Toilet bowl cleaner?  Never heard that one.  At this point, I'm just going to drain the tank, flush it clean, and see what progresses from there.  I might even try the toilet bowl cleaner.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 24, 2013, 04:42:09 PM
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It just needs a little work. :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on June 24, 2013, 05:02:01 PM
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Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 24, 2013, 06:49:18 PM
$250, which is about normal for a reproduction tank.  The straps are another $70.

Toilet bowl cleaner?  Never heard that one.  At this point, I'm just going to drain the tank, flush it clean, and see what progresses from there.  I might even try the toilet bowl cleaner.

Have you considered Por-15's tank sealer?  I think it's around $75 or so.  It comes with all the chemicals and stuff to remove the rust and seal it.  We did this on my brother's B, and it turned out good.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 24, 2013, 07:00:19 PM
Have you considered Por-15's tank sealer?  I think it's around $75 or so.  It comes with all the chemicals and stuff to remove the rust and seal it.  We did this on my brother's B, and it turned out good.
Not yet.  We'll call that plan B.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 24, 2013, 08:24:33 PM
I was just looking at the filter I changed the other day it was nasty.  It is about 90 here today, I took a quick spin around and popped the hood when I pulled in to check the new filter.  Not quite as nasty but not that great either.  I may post a couple pics later.  The filter was quite warm as well as crappy.

I have seen new tanks for the 'cuda on Ebay and specialty shops so I would probably go that route but I figure cleaning would involve something like BB's and shaking around.  Saw one guy say he used toilet bowl cleanser, another hydrochloric acid, another vinegar.   
My fuel pump and filter (http://www.dearbornclassics.com/fuel-pump-260-289-ford-and-mercury-1963-1964.html) is in the front, mounted to the engine.  I didn't get a very good look, but I am assuming the hard line goes to the carburetor while the rubber is the feed from the tank.  I could put a clear in-line filter in front of the stock one and see what happens.  Good thing the stock filter element is only five bucks.

I did a little research.  The toilet bowl cleaner (Clorox 'The Works') is a mix of hydrochloric acid and Rodine.   Clorox also has a treehugger version that is mostly citric acid.  Someone recommended using phosphoric acid instead since it would leave a coating of phosphorous behind as a rust and corrosion inhibitor, but the Rodine in The Works supposedly does the same thing.  I have no idea where I would buy phosphoric acid... I don't normally need that kind of stuff.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 24, 2013, 09:05:03 PM
I have no idea where I would buy phosphoric acid... I don't normally need that kind of stuff.

Try a hardware store.  That's where I got mine last.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 24, 2013, 09:06:02 PM
Is it sold under a brand name? 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 24, 2013, 09:09:16 PM
I did notice a couple of things when the car was being hauled onto a flatbed.  There is an undercoating on the car that looks mostly original.  It's peeled off in a few places but the paint looks almost new underneath. 

There is a lower valance panel between the bumper and the engine that is pretty rusted and need to be replaced.  That's going to be a tough find.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 24, 2013, 09:31:22 PM
Is it sold under a brand name? 

Klean-Strip Prep and Etch.  Any good paint store will have it.  Try looking at the concrete cleaners, too. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on June 24, 2013, 09:48:09 PM
Have you considered Por-15's tank sealer?  I think it's around $75 or so.  It comes with all the chemicals and stuff to remove the rust and seal it.  We did this on my brother's B, and it turned out good.

I have not used this brand but tank sealers work great....IF YOU FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS...hehe know peeps that sealed up the petcock shutoff on a scooter with it. It is worth a try if you are going to drop the tank and clean any way. glad you got home with it bud.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 24, 2013, 09:50:35 PM
I'm going to try a simple cleaning and inspect the tank for any damage.  If it's bad enough, I may just replace it.

Considering the time and effort, I'll probably drop the tank, drain it, and haul it back home.  This thing is parked an hour away and there is nothing in Columbia, TN that is worth a damn when it comes to getting stuff done on a weekend.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 25, 2013, 04:00:17 PM
My to-do list came out to about $300, not including tie-rod ends, labor, or new weatherstripping for the doors.  I added new front wheel bearings and tank straps to my parts list.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on June 25, 2013, 05:50:51 PM
This is the filter I just put in the other day.  I put about fifteen miles on it.  Today I bought another one to keep on the shelf.  I also dissected the old one I took off.  I did not get a pic of the amount of gunk from it but it was at least a tablespoon

(http://s9.postimg.org/bw3nm0cnj/DSCF4152.jpg)

I rotated the filter so the gunk would be in the top for this picture.  (180 from the way it was sitting)   
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on June 25, 2013, 06:47:10 PM
A good friend of mine i used to work for who owns a mech shop did the same thing ...his truck had been sitting for years and it stopped running after a few min....tank was full of crap. He cleaned out the tank and then bought a dozen inline filters and ran it till all the crap was pump through....hehe kinda sucks when you are headed somewhere and you have to stop on the side of the road and change a fuel filter ....but worked clean the tank so get a case of filters and you will be good to go.....lol
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 25, 2013, 07:02:10 PM
Holy crap, that "Works" stuff is almost $12 a gallon.  I'm going to pick up a few gallons of apple cider vinegar, a dog chain, and a five-gallon bucket first.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 25, 2013, 07:03:23 PM
This is the filter I just put in the other day.  I put about fifteen miles on it.  Today I bought another one to keep on the shelf.  I also dissected the old one I took off.  I did not get a pic of the amount of gunk from it but it was at least a tablespoon

(http://s9.postimg.org/bw3nm0cnj/DSCF4152.jpg)

I rotated the filter so the gunk would be in the top for this picture.  (180 from the way it was sitting)   
Damn, dude, that's pretty filthy.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 25, 2013, 07:12:43 PM
I'll see your crud-filled fuel filter and raise you a 1966 Buick Special.

[youtube=640,480]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAFoX3jfvzY[/youtube]

I guess it helps if you have a buddy along to share the misery. :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on June 25, 2013, 07:15:21 PM
Damn, dude, that's pretty filthy.

Not compared to what it replaced.

(http://s21.postimg.org/cjlpsmamv/DSCF4155.jpg)

I normally don't let them get this far but that a story for another day.

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 25, 2013, 07:16:32 PM
Wow, that's not a fuel filter, that's a pudding cup.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 25, 2013, 07:19:07 PM
Four-day weekend.  I'm tempted to bring the Ford home and put the MG in storage and drop the  tank on Saturday. 

Glutton for punishment?  Naah.

Actually, I think I'll wait until the tank is relatively clean before I drive it back.  There is a Lowes in Columbia.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on June 25, 2013, 07:20:49 PM
Was just telling tots that I wish you lived closer I would give you a hand...a lot easier to deal with a tank with 2 extra hands....
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 25, 2013, 07:28:31 PM
Was just telling tots that I wish you lived closer I would give you a hand...a lot easier to deal with a tank with 2 extra hands....
There's an Irish kid at work that just bought a Karmann Ghia.  Maybe I can draft him. :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on June 25, 2013, 07:31:52 PM
Wow, that's not a fuel filter, that's a pudding cup.

Yeah, it is the sore spot of the engine bay.

(http://s22.postimg.org/w4pz0intt/DSCF4159.jpg)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 25, 2013, 07:35:26 PM
Oooh, Ram Air straight-six.  Sweet.

That's one hell of an exhaust manifold.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on June 25, 2013, 08:38:24 PM
Buy some Bushmills and Guinness and the Irish kid is putty in your hands.......
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 25, 2013, 08:45:20 PM
Yeah, it is the sore spot of the engine bay.
I'm going to try apple cider vinegar and finish up with "The Works".  That way I can filter and re-use the vinegar.  It might take a couple of days.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUYr_7SwGms[/youtube]
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: JohnnyReb on June 25, 2013, 08:54:20 PM
Change of subject for a minute......talk about mint condition....a 1958 Chevy pickup with just 1.3 miles on it....a 78 Corvette with ??? 4 miles and other old cars with low mileage and the plastic still on the seats.

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/scores-chevys-hidden-50-years-finally-sale-160911547.html


Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on June 25, 2013, 09:08:13 PM
Change of subject for a minute......talk about mint condition....a 1958 Chevy pickup with just 1.3 miles on it....a 78 Corvette with ??? 4 miles and other old cars with low mileage and the plastic still on the seats.

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/scores-chevys-hidden-50-years-finally-sale-160911547.html



That auction will be held in Pierce, Nebraska. I think that's Frank's stomping grounds.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 25, 2013, 09:16:48 PM
Yeah, it is the sore spot of the engine bay.

(http://s22.postimg.org/w4pz0intt/DSCF4159.jpg)

Nice slanty, zeitgest.  What do you have it in?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on June 26, 2013, 03:18:26 PM
Nice slanty, zeitgest.  What do you have it in?

(http://s22.postimg.org/k1d939wn5/cuda13.jpg)
'68  Barracuda Fastback   107K 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on June 26, 2013, 03:24:11 PM
Oooh, Ram Air straight-six.  Sweet.

That's one hell of an exhaust manifold.

OEM Mopar Performance Part  Header.  The stock exhaust was mucho tiny so I put those on and had a larger dia. exhaust system bent up for it.  The shop even welded on a chrome tip gratis they liked the results so much!
 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 26, 2013, 04:36:58 PM
Got my shop manual today.  Took long enough.

Meanwhile, I placed an order for wheel bearings, cap and rotor, a new speedometer cable, and straps for the gas tank. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on June 26, 2013, 09:32:58 PM
Four-day weekend.  I'm tempted to bring the Ford home and put the MG in storage and drop the  tank on Saturday. 

Glutton for punishment?  Naah.

Actually, I think I'll wait until the tank is relatively clean before I drive it back.  There is a Lowes in Columbia.

Are you going to drop the tank clean it and re-install and then bring the car home? Or tow the car home...Holiday weekends might cost more then reg days for towing...got bit with that years ago.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 26, 2013, 10:54:15 PM
Are you going to drop the tank clean it and re-install and then bring the car home? Or tow the car home...Holiday weekends might cost more then reg days for towing...got bit with that years ago.
I was going to drop the tank and bring it home this weekend for cleaning.  Figured I'd pick up a couple of 5-gallon plastic buckets, some sand and pea gravel, and make a cheap drip filter so I don't have to buy more than a few gallons of cider vinegar. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on June 26, 2013, 11:01:33 PM
Hand full of 1/2 or 3/4 nuts and bolts work great for knocking rust loose in a container....easy to get out as well.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 26, 2013, 11:02:11 PM
I'll have to see what I've got hanging around in the garage.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 27, 2013, 06:37:14 PM
Almost done with my shopping.  The parts I ordered should be here by Wednesday, 7/3. 

Still need new weatherstripping, tie rods, and I'm going to buy some KYB adjustable gas shocks to see if I can make the ride a little less bouncy (I'm looking for "plush").
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on June 27, 2013, 09:28:55 PM
The KYB shocks for VW are pretty stiff compared to other brands. I don't know if that is a brand trait or not,don't have that much experience with them...that ride weighs a lot more than a VW ever thought of so might be OK.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 27, 2013, 09:34:00 PM
They're adjustable... There's got to be a "plush" setting somewhere, dammit.

At this point, it rides like my shitbox 3-series with blown shocks.  Riding on springs and way too bouncy.  Yes, the current shocks look new, but I have no idea what kind they are.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on June 27, 2013, 10:24:01 PM
They're adjustable... There's got to be a "plush" setting somewhere, dammit.

At this point, it rides like my shitbox 3-series with blown shocks.  Riding on springs and way too bouncy.  Yes, the current shocks look new, but I have no idea what kind they are.

"Plush" you say.....you are a MG owner damn it!!!!! Plush isn't in your vocab...........hehe I prefer just on this side of kidney jarring..l hate that cruising down the road on a sofa feel.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 27, 2013, 10:31:21 PM
I'm not looking for kidney-jarring... I already have one of those.  I want something that feels solid.  Right now, it just feels bouncy.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 27, 2013, 10:44:33 PM
According to Wikipedia, Chestnut is officially a shade of brown.  The registration says "maroon"... blasphemy.

The Brown Car Appreciation Society (https://www.facebook.com/groups/53967352076/)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on June 27, 2013, 10:55:29 PM
I'm not looking for kidney-jarring... I already have one of those.  I want something that feels solid.  Right now, it just feels bouncy.

isn't bouncy a singer...oh never mind.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 29, 2013, 04:14:13 PM
Got the tank and filter pulled.  I drained about eight gallons of gas from the tank.  It wasn't a nice yellow color... it was more like dirty bathwater.  This is what was left.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/dirtytank_zps4f64f3c5.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/dirtytank_zps4f64f3c5.jpg.html)

I've got the tank soaking in apple cider vinegar right now.  I'll check it in about an hour.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 29, 2013, 08:57:36 PM
The sand and gravel filter I threw together didn't work.  It mostly just got sand everywhere.  I found some paint filter bags at Lowe's and will give them a shot tomorrow. 

I forgot to pull the fuel level float.  Now the mesh screen at the end of the pickup tube is floating around the tank somewhere.  The vinegar seems to be doing a good job picking up the surface rust, but there are some heavy buildup/corrosion spots that are not clearing up.  I think I could have saved all the money I'm spending on cleaning supplies and bought a new tank. 

This guy's tank (http://kzrider.com/forum/6-paint-a-bodywork/513577-de-rusting-a-tank-pics-included) looks pretty foul.  I was hoping to get this done this weekend  Six days?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on June 30, 2013, 07:51:18 AM
At some point in the game, you've got to put a premium on your time, versus the money that might be saved by trying to save that tank. The guy's tank that you linked to was a motorcycle tank, for God's sake, so at the most he put 8-10 gallons of vinegar through it.

A Fairlane tank? What is that, 18 gallons? Times two?

Just get a new tank. There are plenty of other things to tinker with, I'd think.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 30, 2013, 09:51:47 AM
It's not a large tank -- maybe 12 gallons.

edit: the book says 16.  The Ford's gas tank fit in the trunk of my Camry easily.

Another example from the Interwebz:

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/skyrodder/tech/P1020579.jpg) (http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=501717)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on June 30, 2013, 02:51:22 PM
At some point in the game, you've got to put a premium on your time, versus the money that might be saved by trying to save that tank. The guy's tank that you linked to was a motorcycle tank, for God's sake, so at the most he put 8-10 gallons of vinegar through it.

A Fairlane tank? What is that, 18 gallons? Times two?

Just get a new tank. There are plenty of other things to tinker with, I'd think.

Ah yes Eupher, sometimes it's not the destination but the voyage that is important.  (Gee that sounds a lott more like some self help guru than the Flat Rate Motor Manual ). :whistling:  Like my mom was always fond of saying "Patch it up, wear it out, make it do or do without."  Now there are limits to that I grant you, once the cost of vinegar exceeds the cost of the new tank .... :hammer:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on June 30, 2013, 06:57:56 PM
Ah yes Eupher, sometimes it's not the destination but the voyage that is important.  (Gee that sounds a lott more like some self help guru than the Flat Rate Motor Manual ). :whistling:  Like my mom was always fond of saying "Patch it up, wear it out, make it do or do without."  Now there are limits to that I grant you, once the cost of vinegar exceeds the cost of the new tank .... :hammer:

There's the time factor as well. Granted, that may not be as important to some as to others, but to me it's a big deal. If I can't fix it myself in a prudent period of time, or if it's technically beyond me, hey, I'll generally farm it out.

If it's technically beyond me, I often like to help with the task. That way I learn something in the process.

Drowning during the voyage is something I like to avoid.  :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on June 30, 2013, 09:37:10 PM
Chris

I totally understand the do it yourself thing...just ask tots about my head strong ways...but think about it from a engineers point of view at this point. All that rust has thinned out the steel of the tank. leaks will occur in those points at some point. If Mr Murphy has his way it will be at the most inopportune time for you. get a new tank bubba...trust me those pits are bad if that is what you got out of the tank in those buckets.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 30, 2013, 09:39:09 PM
It seems to be working pretty well.  It's only the lower half of the tank that is a mess.  The seal between the top and bottom half of the tank would probably respond better to 'The Works' since it's stronger.  I may have this thing running again by Thursday or Friday afternoon.

I'll let it continue soaking until Wednesday.  I should probably replace the tank, but I wanted to take the car out this weekend. :(
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on June 30, 2013, 09:42:56 PM
Definitely the use some sort of tank sealer is in order. At least it will give you a small bit of reassurance that it wont be leaking...well next week...maybe....hehe
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on June 30, 2013, 09:47:59 PM
Definitely the use some sort of tank sealer is in order. At least it will give you a small bit of reassurance that it wont be leaking...well next week...maybe....hehe


I can attest that JB Weld WILL set up, even with gas seeping out through the rust pinholes on a gas tank.

On my first MG, I had a moist spot on the bottom of the tank, and wasn't sure if it was leaking from the tank, or was just splashed onto the tank.

I found out real fast, after a couple of swipes with a wire brush, when I had about 15 pinholes erupt.  I HAD to have that car going the next day to not miss a Saturday class, so out came the JB Weld.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 30, 2013, 09:48:57 PM
The tank doesn't leak.  I don't any staining or drips.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 01, 2013, 08:33:20 PM
48-hour update... the vinegar seems to be working very well at this point.  I'll try to take some pictures Wednesday.

The tank straps I ordered arrived today.  They weren't supposed to be here for two more days.  The original straps look pretty good other than some road crust.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 01, 2013, 08:58:39 PM
Looking forward to the progress pic update...you know we all love pics...hehe :couch:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 01, 2013, 09:00:12 PM
Got to keep it interesting.

The Irish kid at work has a Karmann-Ghia.  It's a rusty shitbucket, but don't tell him I said that.  He needs a full tank dip on that car.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 01, 2013, 09:09:11 PM
Got to keep it interesting.

The Irish kid at work has a Karmann-Ghia.  It's a rusty shitbucket, but don't tell him I said that.  He needs a full tank dip on that car.

and depending on how old the "kid" is that is probably how he wants it...my shit is rusty cause I worry more how things run than look....its not by design...lol
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 01, 2013, 09:25:27 PM
and depending on how old the "kid" is that is probably how he wants it...my shit is rusty cause I worry more how things run than look....its not by design...lol
He's about my age, maybe a little younger.  He said the VW was for someone else.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 01, 2013, 09:45:10 PM
I thought of your Ford when I saw this, Chris.  I think I'd be sick to go to the auction and see what they bring.  I'd like that 58 Cameo pickup myself. 

http://hooniverse.com/2013/06/30/once-in-a-lifetime-the-lambrecht-chevrolet-company-with-500-vehicles-going-to-auction/



Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 01, 2013, 09:46:08 PM
I thought of your Ford when I saw this, Chris.  I think I'd be sick to go to the auction and see what they bring.  I'd like that 58 Cameo pickup myself. 

http://hooniverse.com/2013/06/30/once-in-a-lifetime-the-lambrecht-chevrolet-company-with-500-vehicles-going-to-auction
I owned a '59.  It was a basic Apache with the Cameo cab and a stepside body.

It was ate up with rust.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 01, 2013, 09:47:09 PM
Moore Pierce, Nebraska is going to get gang-raped by this auction.  The town's population is something like 1,700 people  So many people are going to show up for this thing, it's going to be a nightmare.

Sure, the town will make plenty of money but it's going to be a huge cluster**** until it's over. :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 01, 2013, 09:56:30 PM
Moore, Nebraska is going to get gang-raped by this auction.  The town's population is something like 1,500 people  So many people are going to show up for this thing, it's going to be a nightmare.

Sure, the town will make plenty of money but it's going to be a huge cluster**** until it's over. :-)

I was thinking about going.   :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 01, 2013, 09:58:23 PM
:rofl:

This thing is going to be like getting into Woodstock on the third day.  Miles and miles and miles of traffic.  If you want in, you better leave now.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 01, 2013, 10:04:01 PM
Well I hope there isn't THAT many smelly hippies there....hehe
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 01, 2013, 10:06:30 PM
I still haven't heard how long this is scheduled for.  How many cars does RM Auctions/Barrett-Jackson put across the line in a single day? 

Five hundred cars... I hope you packed a lunch.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 01, 2013, 10:58:21 PM
They've got it schedule to run for two days.  Maybe I'll bring my tent, and camp out. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on July 02, 2013, 11:54:34 AM
Got to keep it interesting.

The Irish kid at work has a Karmann-Ghia.  It's a rusty shitbucket, but don't tell him I said that.  He needs a full tank dip on that car.

That reminded me of one I saw at a 'points' show a few years back. This car was perfect, looked like it had never left the showroom. And it didn't even get an honorable mention. I was amazed at how great condition it was in for a northern car of its age which had never been restored.  Usually Ghia's are more likely to be like your friends unless they have been restored.   That said, it is another body I would consider making into an electric conversion vehicle some day.  
Eta...
Love the auction page wish I could go but it would be like eating peanuts, I would need a car hauler. :rotf:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 03, 2013, 09:33:55 PM
I got plates for the car and my parts arrived today, but I didn't get to my insurance agent in time.  He might be open Friday or Saturday, but I'm not entirely sure.  I can't really drive the car without insurance so I won't be driving it this weekend other than taking it to visit my friend in Columbia.

:(
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 05, 2013, 02:20:23 PM
HOLY CRAP, IT WORKED! :yahoo:

I dumped out the ~4 gallons of vinegar that was in the tank, filled it with a bottle of The Works, and let it sit on each seam for about 15-20 minutes in addition to soaking the bottom of the tank for a few minutes.  This thing looks nearly new.  I rinsed it with a quart of acetone and I'm letting it drip dry after removing the drain plug. 

Wow.  I can't believe how good it looks.  I will try to get some pictures if it stops raining.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 05, 2013, 02:22:03 PM
I will try to get some pictures if it stops raining.

It is still raining there?  Good grief.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 05, 2013, 02:22:22 PM
Cats and dogs (http://www.weather.com/weather/map/interactive/37214:4?interactiveMapLayer=radar&baseMap=r&zoom=7). :(
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 05, 2013, 04:47:35 PM
No luck getting pictures.  I will try again later.

The rodine left a green coating but I'm not seeing any additional rust.  I'll find out how well it worked tomorrow when I put it back on the car and take it for a drive.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 05, 2013, 05:00:47 PM
Did you blow out your fuel lines?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 05, 2013, 05:04:17 PM
Not yet.  There's no electrical outlet for me to use at this storage unit... I'm not sure how else to do it.

Hagerty updated my policy.  It only cost me an extra $10.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: obumazombie on July 05, 2013, 05:23:44 PM
Cats and dogs (http://www.weather.com/weather/map/interactive/37214:4?interactiveMapLayer=radar&baseMap=r&zoom=7). :(
Did you step in any poodles ?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 05, 2013, 06:25:53 PM
Not yet.  There's no electrical outlet for me to use at this storage unit... I'm not sure how else to do it.

Hagerty updated my policy.  It only cost me an extra $10.

Oh, I didn't know you were keeping at a storage unit.  I guess the only way you could do it is if you had a portable air tank, then.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 05, 2013, 06:33:34 PM
That's one of the provisions of my Hagerty policy... it has to be garaged.  Right now, it's way out in Columbia, TN.

I should have it home tomorrow.  I'll put the MG in the storage unit until I get rid of the Accord.  That dirtbag finally sent me the title.  It arrived yesterday.  One of the women at work may want to buy it for her son.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 05, 2013, 07:30:37 PM
What happened with the Accord's title? 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 05, 2013, 07:35:44 PM
What happened with the Accord's title? 
He never transferred it over from the previous owner he purchased it from.  He drove it until their tags expired and put it up for sale.  I sent the title back to him and expected him to follow through on transferring it to him so I had a clean title to hand over to the DMV.  He never did... I bugged him for six months and he didn't do anything -- never answered my phone calls or text messages -- until I sent him a certified letter with a SASE. 

I followed up with the state and they will allow me to transfer it from the current owner to myself so I can sell the damn thing.  I think they called it an 'uncooperative owner' or some such term.

I never received my certified mail receipt (green card) either.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 06, 2013, 09:34:46 AM
Hey Chris glad the tank cleanup worked...would like to see the pics when you get them. Might need to put that method in the old bad o tricks for future use.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 06, 2013, 09:47:35 AM
If I had to do it again, I would have skipped the vinegar and gone straight to The Works.  A little bit goes a long way.

Be sure to do it outside and wear rubber gloves... that stuff is evil.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 06, 2013, 09:50:59 AM
If I had to do it again, I would have skipped the vinegar and gone straight to The Works.  A little bit goes a long way.

Be sure to do it outside and wear rubber gloves... that stuff is evil.


Hope you didn't learn that little tidbit by to much personal experience.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 06, 2013, 09:53:33 AM
I inhaled a little bit of it, but managed to get away unscathed. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 06, 2013, 11:33:07 AM
I inhaled a little bit of it, but managed to get away unscathed. 

Are you sure?  How many fingers am I holding up?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 06, 2013, 09:10:13 PM
Good news, I found a few more suppliers. 

http://classicautoparts.com/
http://www.dennis-carpenter.com/

DC has a replacement steering wheel.  It's for a 60-63 Falcon, but it should fit.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 06, 2013, 09:17:11 PM
What does your steering wheel look like now?  Is it all sticky, or is it cracked? 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 06, 2013, 09:18:31 PM
It's got cracks all over it.  It's pretty bad.

I see a repair kit for $44 but I'm not sure I could make it look good enough.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 06, 2013, 09:47:43 PM
I found some replacement weatherstripping for the 4-door sedan... it's about $100.  The 2-door is more common, but the doors are longer and it won't fit the other car.

The wind noise is pretty bad.  It doesn't do anything for long trips.  All the rubber on this car needs replacing.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 09, 2013, 08:43:29 PM
Uck.  I was looking up the paint codes and this car has a metallic finish.  Not what I wanted to hear.

Check out this Ranchero (http://www.autotraderclassics.com/car-article/Restoring+Single+Stage+Paint%3A+Part+1-65310.xhtml).
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 09, 2013, 09:35:01 PM
Steering wheel restoration:

[youtube=640,480]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isF_zDPCiwg[/youtube]
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 09, 2013, 10:25:57 PM
Very cool. I have never seen that POR 15 putty. i know of allot of their other products...have to keep that in mind. Thx Chris.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 09, 2013, 10:34:25 PM
Very cool. I have never seen that POR 15 putty. i know of allot of their other products...have to keep that in mind. Thx Chris.
I found this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEQ-WBHfuwU) earlier today.  He's using a different type, but it looks like any epoxy putty would work.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 09, 2013, 11:12:05 PM
How bad is your steering wheel?  I was going to suggest a filler to restore it, but I assumed it was beyond repair. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 09, 2013, 11:16:54 PM
The cracks are all roughly the same size, about 1-2mm.  There's a bunch of them and they're all pretty evenly distributed but I didn't see any hairline cracks.  The material seems to be solid... it's not dried out and crumbling.  It's almost like Bakelite.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Wineslob on July 10, 2013, 12:10:26 PM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/21995_435115469894398_1907034814_n.jpg)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 10, 2013, 12:11:24 PM
:rofl:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 10, 2013, 06:20:22 PM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/21995_435115469894398_1907034814_n.jpg)

OMFG!!!!! I about spit out my Beer.....love it
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 11, 2013, 08:48:19 PM
I'm considering picking up an Edelbrock Performer 4bbl intake to replace the stock 2-barrel intake.  I can get an intake for under $200 and a junkyard carburetor for rebuilding.  Another planned upgrade is to replace the mechanical fan with an electrical one.

It would be a winter project, along with having all the shocks on my MGB rebuilt.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: CG6468 on July 12, 2013, 01:36:29 PM
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp6PkRTmb8U[/youtube]
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 13, 2013, 09:51:14 PM
Finally got this thing home.  I'm pretty sure I'm going to need a new battery. 

I stopped for gas and the thing wouldn't fire up again after I filled up.  I drained my jumper pack because the battery was low when I got there this afternoon.  Looks like I will be stopping by WalMart for a cheapo replacement.  Also, none of the dash bulbs work... that was a fun drive.

Going to have to look at the tie-rods on this thing.  And the brakes.  The steering goes one way, the brakes go in another.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 13, 2013, 10:03:10 PM
Finally got this thing home.  I'm pretty sure I'm going to need a new battery. 

I stopped for gas and the thing wouldn't fire up again after I filled up.  I drained my jumper pack because the battery was low when I got there this afternoon.  Looks like I will be stopping by WalMart for a cheapo replacement.  Also, none of the dash bulbs work... that was a fun drive.

Going to have to look at the tie-rods on this thing.  And the brakes.  The steering goes one way, the brakes go in another.

Dash bulbs not working...if it ALL there might be fuse/ground issue. As for the brakes yea that kind of thing is common for cars that sit a long time.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 13, 2013, 10:06:42 PM
Jerry said he put in new wheel cylinders, but he didn't say if he replaced any of the hardware.  I bought a new set of springs and pins for both front wheels just in case.

The rubber lines will probably need to be replaced.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 13, 2013, 10:26:32 PM
Yep the Firebird currently has four wheel drums.....and if the stars aren't aligned just right you pull or shake at speed etc. When I used to go to the track years ago I would pass through the trap at over 100 and would just make the last pit exit with the wheels squealing....lol drum brakes suck. I will be going to disk when it hits the pavement again, maybe all four wheels. But will have to do some parts sourcing cause I am not going to buy a "kit".  :p
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on July 14, 2013, 07:59:04 AM
And then there is the story of the self adjusters which were put on the wrong sides...  I will have to see if I still have the pictures.  Yes, the "Cuda" is all original, including the small bolt four wheel drum brakes.  I have thought about the upgrade to front disk a thousand times and end up in an infinite loop of ' keep it all original or upgrade '   Once you pop that cherry it is never the same, each new mod gets easier and easier until you have a repli-car, a Franken-auto if you will. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 14, 2013, 10:44:01 AM
And then there is the story of the self adjusters which were put on the wrong sides...  I will have to see if I still have the pictures.  Yes, the "Cuda" is all original, including the small bolt four wheel drum brakes.  I have thought about the upgrade to front disk a thousand times and end up in an infinite loop of ' keep it all original or upgrade '   Once you pop that cherry it is never the same, each new mod gets easier and easier until you have a repli-car, a Franken-auto if you will. 

I hear ya....the Firebird was a grandma special when I got it no options really except a/c (which I kept) 350 cid 2 bbl carb/ 2 speed auto th200 if remember correctly, power steering and power brakes. I promptly pulled said motor and trans when i was 18 and replaced with a 400 cid 4 bbl / TH400. kept all options and there were a lot of speed parts....replaced the rear end with a 3.55 out of a 67 Firebird. It had like 2.73 or something. The car with the original 2 speed would do like 70 in first, but not a burn out in site...lol. This body style and options was the run of the mill so I really don't have a problem with all the upgrades / changes. I will never get rid of the car so i'm making it mine. It would be a different ball of wax if it was originally a 400 car or original 4 speed car, they were not a dime a dozen. By the time I'm done (hopefully) there will be a shortened rear end and a de-stroked 455 with 5 speed manual pushing it through the air....oh and 4 wheel disk  ::)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 14, 2013, 07:21:22 PM
Bought a replacement battery.  It fires up almost immediately now. 

This transmission is a piece of crap.  There is supposed to be a vacuum shift modulator or some kind of kickdown adjust, but this thing keeps slamming down into first coming to a stop.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 14, 2013, 09:08:49 PM
Bought a replacement battery.  It fires up almost immediately now. 

This transmission is a piece of crap.  There is supposed to be a vacuum shift modulator or some kind of kickdown adjust, but this thing keeps slamming down into first coming to a stop.

Is there no sort of modulator at all?  Does this help?

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=658338&showall=1
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 14, 2013, 09:13:40 PM
There is supposed to be a vacuum modulator with an adjust screw attached to the transmission.  I haven't had the air cleaner off long enough to see any kickdown hardware, or under the car to find any modulator.

edit: http://www.dearbornclassics.com/ford-shift-modulator-valve-automatic-transmission.html

I did put on the seat cover to cover up that horrible duct tape/residue on the seat.  Priorities. :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 14, 2013, 09:32:05 PM
I'm not a ford guy but transmissions are "usually" similar, the adjustable module will be on the trans and there will be a vacuum line attached there is usually a slot screwdriver adjustment in the vacuum line port. It is a fine adjustment so do small adjustments and then test.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 14, 2013, 09:37:37 PM
I found the part... I just need to locate it on the car.  The notes I read said to turn clockwise to increase the RPM shift point and vice versa.  I think it may be set too low or needs to be replaced.  The fluid in the transmission is clean and looks new.

http://www.dearbornclassics.com/ford-shift-modulator-valve-automatic-transmission.html
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 14, 2013, 09:44:20 PM
well when you remove the vacuum line if trans fluid leaks out of the line change the module it is bad and is leaking.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 14, 2013, 09:47:10 PM
Haven't got that far yet.  I don't even know where this thing is located. :p

It could just be a vacuum leak.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 14, 2013, 10:48:08 PM
How bad is the seat? 

I just got done replacing the seat on my old dodge truck for $28 at the u-pull-it.  A found a seat in a 63 Dodge truck that somebody had recently had completely redone with vinyl. 

With my old seat, on the driver's side it was mostly duct tape.  On the passenger side, it would have looked new, had I cleaned it.  The springs were gone and everything on the driver's side.  It had some serious bachelor lean going on.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 14, 2013, 10:54:44 PM
The passenger side is fine.  The upholstery on the driver's side has completely fallen apart and one of the previous owners covered the entire thing with duct tape.  It stinks, the duct tape is filthy, and leaves a sticky mess on you if you sit on it.  It's still usable, hence the seat cover.

I would spring for a replacement bench, but I want to have the original seat recovered.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 15, 2013, 12:27:48 AM
The passenger side is fine.  The upholstery on the driver's side has completely fallen apart and one of the previous owners covered the entire thing with duct tape.  It stinks, the duct tape is filthy, and leaves a sticky mess on you if you sit on it.  It's still usable, hence the seat cover.

I would spring for a replacement bench, but I want to have the original seat recovered.

Yup, sounds exactly like the seat in my old Dodge.  I was just going to put a cover on it, and stuff it in with some foam, before I found that seat for so cheap.

Are you going to go with cloth, vinyl, or cloth/vinyl?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on July 15, 2013, 01:36:10 PM
I hear ya....the Firebird was a grandma special when I got it no options really except a/c (which I kept) 350 cid 2 bbl carb/ 2 speed auto th200 if remember correctly, power steering and power brakes. I promptly pulled said motor and trans when i was 18 and replaced with a 400 cid 4 bbl / TH400. kept all options and there were a lot of speed parts....replaced the rear end with a 3.55 out of a 67 Firebird. It had like 2.73 or something. The car with the original 2 speed would do like 70 in first, but not a burn out in site...lol. This body style and options was the run of the mill so I really don't have a problem with all the upgrades / changes. I will never get rid of the car so i'm making it mine. It would be a different ball of wax if it was originally a 400 car or original 4 speed car, they were not a dime a dozen. By the time I'm done (hopefully) there will be a shortened rear end and a de-stroked 455 with 5 speed manual pushing it through the air....oh and 4 wheel disk  ::)

I have been watching a Z28 slowly rotting away just down the road.  Sad.  Looks like maybe a 70's era. I can't understand why thy don't sell it.  It just sits there on four flat tires.  It would be a great project for someone. (not me).  Then there is the Studebaker Hawk rotting in the same neighborhood.   :bawl: 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on July 15, 2013, 01:53:38 PM
Haven't got that far yet.  I don't even know where this thing is located. :p

It could just be a vacuum leak.

 In my wild and misspent 'ute ('67) I bought a used ('62?) Ford Falcon.   Interesting vehicle.  Had vacuum operated wipers and no heater (it was a Floriduh car, Miami to be exact).  It you hit the gas when it was raining (in Miami it can rain with a clear blue sky) the wipers would stop momentarily.  Um, no.  Not a good thing in blinding rain.  But then that was the least of its problems.  It also featured the two speed mystery shift Ford transmission.  It sort or flowed into and out of gear not the solid shift I had been use to with Mopar or even Chevy automatics. It was called Rupert the Rolling Bagel, which I got rid of as fast as possible.  Didn't have another Ford until I got a '96 Winstar which shifted fine but had a host of other issues. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 15, 2013, 02:02:30 PM
:thatsright::banghead::maddernhell:

Stranded again.  I knew I should have bought a new battery cable yesterday.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 15, 2013, 02:04:49 PM
I have been watching a Z28 slowly rotting away just down the road.  Sad.  Looks like maybe a 70's era. I can't understand why thy don't sell it.  It just sits there on four flat tires. 
... on the wet grass as it rusts from the bottom up.

I hate those kinds of people.  "I'm saving it."  Not like that, you're not.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on July 15, 2013, 02:34:13 PM
... on the wet grass as it rusts from the bottom up.

I hate those kinds of people.  "I'm saving it."  Not like that, you're not.

Actually it is on tar but in New England and outdoors it gets covered in snow.  Looks good from fifty feet but I can imagine what it looks like up close and personal. 

For chuckles I looked up the cost of putting disks up front on 'Cuda.  Part kits run about 8 bills but it also requires a rim (bolt pattern changes). Of course rally wheels would be nice along with an 8 3/4 rear with ten inch drums.  $$$$ $igh.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Wineslob on July 15, 2013, 02:48:46 PM
Quote
I have been watching a Z28 slowly rotting away just down the road.  Sad.  Looks like maybe a 70's era. I can't understand why thy don't sell it.  It just sits there on four flat tires.  It would be a great project for someone. (not me).  Then there is the Studebaker Hawk rotting in the same neighborhood



Sounds like my 72' split bumper. Can't afford to fix it up and the wife won't let me sell it.    :p
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 15, 2013, 07:47:52 PM
Got that taken care of.  The old ground cable was toast... the insulation was falling off and the exposed wire was rusty and corroded.  The replacement I picked up was almost too short but I got it to fit and the car seems to be running well now.  It could use a tune-up

For chuckles I looked up the cost of putting disks up front on 'Cuda.  Part kits run about 8 bills but it also requires a rim (bolt pattern changes). Of course rally wheels would be nice along with an 8 3/4 rear with ten inch drums.  $$$$ $igh.
I can always use the standard Granada/Mustang II spindles.  The "kit" is basically an adapter that you braise on to the base of the spindle.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 15, 2013, 08:34:20 PM
Glad you got it running again Chris...and it was easy fix.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 15, 2013, 10:10:13 PM
I knew it was too good to be true... damn car is back to running like crap again.  I drove it down to the office on Music Valley Drive because I left my computer there and I'm on call this week.  I think the alternator may be toast or the ground cable isn't secured, but my multimeter went on the fritz before I could test anything.  It's also acting like the fuel filter may be clogged again.  The symptoms are similar.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 16, 2013, 10:26:52 AM
Ordered a new gas tank.   :banghead:

I guess I can work on cleaning the car until it arrives.  I'm interested in seeing how this Meguiars #7 works out.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 16, 2013, 05:30:01 PM
Got a new voltmeter.  The battery measured 12.4v with the engine off and 13.4-13.7 at idle.  It's GOT to be the fuel system.

Meanwhile, I'm looking forward to putting some polish on this thing.  It's going to look sweet.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 16, 2013, 07:09:26 PM
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/1963Fairlane5003_zps2907fdc4.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/1963Fairlane5003_zps2907fdc4.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 16, 2013, 08:21:44 PM
WOW its in fairly good shape...how did you manage that bud....hehe
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 16, 2013, 08:24:17 PM
WOW its in fairly good shape...how did you manage that bud....hehe
It's amazing how nice a tiny, little picture makes it look. :-)

It's going to look nice when I get to work on it.  It's just the inside that's going to cost me some coin.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 16, 2013, 08:30:29 PM
It's amazing how nice a tiny, little picture makes it look. :-)

It's going to look nice when I get to work on it.  It's just the inside that's going to cost me some coin.

They all cost coin. What I have found working at shops years ago that do restoration work is sometimes it is better and cheaper to get a local upholstery shop that is reputable and likes old rides (cause they will do it correctly and to original specs). There is a few shops here that has been here for years and they do fine work. One specializes in muscle care era interiors and custom street rods.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 16, 2013, 08:39:28 PM
I ordered some "reproduction" seat covers for my 280ZX... nowhere close.  The seams were off, it was missing some trim pieces.  I was pissed.  I'm going to call a couple of vendors and ask them for detailed pictures before I start ordering upholstery.

As soon as I can get it washed, I'm going to claybar it.  It should be an improvement.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 16, 2013, 09:20:17 PM
I ordered some "reproduction" seat covers for my 280ZX... nowhere close.  The seams were off, it was missing some trim pieces.  I was pissed.  I'm going to call a couple of vendors and ask them for detailed pictures before I start ordering upholstery.

As soon as I can get it washed, I'm going to claybar it.  It should be an improvement.

Claybars are battlehymn's kryptonite.  I always manage to drop them, which ruins them. 

I'm on my third bar or fourth bar, and have never actually used one up. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 16, 2013, 09:23:12 PM
:rofl: Can't you just rinse it off with water?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 16, 2013, 09:31:52 PM
:rofl: Can't you just rinse it off with water?

I've tried that before, and you can't ever get them clean again.  Once they get a nice dusting of driveway or garage dirt on them, they're spent.  It's like trying to pick grains of sand out of play-doh.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 16, 2013, 09:37:15 PM
I have a sealed driveway.  Maybe I'll be okay.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 16, 2013, 09:52:02 PM
I have a sealed driveway.  Maybe I'll be okay.


Just imagine if you missed even one tiny grain of dirt, and drug it across the middle of a smooth, flat panel of paint.  :-)

I've found the easiest thing to do is drive cars that I don't worry about the paint on anymore.   :whistling:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 16, 2013, 09:56:57 PM
True, but I'm willing to sacrifice a few bars of clay for a shiny, clear finish.  We're talking about doubling the value of this car with a few days effort.

This thing is going to be sweet.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 16, 2013, 10:45:43 PM

Just imagine if you missed even one tiny grain of dirt, and drug it across the middle of a smooth, flat panel of paint.  :-)

I've found the easiest thing to do is drive cars that I don't worry about the paint on anymore.   :whistling:
I usually tend to be in the same boat as BattleHymn :rofl:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on July 17, 2013, 11:14:07 AM
I usually tend to be in the same boat as BattleHymn :rofl:

I just finished up giving the Coach a Brazilian, it is a big job, a lot of wax on an wax off. I will up load some pics when I get a minute. 

You really don't want a grain of sand in the clay bar. Better to get a new one.  I use Maguire's spray detailer when clay baring, but used Mother's Step 2 Brazilian Cleaner and a Porter Cable buffer on the Coach .  Clay baring the Coach?  Not going to happen. :whatever:

It was 116 deg in  sun in the backyard when I came in although the coach was in the shade.  Air temp had to be in the 80+ range so it was getting to hot to apply wax if I hadn't already finished.   

Nice pics Chris.  Seat covers?  Get an upholsterer it will be cheaper in the long run.  Heck head to TJ for a Vacay and get it done there.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on July 17, 2013, 11:19:06 AM
WTF is a claybar???

Is that like a claymore with the warning printed wrong?   :evillaugh:



 :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 17, 2013, 11:23:29 AM
It's... a bar of clay.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/25304-secret-removing-oxidation-restoring-show-car-finish-antique-single-stage-paints.html#post313910
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on July 17, 2013, 11:35:13 AM
It's... a bar of clay.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/25304-secret-removing-oxidation-restoring-show-car-finish-antique-single-stage-paints.html#post313910

Interesting. Never would've thunk that a bar of clay takes off oxidation and above-surface contaminants.

I won't be doing that kinda work anytime soon, though.  :tongue:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on July 17, 2013, 11:43:45 AM
(http://s13.postimg.org/xcwy6hmn7/DSCF4222.jpg)

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Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on July 17, 2013, 11:47:54 AM
Interesting. Never would've thunk that a bar of clay takes off oxidation and above-surface contaminants.

I won't be doing that kinda work anytime soon, though.  :tongue:

Its a labor of love.   Of course in the Navy we had a saying "work it may, shine it must." 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 17, 2013, 11:59:09 AM
If I can make my $2,700 car look like a $5,000 car with a few hours of work, that's money in my pocket.  My insurance uses declared value on my policy, so every bit helps.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 17, 2013, 09:03:36 PM
Interesting. Never would've thunk that a bar of clay takes off oxidation and above-surface contaminants.

I won't be doing that kinda work anytime soon, though.  :tongue:

HAHA well wont do anything I own any good...but will keep it in the "ole bag o tricks" for later.  :II:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 17, 2013, 09:06:19 PM
What condition is that Opel in?  I thought it had something that looked like paint on it. :rofl:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 17, 2013, 09:11:07 PM
What condition is that Opel in?  I thought it had something that looked like paint on it. :rofl:

Yea the PO painted the car. The base coat was done right with the exception of where he covered rust....but you cant spray clear on at .050 thick... :rofl: it just peels off in sheets. And you cant put Bondo on at a thickness of .250 ....just to much. :hammer:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 17, 2013, 09:15:12 PM
Yea the PO painted the car.
Say no more.

I'm really lucky.  There's not a chip or scratch on this car aside from the damage on the right rear quarter that's been Bondo'd and painted over.  My brother mentioned the fins might not be level, but I haven't broken out the straight edge and laser level to verify.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 17, 2013, 09:42:26 PM
Say no more.

I'm really lucky.  There's not a chip or scratch on this car aside from the damage on the right rear quarter that's been Bondo'd and painted over.  My brother mentioned the fins might not be level, but I haven't broken out the straight edge and laser level to verify.

Do yourself a favor and just enjoy the car for a while. Don't go checking stuff with a strait edge....I have that disease BAD! so trust me just take one thing at a time or it will cause you sleepless nights. On a lighter note I hope that clay bar does your paint some good....it don't look to bad from the pics. I am interested how well it works.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 17, 2013, 09:45:25 PM
The one design element that bugs me is the giant greenhouse.  I don't care for modern aesthetics that do the exact opposite, but riding around in a short car with a giant bubble on top is kind of weird.

That's my only complaint.  I remember my friend's '72 Scamp was the same way.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 17, 2013, 09:52:30 PM
Nice pics Chris.  Seat covers?  Get an upholsterer it will be cheaper in the long run.  Heck head to TJ for a Vacay and get it done there.
The seat covers are temporary, to keep the duct tape and old stink off my clothes.  They were only $30.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 17, 2013, 10:00:03 PM
The one design element that bugs me is the giant greenhouse.  I don't care for modern aesthetics that do the exact opposite, but riding around in a short car with a giant bubble on top is kind of weird.

That's my only complaint.  I remember my friend's '72 Scamp was the same way.

HAHA man it the Jetsons don't ya know...that was the thing the auto designers did in the early to mid 60 was make more room man....all the hot rodders chopped the top and sectioned the body to get rid of the room....lol
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: CG6468 on July 18, 2013, 10:01:50 AM
HAHA man it the Jetsons don't ya know...that was the thing the auto designers did in the early to mid 60 was make more room man....all the hot rodders chopped the top and sectioned the body to get rid of the room....lol

Chopped and dropped the top, sectioned the body. Ah, the memories.......  :wink:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Mike B the Cajun on July 18, 2013, 05:02:07 PM
I can remember my oldest brother's '50 Mercury "lead sled"... chopped and dropped, channeled, not a bit of bondo on it...  sumbitch weighed about 500 lbs. more than stock!!! Those were the days!!   :o  :-)  :hyper:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on July 19, 2013, 07:49:07 AM
I bet a lot of people never heard of using lead instead of bondo.   I had am MGB that had had work done on the hood before I got it with bondo that spider cracked something awful.  The guy who re-did it was an old school guy who used lead.  Never had a problem after that.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 19, 2013, 03:43:40 PM
I can remember my oldest brother's '50 Mercury "lead sled"... chopped and dropped, channeled, not a bit of bondo on it...  sumbitch weighed about 500 lbs. more than stock!!! Those were the days!!   :o  :-)  :hyper:

Lead Sled anyone?  :cheersmate:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 19, 2013, 04:35:23 PM
I bet a lot of people never heard of using lead instead of bondo.   I had am MGB that had had work done on the hood before I got it with bondo that spider cracked something awful.  The guy who re-did it was an old school guy who used lead.  Never had a problem after that.

The c-pillars and roof panel on my 66 Toronado were blended with lead from the factory.  At least I think it was factory, because the original paint was over the lead.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 19, 2013, 06:44:29 PM
The Firebird is the same on the quarters to the roof seam...factory lead. It is a lost art...but the guys that can still do it are amazing.

For those that don't know about the technique here is a short article with pictures of the guy working lead.

http://www.musclecarrestorations.com/articles/tech/metal-work/quarter-panel-leading.html
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: CG6468 on July 19, 2013, 07:11:33 PM
A guy I knew back in 1960-61 had a '56 Merc. It had so much lead in it that no one believed it.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 19, 2013, 08:47:49 PM
My new gas tank arrived.  I'm a little annoyed... I told them to deliver it to me at work.  I just found it sitting by the front door at home.  But on the other hand, I should be able to go for a drive and not have my car stop running. 

It may rain tomorrow.  I guess that would be a good time to replace the bulbs in the dash.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 19, 2013, 11:05:30 PM
Hmm. :devious:

This looks like an interesting upgrade (http://home.bresnan.net/~dazed/drop).
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on July 20, 2013, 05:58:32 AM
Looks like a real complex job.  :bolt:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 20, 2013, 11:16:23 AM
Looks like a real complex job.  :bolt:

I wouldn't say that.  The most complex part of the job appears to be making sure that the holes you drill out are where they need to be.  Measure three times, and drill once.  If you make a mistake and have a few holes that are wrong, just tell your friends those are speed holes you put in, for lightening purposes. :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 20, 2013, 12:26:15 PM
I wouldn't say that.  The most complex part of the job appears to be making sure that the holes you drill out are where they need to be.  Measure three times, and drill once.  If you make a mistake and have a few holes that are wrong, just tell your friends those are speed holes you put in, for lightening purposes. :-)
Don't tell anyone, but you can buy a template with the holes already marked.

The hardest part to me looks like getting the spring out without killing yourself.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 20, 2013, 12:32:43 PM
Don't tell anyone, but you can buy a template with the holes already marked.

Yeah, I saw that.  The cost of the templates is justified, based on amount of time it would take me to get the right metal, measure it, cut it out, cut the pilot holes, and then measure it all again.

I am unsure if those templates will work for your application.  Do you know if they will?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 20, 2013, 01:12:40 PM
Yeah, I saw that.  The cost of the templates is justified, based on amount of time it would take me to get the right metal, measure it, cut it out, cut the pilot holes, and then measure it all again.

I am unsure if those templates will work for your application.  Do you know if they will?
I think it should since the Fairlane and Mustang are both based on the Falcon.  I've seen people say it worked on their cars.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on July 20, 2013, 02:13:24 PM
Don't tell anyone, but you can buy a template with the holes already marked.

The hardest part to me looks like getting the spring out without killing yourself.

Yeah - this is what makes the job fairly complex. If you've done that type of job before and you've got the tools and the time, probably not a big deal. But compressing springs ain't in my genes.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 20, 2013, 06:23:06 PM
Yeah - this is what makes the job fairly complex. If you've done that type of job before and you've got the tools and the time, probably not a big deal. But compressing springs ain't in my genes.

Yea spring are no joke. I have done dozens of front end jobs over the years of being a mechanic in my previous life... :) If you haven't dealt with springs before please find a friend that has to help...I have a friend that is a ford guy that has an old Torino. He has done a lot of front end mustang mods if you would like I can get you in touch with him ....I also have a few other friends that are familiar with your ride. I will ask what advice they will give you if you like bud.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 20, 2013, 07:42:09 PM
:bawl: No improvement.  It loses pressure immediately after being shut off and conked out again at a red light on the way home.  I wonder if the fuel pump may be failing or not holding pressure.  I don't see any fuel leaks.

It's a good thing fuel pumps aren't expensive.

I replaced the fuel filter in the tank but have not replaced the one attached to the fuel pump.  It's still the one I was using last week with the old crud-filled tank.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 20, 2013, 07:48:45 PM
:bawl: No improvement.  It loses pressure immediately after being shut off and conked out again at a red light on the way home.  I wonder if the fuel pump may be failing or not holding pressure.  I don't see any fuel leaks.

It's a good thing fuel pumps aren't expensive.

I replaced the fuel filter in the tank but have not replaced the one attached to the fuel pump.  It's still the one I was using last week with the old crud-filled tank.

Are you running a mechanical fuel pump?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 20, 2013, 07:50:57 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 20, 2013, 07:59:51 PM
Cool, the NAPA store has one in stock.  That store's been there for decades... they have all kinds of parts in stock.

Looks like I'll be picking up one tomorrow. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 20, 2013, 08:01:20 PM


Does it take a few seconds to start?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 20, 2013, 08:01:53 PM
Yes, it does.  I have to pump the accelerator to fill the carb.

It also misses when it's hot, but that could be something else.  I picked up a cap and rotor, new plugs, and a new thermostat as well.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 20, 2013, 08:04:19 PM
Yeah, I'd say that's one of your problems then.  DO you have a Mity-vac, or something else that you could use to apply vacuum to one side of the fuel pump's diaphragm? 

I'm wondering if a bunch of rust particles and other debris didn't wipe out your pump's diaphragm. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 20, 2013, 09:22:19 PM
Yeah, I'd say that's one of your problems then.  DO you have a Mity-vac, or something else that you could use to apply vacuum to one side of the fuel pump's diaphragm? 

I'm wondering if a bunch of rust particles and other debris didn't wipe out your pump's diaphragm. 
I have one somewhere.  I tried to find it earlier today.

A replacement pump and filter is about $40.  Might as well pick one up tomorrow, but it's raining again and probably will be all day Sunday.  It's coming down in buckets right now.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 20, 2013, 09:51:20 PM
Yeah, I'd say that's one of your problems then.  DO you have a Mity-vac, or something else that you could use to apply vacuum to one side of the fuel pump's diaphragm? 

I'm wondering if a bunch of rust particles and other debris didn't wipe out your pump's diaphragm. 

 :II: he has the ticket...diagnostics id your friend not parts change.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 20, 2013, 10:03:53 PM
:II: he has the ticket...diagnostics id your friend not parts change.
I have a fuel pressure gauge but I don't know if that would have helped in this case.  I've never dealt with a mechanical fuel pump, so this is all news to me.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 20, 2013, 10:27:41 PM
I have a fuel pressure gauge but I don't know if that would have helped in this case.  I've never dealt with a mechanical fuel pump, so this is all news to me.

If you don't mind the taste of a little bit of gas, you can always plug one end of the pump with your thumb or something, and suck on the other end, then plug it with your tongue.  If it's a really bad leak, you'll feel the vacuum leaking. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 20, 2013, 10:29:08 PM
I did that earlier with the fuel pickup unit.  It was clear and had no obstructions but I put in a new filter anyway.  The only thing left in the fuel system was the pump.  When I pulled the fuel pickup unit, it was coated with rust particles from the old tank.  Did not look good.

I'm a little upset, I missed the free carwash today.  There's always one in this neighborhood with willing urchins to work for slave wages.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 20, 2013, 10:59:27 PM
Other than the purchase price of the car, my outlay has been about $600, maybe $700 so far, and that includes the claybar and Meguiars I bought last month.

I'm trying to keep it under control. :p
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 21, 2013, 08:31:06 PM
I do believe that problem has been fixed.  I was able to shut the car off after driving it to the store and back, restart it, and move it across the driveway.  It doesn't seem to be sputtering and surging like it was before.  I saved the old fuel pump and I'm going to take it apart for a look.

Another problem has occurred.  The trunk won't open and my tools are in there. :(
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 21, 2013, 08:34:46 PM
Another problem has occurred.  The trunk won't open and my tools are in there. :(

That sucks.  Be glad they're not stuck in your B's trunk.  It happened to me once.  Nadin it, and you'll see how bad it is to get back in. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 21, 2013, 09:05:15 PM
I tried sliding the trunk lid side to side.  No luck.

I'll call a locksmith and have him work on it while I'm at work.  I don't care if he has to drill it out... lock cylinders don't cost much and a locksmith won't cost anything (roadside assistance is pretty awesome).
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on July 22, 2013, 06:18:30 AM
I tried sliding the trunk lid side to side.  No luck.

I'll call a locksmith and have him work on it while I'm at work.  I don't care if he has to drill it out... lock cylinders don't cost much and a locksmith won't cost anything (roadside assistance is pretty awesome).

Cars of that vintage were usually pretty easy to get into the trunk by taking out the back seat, drive-ins use to hate that.  Or so I have heard.   :whistling:

Then too I have seen more than a few trunks drilled for easy screw driver operation.  If roadside assistance will cover the cost I would say what the hey, drill baby drill.      :rotf:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 22, 2013, 08:44:36 PM
I wonder if this 2-bbl Autolite even has a choke on it.  It starts up like it's cold-natured, or like it's not getting enough fuel when it's cold.

It sort of runs that way down the road too.  It just feels weak.  I have yet to replace the cap/rotor, thermostat, or plugs, though.  I should be able to do that during the week if I do one or two things at a time.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 22, 2013, 09:08:10 PM
I wonder if this 2-bbl Autolite even has a choke on it.  It starts up like it's cold-natured, or like it's not getting enough fuel when it's cold.

It sort of runs that way down the road too.  It just feels weak.  I have yet to replace the cap/rotor, thermostat, or plugs, though.  I should be able to do that during the week if I do one or two things at a time.

If you haven't touched any of the ignition system, I would start with that first before fiddling with the carburetor. 

Have you checked your timing yet?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 22, 2013, 09:10:05 PM
If you haven't touched any of the ignition system, I would start with that first before fiddling with the carburetor. 

Have you checked your timing yet?
Not yet.  I'm not really sure what I should be looking for.  Does that require a timing light?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 22, 2013, 09:26:39 PM
Not yet.  I'm not really sure what I should be looking for.  Does that require a timing light?

Ideally, yes.  I'd get an adjustable timing light.  My brother has one, and I use his all the time. :-)

For starters, I would make sure your initial timing is right. 

This might help you:

http://www.custompistols.com/cars/articles/ignition_timing.htm

Do you have vacuum advance, and do you know if it is working?  Have you looked inside the distributor to make sure the advance weights are free (not rusted/broken springs)?

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 22, 2013, 09:28:16 PM
I haven't looked at anything. :-)

I'll have to check and see what kind of distributor this is.  It may require more than a cap and rotor.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 22, 2013, 10:55:14 PM
http://www.custompistols.com/cars/articles/ignition_timing.htm

Do you have vacuum advance, and do you know if it is working?  Have you looked inside the distributor to make sure the advance weights are free (not rusted/broken springs)?
Okay, that's what I thought you were talking about.  I'll give it a shot this weekend.  Supposed to be nice here.

This car has a little over 70k miles on it.  I'm concerned about the timing chain... I don't know if it's ever been replaced.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 22, 2013, 11:15:17 PM
Okay, that's what I thought you were talking about.  I'll give it a shot this weekend.  Supposed to be nice here.

This car has a little over 70k miles on it.  I'm concerned about the timing chain... I don't know if it's ever been replaced.

My experience is that it takes more than 70K miles to cause any appreciable stretch in a timing chain. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 22, 2013, 11:17:55 PM
Even one that's 50 years old?

Again, I don't know if this thing's ever been changed.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 23, 2013, 07:44:02 AM
Okay, that's what I thought you were talking about.  I'll give it a shot this weekend.  Supposed to be nice here.

This car has a little over 70k miles on it.  I'm concerned about the timing chain... I don't know if it's ever been replaced.

When I pulled the 350 out of the Firebird it had the factory chain it was worn some but was still going strong at 160k. So don't worry about that to much unless you are planning to be putting some power to it then you might need to go through the motor. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on July 23, 2013, 07:47:19 AM
I haven't looked at anything. :-)

I'll have to check and see what kind of distributor this is.  It may require more than a cap and rotor.

Points and condenser? Unless the setup isn't original any more, I'd think that would be what you'd need.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 23, 2013, 09:09:31 AM
Points and condenser? Unless the setup isn't original any more, I'd think that would be what you'd need.
I already bought the parts but haven't put them on yet.  I was going to do that Sunday but it rained all day.  The only thing I had time for was replacing the fuel pump.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 23, 2013, 04:23:55 PM
Even one that's 50 years old?

Again, I don't know if this thing's ever been changed.

Yup.  Age won't hurt a chain, miles will.   :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 24, 2013, 06:14:13 PM
Got it.  The key wasn't going in fully.  I tapped the end with a hammer and it slid in all the way.  Seems to be working fine now.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 26, 2013, 11:12:30 PM
My brother has a timing light I can use.

It's on. :II:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 27, 2013, 07:57:43 PM
That's an improvement.  I replaced the distributor cap, rotor, and spark plugs.  It's running smoother but still takes 2-3 tries to get it to start up after sitting overnight or for a few hours.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 27, 2013, 11:46:17 PM
That's an improvement.  I replaced the distributor cap, rotor, and spark plugs.  It's running smoother but still takes 2-3 tries to get it to start up after sitting overnight or for a few hours.

What kind of carburetor do you have?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 27, 2013, 11:54:28 PM
It has the stock 2-bbl Autolite.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 28, 2013, 02:09:42 PM
This points-and-condenser thing is a huge pain in the ass. :mad:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 28, 2013, 02:23:36 PM
This points-and-condenser thing is a huge pain in the ass. :mad:

um yep that why I convert to electronic when I can...also more reliable with electronic ignition.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 28, 2013, 07:17:27 PM
I was able to shim the point until I got the gap set to .015-inch.  I removed the plastic spacer that came with the kit I ordered and used some washers from the hardware store.

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 28, 2013, 07:23:25 PM
I was able to shim the point until I got the gap set to .015-inch.  I removed the plastic spacer that came with the kit I ordered and used some washers from the hardware store.



Always check any point sets before you buy to make sure the points are actually aligned properly.  If they don't touch each other dead nuts on, or one sits higher than the other, tell them to bring you another set.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on July 28, 2013, 07:51:33 PM
Always check any point sets before you buy to make sure the points are actually aligned properly.  If they don't touch each other dead nuts on, or one sits higher than the other, tell them to bring you another set.

 :lol: yep those are nuggets of wisdom there. By the way Chris do you have a dwell meter? They come in handy for making sure your getting the most "fire" out of the coil.....not something you have to have but it helps.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 28, 2013, 08:19:26 PM
:lol: yep those are nuggets of wisdom there. By the way Chris do you have a dwell meter? They come in handy for making sure your getting the most "fire" out of the coil.....not something you have to have but it helps.
Yes, I picked up a dwell meter last year. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on July 28, 2013, 10:04:59 PM
Damn, I think the last time I gapped points on a car and adjusted timing (remember 2 deg. BTDC?) must've been in the mid-70's in my '73 Nova.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 28, 2013, 10:09:06 PM
I left the timing alone.  I replaced the cap and rotor and went for a drive.  It ran like it always has.  I got home, pulled the cap, replaced the condenser and the points and now it turns over but won't start at all.

I wish I could find some decent instructions.  I don't get it. :argh:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: freedumb2003b on July 28, 2013, 10:12:50 PM
I left the timing alone.  I replaced the cap and rotor and went for a drive.  It ran fine.  I got home, pulled the cap off, removed the condenser and the points and now it turns over but won't start at all.

I wish I could find some decent instructions.  I don't get it. :argh:

Maybe you should replace the condenser and the points.

After that, you probably need to re-gap the points.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 28, 2013, 10:13:26 PM
Maybe you should replace the condenser and the points.

After that, you probably need to re-gap the points.
I just did.  It won't start.

Sorry, I edited my post again.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: freedumb2003b on July 28, 2013, 10:19:43 PM
I just did.  It won't start.

Sorry, I edited my post again.

If it is single points, double check your distributor shaft isn't warped.

Or better still, get an electronics points replacement -- easy to install and obviates physical points and the gapping thereof.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: CG6468 on July 28, 2013, 10:26:01 PM
I left the timing alone.  I replaced the cap and rotor and went for a drive.  It ran like it always has.  I got home, pulled the cap, replaced the condenser and the points and now it turns over but won't start at all.

I wish I could find some decent instructions.  I don't get it. :argh:

Have you checked whether you're getting a spark for the plug wires?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 28, 2013, 10:27:57 PM
Have you checked whether you're getting a spark for the plug wires?
Not yet.  I guess I will start on that tomorrow.  I spent most of my day trying to get the points gapped correctly. 

The supplement manual I bought doesn't have instructions for the distributor.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 28, 2013, 10:29:51 PM
If it is single points, double check your distributor shaft isn't warped.

Or better still, get an electronics points replacement -- easy to install and obviates physical points and the gapping thereof.

A Petronix Ignitor is looking pretty attractive right now.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: CG6468 on July 28, 2013, 10:33:14 PM
Not yet.  I guess I will start on that tomorrow.  I spent most of my day trying to get the points gapped correctly.  

It shouldn't be that difficult. The distributor's in the front  of the engine, right. Not as bad as GM's being in the rear of the engine and almost up against the firewall.

I do agree that electronics is the way to go.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on July 29, 2013, 08:07:17 PM
Have you also got a remote starter set up to go with the timing light and dwell meter?  Nice to have when setting points and timing.  I am with Eupher, it has been forty years since I changed points in a vehicle (1973) and it was probably on a "B".  I converted the 'Cuda to electronic as soon as I got it.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 29, 2013, 08:48:00 PM
I left the timing alone.  I replaced the cap and rotor and went for a drive.  It ran like it always has.  I got home, pulled the cap, replaced the condenser and the points and now it turns over but won't start at all.

I wish I could find some decent instructions.  I don't get it. :argh:

If everything worked before you changed the points/condensor, then I would bet my dollar on your problem lying therein. 

First check for 12 volts running to the low-tension side of your distributor.  This will be the wire that you connected up to your points.

Then, make sure you have no bare wires touching the body of the distributor, and that your 12V+ side of your points are not grounding out via the points plate.

Take off the distributor cap, and crank the engine, or have someone crank the engine.  Do you see the points snapping with electricity? 

If you can't see the points while you are cranking from inside the car, you can always leave the key in the 'ON' position, loosen the distributor clamping bolt, and rock the distributor back and forth on a lobe, to actuate the points.  The result will be the same if they are working: a snap of electricity.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 01, 2013, 09:07:13 PM
I picked up a cheap remote start trigger and I'm a little lost.  Let's say I want to pull the #1 spark plug to check for a spark... do I bridge the two starter terminals and leave the ignition switch on?

The instructions this thing came with don't help.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on August 01, 2013, 11:31:40 PM
I picked up a cheap remote start trigger and I'm a little lost.  Let's say I want to pull the #1 spark plug to check for a spark... do I bridge the two starter terminals and leave the ignition switch on?

The instructions this thing came with don't help.

If you are using a remote starter, turn your key to the "ON" position.  The remote starter is just doing the job of energizing the starter.   
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 02, 2013, 09:33:12 AM
If you are using a remote starter, turn your key to the "ON" position.  The remote starter is just doing the job of energizing the starter.   
I got that part.  If I use the remote switch to crank the starter, the rest of the ignition system should fire, right?

The instructions for this thing look like an Ikea manual.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on August 02, 2013, 04:25:03 PM
If I use the remote switch to crank the starter, the rest of the ignition system should fire, right?

If the key is in the 'ON' position, then yes.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 02, 2013, 04:39:49 PM
Okay, that's what I figured.  I have a feeling I'm going to be buying a new ignition coil anyway, but we will see.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 03, 2013, 09:05:22 PM
Too busy to mess with the car today, but I did take the cap off and verify the points gap was being opened by the distributor cam.  So there's that.

I need to jack the car up to get to the starter.  I'll work on that tomorrow.  I should know more after that.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on August 03, 2013, 10:08:07 PM
Don't forget to make sure you have 12 volts running to your coil, by running a meter across the two terminals on the coil with the key in the 'ON' position. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 03, 2013, 10:26:46 PM
Don't forget to make sure you have 12 volts running to your coil, by running a meter across the two terminals on the coil with the key in the 'ON' position. 
I probably should have done that today but did not.

Did you ever read Murilee Martin's take on carbureted points-ignition motors?

Quote
Why Old Cars Suck

You carburetor zealots can just go back to fishing your dropped jets out of the weeds in your back yard, because modern electronic fuel injection systems work perfectly 99.999999 and a bunch more nines percent of the time, and when you're done doing that... well, don't you have a sunk float or something to deal with?

It's a miracle that the voodoo-ass "technology" behind the carburetor worked as well as it did— remember how godawful those horrible electric chokes were, fellow old dudes?— and mechanical fuel-injection systems managed to be even less reliable. If I could have all the wasted hours I've spent futzing with carburetors back, I'd be years younger, I tell you what! In the modern, post-carburetor era, you stick the key in the ignition, you turn it, and the car fires right up. In the old days, you turned the key and prayed!
Jalopnik (http://jalopnik.com/5551040/why-old-cars-suck)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on August 04, 2013, 12:42:27 PM
I probably should have done that today but did not.

Did you ever read Murilee Martin's take on carbureted points-ignition motors?
Jalopnik (http://jalopnik.com/5551040/why-old-cars-suck)

That is an interesting article, and I agree with several points that it makes.   

I've never been a carb type of person myself.  On the other hand, my oldest brother is the complete opposite, so we trade out work: me helping him with his EFI stuff, him helping me with any carb-related issues I have. 

If you throw a properly sorted SU in the mix though, I'd almost always rather have that over either of the other choices. 

Points don't bother me.  I've had enough cars with or without them, that I'm completely without an opinion one way or the other on them.

All told, an interesting article; however, ask me to work on your new car, and I'll probably turn you down.  Ask me to go work on your old car, and I'll be over in five minutes.  One is a joy, while the other is almost always a task.  I enjoy tinkering, and that satisfying feeling of fixing something. That magic just isn't there on a new car for me. 


Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 04, 2013, 04:40:34 PM
 :censored: No spark @ plug #1
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: CG6468 on August 04, 2013, 05:01:44 PM
:censored: No spark @ plug #1

Bad spark plug wire?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on August 04, 2013, 05:49:41 PM
:censored: No spark @ plug #1

Your plugs are at the end of the high tension side of your ignition system.  Start with the low tension side first.  Check for 12V at the coil, then 12V at the points.  If that is present, and only then, can you really begin to consider a fault on the high tension side of things.

I'm still betting it's a wire in the points that is grounding, causing them not to fire, because you mentioned everything was fine until swapped them over.  Maybe I should make a detour on my way down to FL next week.  :tongue:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: CG6468 on August 04, 2013, 05:55:07 PM
The carbon composite high tension wires can crack easily and create all sorts of headaches. The plug wires can be checked in the dark for sparks flying from them to the engine. They're not fun to grab if they're defective.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on August 04, 2013, 06:58:51 PM
Your plugs are at the end of the high tension side of your ignition system.  Start with the low tension side first.  Check for 12V at the coil, then 12V at the points.  If that is present, and only then, can you really begin to consider a fault on the high tension side of things.

I'm still betting it's a wire in the points that is grounding, causing them not to fire, because you mentioned everything was fine until swapped them over.  Maybe I should make a detour on my way down to FL next week.  :tongue:

I'm with Battle hymn check from the farthest / simplest first. I do believe that either you have an issue with the points/condenser being bad or they aren't set properly...I am not saying that to accuse you of anything..it was running before you changed those two small parts in the distributor albeit not good but better than now...unless you moved /  changed something at the same time. As far as the coil goes...I used to be do a lot of wrenching and i only changed one or two of the old style coil's on a vehicle...they just don't go bad like that...unless it is the NEW style coil packs that is much different a coil per cylinder they seem to go bad before 100k every time. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on August 04, 2013, 07:11:29 PM
I accidentally grounded out the points in my 240Z a long time ago, and it took me a few days to figure out what I did.  The 12V+ wire going into the distributor had gotten pinched between the distributor cap and the distributor body.   

When I would take the cap off, the points were firing, since the wire was no longer being held to the distributor body.  When I put it back on, BAM, they were grounding out again.  :hammer: 

I claim youth and ignorance.  I make double sure nowadays that all those wires going to and inside the distributor are all up to snuff.   :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 04, 2013, 07:55:32 PM
I'm going to switch back to the old points.  The new one is slightly different and doesn't seem to make very good contact with the condenser and distributor ground wires.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on August 04, 2013, 08:08:09 PM
I'm going to switch back to the old points.  The new one is slightly different and doesn't seem to make very good contact with the condenser and distributor ground wires.

good start to the mystery investigation...if it takes off and runs...even poorly then you have your culprit. Then all there is to do is go strangle the cat that sold you the Chinese goods.  :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 04, 2013, 09:02:42 PM
Okay, so I put the old points on, gapped them, and put everything back together.  It will fire up and run for about a minute until it sputters and dies. 

*sigh* More work to do.

I may have my gap set too large.  I don't recall what I set it to, but the manual says .015-.018.  I may have used the largest one.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on August 04, 2013, 09:04:42 PM
Okay, so I put the old points on, gapped them, and put everything back together.  It will fire up and run for about a minute until it sputters and dies. 

*sigh* More work to do.

What looks so different about the new points vs your old ones?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 04, 2013, 09:20:49 PM
I think it's just cheap piece of junk.  I know I need to double check to make sure the distributor cam is lined up with the arm.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/points_zps83b08205.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/points_zps83b08205.jpg.html)

This is the "new" one.  The metal band on the old one had a stop at the end... it wasn't open like this one.  Also, the bump stop was fixed inside the body and not open.  On this one, everything was loose and sloppy because there's nothing to hold it together.

I'll take a picture of the old one tomorrow.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on August 05, 2013, 09:46:49 AM
I think it's just cheap piece of junk.  I know I need to double check to make sure the distributor cam is lined up with the arm.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/points_zps83b08205.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/points_zps83b08205.jpg.html)

This is the "new" one.  The metal band on the old one had a stop at the end... it wasn't open like this one.  Also, the bump stop was fixed inside the body and not open.  On this one, everything was loose and sloppy because there's nothing to hold it together.

I'll take a picture of the old one tomorrow.

That don't look right to me, Dad.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on August 05, 2013, 04:51:18 PM
That don't look right to me, Dad.

Chris,

The springy part of that point set- was it completely insulated from the rest of the distributor?  What did it screw to?  I think a picture of the inside of your distributor with the cap off and the old points installed would be helpful. 

If it runs at all on the old points, that leads me to believe it's just a simple installation mishap somewhere. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on August 05, 2013, 05:06:31 PM
This might help you: 

http://gasengine.farmcollector.com/Gas-Engines/Understanding-Breaker-Point-Ignition-Systems.aspx#axzz2b8cuIIYU

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 05, 2013, 05:08:22 PM
There's a screw that goes into that slot, like a bump stop for the lever arm.  There was a piece of plastic holding it in place but I took it off and shimmed it with some washers.  The lower part of the screw was screwed down by a couple of small nuts that the condenser and distributor wire were pinched between.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 05, 2013, 07:53:35 PM
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/distributor_zps2ad7f0ef.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/distributor_zps2ad7f0ef.jpg.html)

So the book says .015-.018.  I only have two gauges that fall in that spec, .016 and .018.

The gap was way too large when I checked it this afternoon.  I adjusted it a little closer to spec and it will fire up and run as long as I keep my foot on the gas.  It won't idle. 

I managed to drain my battery.  Good thing I have a spare.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on August 05, 2013, 09:47:50 PM
There's a screw that goes into that slot, like a bump stop for the lever arm.  There was a piece of plastic holding it in place but I took it off and shimmed it with some washers.  The lower part of the screw was screwed down by a couple of small nuts that the condenser and distributor wire were pinched between.

If you shimmed the area where that insulator is with washers that are conductive, that there is your problem.  :-) 



You should have zero continuity with the points open, from the base plate, to the insulated side of the points.  You should have continuity with the points closed
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 05, 2013, 09:50:07 PM
I got that part.  The lever and the bump stop never touched.

Either way, it was a piece of crap.  I've moved on to a different problem now. :p
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on August 05, 2013, 09:57:17 PM
I got that part.  The lever and the bump stop never touched.

Either way, it was a piece of crap.  I've moved on to a different problem now. :p

Do tell.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 05, 2013, 09:58:27 PM
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,87876.msg1114500.html#msg1114500  :p

It will run @ WOT but will not idle.  I still think the dwell/point gap is not set correctly, but the gauge I have isn't specific enough.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on August 06, 2013, 09:39:45 PM
Well if the point gap isn't correct it will affect the rpm's the spark can work in...if it to close it knee caps the coil from giving all it energy and if its open to far it does not build energy in the coil....so it need to be CLOSE to correct to run with any semblance of being right. Then you can move on to other issues. Most people I have been at the race track with seem to mix up ignition problems with carb problems....they are REALLY close but it is easy to look at the plugs or check timing/ dwell etc and wallah you know which way to go.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 06, 2013, 09:44:55 PM
I picked up a more accurate set of feeler gauges.  It covers every thousandth of an inch from .010 to .032.  Right now, it's set (roughly) to .016.

It's possible there was some rust or crap in the fuel that wound up in the float bowls from the previous crusty fuel tank.  I don't know how close the Autolite is to a standard Holley or Edelbrock, but if I can remove the float bowls to check the level or for deposits without removing the carburetor, I should be able to get this thing running.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on August 06, 2013, 10:02:02 PM
I would work on getting one thing strait then go to the other, cause if you have to many things that are not quite rite then you will be chasing your tail....get the ignition as close as you can then go to the carb. It was running before you changed the points...get it back to that point. that is what I would do.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 07, 2013, 07:25:20 PM
Got it!  The new gauges did the trick.  I set it to the lowest spec (.015) and it fired right up.

I put the engine in neutral and lined up the cam and points manually.  Still idles a little lumpy... not sure what's up with that.  Feels like a couple of weak or misfiring cylinders.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on August 07, 2013, 09:43:16 PM
 :II:
I knew you would get it soon enough...Depending on your definition of "lumpy" that could be a few things from a fouling plug to vacuum leak. But there is always the points need a few more thousands. The book is factory spec range I have run into cars that needed a slight tad out of what was in the pages to run correctly. Now that you have proper tools to set them Id check the dwell and start tweaking some.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 07, 2013, 09:47:40 PM
It feels like a couple of cylinders are a little weak.  Idle and mid-range is a little off.  This thing should be running smoothly without any misfires.

I think I'll pull the plugs and re-gap them.  I didn't have the correct gauge with the previous set I was using.  I verified the firing order -- I know I didn't mess anything up, but it's not that bad.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on August 07, 2013, 10:02:35 PM
when you pull the plugs look and see if they all have the same deposits on them...i am sure they will not be the nice even light tan/white they should be at this time due to no tuning and the car is older but if you have any that are wet with oil note the cylinder and if you have any that are powdery black,smell of gas or have any discoloration to them note it as well. They all should look alike...or very close. If they are covered in soot its to rich. If you have one or more that is oil fouling there can be a few things that might be the problem, guides or rings. You can tell a lot about an engine from the condition of the plugs.

This NGK page gives a few examples.
http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/tech_support/spark_plugs/faqs/faqread.asp
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 07, 2013, 10:12:57 PM
The plugs I pulled all looked the same with a heavy yellow or rust-colored oxidation on the tip.  There was oil around the threads and the base of the plug, but nothing above or below that.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: CG6468 on August 08, 2013, 08:32:06 AM
:II:
I knew you would get it soon enough...Depending on your definition of "lumpy" that could be a few things from a fouling plug to vacuum leak. But there is always the points need a few more thousands. The book is factory spec range I have run into cars that needed a slight tad out of what was in the pages to run correctly. Now that you have proper tools to set them Id check the dwell and start tweaking some.

Back in the day, I always set the points to have a tad more spacing than specified. As they'd wear, they'd come down to the specified range.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 08, 2013, 09:07:13 AM
Back in the day, I always set the points to have a tad more spacing than specified. As they'd wear, they'd come down to the specified range.
That's what I had heard.

I have yet to hook up a dwell meter to the car.  I should have time to do that after work today.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on August 08, 2013, 11:56:45 AM
That's what I had heard.

I have yet to hook up a dwell meter to the car.  I should have time to do that after work today.

what's the timing on that engine?

Never mind, I'll answer the question myself -- 10 deg BTDC (auto tranny).
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 08, 2013, 09:56:36 PM
what's the timing on that engine?

Never mind, I'll answer the question myself -- 10 deg BTDC (auto tranny).
Something like that.  Dwell is 26-28 1/2 degrees.

I wish it would stop raining.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 10, 2013, 11:35:48 AM
Found another parts supplier. :II:

http://cgfordparts.com/
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 10, 2013, 01:51:44 PM
Step 1: wash, claybar, apply polish, and let the polish sit overnight.

Before:
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/1963Fairlane5000_zps116f832b.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/1963Fairlane5000_zps116f832b.jpg.html)

After:
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/step1_zps1a5cdcf9.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/step1_zps1a5cdcf9.jpg.html)

The excess polish gets wiped off with a terrycloth towel and another layer of polish goes on.  Rinse and repeat. 

Looking good so far. :)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on August 10, 2013, 05:46:33 PM
Why does the top of your bumper appear dull?  I can't tell if it's dullness I'm looking at, or maybe just slop from the polish and clay bar work you performed.  

The rest of the car looks better already.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 10, 2013, 06:01:01 PM
Because a previous owner painted over a rust spot instead of fixing it properly. :whatever:

Checked my dwell... a hair less than 27º. 


edit:  I did not clay bar the bumper yet.  I overlooked it today.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 11, 2013, 06:11:22 PM
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/polished2_zps473559ac.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/polished2_zps473559ac.jpg.html)

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/polished1_zps5b5c99b1.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/polished1_zps5b5c99b1.jpg.html)

Not bad for 50-year-old paint. :p

I only did the tops of the fenders and the hood.  Not a great job, but I'm no professional.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on August 11, 2013, 06:29:55 PM
I'd say you're well on your way.

You got a future in body shop work? Probably lots of gigs out there.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on August 11, 2013, 06:49:33 PM
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/polished2_zps473559ac.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/polished2_zps473559ac.jpg.html)

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/polished1_zps5b5c99b1.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/polished1_zps5b5c99b1.jpg.html)

Not bad for 50-year-old paint. :p

I only did the tops of the fenders and the hood.  Not a great job, but I'm no professional.

Hey looks great...how about a trip down here with that clay bar and have a go at my VW truck  :rotf:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 11, 2013, 07:52:18 PM
Hey looks great...how about a trip down here with that clay bar and have a go at my VW truck  :rotf:
I didn't drop it. :tongue:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on August 11, 2013, 08:02:53 PM
I didn't drop it. :tongue:

 :bawl: so sad....why ya wanna be like that.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 11, 2013, 08:23:47 PM
Rainy-day project is to repaint the black inserts on the hub caps.  I probably could have done that last weekend but I didn't think to.

Also, I'd like to repaint the steel wheels the same chestnut color as the car and fill in the black space under the whitewalls. :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 12, 2013, 01:10:24 PM
Broke down again... the starter is fried. 

I should have realized what was happening.  It's not like I've never seen a starter go bad before.  :banghead:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on August 12, 2013, 02:12:21 PM
Broke down again... the starter is fried. 

I should have realized what was happening.  It's not like I've never seen a starter go bad before.  :banghead:

The cool thing is, you might even be able to rebuild the thing yourself. Those starters were meant to last, and actually rebuilt rather than thrown out. Or at least that's the way it used to be.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: CG6468 on August 12, 2013, 02:16:56 PM
The cool thing is, you might even be able to rebuild the thing yourself. Those starters were meant to last, and actually rebuilt rather than thrown out. Or at least that's the way it used to be.

A couple of places near her do that.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: freedumb2003b on August 12, 2013, 02:22:43 PM
Are we shade-tree mechanics still working on that damn Fairlane?

Hell, by now there are spiderwebs in the wheelwells and the rubber is all crystallized...
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 12, 2013, 02:38:20 PM
Are we shade-tree mechanics still working on that damn Fairlane?

Hell, by now there are spiderwebs in the wheelwells and the rubber is all crystallized...

:rotf: It gets driven semi-regularly.

I was able to get it restarted and home again to switch out cars.  I'll be buying a new starter on the way home.  Seems like I go through the same thing with every car I buy... the only reliable one has been the MG.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on August 12, 2013, 08:51:51 PM
you have a re-builder near you? I have several and they are usually better than the crap auto parts shops and they can build it better than it was. Years ago I took a starter from a Pontiac to a starter/alt/gen builder close to the shop I was working at. I told the guy it kept going out cause the engine had 11 to 1 compression...so he built me a starter basically for a diesel Oldsmobile in a Pontiac case....worked like a champ. You might want to look into that and your starter problems will be over.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 12, 2013, 08:55:34 PM
I picked up a replacement.  I had a $20 store credit so it wasn't a big expense (they wouldn't let me use my store credit and my gift certificate at the same time.  Bums).  I'll have the current one rebuilt as a spare.  I wonder if it's the original one... kind of hard to tell.

Time to break out the old bumper jack.  Those regular hydraulic jacks don't work so well with this car.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on August 13, 2013, 08:00:51 AM
I picked up a replacement.  I had a $20 store credit so it wasn't a big expense (they wouldn't let me use my store credit and my gift certificate at the same time.  Bums).  I'll have the current one rebuilt as a spare.  I wonder if it's the original one... kind of hard to tell.

Time to break out the old bumper jack.  Those regular hydraulic jacks don't work so well with this car.

Fords of that era were famous for the starter solenoid going bad and could usually be jumped with a screw driver IIRC.  Fords solenoids were most often mounted somewhere in the engine compartment not internal to the starter.  Use to sell a lot of them in the early 70's.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGGTaOQkkAk[/youtube]

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on August 13, 2013, 08:54:40 AM
Fords of that era were famous for the starter solenoid going bad and could usually be jumped with a screw driver IIRC.  Fords solenoids were most often mounted somewhere in the engine compartment not internal to the starter.  Use to sell a lot of them in the early 70's.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGGTaOQkkAk[/youtube]



I remember all starter solenoids being actually attached to the starter itself, which meant the whole apparatus being mounted down around the flywheel. Gotta get the car up on jackstands to deal with that, usually.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 13, 2013, 09:23:17 AM
Fords of that era were famous for the starter solenoid going bad and could usually be jumped with a screw driver IIRC.  Fords solenoids were most often mounted somewhere in the engine compartment not internal to the starter.  Use to sell a lot of them in the early 70's.
When the starter motor is smoking and stinking like burned metal, it's a good hint what might be wrong. :-)

The solenoid is mounted on the fender.  I tried jumping the two connections and all I did was burn my finger.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on August 13, 2013, 09:56:19 AM
When the starter motor is smoking and stinking like burned metal, it's a good hint what might be wrong. :-)

The solenoid is mounted on the fender.  I tried jumping the two connections and all I did was burn my finger.

Ah yes that would happened too, remember one story of a guy with a wedding ring that touched the screw driver and burned clear to the bone.  Ouch.

I never rebuilt a Ford but I did do a Chrysler back in the day and probably a Chevy or two but it is so cheap to just buy a rebuilt that unless you are a glutton for punishment it is probably not worth the effort.  I seem to remember Chevy needing the bendix drive (throw out or what ever you call the starter gear) replaced, Chrysler not so much because they were dual reduction drives.  (which is why they sound different)  It was usually the brass bushings that went on a Chrysler. 

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Wineslob on August 16, 2013, 10:18:24 AM
When the starter motor is smoking and stinking like burned metal, it's a good hint it might be a Ford. :-)

The solenoid is mounted on the fender.  I tried jumping the two connections and all I did was burn my finger.


FIFY


My 1989 F 150 has the solenoid mounted on the fender.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: CG6468 on August 16, 2013, 01:04:37 PM

FIFY


My 1989 F 150 has the solenoid mounted on the fender.

You can bypass the Ford's solenoid by going down to the starter from the hot side of the solenoid.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 17, 2013, 10:11:04 PM
I got the old starter pulled.  It's the original one or at least the housing is.

It's a tight fit between the transmission oil cooler lines and the frame.  Goober sure earned his keep in Mayberry, I'll say that.

It rained on and off most of the day.  I didn't have a lot of time to work.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on August 18, 2013, 07:05:03 PM
I got the old starter pulled.  It's the original one or at least the housing is.

It's a tight fit between the transmission oil cooler lines and the frame.  Goober sure earned his keep in Mayberry, I'll say that.

It rained on and off most of the day.  I didn't have a lot of time to work.

Rain does cut down on the outdoor auto repair time.  My lawn could use a bit of your rain but I was able to make productive use of its lack under the motor home today checking some wiring.  It was a dust bowl under there in addition to the normal diesel filth. I have learned to use tyvek painter coveralls to keep both me and the inside of the coach clean when I have to get under it.

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 18, 2013, 08:08:26 PM
The tail light cap broke when I took it off the car. :argh: :censored: :mad:

The metal trim around the backup light holds the rest of the tail light together.  I ordered a replacement tail light assembly but if it doesn't get here by Wednesday, I'm just going to silicone the whole damn thing together until I get back from MO.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 18, 2013, 08:12:32 PM
I'm still having the same cold-start issues I was having before.  It took me five minutes to get the engine to fire up and stay running after sitting for a week.  I let it warm up for a few minutes and shut it off.  It started up again with no problems.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on August 19, 2013, 06:53:44 AM
I'm still having the same cold-start issues I was having before.  It took me five minutes to get the engine to fire up and stay running after sitting for a week.  I let it warm up for a few minutes and shut it off.  It started up again with no problems.

With the 'Cuda I have leak down issue when it sits for any length of time.  You can see it with the clear (sort of ) gas filter being empty.   The mechanical fuel pump may be the problem but I have never gotten around to changing it.  Sometimes if it has been sitting for a protracted period of time I will give it a shot of ether before I start to crank it over.  I put a NOS carb on years ago but it didn't do much for the starting.  Of course corn gas is not good for NOS stuff either.    I suspect you have the same problem.  Try a shot of gas or ether before you try to start it after it has been sitting.  On the 'Cuda I also have a choke issue < headers mean no choke stove > but again I never drive it in the winter so I have not put a manual on it.  You might want to see if the choke is working correctly too.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on August 19, 2013, 08:39:24 PM
With the Firebird I had the same problem years ago and I had the header problem as well so I went to a an electric choke. The other key to the solution at least with me was change out the rubber fuel line along the system. I knew I was having problems with the fuel lines cause I was having a lot of stuttering at about 6k rpm. The lines in the back were sucking air and starving the engine. After I changed the lines I had no more hard starts or high RPM stutter...have you changed any of the original rubber lines along the system?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on August 20, 2013, 07:23:08 AM
With the Firebird I had the same problem years ago and I had the header problem as well so I went to a an electric choke. The other key to the solution at least with me was change out the rubber fuel line along the system. I knew I was having problems with the fuel lines cause I was having a lot of stuttering at about 6k rpm. The lines in the back were sucking air and starving the engine. After I changed the lines I had no more hard starts or high RPM stutter...have you changed any of the original rubber lines along the system?

That is an excellent point.  I cannot say I have changed all the rubber but I have changed everything from the fuel pump forward on the 'Cuda.  I may have to reinvestigate that.  I am with you on the electric choke but have not gone there yet since the one barrel is due to be changed out to a whole different animal ( I just need time to do it.  Think three duce's.  )  I may post a pic later.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 20, 2013, 07:41:14 PM
I tried to read the part of the service manual for the automatic choke but it just gave me a headache.

Got the tail light reassembled... guess I'm legal now.  The fancy backup-light bulb is exposed until I can find something to cover it with.  Think I'll just use a plastic ramekin and some glue.  Good thing I ordered two entire sets because the other tail light cover is cracked as well.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on August 20, 2013, 09:06:40 PM
I tried to read the part of the service manual for the automatic choke but it just gave me a headache.

Got the tail light reassembled... guess I'm legal now.  The fancy backup-light bulb is exposed until I can find something to cover it with.  Think I'll just use a plastic ramekin and some glue.  Good thing I ordered two entire sets because the other tail light cover is cracked as well.

BAH! the difference there is a stove pipe heater and the other is a SINGLE wire to the choke...all the blah blah has been taken care of by the carb. I would say the FEW wire headaches there is will pay off for YEARS after the mod. I wont drive a stove pipe choke anymore....either it is Manuel or auto electric. lol now I am driving  one car with E-fuel injection and don't need a choke and the other is a diesel fuel mech injection so.... not in need of a choke ATM.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 21, 2013, 10:07:40 PM
I have a nagging feeling the filter I put on the end of the fuel pickup unit is causing some of my running problems.  It was a cheapo mesh screen-type filter that I replaced with a modern inline filter.  I would have to drop the tank to replace it.

I still haven't regapped the plugs or checked the carburetor at all.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 22, 2013, 10:06:11 PM
I'll be back from Kansas City on Monday (I'm headed to St. Joseph for lunch with a friend Sunday).  I'm going to pull the tank and take off that damn fuel filter I stuck on the end of the fuel pickup tube. :thatsright:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on August 22, 2013, 10:20:20 PM
If you have a compressor just remove the line and blow back into the tank at full pressure. That flimsy "filter sock" will not be attached or in one piece afterward. I did this when I first bought the Firebird cause the sock was clogged. It made a huge difference. I installed a external filter so i was not in need of the factory design flaw any longer. I don't remember if you said or not, did you blow out all the lines when you were doing all this work? But if it is a new filter sock and not one that is 25 ish years old you might want to drop the tank and remove it...then blow the lines and replace all rubber pieces so you don't have a suction leak.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 22, 2013, 10:21:58 PM
It's not a sock... it's an in-line filter with a barbed connector and a hose clamp.

It's on there and it's not going anywhere.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 26, 2013, 06:53:32 PM
Got my cold-start problem solved... I replaced the automatic choke thermostat.  Started up fine. 

It runs a little rough and I still need to change the thermostat but it's more driveable and doesn't stall.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: obumazombie on August 26, 2013, 09:23:27 PM
Got my cold-start problem solved... I replaced the automatic choke thermostat.  Started up fine. 

It runs a little rough and I still need to change the thermostat but it's more driveable and doesn't stall.
Will it be ready to take to the next baconfest ?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 26, 2013, 09:25:42 PM
Will it be ready to take to the next baconfest ?
I hope so.  I'm tired of having a 3,000-pound lawn ornament.

I'm leaving for North Carolina Wednesday.  I'm hoping to take this car with me.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: obumazombie on August 26, 2013, 09:28:34 PM
^Ah. Good luck with it. Since you are now a minor cave celebrity from baconfest, break a leg !
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 28, 2013, 12:40:29 AM
Runs better but there's a slight stumble or hesitation in one or two cylinders.  It's better than it was the other day, but I had to regap a few of the plugs today since they were off by a small amount. It's probably the two I didn't fix (there's one directly under the alternator and it's a bitch to unscrew).

Still stalls in Drive at the light. I'm going to raise the idle a bit and see what happens.  I also need to replace the thermostat... my temp gauge on the dashboard still isn't working.  The coolant looks nice and clean, though. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on August 28, 2013, 08:55:17 PM
Still stalling.  I don't have time to drain the tank this week... I invited my brother to drain it for me (hey, free gas). 

I'll deal with it when I get back from NC.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on August 28, 2013, 11:21:58 PM
Wish I lived closer bubba I would give you a hand with this thing...just seems to me you are fighting a few things at once and sorting those kind of troubles can be a pain. Keep your chin up it will be running SMOOTHLY soon...
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 02, 2013, 10:21:52 PM
Hey Chris_ hows the car coming along? Any progress? Was told you were on vacation so don't know if you had any time to work on the ride.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 07, 2013, 02:06:41 PM
Got the gas tank drained.  It's hot outside so I'm indoors working on some new shelves for the walk-in closet. 

I've started pulling trim parts off the dashboard for painting.  There's a bunch of leaves and crud stuck in the ventilation system from the cowl vent and I had to remove the trim to open the air vent anyway.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 07, 2013, 02:11:35 PM
Great to hear your working on the ride again....yep the first time I turned on the blower motor in the VW I got my eyes filled with dust and rubbish. hehe I made myself a screen cover for the outside air inlet to stop the leaves from filling the airbox and the blower motor.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 07, 2013, 02:16:09 PM
I keep hearing idiots on the radio telling me "summer is over".  It's 90 degrees out there!

It's hot.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 08, 2013, 06:08:25 PM
Got the gas tank back on after removing the filter from the pickup tube.  It fired right up and idled fine.

The choke still isn't working.  I had to replace a couple of the screws that attached the choke housing to the carburetor and they're not holding it in place... it's turning as I step on the gas and either flooding or choking the engine.  Looks like I need some better screws.  All I could find at the time were stainless steel.  :mad:


edit: picked up some hardened #8-32 Allen-head bolts.  Hopefully that will put enough torque on the choke housing to keep it from moving.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 09, 2013, 07:53:53 PM
Think I got it.

1. Increasing the idle on a 2-barrel Autolite is counter-clockwise, opposite from the SU HIF's clockwise adjustment.

2. The choke housing retainer was on backward and not applying enough pressure to hold it in place.

3. Torx bits work okay as a temporary replacement for missing Allen wrenches.

I'm going to see if I can get in on the $10 United Way carwash at work tomorrow.  There are a couple of nasty-assed hackberry trees in the backyard and my poor car is covered in shit.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 09, 2013, 09:22:05 PM
Cool got it to run smoother and start better? Yep tree sap isn't any fun to wash off. The only thing I found worse was bird mess after they eat berries off the neighbors tree (un known berry) and sit in your tree over your car...lol What a mess
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 09, 2013, 10:07:26 PM
The choke is still goofed up but I can take the cover off the air cleaner and move it open enough to start the car.  Once it's started, it idles, runs, and shifts through gears okay (I haven't driven it yet).

After that, it seems to run okay.  I'm planning on ditching this 2-barrel Autolite for a new 4-barrel and a 289 intake at some point so I'm not going to worry about it.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 09, 2013, 10:15:06 PM
Wish I could replace all of them with SU carbs. :-)

Aftermarket throttle-body kits have hit the big league, but they're a couple grand after taxes and shipping.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 09, 2013, 10:18:23 PM
Yep that would be a worth while upgrade, that and a electronic ignition. :hyper: Years ago when I was working in that hot-rod shop in my young 20's we would combine distributors if they didn't make a unit that could be modded to work. My boss (who is still a very good friend of mine) built a HEI unit for a tri-power Pontiac intake small cap distributor. The customer wanted it to look stock but hated points. It worked well all the electronics were outside the distributor under the dash with a heat sink, just the pickup was under the cap.   
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 09, 2013, 10:21:57 PM
Wish I could replace all of them with SU carbs. :-)

Aftermarket throttle-body kits have hit the big league, but they're a couple grand after taxes and shipping.

Would probably be cheaper to get a fuel injected engine and wiring harness and drop it in than buy a after fuel injector kit. hehe
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 09, 2013, 10:24:35 PM
Sweet. 

Holley has an aftermarket fuel-injection TBI unit but it's not cheap.  I'm just curious how they integrate an anti-knock and other EFI sensors into their unit. 

I'll probably upgrade to a Pertronix kit at some point.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 10, 2013, 12:38:17 PM
Hm, weird.  I loosened the nut holding the air cleaner cover about half a turn and my car's idle improved immediately.

I think it's voodoo.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on September 10, 2013, 04:32:53 PM
Hm, weird.  I loosened the nut holding the air cleaner cover about half a turn and my car's idle improved immediately.

I think it's voodoo.

Have you checked the base plate of the carb to make sure it's flat? 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 10, 2013, 04:34:05 PM
No.

If I have to take the carbuertor off, I'm just going to rebuild the entire thing (I have a feeling it needs a new accelerator pump anyway -- it stumbles when you stomp on the gas too hard).
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on September 10, 2013, 04:35:21 PM
Wish I could replace all of them with SU carbs. :-)

Hey hey, NOW you're speaking my language!!   :cheersmate: :drool:
(http://www.britishv8.org/Other/Pete/turner3a.jpg)
(http://www.britishv8.org/MG/HenkJanVonk-MG-MGB/HenkJanVonk-MG-MGB-BQ.jpg)

(http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/plugins/PostviaEmail/images/1961_Austin_Healey_3000_BT7_Roadster_Ford_V8_For_Sale_0_resize.jpg)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on September 10, 2013, 04:36:21 PM
No.

If I have to take the carbuertor off, I'm just going to rebuild the entire thing (I have a feeling it needs a new accelerator pump anyway -- it stumbles when you stomp on the gas too hard).

Well, vacuum leaks can be free to fix, for the most part.  I did notice you mentioned swapping that 2bbl to a 4bbl (I would do the same), but I didn't know if you were trying to limp it along in the meantime, or just throw in the towel altogether.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 10, 2013, 04:36:23 PM
Hey hey, NOW you're speaking my language!!   :cheersmate: :drool:
(http://www.britishv8.org/Other/Pete/turner3a.jpg)
I can live with that. :rofl:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 10, 2013, 04:38:03 PM
Well, vacuum leaks can be free to fix, for the most part.  I did notice you mentioned swapping that 2bbl to a 4bbl (I would do the same), but I didn't know if you were trying to limp it along in the meantime, or just throw in the towel altogether.
I'm trying to get it to run well enough for it to be a reliable daily driver -- something I can jump in to a couple days a week and take it to the office without being half an hour late.

A 4-barrely conversion would probably happen after the rest of the car is finished.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on September 10, 2013, 04:40:06 PM
I'm trying to get it to run well enough for it to be a reliable daily driver -- something I can jump in to a couple days a week and take it to the office without being half an hour late.

A 4-barrely conversion would probably happen after the rest of the car is finished.

Have you been hitting the interwebnets looking for a manifold and carb, or are you sticking with local junkyards?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 10, 2013, 04:41:27 PM
I loosened the air cleaner from "tight" to "snug"... maybe a quarter of a turn, just enough for a small amount of air to flow between the cover and the filter housing.  Before, I had it twisted down to the point where there was no air coming in past the cover at all.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 10, 2013, 04:42:32 PM
Have you been hitting the interwebnets looking for a manifold and carb, or are you sticking with local junkyards?
I found a 289 Windsor maniforld/carb combo for $75.  Didn't say what kind of carb it was, only that it was a 4-barrel.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on September 10, 2013, 04:50:36 PM
I found a 289 Windsor maniforld/carb combo for $75.  Didn't say what kind of carb it was, only that it was a 4-barrel.

Do you have any salvage yards around you that specialize in classic cars?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 10, 2013, 04:51:22 PM
Sort of.  There is a "classic" section in the local Pull-A-Part. 

There are enough old pickups around here, finding one shouldn't be difficult.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 10, 2013, 06:45:35 PM
Argh.  It doesn't want to idle when it gets hot (and that V8 puts out a lot of heat).  Also, it's still idling rough.   


Good news, there is a 1980-something Fairmont at the Pull-A-Part.  I may be able to get the spindles if they haven't already been picked.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on September 10, 2013, 07:22:36 PM
Did I ever post these guys?  One of these days I have to get around to finishing up the brackets needed to put them on the /6

(http://s10.postimg.org/xmr0574s9/12_Weber_carbs.jpg)

That is a Lynx manifold not a Clifford.  The Aussies also have a great /6 that runs three Weber duce's, it puts out @ 265hp.


What I need to do is make a bracket for the throttle and kick down gear which is actually easier said than done.  Hopefully I will have a chance to get to it this winter.



Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 10, 2013, 07:25:00 PM
Didn't the Sunbeam Tiger come with a Ford 289?  It probably has a single four-barrel carb.

I'm sure I have a picture of one somewhere.


(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/2012%20Nashville%20British%20Car%20Club%20Show/SunbeamV82.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/2012%20Nashville%20British%20Car%20Club%20Show/SunbeamV82.jpg.html)

Yep.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 10, 2013, 07:40:49 PM
Did some research and a few issues were mentioned.  Vapor lock/heat, carb spacing, or timing.

Someone suggested placing wooden clothespins on the fuel line near the engine to dissipate heat as a diagnostic measure (he claimed it works).  Checking timing doesn't cost me anything, but checking the base plate or carb spacer may take me a day or two.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 10, 2013, 08:56:14 PM
If the thumb nut is tightened to much on most carb's it will warp the "airhorn" the upper area of the venturi and yes you will have a vacuum leak or worse on some carb's fuel leaks, once it happens it will always be an issue. Put a gasket under the air cleaner and snug the thumb nut....unless you have a rockin and rollin engine or one that idles rough as all get out that should be enough. Do not over tighten the thumb nut. On a Quadra jet you will actually cause fuel to dump into the engine if you warp the air horn.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 10, 2013, 09:02:24 PM
There is a small gasket around the base of the air cleaner... it's about 1/8th of an inch wide or less and not very thick, but it's there.

I messed with the wingnut after it wouldn't start after heating up.  Didn't help.  I think it may be something else.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 10, 2013, 09:26:41 PM
It probably wont cause a hard start but if it has warped things it will dependently cause it to run different....loosen the wing nut then run it till warm and see. If it is tightened and the idle gets rough then you know.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 11, 2013, 10:21:14 PM
Rained today.  No progress.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 11, 2013, 10:41:22 PM
Well shoot....I worked on the vw today had a problem with the relayed wire harness I purchased for it....should have wired it myself but hey live and learn right. So after a few hours of work the headlights work again...lol If your headlight aren't relayed you should look into doing the same. The difference is amazing. The VW stock runs all the current through the headlight switch (that is obsolete now) By running relayed harness you get full battery voltage to the lights instead of having a voltage drop through the switch and all the amps through the switch.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 11, 2013, 11:03:31 PM
I noticed that after I turned the headlights on while idling in the rain yesterday. 

John Twist also has relay schematics for the horn and an electric fan.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on September 12, 2013, 05:02:36 PM
I noticed that after I turned the headlights on while idling in the rain yesterday. 

John Twist also has relay schematics for the horn and an electric fan.

I need to put a relay on the B's headlights.  I've just never got around to it yet. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 13, 2013, 10:40:17 AM
I called a local shop for a quote on new upholstery for the front bench seat.  $600.

Ouch.


edit: Found some front seat upholstery for a 1964 bench from Dearborn Classics for $250 but there are no pictures on their website or catalog.  I've asked them to send me photos of the finished product.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 14, 2013, 07:48:25 PM
No luck on finding a Windsor small-block intake/carb at the Pull-a-Part.  They were all EFI.  The Fairmont is still there but I didn't have any luck getting the wheels off the car with the tools I had. (It's not easy to loosen lug nuts when the wheel keeps turning.)

I got the thermostat housing and old thermostat removed from the Fairlane.  I'll put the new thermostat and gasket on tomorrow morning.  What a pain in the ass.  The only wrench I had that would fit past the water pump to the thermostat housing bolt was a 1/4-inch drive/extension.  I swear I thought something was going to break -- either the bolt or my ratchet.

I'm going to check out the new Pick-A-Part down the street.  They have half a dozen pre-EFI trucks and a Maverick.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 15, 2013, 09:35:38 AM
A buddy of mine has a lot of ford parts I can ask him if he has an intake and carb setup he wouldn't mind parting with if ya like. If he does it will be stock parts i'm sure but that's what you are looking for anyway correct?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 15, 2013, 11:27:22 AM
A buddy of mine has a lot of ford parts I can ask him if he has an intake and carb setup he wouldn't mind parting with if ya like. If he does it will be stock parts i'm sure but that's what you are looking for anyway correct?
Yep. 

Thanks.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 15, 2013, 11:33:28 AM
Ill call him today I know he is busy ATM but he will be home later.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 15, 2013, 11:42:23 AM
I'm headed out to the Pick-A-Part to do a little window shopping.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 15, 2013, 05:07:13 PM
That was the most disorganized junkyard I've been to a in a long time.  What a mess.

Replaced the coolant temperature sensor and the thermostat and topped off the coolant.  My temp gauge is working now.  Just as I suspected, I'm running hot (somewhere between "normal" and "SHUT THE CAR OFF!!".  It was edging toward the red line when I stalled at the gas station.

It was in the "cool" range when I was driving it back here after I bought it.  Wonder if I can get a fan shroud for this thing.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 15, 2013, 05:23:29 PM
Yea last couple of junk yards I have been to around here dont have anything I need/want and it ALWAYS under the stack....lol gotta love bad/incorrect gauges. Fan shroud shouldn't be to hard to find or source.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 15, 2013, 06:54:03 PM
Of course the previous owner bypassed the heater core (and probably removed it entirely).  I have a giant heater hose with a ball valve hanging off of it sitting in my engine compartment.

It was resting against the exhaust manifold (not good).  I "secured" it with some electrical tape.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 15, 2013, 07:31:44 PM
I don't believe it... the clothespin trick on the fuel line worked.  It didn't hot stall or vapor lock at the grocery store.  I think it wanted to, but it didn't. 

The choke is still f'ed up and not working right.

I can't tell if my temp gauge is off or if the car is overheating. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 15, 2013, 07:36:24 PM
Well its par for the course to have someone bypass the heater core. I like my heat so I fix them...lol
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on September 16, 2013, 07:28:03 PM
Well its par for the course to have someone bypass the heater core. I like my heat so I fix them...lol

Up here it is nice to have to keep the ice off the windshield (among other 'things') in the winter.   :-) 

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 16, 2013, 08:01:38 PM
Up here it is nice to have to keep the ice off the windshield (among other 'things') in the winter.   :-) 



HEHE down south its nice to keep the frost off the pumpkin...as well as the windshield. LOL
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 17, 2013, 08:11:21 PM
No luck.  The original temp sending unit failed and both units I replaced it with are reading hot.  Before the original sending unit failed, it was reading cool to normal during regular use.  The only thing I've changed since then are the plugs and points. 

If I have a resistance chart for the sending unit, I can take a measurement to determine if it's the coolant gauge on the dashboard or if the car is actually overheating.  I ran the car until the temperature gauge read normal with the cap off and stuck a thermometer in the radiator and it read normal.

I'm stumped.  I'm going to see if the store has a thermal sensor I can rent.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on September 17, 2013, 08:27:20 PM
No luck.  The original temp sending unit failed and both units I replaced it with are reading hot.  Before the original sending unit failed, it was reading cool to normal during regular use.  The only thing I've changed since then are the plugs and points. 

If I have a resistance chart for the sending unit, I can take a measurement to determine if it's the coolant gauge on the dashboard or if the car is actually overheating.  I ran the car until the temperature gauge read normal with the cap off and stuck a thermometer in the radiator and it read normal.

I'm stumped.  I'm going to see if the store has a thermal sensor I can rent.

Does it smell hot when it's running?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 17, 2013, 08:43:20 PM
Not that I've noticed.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 17, 2013, 08:43:42 PM
No luck.  The original temp sending unit failed and both units I replaced it with are reading hot.  Before the original sending unit failed, it was reading cool to normal during regular use.  The only thing I've changed since then are the plugs and points. 

If I have a resistance chart for the sending unit, I can take a measurement to determine if it's the coolant gauge on the dashboard or if the car is actually overheating.  I ran the car until the temperature gauge read normal with the cap off and stuck a thermometer in the radiator and it read normal.

I'm stumped.  I'm going to see if the store has a thermal sensor I can rent.

Do this first, I changed the gauge pack in the firebird when I was 18 or 19. I had to get a different sender cause it was reading to high/resistance. Afterword it was a-ok so if you have the info for the sender use it first. Always diagnose before you go to the auto store, much cheaper that way.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on September 17, 2013, 10:53:59 PM
Chris, I'm going to guess that your temp sender is a single plug style.  I saved this article for my old Dodge pickup that has basically the same problem as your car, only I haven't had the time to tear into it yet.  I hope this helps.  I've bolded the text on the bit that would be easy for you to try, and might be your solution:

Quote
Checking the accuracy of a short sweep temperature gauge (one that uses a single terminal sender): This gauge typically has 3 terminals on the rear of the gauge (not including the light connections). It sends a signal out to the sender from the “S” terminal, and it is the senders job to vary this signals resistance to ground. With this said, for a sender and gauge to operate, then sender must be threaded into something that is grounded since the ground path for the sender is actually the sender mounting threads. The gauge itself really is nothing more than a fine tuned & calibrated ohm meter. To check the gauge, you will need a controlled and measurable resistance to ground source. Many shops that deal with automotive electrical repair have what is called a gauge tester, which is really a switchboard with different resistance values. The Auto Meter 100 to 250 degree, short sweep temperature gauge uses a specification of 1123 ohms of resistance to ground to = 100 degrees F, and 65 ohms of resistance to ground to = 250 degrees F. You may contact our Service Department for further specs.
If you do not have access to a gauge tester, you may always start with the sender. To check the sender, warm the engine up to a stable temperature. Have an ohm meter ready, as well as the tool(s) needed to remove the wire off of the sender.
With the engine running/idling, notice what the gauge is reading, and write this down the reading. With the engine still idling, remove the wire off of the sender, then hook the positive wire of your ohm meter to the sender where the sender wire was. Now hook the negative wire of your ohm meter to ground. What resistance do you measure?
I will give you some examples to help you determine what to do next.
Let’s say that the gauge read 210 degrees, and then you took a measurement of 123 ohms. This would mean that the gauge was reading exactly as it should. And if you thought the engine was running hotter than that, or colder than that, either the sender is the problem (remember the gauge was reading perfectly based on the information from the sender), or the engine really is running that temperature.
Another example for you: You suspect the gauge is reading hotter than actual, and you measure the resistance of the sender again. You measure 253 ohms, and the gauge reads 210 degrees. In this case, the sender is at 170 degrees (based on the resistance measurement), and the gauge is not responding the way it should. In this case, either the ground to the gauge itself is insufficient (which will cause a too high reading), or the gauge is out of calibration.
Never trust how a ground looks. If your gauge shows higher than normal and the sender tests where it should, then run a new dedicated ground from the threaded portion of the gauge ground terminal to an engine ground and see if the problem persists.

http://www.autometer.com/tech_faq_answer.aspx?sid=1&qid=57
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 18, 2013, 12:13:53 AM
Damn.  I was hoping you'd find a way for me to test the gauge while it was still in the car.

I did not find a resistance chart for the sender unit.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on September 18, 2013, 09:25:45 AM
Damn.  I was hoping you'd find a way for me to test the gauge while it was still in the car.

I did not find a resistance chart for the sender unit.
Try running a dedicated ground to the gauge.  I haven't seen your temp gauge, but you might be able to do that without even removing it. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 21, 2013, 01:48:49 PM
The temperature gauge is definitely off.  I got a thermal sensor and checked all the heater hoses and manifolds.  At 150° degrees, the gauge in the car read between normal and hot (about 3/4 up) before the thermostat had opened.  The sending unit screws into the intake manifold.

In other news, my little buddy came back.  My brother found him wandering down the street last week and brought him in.  He ran away the next morning when the door was opened.

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 21, 2013, 09:01:46 PM
$50 for a voltage regulator for the instrument panel.  Ouch.

I'm seeing them for sale between $32 and almost $80.  The store down the street sells one for a little over $50.

The one I've got is a voltage reducer... it's supposed to step down from 12v to 6v for the gauges.  I'm getting a steady 12 volts, nothing else.  The analog regulator is supposed to fluctuate between 0-12v to supply 6v for the temperature gauge. 

My dash lights still don't work.  I don't have any of these tiny bulbs to replace them with.  I wasn't getting current when I tried to test the light socket.  The circuit for the dash lights run through the light switch on the dash.  I believe there is an inline fuse for the dash lights that is not part of the fuse box... I saw something but wasn't able to get a closer look.


edity: Hmm, there is a 1981 Mustang @ the Pull-A-Part that uses the same regulator.  It's on.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 22, 2013, 03:30:35 PM
Heh. $6 for the voltage regulator from a 1969 Ford F150.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 22, 2013, 03:33:04 PM
Heh. $6 for the voltage regulator from a 1969 Ford F150.

WHOOT  love the junk yards...and the knowledge to know the cross reference...good job bud. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 22, 2013, 03:40:28 PM
I would have come home with brake rotors for my Toyota but don't have a 1 1/2-inch socket.

The Ford had the same 2-barrel Autolite carburetor but it was in a tough spot to get to.  I need to snag one to rebuild.  No luck tracking down a 4-barrel small block.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 22, 2013, 03:43:48 PM
I have done that more times than I care to think about...seen something in a junk yard and didn't have the means to retrieve it...go back and its gone.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on September 22, 2013, 05:12:22 PM
I would have come home with brake rotors for my Toyota but don't have a 1 1/2-inch socket.

The Ford had the same 2-barrel Autolite carburetor but it was in a tough spot to get to.  I need to snag one to rebuild.  No luck tracking down a 4-barrel small block.

I would've guessed 289 4 bbls would be as common as fleas on a hound.   :???:   
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 22, 2013, 05:23:11 PM
I would've guessed 289 4 bbls would be as common as fleas on a hound.   :???:   
That's what I thought.  I got nothing.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on September 22, 2013, 05:37:01 PM
Tried this one?

http://www.partshotlines.com/

or this one?

http://www.teddybearsusedparts.com/



You never know.    When I use to frequent junkyards in Fla back in the '60's they use to be able to find anything for me through the junkyard network which was like a teletype system.  Surely they must have improved on that. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 22, 2013, 05:50:01 PM
The yards around here do not have anything earlier than the 90s... they do not help the other yards by sending you or calling to check for parts elsewhere either. My best friend in HS his uncles owned a yard in Minnesota, they had a intercom system with all the yards in the area, and they got kickbacks from other owners for the referral...they also had a better system layout in their yards than I have here. There were ford sections chevy sections etc. Col setups.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 22, 2013, 05:55:55 PM
The Pull-a-Part here makes an effort to keep older vehicles available but parts aren't as abundant as they were 10-15 years ago.  They have a "vintage" section for older vehicles but their search system only lists cars by name.  I had to pick and choose separate models and check the oldest ones to find what I wanted.  They've been around awhile.

I'm not familiar enough with the traditional junkyards around here to make a bunch of phone calls.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 22, 2013, 06:07:32 PM
Poking around online, I found a reference that says a four-barrel Ford small block was only available in 1968 as a high-compression option.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 22, 2013, 06:14:27 PM
Poking around online, I found a reference that says a four-barrel Ford small block was only available in 1968 as a high-compression option.

Not sure, fords are not my thing but I would think there would be plenty of them running around with the amount of V8 cars and trucks that company put out over the years.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 22, 2013, 06:22:46 PM
That's what I get for reading Wikipedia.  This came from Hemmings (http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/2006/02/01/hmn_feature24.html), but it's limited to Autolite/Motorcraft models:

1963-'65 Fairlane, 1964-'65 Comet and '65 Mustang with 289-cu.in. engine
1966-'74 Ford Lincoln and Mercury cars with 302, 351, 410, 429 and 460-cu.in. engines


Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 22, 2013, 06:31:00 PM
My buddy who has a 68 Fairlane (think its 68) said intakes for 260/289/302 and a odd 255 (never heard of 255 but hey) will fit...and he said that the autolite 4100 carb is 600 cfm and the build kit is $20 he has one on his car. He said they are plentiful here. I told him to keep his eyes open so well see.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 22, 2013, 07:16:49 PM
Speaking of interchangeable parts, the F-100 seat looked identical to the one in the Fairlane.  Same hardware, same dimensions.

I'll have to get pictures of my seat covers to compare the ones I found for sale.  The upholstery Dearborn Classics sells doesn't seem to match -- my seats aren't white.  This is what they sent me:

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/IMAG0139_zpsb8acf601.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/IMAG0139_zpsb8acf601.jpg.html)

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/IMAG0140_zps3de15f23.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/IMAG0140_zps3de15f23.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on September 22, 2013, 08:26:12 PM
The yards around here do not have anything earlier than the 90s... they do not help the other yards by sending you or calling to check for parts elsewhere either. My best friend in HS his uncles owned a yard in Minnesota, they had a intercom system with all the yards in the area, and they got kickbacks from other owners for the referral...they also had a better system layout in their yards than I have here. There were ford sections chevy sections etc. Col setups.

You know it may have been an intercom system not TTY or maybe both were in use in Fla. because when you mention intercom I immediately remembered one yard that had that system.  Junkyards and cars from impound yards, ah the good old days.  Who needs a trunk key when you have a straight blade screwdriver? :naughty:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 22, 2013, 08:26:52 PM
Nice seat covers. I got some for my 19th b-day from my parents for the firebird, I got the hog rings, pliers and installed them. Took some time but they came out good.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 22, 2013, 08:30:16 PM
Here are the F-250 seat covers I found.  I'll have to compare them to the ones in the car.  They're about $50 cheaper than the ones I was sent pictures of.

http://macsautoparts.com/ford-pickup-truck-bench-seat-cover-set-ford-f250-xlt-ranger-red-corinthian-grain-vinyl-with-red-corinthian-grain-vinyl-inserts-d3tz-bench-xred/camid/FPU/cp/D10H9U6E1000172/
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 22, 2013, 08:32:37 PM
my 19th b-day
Wow, I thought I was good at procrastinating.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 22, 2013, 08:34:51 PM
Wow, I thought I was good at procrastinating.

 :rotf: smart arse...they were back in the car like 2 days after I opened them... :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 22, 2013, 08:37:28 PM
Try running a dedicated ground to the gauge.  I haven't seen your temp gauge, but you might be able to do that without even removing it. 
The temp gauge grounds to the instrument cluster body. :p
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: marv on September 24, 2013, 09:54:37 AM
[bronco-hijack]

Got the '89 Bronco back from the shop. Replaced the two rear quarters and wheel housings, and some other small stuff. The "cancer" is cured! (http://www.conservativecave.com/Smileys/default/happy.gif)

Shop boss wanted to paint the black tailgate, but I said no, it's my trademark. Looks like it just came off the assembly line now.

(http://members.socket.net/~mcruzan/images/Bronco.jpg)

[/bronco-hijack]
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 24, 2013, 10:28:25 AM
Did they weld the new fenders or some other method?

The Fairlane has a couple of rust spots that need to be fixed, mostly where the weatherstripping around the trunk failed.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: marv on September 24, 2013, 10:49:43 AM
Quote
Did they weld the new fenders or some other method?

The Fairlane has a couple of rust spots that need to be fixed, mostly where the weatherstripping around the trunk failed.

The quarter panels and wheel housings were welded at the seams like the factory. I had the option of going the less expensive route of metal replacement vs entire panel replacement. I chose to spend the bucks, and avoid exposed surface welds.

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 26, 2013, 09:15:57 PM
Headed back to the junkyard for another try this weekend.  On my shopping list is a rebuildable Autolite carb and two usable brake rotors for the Toyota.

I got nothing done this week... I raked some leaves until it got dark Tuesday and left them there the rest of week.  I suck at home ownership. :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 27, 2013, 09:18:06 PM
Good luck with the junkyard trip hope ya find some stuff.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 27, 2013, 09:23:52 PM
Good luck with the junkyard trip hope ya find some stuff.
You wanna help me rake some leaves?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 27, 2013, 09:26:13 PM
You wanna help me rake some leaves?

ROFLMAO I mow mine ...i don't rake...hehehe
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 27, 2013, 09:32:20 PM
With any luck I'll be doing this tomorrow.

[youtube=640,480]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-K842VB_J0[/youtube]
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 27, 2013, 09:56:40 PM
Well I didn't watch that yet...lol but carbs aren't hard to rebuild just make sure its VERY clean and all ports are blown out before you reassemble. The butterfly plates if you remove them (if you can on that card some are pressed in place no screws) have one way they go on the shaft..look at the bevel and make sure they are all the same and the throttle plates shut completely and don't hang...if you are looking for carbs in the junkyard make sure the throttle shaft has little to no side play. if it has excess you will have vacuum leaks at the throttle shafts. anyhow I have found a lot of carbs in the yards for rebuilt.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 27, 2013, 10:00:20 PM
I rebuild the SUs on my MGB and never removed the throttle shafts. 

I'm not too worried about them but I think 90% of my driveability issues are carb-related.  I really need to get this choke functioning correctly or find some other way to deal with it (electric or manual conversion).  I would really rather have a manual choke on the car.  Since the heater core has been removed, I can probably remove the heater knob for a choke pull.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 28, 2013, 07:12:30 PM
No luck at the junkyard.  I did a little better online.  I found a guy in Clarksville, TN selling half a dozen Autolite and Motorcraft carbs.  He's asking a little more than the junkyard wants (he's asking $50, they're usually about $30 from the Pull-a-Part) and I'm meeting him tomorrow. 

I emailed one guy with a Holley four-barrel ($35) and another guy with a Holley intake for a Ford small block/Windsor ($80).
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: JohnnyReb on September 28, 2013, 07:40:49 PM
Just made a trip to the grocery store for the wife....saw a damn nice pale yellow 65/66 2 dr HT Fairlane there....carry on.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 28, 2013, 07:54:42 PM
Just made a trip to the grocery store for the wife....saw a damn nice pale yellow 65/66 2 dr HT Fairlane there....carry on.
Nice.

It was a toss-up between the '63 and the '64.  The '64 is very attractive, but I wanted one with fins.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 29, 2013, 01:00:03 PM
No luck at the junkyard.  I did a little better online.  I found a guy in Clarksville, TN selling half a dozen Autolite and Motorcraft carbs.  He's asking a little more than the junkyard wants (he's asking $50, they're usually about $30 from the Pull-a-Part) and I'm meeting him tomorrow.  

I emailed one guy with a Holley four-barrel ($35) and another guy with a Holley intake for a Ford small block/Windsor ($80).

I have never been a holly fan, I had a 750 DP on my firebird and never could get it dialed in like I liked, the low end sucked, it only had good WOT operation.....rebuilt, tuned and modified a Rochester q-jet and I got back the low end and had everything in between. An added bonus was I picked up a few MPG as well. If it was me go for the stock carb and tune it. if you are not track bound don't bother with the holly they suck for off-idle, MPG and anything else that isn't WOT.

edit for clarity added punctuation.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on September 29, 2013, 01:03:52 PM
rebuilt, tuned and modified a Rochester q-jet and I got back the low end and had everything in between.


I like the quadrajet, too.  It's a best of both worlds type of carb, with small primaries and huge secondaries.

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 29, 2013, 01:08:35 PM
Yep and if you purchase a book or two for the part numbers and the tips/tricks, you can learn ALL the versatility that carb has...you can get the best of both worlds (to a point) of power AND economy.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on September 29, 2013, 01:16:39 PM
Yep and if you purchase a book or two for the part numbers and the tips/tricks, you can learn ALL the versatility that carb has...you can get the best of both worlds (to a point) of power AND economy.

I think Chris may have a hard time finding a manifold or an adapter plate that would fit his old Ford, though.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 29, 2013, 01:22:25 PM
yea what I meant but didn't convey properly that I think he should use a stock/modified autolite ...not q-jet....hehe Ill keep the q-jets. lol
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on September 29, 2013, 01:40:39 PM
yea what I meant but didn't convey properly that I think he should use a stock/modified autolite ...not q-jet....hehe Ill keep the q-jets. lol

I had a '67 code quadrajet on my '66 Toronado (all the 66 code quads were brought in for a recall for fuel bowl fires).  When I first bought the car, I had to endure the usual rigmarole of "you should put a Holley on that", and whatever else you'd usually hear.  I had it rebuilt by a competent rebuilder, and then hit to tweaking and tuning it myself.  I was really impressed with how it ran.  I was more impressed with how it sounded when the secondaries opened up.  :naughty:   
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 29, 2013, 02:14:43 PM
I got a replacement for my Autolite 2100 for $40.  It has the original Ford carb tag and the same style dashpot.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/autolite2100_zps1fc77351.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/autolite2100_zps1fc77351.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 29, 2013, 04:03:12 PM
Looks like a good candidate for rebuild mania...hehe
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 29, 2013, 04:37:39 PM
I'm turning the mud room downstairs into a workshop since the garage is full.  Already got my tools moved in and most of the table cleared of junk left over from when I moved in.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 29, 2013, 04:43:43 PM
man I tell ya you wont regret having a air conditioned work room in the summer time and heated in the winter...
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 29, 2013, 09:29:47 PM
Yeah, if I can keep my cat from knocking stuff onto the floor when I'm not there.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on September 29, 2013, 09:36:26 PM
Yeah, if I can keep my cat from knocking stuff onto the floor when I'm not there.

Good luck with that.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 30, 2013, 08:31:12 PM
Yeah, if I can keep my cat from knocking stuff onto the floor when I'm not there.

hehe well you could shut the door...
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 30, 2013, 08:40:09 PM
hehe well you could shut the door...
Well, the doors in the basement don't exactly close. :-)

This house is pretty old.  I'll have to get a wood plane and shave a few layers of wood and paint off the doors to get them to fit back into the doorjamb.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on September 30, 2013, 08:46:17 PM
Well, the doors in the basement don't exactly close. :-)

This house is pretty old.  I'll have to get a wood plane and shave a few layers of wood and paint off the doors to get them to fit back into the doorjamb.

Well snap to it bubba dem kitties gonna need to stay out....lol
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on September 30, 2013, 10:56:29 PM
Well, the doors in the basement don't exactly close. :-)

This house is pretty old.  I'll have to get a wood plane and shave a few layers of wood and paint off the doors to get them to fit back into the doorjamb.

Also check and make sure the door hinge screws are snug on the door and the jamb. 

I had one door here in my 1937 home that just needed the screws done up on the bottom hinge, and I swore for years it was the paint making it all wonky.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 30, 2013, 10:59:08 PM
1951 here. 

I should take a closer look.  I'm more concerned about the exit since it has an aluminum frame over the concrete doorjamb.  That's why I've been hesitant to mess with the doors.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 03, 2013, 09:31:32 PM
I haven't done a damn thing since last weekend.  I can't find the timing marks on the pulley or the timing cover.  I guess I just need to plug up the timing light and try to find them with the engine running.

Installing the door weatherstripping has been on my mind all week.  It needs to get done.


Someone recommended holding a piece of fine sandpaper against the pulley while it was running to clean up rust and uncover the timing marks.  I know I have some 1000-grit around here somewhere, but I like my fingers too much to try it yet.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on October 04, 2013, 03:48:50 PM
hehe well coming from an ex-machinist you will want to do that with utmost care. There are a lot of guys in that industry that have had broken fingers or worse from sanding a part on a lathe. If it was me I would get some steel wool and do it by hand with the engine NOT running. If you get caught in a belt your keyboard days will be over for a spell or worse.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 04, 2013, 03:53:58 PM
I have steel wool.  I can do that.  :-)

Supposed to rain Sunday.  Bah.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 05, 2013, 05:08:18 PM
I am not having any luck.  I cleaned the pulley surface with some 180-grit sandpaper (I wore gloves) and can NOT find any timing marks on this motor at all. The only thing on the pulley is "2L" or "72"... it's hard to read.  I disconnected the coil and bumped the motor all the way around with the starter and checked every inch of the pulley surface.

I think I found the timing indicator.  It's a pointy nub that is part of the timing cover.  There is no numbered gauge like later cars.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on October 05, 2013, 05:21:55 PM
I am not having any luck.  I cleaned the pulley surface with some 180-grit sandpaper (I wore gloves) and can NOT find any timing marks on this motor at all. The only thing on the pulley is "2L" or "72"... it's hard to read.  I disconnected the coil and bumped the motor all the way around with the starter and checked every inch of the pulley surface.

I think I found the timing indicator.  It's a pointy nub that is part of the timing cover.  There is no numbered gauge like later cars.

The harmonic balancer part of the pulley is still attached to the pulley, right?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 05, 2013, 05:22:53 PM
I don't think there is one on this car.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 05, 2013, 05:25:49 PM
I hooked the timing light up to the #1 ignition wire and pointed the light at the pulley after cleaning it.  It's nice and shiny, but there is just nothing there.

This (http://www.mustangdepot.com/OnLineCatalog/images/Engine/C4AZ-6019-B.jpg) is the cover for the front of the engine.  You can see the timing indicator @ 1:00
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on October 05, 2013, 07:07:35 PM
I hooked the timing light up to the #1 ignition wire and pointed the light at the pulley after cleaning it.  It's nice and shiny, but there is just nothing there.

This (http://www.mustangdepot.com/OnLineCatalog/images/Engine/C4AZ-6019-B.jpg) is the cover for the front of the engine.  You can see the timing indicator @ 1:00

You might have to make your own timing mark on that pulley, if there isn't one.

Is it possibly a notch on the back side of the pulley?

I think my old 240 Volvo has that instead of a regular notch.  It's harder than shit to see.  I found it once, and marked it with some white-out.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 05, 2013, 08:46:24 PM
Not that I could see.  Someone mentioned their 260 has a dimple on the pulley where TDC is supposed to be, but I didn't see one of those either.

I started taking the Motorcraft carb I bought apart.  It's full of sand. :p
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on October 05, 2013, 09:38:17 PM
Not that I could see.  Someone mentioned their 260 has a dimple on the pulley where TDC is supposed to be, but I didn't see one of those either.

I started taking the Motorcraft carb I bought apart.  It's full of sand. :p

Make sure to do a dip on that carb and blow through all the ports with air compressor if you have it...sand WILL clog those tiny idle and off idle circuits. If you don't have any chemdip use a few cans of carb cleaner....last thing you want to do is go through the effort and gaskets to have to do over cause it wasn't clean the first time.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 05, 2013, 09:56:49 PM
I pulled the needles out and and they were all crusty.

This thing is nasty.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on October 05, 2013, 10:16:24 PM
This is what ya need

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/BRY3/0996/N0406.oap?ck=Search_N0406_-1_-1&pt=N0406&ppt=C0090

Don't have to buy from them just to link so you can see it, but Berryman Chem-Dip in the gallon is awesome. It has a small basket for parts. Just dip the carb parts all of them that fit for a few hours and rinse off and blow out the ports and you WONT have any dirt/grease/varnish left. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 05, 2013, 11:44:29 PM
I was going to buy that.  I didn't realize there was a basket inside, though.  That really helps.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on October 06, 2013, 08:25:56 AM
yea its a great product...but try to keep it off your hands. It stinks and does not was off very easily.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 06, 2013, 02:21:04 PM
Looks like I'm going to have to do the timing the old-fashioned way.  I built a pair of piston bump-stops for $8 (they sell for $20).
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on October 06, 2013, 04:23:55 PM
Looks like I'm going to have to do the timing the old-fashioned way.  I built a pair of piston bump-stops for $8 (they sell for $20).

I thought that was to put a little drag on the distributor nut, start the engine then rotate the distributor until it sounded good. :whistling: 

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 06, 2013, 06:40:50 PM
I thought that was to put a little drag on the distributor nut, start the engine then rotate the distributor until it sounded good. :whistling: 
I considered doing that, but the problem doesn't show up until after you've driven it for a while.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on October 06, 2013, 07:23:33 PM
I thought that was to put a little drag on the distributor nut, start the engine then rotate the distributor until it sounded good. :whistling: 



Been there done that wore out the t-shirt....some cars don't time well like that or you spend DAYS doing it....lol
Plus if he wants to get after changing the internal timing curve he will need the light to check his work... was hoping you would find a chisel or a crayon mark for god sake when you cleaned it up.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: obumazombie on October 06, 2013, 08:29:23 PM
Been there done that wore out the t-shirt....some cars don't time well like that or you spend DAYS doing it....lol
Plus if he wants to get after changing the internal timing curve he will need the light to check his work... was hoping you would find a chisel or a crayon mark for god sake when you cleaned it up.
Get the coffee cup next time. They don't wear out as fast !
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on October 06, 2013, 08:35:43 PM
Get the coffee cup next time. They don't wear out as fast !

 :rotf: smart azz.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 08, 2013, 08:15:12 PM
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/disassembly1_zps745a214c.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/disassembly1_zps745a214c.jpg.html)

Finally got the atomizers venturis removed... you have to push up from the bottom.  They have some freaky needle attached to them that I haven't seen before.  I don't know what it is and it wasn't included in my rebuild kit.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/disassembly17_zpsa685043f.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/disassembly17_zpsa685043f.jpg.html)

I did a little digging.  This carb came from a 1977 Ford truck.  There's more stampings on the body, but that is what I could find from the tag.


Found it... #38: air metering rod assembly (http://www.carburetion.com/diags/diagimg/f2-2150.jpg)


---> instructions (http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/pdf_documents/motorcraft_2150_carb.pdf) :II:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on October 08, 2013, 08:41:03 PM
Joo needs to soak that thing boy!
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 08, 2013, 08:43:41 PM
:rofl: All the dirt and crap on the table is what came off the carb.

I'll pick up a can of Berryman's on the way home tomorrow.  I didn't feel like paying $40 for it last weekend, but Auto Zone has it.  I get $20 in store credit for every $100 I spend there, so I'll get some money back at some point.

Also, the manager at the Auto Zone (Jerry) is a ringer for Walter White.  He's a really nice fellow but from some of the stories I've heard him tell, I don't think I'd want to get on his bad side.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 08, 2013, 08:56:00 PM
I am considering having the exterior repainted white.  I know color has no bearing on the cost of a repaint, but I think this car would look so much better in white.  I would keep the interior the same chestnut/red color since it works with the chrome on the dash.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on October 08, 2013, 09:06:36 PM
:rofl: All the dirt and crap on the table is what came off the carb.

I'll pick up a can of Berryman's on the way home tomorrow.  I didn't feel like paying $40 for it last weekend, but Auto Zone has it.  I get $20 in store credit for every $100 I spend there, so I'll get some money back at some point.

Also, the manager at the Auto Zone (Jerry) is a ringer for Walter White.  He's a really nice fellow but from some of the stories I've heard him tell, I don't think I'd want to get on his bad side.

Don't know who Walter White is but your buying goods from the man just be nice and you wont have any issues...if ya do go somewhere else...lol
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 08, 2013, 09:07:48 PM
Don't know who Walter White is but your buying goods from the man just be nice and you wont have any issues...if ya do go somewhere else...lol
What?  Debi's not making you watch 'Breaking Bad'?

Dude, you're missing out.  THAT is TV worth watching.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: IassaFTots on October 08, 2013, 09:10:52 PM
What?  Debi's not making you watch 'Breaking Bad'?

Dude, you're missing out.  THAT is TV worth watching.

Hey man.  TV?  We ain't got time for that!  We don't even have those cable channels, and never used netflix.   :panic:  We did go to the theater this past weekend, and saw "Rush."  Awesome movie, but we wouldn't have gone if I didn't have free movie tickets.  For realz!
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 08, 2013, 09:11:20 PM
I'll bootleg you guys a copy after they release all five seasons.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on October 08, 2013, 09:18:50 PM
HAHA ok well we might get around to watch sooner or later ...we don't plan out evenings around the TV but if you say its good Ill be willing to give it a look.  :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: IassaFTots on October 08, 2013, 09:22:25 PM
I'll bootleg you guys a copy after they release all five seasons.

5 seasons?  Holy Moses!  Cool!
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 08, 2013, 09:23:49 PM
I didn't start watching it until season 3.  There's only a couple shows I try to catch regularly but my brother always has something planned.  If it's not hockey, it's cooking shows.

Someone send him an application for "Chopped".  You wouldn't believe how staged that show it.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 12, 2013, 07:03:01 PM
No luck. :mad:

I turned the motor over to what I thought was the compression stroke and installed the piston stop tool.  I marked each rotation on the pulley wheel in line with the timing mark, put everything back together, and hooked up a timing light.  Nothing.  It's possible I turned the motor over too far or it might have been on the exhaust stroke instead.  In that case, I would have just marked the wrong side of the wheel.  Also, I managed to damage one or more of the plug wires and may have put one back on in the wrong place.

Another wasted day.  I'll give it another shot tomorrow.  That first spark plug is hard to reach... I had to use a foot-long socket extension to reach it.  Otherwise, you're just going to end up cursing and dropping stuff.

I spent the rest of the day raking leaves.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 12, 2013, 08:47:09 PM
I should probably make this easier on myself and take off the passenger-side valve cover. :p

I try not to do stuff like that.  I don't know if the valve covers have ever been off the motor and I don't have a replacement right now.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on October 12, 2013, 08:48:19 PM
I should probably make this easier on myself and take off the passenger-side valve cover. :p

I try not to do stuff like that.  I don't know if the valve covers have ever been off the motor and I don't have a replacement right now.

No guts, no glory. What's a gasket among friends, anyway?  :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on October 13, 2013, 12:11:17 PM
No guts, no glory. What's a gasket among friends, anyway?  :-)

HEHE

Yep the valve cover removed would make all that much easier. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: JohnnyReb on October 13, 2013, 03:32:27 PM
In my youth I once rebuilt a '57 312 Thunderbird engine. The battery was weak when I dropped the engine back in the car and so it was dead before I got the timing and everything just so. So we pushed (automatic to boot) around the neighborhood for awhile and it never hit a lick. Stopped several times to check points gap, wiring, gas, timing......after about a half dozen of this adjustment stops with the distributor cap off each time I realized I had the rotor button in my pocket. :lmao:

I did much better with diesel engines.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on October 13, 2013, 03:34:35 PM
I didn't start watching it until season 3.  There's only a couple shows I try to catch regularly but my brother always has something planned.  If it's not hockey, it's cooking shows.

Someone send him an application for "Chopped".  You wouldn't believe how staged that show it.

You can always enjoy this one for the vintage cars if you don't like the show itself.

http://www.hulu.com/crime-story
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on October 13, 2013, 03:35:17 PM
In my youth I once rebuilt a '57 312 Thunderbird engine. The battery was weak when I dropped the engine back in the car and so it was dead before I got the timing and everything just so. So we pushed (automatic to boot) around the neighborhood for awhile and it never hit a lick. Stopped several times to check points gap, wiring, gas, timing......after about a half dozen of this adjustment stops with the distributor cap off each time I realized I had the rotor button in my pocket. :lmao:

I did much better with diesel engines.

 :lmao: I hate when that happens....
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on October 13, 2013, 03:39:22 PM
No guts, no glory. What's a gasket among friends, anyway?  :-)

Sheet cork, gasket shellac, and a ball peen hammer? :tongue:  Now a cotter pin can be anything from a hair pin to diaper pin but that is a whole 'nuther story.  Too bad they cheapened up beer cans and bailing wire. :whistling:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on October 13, 2013, 04:18:09 PM
Sheet cork, gasket shellac, and a ball peen hammer? :tongue:  Now a cotter pin can be anything from a hair pin to diaper pin but that is a whole 'nuther story.  Too bad they cheapened up beer cans and bailing wire. :whistling:

Man I cant tell you how many times cork roll or gasket roll saved my bacon! When you own old or odd stuff sometimes gaskets are hard to come by.....or its 2:00 in the am...lol
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 13, 2013, 07:11:05 PM
I had to remove a steel vent line from the carburetor to remove the valve cover, but I think I got the entire compression stroke marked on the pulley.  I didn't get any further than that, but I did get two new clothes racks put up in the bedroom.  Maybe I can start hanging up some of these clothes that have been sitting in boxes since I moved here. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 23, 2013, 09:50:30 PM
The car lot down the street finally sold that blue Marlin.

In other news, I picked up an adjustable digital timing light.  Other than finding TDC on the crank pulley and advancing the timing light 10 degrees forward to match the factory timing, I'm not sure what I can do at this point.  Ignition timing is 10 degrees BTDC.  If I advance the timing light ten degrees, it SHOULD line up with the TDC mark.  That's the only thing I can think of that I can use.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 27, 2013, 08:28:11 PM
I got all the spark plugs torqued correctly, replaced all the wires in the correct order, and set the choke on the carburetor.  Damn thing fired right up and ran perfectly.  No stomping on the gas or stalling and the stumble seems to be gone.

I didn't take it for a drive since I removed the instrument cluster.  I spent the rest of the day wiping off the hackberry crud with a wet, soapy towel.  I forgot there was a car under there.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on October 27, 2013, 09:20:35 PM
I got all the spark plugs torqued correctly, replaced all the wires in the correct order, and set the choke on the carburetor.  Damn thing fired right up and ran perfectly.  No stomping on the gas or stalling and the stumble seems to be gone.

I didn't take it for a drive since I removed the instrument cluster.  I spent the rest of the day wiping off the hackberry crud with a wet, soapy towel.  I forgot there was a car under there.

Cool glad you got it running smoothly,and got the timing mark sorted.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 27, 2013, 09:32:53 PM
Cool glad you got it running smoothly,and got the timing mark sorted.

I didn't quite get that far yet, but I'm hoping replacing the spark plug wires will help.  I wonder if I mixed up one or two of them with the last set of wires I put on.  I found out at the last minute that the #1 plug is already marked on the distributor cap.  I was 180 degrees off.

I have a new problem.  The motor seems to run smooth and quiet but something on the front is loose and causing some shaking.  Maybe a belt or I loosened the crank pulley while messing around with it.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on October 27, 2013, 09:43:03 PM
Yea a loose pulley or harmonic balancer would give you a slight shaking. If its the balancer I would not run it till that is torqued back to spec....will cause devastation if it comes loose.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 27, 2013, 09:45:00 PM
I'm trying to get into the habit of using a torque wrench when re-installing anything.  I paid for it, I might as well get some use out of it.

There's no harmonic balancer on this motor, only a belt pulley.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: landofconfusion80 on October 28, 2013, 06:56:07 AM
Balancer would be good.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on October 28, 2013, 07:44:18 PM
I'm trying to get into the habit of using a torque wrench when re-installing anything.  I paid for it, I might as well get some use out of it.

There's no harmonic balancer on this motor, only a belt pulley.

I torque all bolts on a car if the spec is available or I can figure out what size the bolt is...i have charts for most threads/bolt size (yea weird I know). Is your motor one of those strange internal balanced jobs? or is it just missing the balancer?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 28, 2013, 08:46:01 PM
I assume it's internally balanced.  Everything on the motor looks stock... I don't think this motor came with a damper/balancer.

If I put one on, I'm changing out the camshaft as well.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 29, 2013, 06:14:25 PM
Hackberry Celtis Occiddentalis

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/PICT0262_zpsb14dde6a.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/PICT0262_zpsb14dde6a.jpg.html)

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/PICT0263_zpsd4e86ab6.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/PICT0263_zpsd4e86ab6.jpg.html)

:mad:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on October 29, 2013, 06:22:57 PM
Hackberry Celtis Occiddentalis

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/PICT0262_zpsb14dde6a.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/PICT0262_zpsb14dde6a.jpg.html)

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/PICT0263_zpsd4e86ab6.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/PICT0263_zpsd4e86ab6.jpg.html)

:mad:


WOW LOOK THERE'S PAINT UNDER THERE!!!!!!! :lmao:

far cry better then some of MY rides  :rotf:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 29, 2013, 06:26:33 PM
I think the cold weather may have finally killed off all the aphids. 

Didn't have this problem last year.  I drove my MGB all summer and it stayed perfectly clean.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on October 29, 2013, 06:26:50 PM
Damn. That crap looks lethal.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 29, 2013, 06:28:12 PM
Once you hose it down, it wipes right off.  It's not super-sticky... it's just bug poop.  A lot of bug poop.

You should see the Honda behind it.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on October 29, 2013, 08:50:39 PM
Hackberry Celtis Occiddentalis

:mad:


I had to do a double take on those photos.  I thought you had bought another car, and was giving it its first bath.  :rotf:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 29, 2013, 09:01:56 PM
Told you it was nasty.  If you have one of these in your yard, chop the ****er down.  Unfortunately, those trees are between the garage and the dog pen.

I could probably take the first two down.  The tree stump would make a nice picnic table.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 30, 2013, 08:42:11 PM
I hate this time of year.  By the time I get home from work, I've got about an hour of daylight left.

I might get some extra daylight after the DST change next week.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: thundley4 on October 30, 2013, 08:57:18 PM
I hate this time of year.  By the time I get home from work, I've got about an hour of daylight left.

I might get some extra daylight after the DST change next week.

Um, Fall Back. You'll lose that daylight after work. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 30, 2013, 09:42:24 PM
Um, Fall Back. You'll lose that daylight after work. 
:overreaction:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on October 30, 2013, 09:47:35 PM
You need a garage or at the very least some really good lights.  :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on October 30, 2013, 10:08:29 PM
:overreaction:

I know, right?

I sure need that extra hour of daylight in the morning so I don't have to use my car's headlights.   ::)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on November 03, 2013, 06:19:08 PM
I'm having a hell of a time finding 13-inch tires on Tire Rack. 

My next choice would be to upgrade to a larger steel wheel with matching hubcaps or maybe some chrome dress rings.  After conferring with some parts-counter goons, I spent the $50 on a replacement voltage regulator since neither one I have seems to be working correctly.  There's a plastic re-chromer in town and I think they'll rechrome the instrument cluster for under $100 (their minimum order is $45).  Got all the crud washed off and made some progress on the new weatherstripping... I took them out of the box and read the instructions.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on November 03, 2013, 08:43:48 PM
I'm having a hell of a time finding 13-inch tires on Tire Rack. 

My next choice would be to upgrade to a larger steel wheel with matching hubcaps or maybe some chrome dress rings.  After conferring with some parts-counter goons, I spent the $50 on a replacement voltage regulator since neither one I have seems to be working correctly.  There's a plastic re-chromer in town and I think they'll rechrome the instrument cluster for under $100 (their minimum order is $45).  Got all the crud washed off and made some progress on the new weatherstripping... I took them out of the box and read the instructions.

Yep 13's are hard to come by. I got 15 Corrado steel wheels and tires for what 13' tires would have run me on the VW. The up side to all this is if I need tires in a remote place I have a better chance of getting them right away than having to wait for a special order.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on November 09, 2013, 07:25:48 PM
I'm having a hell of a time finding touch-up aerosol paint for this thing.  Ford used the same paint code/shade (B4) up until 2003 on the Taurus, F-150, Crown Vic under different names (Chestnut, Autumn Brown).  I'm replacing the weatherstripping around the doors and some of it needs to be sanded back and repainted. 

It doesn't have to be perfect.  I'll settle for very close but PaintScratch.com wants $25 a can.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on November 09, 2013, 09:07:37 PM
I'm having a hell of a time finding touch-up aerosol paint for this thing.  Ford used the same paint code/shade (B4) up until 2003 on the Taurus, F-150, Crown Vic under different names (Chestnut, Autumn Brown).  I'm replacing the weatherstripping around the doors and some of it needs to be sanded back and repainted. 

It doesn't have to be perfect.  I'll settle for very close but PaintScratch.com wants $25 a can.

Do you have an O'Reilly's around you?  Some of them have paint stores inside that can mix up colors in rattle cans. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: thundley4 on November 09, 2013, 11:35:37 PM
What about Duplicolor paint?  A small spray can is usually less than $10 or so. Most auto stores carry it around here.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on November 09, 2013, 11:41:49 PM
I've checked with O'Reilly's and DupliColor... they just don't make it.  They do make B4 in those little pen applicator/scratch fixers, but not in an aerosol can.  I found a place online that will mix a can for $20 plus shipping but I'm trying to get the bare metal covered before it rains again.  There is a Sherwin Williams store that will mix automotive paint (acrylic enamel) into aerosol cans... I'm going to talk to them in the morning.  If they can't do it for a reasonable price, I'm just going to order them online and pray for no rain.

It's only for the window frame and that will mostly be covered by the new weatherstripping, but I'd rather not have to primer over it and try to paint around the primer and new rubber later.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on November 10, 2013, 06:56:54 AM
I've checked with O'Reilly's and DupliColor... they just don't make it.  They do make B4 in those little pen applicator/scratch fixers, but not in an aerosol can.  I found a place online that will mix a can for $20 plus shipping but I'm trying to get the bare metal covered before it rains again.  There is a Sherwin Williams store that will mix automotive paint (acrylic enamel) into aerosol cans... I'm going to talk to them in the morning.  If they can't do it for a reasonable price, I'm just going to order them online and pray for no rain.

It's only for the window frame and that will mostly be covered by the new weatherstripping, but I'd rather not have to primer over it and try to paint around the primer and new rubber later.

Good luck with the Sherwin Williams. They are usually very, very spendy.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on November 10, 2013, 08:56:12 AM
If you get a little flash rust from  rain, it's not a big deal.  Just make sure you carefully sand all of it away.  You should really gently sand anyways to make sure your touch up coat sticks well.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: marv on November 10, 2013, 10:15:49 AM
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Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on November 10, 2013, 08:46:25 PM
If you get a little flash rust from  rain, it's not a big deal.  Just make sure you carefully sand all of it away.  You should really gently sand anyways to make sure your touch up coat sticks well.

When I was younger I worked for a stent in an auto body shop. We used a product called Metal Etch. I just did a search for it and I cant find it, may not be available now, but all you had to do was spray it on the metal after you sanded the area and it would keep the steel from oxidizing for a few days if needed. All you had to do is hit the area with a scotch bright pad to scuff it up for the primer coat and then paint. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on November 10, 2013, 08:57:22 PM
I thought most primers had metal etching incorporated with it.

I struck out at Sherwin Williams today.  The only store that does automotive paint is downtown.  I'll try again later.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on November 10, 2013, 09:14:10 PM
Most do but this product was much stronger. It would take day or two surface oxidation off with just a spray. Great stuff but not needed just make sure to scuff up the area before you prime and paint.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on November 10, 2013, 09:16:20 PM
I have a metal converter from Eastwood that will completely prevent rust from forming.  At this point, I'm planning on grinding the adhesive/rubber crud off and simply primering it until I can get a paint match some time this week. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on November 10, 2013, 09:33:11 PM
Most do but this product was much stronger. It would take day or two surface oxidation off with just a spray. Great stuff but not needed just make sure to scuff up the area before you prime and paint.

Yeah, you can get etching primer at most auto body places.  Good stuff.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on November 11, 2013, 10:14:12 AM
I called Sherwin Williams... they only want $18 a can and I can pick it up on Wednesday.  I ordered acrylic enamel, which is what I think the original paint is.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on November 11, 2013, 10:18:20 AM
I called Sherwin Williams... they only want $18 a can and I can pick it up on Wednesday.  I ordered acrylic enamel, which is what I think the original paint is.

Did they even have acrylic anything back in 1963?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on November 11, 2013, 10:21:17 AM
I called Sherwin Williams... they only want $18 a can and I can pick it up on Wednesday.  I ordered acrylic enamel, which is what I think the original paint is.

here is a site that claims to give you the proper pain codes. I would do some more research.

http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?year=1963&manuf=Ford&model=Fairlane&con=ymo&rows=50
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on November 11, 2013, 10:44:34 AM
here is a site that claims to give you the proper pain codes. I would do some more research.

http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?year=1963&manuf=Ford&model=Fairlane&con=ymo&rows=50
That's the one I used.

The '63 paint chip didn't have a Sherwin Williams code on it so I gave them the one for the 2000 Ford.  It looks close enough... I will try it out on some trim pieces I pulled off first.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on November 16, 2013, 09:44:08 PM
So the paint I paid Sherwin Williams for is way too dark.  Oh well.  I didn't go overboard with it, but it will be difficult to mask.  I think I'll just hit it with some primer and suck it up.  Did I mention I wanted to repaint the car white?  Not refrigerator white, but something with a little tan in it.

I went window-shopping for an R134a compressor and the closest one I found that matches the weird setup on the Fairlane is a 1996 Explorer. The bolts will require some shims to get it to fit and I'll have to replace the evaporator as well.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on November 16, 2013, 10:17:51 PM
I went window-shopping for an R134a compressor and the closest one I found that matches the weird setup on the Fairlane is a 1996 Explorer. The bolts will require some shims to get it to fit and I'll have to replace the evaporator as well.

Do you have vinyl seats? 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on November 16, 2013, 10:26:05 PM
Do you have vinyl seats? 
Yes :???:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on November 16, 2013, 10:28:08 PM
Yes :???:

I was just wondering.  Cloth seats I can stand to not have A/C.  Vinyl is a different story.  I don't like telling the temperature by how badly my legs have stuck to the seat. 

I put up with no A/C in the MG and the Z, because it's more work that it's worth for the amount I drive them.   
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on November 16, 2013, 10:29:31 PM
I was just wondering.  Cloth seats I can stand to not have A/C.  Vinyl is a different story.  I don't like telling the temperature by how badly my legs have stuck to the seat. 

I put up with no A/C in the MG and the Z, because it's more work that it's worth for the amount I drive them.   
I just want the AC to work because the car came with AC from the factory.  I don't care if the compressor doesn't match or if it runs R134a.

R12 is ungodly expensive.  I'd rather look at replacing the whole thing than trying to fix it.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on November 17, 2013, 04:22:29 PM
I saw some really nice OEM alloy wheels on an XJ at the junkyard.  Too bad they won't fit my Ford.

http://www.carid.com/1998-jaguar-xj-type-factory-wheels/cci-factory-alloy-wheel-10999313.html

Another Jag wheel:

http://www.allfactorywheels.com/products/1998%252d1999-Jaguar-XJ8-16%22-59725.html


Looks like I'm going to have to shop for some nice looking 15-inch Crown Vic wheels instead.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/8091CVwheel_zps5c1d383c.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/kayaktn/media/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/8091CVwheel_zps5c1d383c.jpg.html)

These are available from 1980-1991 CVs.  I think this would look sharp.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on November 20, 2013, 10:36:14 PM
Okay, these people want an arm and a leg for those damn wheels.  $125 each?  Forget that.

The kid with the Karmann-Ghia gave me the phone number for a friend of his that does upholstery.  He said he could make me new seat covers for half the price the big mail-order guys want (Dennis Carpenter, Dearborn Classics).  Also, those guys don't carry anything that matches my car.  They sell weird reproduction stuff that doesn't match or stuff from other models with different material.  I'm pretty sure the upholstery from an early F-100 will fit my car... I'm going to make a trip to the Pull-A-Part and cut out the seat cover to see.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on December 18, 2013, 09:13:02 PM
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/41-FsCR00FL_BO1204203200__zpseeb8ad28.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00435L9JE/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=)

I found a reprint of the factory manual.  I still can't tell why my dash lights don't work while everything else does but this is a big help.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on December 18, 2013, 09:34:44 PM
Are they on a rheostat?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on December 18, 2013, 09:35:12 PM
Are they on a rheostat?
I don't think so, but I could be wrong. 

The fuse box and the light switch are integrated.  It looks like a nightmare... I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on December 18, 2013, 09:52:41 PM
Have you pulled the dash panel to get to the lights and tested with a volt meter or test light? My VW had corrosion in ALL the sockets. I took apart the cluster and cleaned each socket, and put a new bulb in while I was there. I didn't like the green tint the cluster had so I also got rid of the green film. I should have put LED replacement bulbs while I was there but alas there is always next time.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on December 18, 2013, 09:54:43 PM
I pulled the cluster and replaced all the bulbs.  Nothing.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on December 18, 2013, 10:17:32 PM
how hard is it to pull the cluster on that car? what I would do is get a test light and run the traces on the back till I found power. They weren't complicated back then, easy to find pos and neg traces. There may be a broke trace. The bulbs usual (I know watch out HUGE general statement coming) are on their own circuit so they can be dimmed at the same time. could be as simple as a bad cluster connection. That book you just got have the dash wiring in it? If so look to see what pinout is the power to the cluster. Oh it could be a ground as well cause those clusters weren't common ground, most I have seen have ground leads to them cause they are plastic....something else to check.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on December 18, 2013, 10:21:59 PM
I've already pulled the cluster.  It wasn't any more difficult than pulling the one on the Datsun.  Drop the steering wheel and unscrew the cluster from the dash.  Yes, it has the wiring and the cable routing.

I'm off next week.  I'll have time to work on it.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on December 18, 2013, 10:26:39 PM
It looks like the replacement switches appear to have a rheostat on them.  Have you tried pulling the light switch on, and then turning it vigorously from left to right (sort of like how you clean toggle switches in the B)?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on December 23, 2013, 11:41:18 PM
Good old Wal-Mart.  They seem to be the only place left that sells 13-inch tires.  They have the Kumho Solus, which is supposed to be a nice tire.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on December 26, 2013, 05:19:55 PM
I made a little bit of progress today.  The temp and gas gauge are actually 3 volts and are supposed to be wired together (6 volts).  The temperature gauge works -- I connected a pair of AA batteries to it and it went to the top and stopped there. 

I ran down my 6 volt batteries so I'm waiting for them to charge until I can test the sending unit and the accuracy of the temp gauge.

Fuel gauge is waaay off.  3/4 on the gauge is "Full"... it won't go any higher.  That certainly explains why I had to dump eight gallons of gas when I thought the old tank was empty.



edit:  I can probably bypass the voltage regulator by using a 3-volt battery.  I don't think either of them work which could be why I'm not getting a signal from either sending unit (I have two of each).
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on December 28, 2013, 09:37:55 PM
Good old Wal-Mart.  They seem to be the only place left that sells 13-inch tires.  They have the Kumho Solus, which is supposed to be a nice tire.

That is why I bought the Corrado wheels (15") for the rabbit truck. I couldn't find 13" tires anywhere. So with Corrado wheels tires are available EVERYWHERE so no problem....hehe
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 05, 2014, 10:28:52 PM
I may have made a mistake.  I looked at the thermostat I installed during the summer and it has a 195° opening.  I bought a replacement 180° stat.  We will see.  All of my gauges appear to be working correctly.  The instrument lights are still not working.

A disc-brake conversion with coilover kit is about $1500-1800.  I'm fine with the drum brakes but I want better springs and shocks.  I found a set of lowered springs for a few hundred bucks.  I will be taking out the seats and sending them to a shop in the next town to be re-covered.  In the meantime, I'll install the spare carburetor I bought, put in a new 13-lb (stock) radiator cap, and probably replace the wagon wheel tires with some higher quality radial tires.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: CollectivismMustDie on January 05, 2014, 10:43:19 PM
Good old Wal-Mart.  They seem to be the only place left that sells 13-inch tires.  They have the Kumho Solus, which is supposed to be a nice tire.

They also carry the Douglas Xtra-trac 2 in 13 inch. I think they're a 40k tire. We use those on the Metro and have decent luck with them.

They're  41.50 each, IIRC.


CMD
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 05, 2014, 10:46:26 PM
They also carry the Douglas Xtra-trac 2 in 13 inch. I think they're a 40k tire. We use those on the Metro and have decent luck with them.

They're  41.50 each, IIRC.


CMD
Yes, I saw those as well.

Those wagon wheels on there now have an amusing amount of sidewall flex.  I'm surprised the tire can stand upright on its own.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 08, 2014, 08:39:31 PM
These AutoRestoMod (http://www.youtube.com/user/AutoRestoMod) guys have a '67 Fairlane in addition to a '65 Mustang they use  in their garage.  I emailed Jeff and he gave me a few suggestions on upgrading the suspension.

Quote
Chris,
Several things:
The '63 isn't going to be the canyon carver than the other three are. Think of it as an older Olympic athlete. It can surprise but it won't ever do as well as later model cars.

Better steering (in line with your Datsun, BMW and MG) Unisteer rack:http://www.unisteer.com/ford/63-65-fairlane-rack-pinion-for-popular-small-blocks.html You'll never get the kind of precision out of the stock system that a rack will provide.

Adjustable strut rods (use rubber NOT urethane). This will allow for greater camber than the stock settings. Not sure where you will find these. '63 is a tough year series for Fairlane.

Larger 1-inch front bar. 3/4 inch rear bar.

New front springs and rear; contact Eaton Detroit Spring and discuss what you are looking for try and stay away from reverse springs. Rebuild the upper and lower control arms.

Hydraulic shocks. Eaton carries a full line of QA1s, we put them on the '65 hardtop and like the drive much better.

Good sticky tires like the BFG KDs mounted on plus sized rims. Be careful. The Falcon and Fairlane are bad about offset. Watch our video on setting up wheels if you don't already have some.

Structurally the sedan is much better than a hardtop. you still might consider a pair of home made subfram connectors and shock tower braces both from the cowl to the towers and from one apron to the other like the Mustang Monte Carlo bar.

Hope this helps!
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on January 09, 2014, 10:10:53 PM
Looks like good advice. Most will apply to all cars like the sub frame connectors and the like. Question is are you wanting to road race or are you looking for just a bit better handling. Some of what he is talking about is for road race cars....no need to spend that kind of scratch if you just want a better ride. I personally ALWAYS go way beyond what is needed cause I like the go-cart ride and like taking hairpin corners at 75mph....lol 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 09, 2014, 10:15:12 PM
Looks like good advice. Most will apply to all cars like the sub frame connectors and the like. Question is are you wanting to road race or are you looking for just a bit better handling. Some of what he is talking about is for road race cars....no need to spend that kind of scratch if you just want a better ride. I personally ALWAYS go way beyond what is needed cause I like the go-cart ride and like taking hairpin corners at 75mph....lol 
Yes. :p

I don't plan on racing it.  I just want it to handle at least as good (or close enough) to the other cars I've owned.  It's pretty much a pig on the road and any improvement would be miles above what came out of the factory.  With the body roll this thing has, taking an exit ramp off the interstate is a little un-nerving.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on January 09, 2014, 10:20:28 PM
Good shocks and springs along with a bigger sway bar both front and back will do wonders for the ride. On the Opel when I used to daily it, I put slightly wider lower profile tires and they were RADIAL'S!!!!...lol damn bias shite sucks ....it made a huge difference.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 09, 2014, 10:22:08 PM
I checked out Eaton Springs and they said do NOT run gas shocks on the car... it makes it too bouncy.  Well, guess what the previous owner put on?  Gabriel gas shocks.  No wonder the thing bounces and floats like a dinghy driving on the street.

They sell new hydraulic shocks that were originally designed for it.

I'm still looking for replacement wheels/tires, but I'm concerned about getting the correct offset.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: CollectivismMustDie on January 10, 2014, 02:08:18 AM
Yes. :p

I don't plan on racing it.  I just want it to handle at least as good (or close enough) to the other cars I've owned.  It's pretty much a pig on the road and any improvement would be miles above what came out of the factory.  With the body roll this thing has, taking an exit ramp off the interstate is a little un-nerving.

You might look and see what the folks at energy suspension have to offer:

http://energysuspension.com/

Its been a while since I messed with that sort of stuff, but I do know urethane bushings in the right places make a huge difference. Simply replacing the stockers on my old blazer with greaseable urethane, made a noticable difference, one you could feel when making turns.

CMD







Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 10, 2014, 08:28:46 AM
Most of the items suggested have the option of either rubber or poly bushings.  I may go with poly on the swaybars. 

The first thing I'll probably replace are the shocks since it's an easy one to do.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Wineslob on January 10, 2014, 09:32:32 AM
Most of the items suggested have the option of either rubber or poly bushings.  I may go with poly on the swaybars. 

The first thing I'll probably replace are the shocks since it's an easy one to do.


Go with poly on the sway bars and the links. Made a big difference on my 72' Camero. Turned it into a slot car.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 10, 2014, 09:48:45 PM
Hm. Nobody seems to make a rear sway bar for a 1963 Ford Fairlane.  This is going to be interesting.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: CollectivismMustDie on January 11, 2014, 03:36:39 AM
Hm. Nobody seems to make a rear sway bar for a 1963 Ford Fairlane.  This is going to be interesting.

Could they be optioned from the factory on that car?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on January 11, 2014, 08:03:25 PM
Hm. Nobody seems to make a rear sway bar for a 1963 Ford Fairlane.  This is going to be interesting.

This not work? http://www.dearbornclassics.com/57-59-ranchero-rear-sway-bar-3-4.html
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 11, 2014, 08:15:28 PM
I'm not sure.  I looked at that earlier and the website says it's not a fit for my car, that it's for '59-'61 cars.  1961 1962 was a changeover from the Fairlane being a trim level on the full-sized Galaxie to a separate midsized car based on the Falcon.

I'll keep it in mind and come back to it later.  I was reading some reviews from people who had put a rear sway bar on their '68 Fairlane and said it made the handling unstable and "twitchy".
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on January 11, 2014, 08:46:41 PM
With an old ride you want a BIG front sway bar cause of the under steer problems that are inherent/engineered  in the chassis. If you have a lot of body roll a rear bar is needed but a small bar is usually used as not to induce any over steer problems.  I have ran most of my cars over the years with just a good front bar and proper springs for the vehicle...I have never installed a rear bar. Now that said the mini has a rear bar....but I didn't put it there. If I owned your vehicle I would upgrade the springs, lower the front slightly , upgraded shocks and the front bar call it a day. There are all kinds of things you can do if you want to spend the money like go with rack and pinion or go with a strut front end. It is up to you. A proper set of springs at a proper ride height (stock may not be proper for the car ....depending on what you are wanting out of the car) the ride and handling will be TOTALLY different. Up to you what you want to do for your car.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 11, 2014, 09:17:51 PM
If I owned your vehicle I would upgrade the springs, lower the front slightly , upgraded shocks and the front bar call it a day.
That is the extent of my plans at this point.  I still need to get the upholstery redone as well and have a few bits and pieces rechromed.  I can hold off on paint for a year or two, I think.

Still trying to figure out how to remove the rheostat/switch from the fuse panel it's attached to. :p
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on January 11, 2014, 09:50:37 PM
How much you lower will be GREATLY be dependent on the tire/wheel combo, it will make a HUGE difference in whether you have a proper ride or you hit the wells all the time. Now you also will have to take into account the look you want as well. Me I don't like to modern a style wheel on an old ride....makes it look cheap to me. Also the size will make a difference as well. If you cant find different speedometer gears your speedometer will be off with the wheel/tire change. All things to consider.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 11, 2014, 09:51:41 PM
I'm not concerned about ride height... I don't plan to order any "lowering" bits.  I would like to leave room for larger wheels.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/1963Fairlane5002_zps3fdeffae.jpg)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on January 11, 2014, 10:09:08 PM
put 15"s with the proper size tires to give you the correct speedometer rate and you will be shocked at the result. I was on the VW. it had 13"  with an 80 sidewall, which I couldn't find anywhere that wasn't Chinese crap. I bought 15" Corrado wheels that fit with the proper BF Goodrich and the ride is remarkably better.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 11, 2014, 10:10:35 PM
:banghead: I'm trying to find the correct offset for the stock wheel.  I've *heard* the Mustang uses the same setup, but nothing definite.

I would really like some nice summer touring tires for this thing.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 11, 2014, 10:31:07 PM
put 15"s with the proper size tires to give you the correct speedometer rate and you will be shocked at the result. I was on the VW. it had 13"  with an 80 sidewall, which I couldn't find anywhere that wasn't Chinese crap. I bought 15" Corrado wheels that fit with the proper BF Goodrich and the ride is remarkably better.
I think the speedometer is off on this car as well.  I picked up a new cable, but I need to see if the gauge is accurate since I have it out of the car at the moment.

I need to get the cluster rechromed too. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on January 11, 2014, 11:12:33 PM
Speedometer shops will calibrate it NP!....there are several here that do the old stuff. I am sure you can find one in your area. Last time i knew anyone getting it done it was cheep like $50 or something and they replaced some gears and greased the speedometer head etc.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on January 12, 2014, 11:01:43 AM
I need to have that done to the speedo in my MG. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 12, 2014, 11:36:59 AM
I need to have that done to the speedo in my MG. 
Mine too. :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on January 12, 2014, 11:39:33 AM
Mine too. :-)

What is yours doing?  My needle is bouncing around like the dickens above about 35MPH. 

I need to grease the cable, and make sure the brass bushing in the speedo isn't just dry before I send it off for some R&R.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 12, 2014, 11:41:47 AM
It's just off.  On my trip to Texas it said I was doing 95.  My GPS said I was 10 MPH slower.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on January 12, 2014, 11:46:22 AM
It's just off.  On my trip to Texas it said I was doing 95.  My GPS said I was 10 MPH slower.

I found directions online on how to calibrate it several different ways, if you're interested in giving it a shot yourself.  

http://www.szott.com/lotusinfo/Smith-jaeger_speedo_repair.pdf
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 12, 2014, 11:49:19 AM
I found directions online on how to calibrate it several different ways, if you're interested in giving it a shot yourself.  

http://www.szott.com/lotusinfo/Smith-jaeger_speedo_repair.pdf
I'll check it out.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on January 12, 2014, 12:20:15 PM
What is yours doing?  My needle is bouncing around like the dickens above about 35MPH. 

I need to grease the cable, and make sure the brass bushing in the speedo isn't just dry before I send it off for some R&R.

My VW truck did that and turned out the cable was frayed and catching.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on January 12, 2014, 01:13:26 PM
My VW truck did that and turned out the cable was frayed and catching.

Yeah, I can't remember if I did anything with the cable on this B yet, or not. 

I had another one before this, and had some speedo issues, so I'm getting the two confused.

The cables is cheap if I have to replace it.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 18, 2014, 10:01:47 PM
**** it.  I'm tired of messing with this damn temperature gauge.  I bought a new one... it was thirty five bucks.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on January 18, 2014, 10:23:50 PM
**** it.  I'm tired of messing with this damn temperature gauge.  I bought a new one... it was thirty five bucks.

How does it look? 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 18, 2014, 10:31:20 PM
How does it look? 
Looks like it's been sitting on a shelf since 1963.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: obumazombie on February 12, 2014, 02:23:39 PM
I hope it's running. You might need it for an everyday driver.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Wineslob on February 13, 2014, 02:03:33 PM
Most of the items suggested have the option of either rubber or poly bushings.  I may go with poly on the swaybars. 

The first thing I'll probably replace are the shocks since it's an easy one to do.

This, do it. I changed out the rubber ones in my Camero and it made a big difference. Then (if your's does not have it), I added a rear bar. If you can go over-size on the front bar, do that too. It turned my Camero into a slot car, handling wise.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on February 13, 2014, 04:43:40 PM
This, do it. I changed out the rubber ones in my Camero and it made a big difference. Then (if your's does not have it), I added a rear bar. If you can go over-size on the front bar, do that too. It turned my Camero into a slot car, handling wise.

Make sure you keep those poly bushings lubed if you go with those.  They will squeak and squeal like banshees if you don't-  especially when it's cold. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Wineslob on February 13, 2014, 04:52:08 PM
Make sure you keep those poly bushings lubed if you go with those.  They will squeak and squeal like banshees if you don't-  especially when it's cold. 


They were the graphite impregnated ones. They never did squeak.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on February 13, 2014, 05:08:15 PM
They were the graphite impregnated ones. They never did squeak.

It's been a few years since I bought more than just the odd poly bushing here and there. 

I wasn't aware they made such a thing.  I'll have to look into that more. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on February 13, 2014, 09:53:54 PM
Good tips.  Thanks.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on February 21, 2014, 04:28:09 PM
http://hooniverse.com/2014/02/21/career-change-80-acre-8000-car-salvage-yard-for-sale/


Anybody want to dip into their spare change and go halfsies? 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on February 21, 2014, 05:10:34 PM
http://hooniverse.com/2014/02/21/career-change-80-acre-8000-car-salvage-yard-for-sale/


Anybody want to dip into their spare change and go halfsies? 

Uh....no. I think I'll pass.  :lol:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on February 21, 2014, 05:18:41 PM
Uh....no. I think I'll pass.  :lol:

Awww, come on, Euph. 

I'll let you drive the yard truck AND play your hornomophone thing all you want.   :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on February 21, 2014, 05:23:30 PM
Awww, come on, Euph. 

I'll let you drive the yard truck AND play your hornomophone thing all you want.   :-)

I'm allergic to potatoes.  :whistling:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: obumazombie on February 21, 2014, 05:34:47 PM
I'm allergic to potatoes.  :whistling:


You say...

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ3fjQa5Hls[/youtube]


Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on February 21, 2014, 06:24:43 PM

You say...

Gershwin fan, or strictly posting for humorous effect?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 01, 2014, 05:30:48 PM
Aha, it works.  I cobbled together a water manometer (https://www.google.com/search?q=water+manometer&safe=off&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=R24SU5P6Dcas2wX2yYGwDg&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg&biw=1024&bih=679) from some rubber tubing and a spark plug adapter.  It's very sensitive and holds pressure -- it should be enough to find maximum compression/TDC on any engine.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on March 02, 2014, 07:55:52 AM
Aha, it works.  I cobbled together a water manometer (https://www.google.com/search?q=water+manometer&safe=off&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=R24SU5P6Dcas2wX2yYGwDg&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg&biw=1024&bih=679) from some rubber tubing and a spark plug adapter.  It's very sensitive and holds pressure -- it should be enough to find maximum compression/TDC on any engine.

And I believe you can use the same apparatus to work on the SU carbs on the Bee! :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 02, 2014, 09:10:34 AM
And I believe you can use the same apparatus to work on the SU carbs on the Bee! :-)
I already have a similar gadget that fits around the air opening of the SU carb.  Works like a charm.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nvGLgO6pj0[/youtube]

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on April 03, 2014, 09:49:02 PM
Since all the seats and door panels need to be replaced, I'm considering doing them in white.  That car gets blazing hot in the summer.  I'll be keeping the red carpet.  Having a hell of a time finding matching door panels for the sedan... all the ones I'm finding are for the Sport Coupe.

This is the closest photo I could find.  It's not even a Ford.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/mopp_1002_07_plymouth_barracuda_and_satellitebarracuda_white_interior_zps6f66f8bc.jpg)Mopar Muscle (http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/featuredvehicles/b_body/mopp_1002_1968_plymouth_barracuda_formula_s_notchback_and_1969_plymouth_sport_satellite/photo_03.html)

Finally got rid of that damned Honda.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on April 04, 2014, 08:43:52 PM
Properly contrasted colors always look nice in a vehicle.   

I've forgotten what color the interior of your car is now.  Is it all red?     
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on April 04, 2014, 08:45:32 PM
Pretty much.  The factory code is "light chestnut".
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: biersmythe on April 04, 2014, 09:15:09 PM
Since all the seats and door panels need to be replaced, I'm considering doing them in white.  That car gets blazing hot in the summer.  I'll be keeping the red carpet.  Having a hell of a time finding matching door panels for the sedan... all the ones I'm finding are for the Sport Coupe.

This is the closest photo I could find.  It's not even a Ford.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/mopp_1002_07_plymouth_barracuda_and_satellitebarracuda_white_interior_zps6f66f8bc.jpg)Mopar Muscle (http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/featuredvehicles/b_body/mopp_1002_1968_plymouth_barracuda_formula_s_notchback_and_1969_plymouth_sport_satellite/photo_03.html)

Finally got rid of that damned Honda.

That color scheme would look good and the seats would be cooler.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on April 04, 2014, 09:19:19 PM
That color scheme would look good and the seats would be cooler.
Those belt buckles soak up the heat.  It's like picking up a hot fire poker and belting it around your waist. :rofl:

I'll be sending the instrument cluster and bumpers off to be rechromed soon.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on April 04, 2014, 09:20:35 PM
Can you get different shades of white?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on April 04, 2014, 09:22:18 PM
Can you get different shades of white?
Probably.  I'll have to talk to my upholstery guy.  The doors and the seats will probably be done in the same material.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on April 05, 2014, 06:27:14 PM
Probably.  I'll have to talk to my upholstery guy.  The doors and the seats will probably be done in the same material.

I don't know if you're interested in it, but you might be able to get cloth inserts instead of a full-vinyl seat.  That would help keep the seats from being so hot when you sit down.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on April 11, 2014, 08:37:31 PM
I don't know if you're interested in it, but you might be able to get cloth inserts instead of a full-vinyl seat.  That would help keep the seats from being so hot when you sit down.
I remember the vinyl seats in my dad's Suburban growing up. 

Yeah, those are no fun in the summertime.  Not to mention the metal belt buckles.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on May 18, 2014, 12:02:26 AM
That swap meet was a bust.  Can you call it a swap meet when there's only shiny new parts for sale?

Got my eye on a Weiand 8124 and an Edelbrock 600 CFM with an electric choke.  Tomorrow (hopefully) is door weatherstripping and maybe a wash.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on May 18, 2014, 09:12:54 PM
That swap meet was a bust.  Can you call it a swap meet when there's only shiny new parts for sale?

Nope.  That's ridiculous.  I hope you didn't have to pay admission.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on May 18, 2014, 09:23:42 PM
I did, but it included a car show that was at least 90% GM/Chevy.   :mad:

There were two Ford Fairlanes.  One was a 1964 Thunderbolt replica.  The other was a '64 with shitty aftermarket wheels.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on May 18, 2014, 10:50:13 PM
That's one of the reasons I stopped going to car shows around here.  Same old, same old. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on May 21, 2014, 09:16:08 PM
The $14 Screwdriver (http://cgfordparts.com/ufolder/cgcat.php?searchtype=Search+%23&year_choice=63&searchtextdesc=bezel+tool&searchnumber=TOOL-10852&sp=Search+%23)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on May 22, 2014, 04:29:33 PM
Which end do you need?  The left side looks like a security bit design you can get in several different sizes at Harbor Freight.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on May 22, 2014, 04:46:53 PM
I assume it's the one with the castellated end.

If it turns out to be something like this, I'm going to be upset.  It doesn't look like it, though.  The hole where the switch knob goes isn't slotted, it's just a hole.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4lnYYq7rm8[/youtube]
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on May 25, 2014, 12:00:43 AM
Pulled the battery and put it on a charger.  This is the first time I've touched the car since winter.

I need to finish the weatherstripping I started last week and get the car running to adjust the timing.  Once that's done, it's upholstery time.  While the seats and door panels are being done, I'm going to have the AC pressure-tested.  I think the compressor is fine since it worked when I bought it.  The evaporator will need to be serviced (new desiccant).
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on May 25, 2014, 07:17:17 PM
Well, that was stupid.

The headlight switch surround had indents to unscrew it and the bezel.  Turns out I didn't need that stupid screwdriver.  Dammit.  Oh well, it's out.  Lots of corrosion and dirt on the contacts.

I made a mess but managed to get the weatherstripping replaced that was leaking. 

$20 bucks (http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/BWD0/S144/02006.oap?year=1963&make=Ford&model=Fairlane&vi=1334742&ck=Search_headlight+switch_1334742_-1&keyword=headlight+switch) for a new headlight switch.  :thatsright:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on May 27, 2014, 12:09:48 PM
Since all the seats and door panels need to be replaced, I'm considering doing them in white.  That car gets blazing hot in the summer.  I'll be keeping the red carpet.  Having a hell of a time finding matching door panels for the sedan... all the ones I'm finding are for the Sport Coupe.

This is the closest photo I could find.  It's not even a Ford.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/mopp_1002_07_plymouth_barracuda_and_satellitebarracuda_white_interior_zps6f66f8bc.jpg)Mopar Muscle (http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/featuredvehicles/b_body/mopp_1002_1968_plymouth_barracuda_formula_s_notchback_and_1969_plymouth_sport_satellite/photo_03.html)

Finally got rid of that damned Honda.

Shaker hood.  No headrests.  Pushbutton AM radio.    My guess about the same year as my Barracuda.  1968.  A year later they had headrests.   Also, look above the dimmer switch and you will see the foot pump for the windshield washer.   Now whether it is a convertible, fastback or notch back I have no clue.  I am guessing a 318 V8 or maybe a 340.   Just saw the url .  Yup, 68 notchback.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on June 01, 2014, 09:38:05 PM
Almost got the dash put back together.  Two problems... one is a broken instrument cluster light socket, and the other is the 19mm spark plug anti-fouler I stuck in cylinder #1.  The exhaust manifold on this car is a PITA to fit sockets in.  It's underneath the generator and tough to reach.

The new light switch works.  I haven't been able to test the dash lights because they're not grounded with the cluster out of the car and I don't want to have to take it apart again.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 20, 2014, 08:16:37 PM
Got all the supplies I need to flush the engine and radiator, but I have to get that stuck non-fouler out of cylinder #4 (the one in the most difficult spot under the generator and next to the wheel well).  You can't fit a socket over it because half the spark plug is flush against the exhaust manifold.

I bought another 18mm non-fouler, coated the threads with JB Weld, and screwed it in the one that's already in there.  If it works, I'll let you know.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on November 02, 2014, 05:46:58 PM
I picked up a 15-inch wheel from a 1994 Grand Marquis.  It isn't the style I want, but it's a match for the wheels I want on the car.  It looks enormous next to the 13-inch wheels and tires on the car now.  I'll have to measure it to see if it will even fit.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/94marquis_zps59cd09d5.jpg)

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: cavegal on November 04, 2014, 11:45:17 AM
I picked up a 15-inch wheel from a 1994 Grand Marquis.  It isn't the style I want, but it's a match for the wheels I want on the car.  It looks enormous next to the 13-inch wheels and tires on the car now.  I'll have to measure it to see if it will even fit.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/94marquis_zps59cd09d5.jpg)
You have this Ford and a MGB?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on November 04, 2014, 11:52:31 AM
Yep.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on November 29, 2014, 06:41:22 PM
Awesome.  The JB Weld got that stuck spark plug insert out.

I pulled all the plugs and squirted some oil down the cylinders.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on November 30, 2014, 07:24:20 PM
No luck getting the seats unbolted.  I can work on that tomorrow if the weather's not bad.  I really need to get this thing to an upholsterer.

I was going to flush the engine/radiator today.  I drained the coolant, but whoever sells the hose kit apparently expects you to just let the wastewater spray all over your car, yourself, and the driveway.  I would have gone to the hardware store to pick up a drain hose but my brother's dumbass girlfriend decided to block the driveway the entire time she was here.

I found some gray goop inside the thermostat housing.  I hope it isn't oil.  The oil on the dipstick looks fine and the coolant from the radiator looked fresh.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on December 09, 2014, 02:18:53 PM
http://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/4777418521.html

Red carpet, purple floor mats, gray and white interior, and stupid wheels. :thatsright:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on December 09, 2014, 06:20:15 PM
http://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/4777418521.html

Red carpet, purple floor mats, gray and white interior, and stupid wheels. :thatsright:

Well, we've all seen worse.  Everything there is easily reversible.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on December 09, 2014, 10:51:03 PM
Well, we've all seen worse.  Everything there is easily reversible.
Yeah, but it costs money to fix someone else's mistakes. :(
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on December 10, 2014, 12:19:54 AM
Yeah, that's true.

I could probably live with the wheels longer than the mismatched carpet.  Seats I don't mind mismatching, but the carpet.... ugh.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on December 28, 2014, 04:23:06 PM
Spendin' money.

Just picked up a Pertronix kit.  Looking forward to getting it installed (after I flush the engine and radiator and reinstall all the gauges).


edit: that was quick.  Ground shipping from Summit Racing only took two days.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 01, 2015, 04:26:47 PM
Well, crap.  The Crown Vic/Marquis wheels fit with the exception of the larger hub bore (1/4 of an inch).

It looks like adapters (hub rings) are available.  I just need to find them in the right size
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 02, 2015, 01:00:34 PM
I managed to goof up.  The wheels I want are 16 inches.  The one I picked up from the junkyard was from a previous model.  Now all my measurements are wrong.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 03, 2015, 05:14:21 PM
I finally found the set of wheels I wanted.  They were affordable, especially when you consider what some places are selling "new" ones for.  I bought a full set -- I figure if I can't use them, they'll be easy to resell or I can take them back.  People are asking ridiculous prices for OEM wheels... $150 for one.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1998-2002_Mercury_Grand_Marquis_--_09-27-2010_1_zpsc8a4705c.jpg)

Finding FORD inserts for them should be easy.  Bonus... I didn't get rained on.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on January 04, 2015, 07:24:47 PM
People are asking ridiculous prices for OEM wheels... $150 for one.
:wtf2:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 04, 2015, 09:04:08 PM
:wtf2:
The Intronet (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=2000+Mercury+Grand+Marquis+wheel&safe=off&tbm=shop)

eBay isn't much better.

If you're pulling wheels at one of those self-serve junkyards that raise the cars off the ground, bring your own lug nuts, a four-way tire iron, and two ratchets with the correct sized deep-well socket.  For some reason, the people at Pull-A-Part always leave at least one on each wheel, probably so they can roll it around.  It's a little like origami, but I was able to leverage the single lug nut off with those three wrenches.

I used the second wrench to jam it into an opening in the wheel against the brake caliper to stop it from spinning and the tire iron for leverage since I forgot to bring a breaker bar, but it was foolproof.  I've never taken four wheels off a car that quickly.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: obumazombie on January 05, 2015, 12:37:30 PM
I just noticed there were 666 replies to this thread. I fixed that. You're welcome !
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 10, 2015, 04:46:47 PM
Got the front seat pulled out today.  I'm not completely sure how to remove the rear seat.  Other than being covered in the factory undercoating, the nuts under the car holding the seat frame in place look brand new. 

Who puts blue seat belts in a red car?

I will probably wait until the last minute to have the seats done.  I want them done in white but don't want them to get dirty sitting around.  The next to go is the nasty carpet.  After that, primer, paint, and Dynamat, with the new carpet going in at a later date. 

This car stinks.  I don't even want to know what that stuff is on the floor. :puke:

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/PICT0006_zpse5002d0b.jpg)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on January 11, 2015, 02:44:44 PM
This car stinks.  I don't even want to know what that stuff is on the floor. :puke:

It's probably a vagrant slept in the car, or maybe just used it as a toilet, and moved on.  :-)

[youtube]http://youtu.be/GvT_VOJaXvs[/youtube]
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 11, 2015, 03:55:36 PM
It only took three attempts to find a car cover that fits.  The first one was too large and kept blowing off.  The second one was too small and tore around the corners.  This one fits just right.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on January 11, 2015, 03:58:49 PM
It only took three attempts to find a car cover that fits.  The first one was too large and kept blowing off.  The second one was too small and tore around the corners.  This one fits just right.

I haven't bought a car cover in a long time, but I always hated shopping for them.  They fit about as well as a hospital gown, and always fail at the most inopportune moment.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 11, 2015, 04:04:31 PM
I'm only using it because the rubber around the windows is rotten and leaks.

You're right, they do fit as well as a hospital gown.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on January 11, 2015, 04:06:09 PM
I'm only using it because the rubber around the windows is rotten and leaks.

You're right, they do fit as well as a hospital gown.

What kind of material is it?  The last one I bought was like a cloth weave, but it seemed to work well at keeping water out.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 11, 2015, 04:42:42 PM
Cotton on the inside and some sort of treated fabric on the outside that feels like plastic.

O'Reilly (http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/BI05/SD4.oap?year=1963&make=Ford&model=Fairlane&vi=1334742&ck=Search_sd4_1334742_-1&keyword=sd4)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 17, 2015, 09:52:54 PM
I got both seats out.  It would have been nice if I could have removed the door panels as well since they all need to go to the same place.  One of the rear doors is stuck shut (locked).  I figure I can unlock it if I can get to the locking mechanism, but I can't get the door panel off.  Removing the window regulator handle requires a special tool S9538-A to remove the circlip ring.

This is S9538-A.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/S9538A_zpsba4cce79.jpg)

This is the 'universal' removal tool they sell everywhere else.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/A159_zps00c10870.jpg)

I have body trim tools that could probably work better than that. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 24, 2015, 07:01:05 PM
I managed to get three of the four window handles removed.  I guess the clip just needed some motivation to get pushed out of place. 

I flushed the engine and radiator today.  There was no rust or crud coming out of the engine.  Once the coolant was flushed, the water came out clean.  I'll have to get the dash rewired to find out if I still have an overheating problem.  I replaced the thermostat housing gasket and there are no leaks in the system at all.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on January 26, 2015, 02:43:31 PM
I managed to get three of the four window handles removed.  I guess the clip just needed some motivation to get pushed out of place. 

I flushed the engine and radiator today.  There was no rust or crud coming out of the engine.  Once the coolant was flushed, the water came out clean.  I'll have to get the dash rewired to find out if I still have an overheating problem.  I replaced the thermostat housing gasket and there are no leaks in the system at all.

What kinda shape is the water pump in? While replacing a WP on a V-8 isn't nearly the headache it is on a transverse-mount engine, it's a bitch when it decides to go belly up on you.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 26, 2015, 02:44:23 PM
What kinda shape is the water pump in? While replacing a WP on a V-8 isn't nearly the headache it is on a transverse-mount engine, it's a bitch when it decides to go belly up on you.
I don't know yet.  It isn't leaking, but I think I will probably have to pull it off at some point.  Might as well do it now.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on January 27, 2015, 10:24:25 AM
I don't know yet.  It isn't leaking, but I think I will probably have to pull it off at some point.  Might as well do it now.

...and then there are those 'special tools' necessary to access some fan bolts so you don't have to pull the radiator to pull the water pump. :whistling:

Seems like KD must make a few of those.   Designers and engineers should really be forced to service the first car off a production line.   :rant:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 27, 2015, 10:41:33 AM
...and then there are those 'special tools' necessary to access some fan bolts so you don't have to pull the radiator to pull the water pump. :whistling:

Seems like KD must make a few of those.   Designers and engineers should really be forced to service the first car off a production line.   :rant:
I heard Honda used to do that in the 80s. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: JohnnyReb on January 27, 2015, 11:55:04 AM
...and then there are those 'special tools' necessary to access some fan bolts so you don't have to pull the radiator to pull the water pump. :whistling:

Seems like KD must make a few of those.   Designers and engineers should really be forced to service the first car off a production line.   :rant:
I've said that for....hell....all my life. Actually I add in "take it apart and put it back together".

You think automobiles are bad, you should work on heavy equipment.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 28, 2015, 09:26:30 PM
It looks like someone has already screwed with the water pump.  There is goop around the edges that looked like someone was too cheap to either buy a new one or put on a gasket.

Might as well pull it and take a look.  I already have a full set of FelPro engine gaskets.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on February 04, 2015, 03:22:44 PM
It looks like someone has already screwed with the water pump.  There is goop around the edges that looked like someone was too cheap to either buy a new one or put on a gasket.

Might as well pull it and take a look.  I already have a full set of FelPro engine gaskets.

Ugh. That's gonna mean some scraping, most likely.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on February 07, 2015, 05:35:35 PM
Progress.  I finally got that pesky window handle off and removed three door panels.  Now I just have to get the right rear door unlocked.  The lock is stuck shut.

I found a second broken light socket on the instrument panel.  I'll have to order another socket to put the dash back together.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on February 08, 2015, 04:59:31 PM
I don't trust the temperature sender or the gauge in the cluster, so I ordered a Thermocap (http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/mr.-gasket-thermocap-radiator-cap-2471s/6900022-P). 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 15, 2015, 05:47:51 PM
Fudge.

The rear passenger door lock is stuck.  In Ford's infinite wisdom, there is no key lock on the rear doors, only the front .  I had a locksmith come out here and he told me I needed to call a mechanic instead.  I've been PB Blasting the inside of the door around the handle and lock pull knob.

The lock pull knob came off.  There is an 1/8th-inch threaded bolt it attaches to.  I could probably screw on a couple of nuts and try to pull it open.  If I can get the door open, I can remove the door panel.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 15, 2015, 05:49:54 PM
It's nice outside.  We don't have nuclear radiation for sunlight like they do in Nevada... 70° degrees feels like 70°, not 110°.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: RobJohnson on March 16, 2015, 03:08:29 AM
Fudge.

The rear passenger door lock is stuck.  In Ford's infinite wisdom, there is no key lock on the rear doors, only the front .  I had a locksmith come out here and he told me I needed to call a mechanic instead.  I've been PB Blasting the inside of the door around the handle and lock pull knob.

The lock pull knob came off.  There is an 1/8th-inch threaded bolt it attaches to.  I could probably screw on a couple of nuts and try to pull it open.  If I can get the door open, I can remove the door panel.

I can't think of any vehicles that have key locks on the rear doors.

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: RobJohnson on March 16, 2015, 03:09:43 AM
It's nice outside.  We don't have nuclear radiation for sunlight like they do in Nevada... 70° degrees feels like 70°, not 110°.

Today was a beautiful 81 degrees when I had to report to work at 2 PM...not sure what it will be like when I return at 6:30 AM Monday. I hope I can sleep and quit watching these stupid car shows on TV.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 17, 2015, 02:39:55 PM
Today was a beautiful 81 degrees when I had to report to work at 2 PM...not sure what it will be like when I return at 6:30 AM Monday. I hope I can sleep and quit watching these stupid car shows on TV.
They are addictive.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: RobJohnson on March 18, 2015, 06:07:05 AM
They are addictive.

I didn't even know I had that stupid channel and now I can't stop watching it. This is what happens when you have guests.  :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

I need to look up a friend of mine here in town. I have helped him do some marketing for his business which was mostly window tinting for home and autos. (not sure you need that in Nevada, the sun it not really that bright)

Anyways.......he has been fabricating custom roll cages for vehicles, dune buggies and other stuff...I might volunteer to paint a few items to get back in the grove.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 19, 2015, 10:17:45 PM
I'm watching Jesse James' ridiculous show.  I wonder if Sandra Bullock has to pay him alimony.

I pulled the batteries out of both cars after Christmas.  They weren't charging fully, so I popped the covers off and found a couple of low cells on each one.  I topped them off with distilled water and let them sit for a few minutes... just like new.

I ordered the only set of white door handles that are available for the car.  To make sure everything matches, I'm using them to order the new door panels and upholstery material.  The headliner may or may not match.  I still need to get the rear door unlocked.  I picked up a threaded sleeve from the hardware store... I hope I can screw that onto the lock rod and force the lock open.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 21, 2015, 04:26:40 PM
Got it!

I found an enormous, rusty metal file under the carpet.  Probably the most interesting thing I've found so far.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 21, 2015, 08:29:49 PM
Seats, door panels, and carpet have all been removed and the interior has been vacuumed.  Time to spend some money.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 21, 2015, 09:04:27 PM
I forgot these were in the car.  There are registration papers from 1968, 1973, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, and 1981.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/img001sm_zpsi4uvyjpz.jpg)

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 22, 2015, 08:48:24 PM
How does an auto parts store run out of lug nuts?  I got one new wheel on but only had four lug nuts available.  Also, finding a tire shop with the correct size tire was a pain.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/new_wheels_sm_zpss3ltnie8.jpg)

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: RobJohnson on April 05, 2015, 05:42:26 PM
I forgot these were in the car.  There are registration papers from 1968, 1973, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, and 1981.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/img001sm_zpsi4uvyjpz.jpg)



Very cool
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: RobJohnson on April 05, 2015, 05:44:04 PM
How does an auto parts store run out of lug nuts?  I got one new wheel on but only had four lug nuts available.  Also, finding a tire shop with the correct size tire was a pain.

(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/kayaktn/1963%20Ford%20Fairlane/new_wheels_sm_zpss3ltnie8.jpg)



The wrap on the truck behind the car looks really cool.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on April 05, 2015, 09:29:29 PM
The wrap on the truck behind the car looks really cool.
It should... it cost enough.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: RobJohnson on May 17, 2015, 02:47:24 AM
It should... it cost enough.

We have a guy in town that does all the wraps for the Corvette track, he gives pretty good deals to the locals that need wraps. One friend with a food truck received an extremely good deal and it turned out nice.

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on September 15, 2015, 10:27:44 PM
Since the MG is parked in Illinois and I haven't heard from them, I'm doing a little work on the Ford.  Mostly cosmetic (wash, buff, polish, and wax), but the carb and timing need to be reset.  Hopefully the brakes still work.  I have a couple of broken wires in the dash to resolder and some bulbs to replace.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 02, 2015, 08:47:17 PM
Just doing some window shopping for next year... rebuild the original gutless turd 260 Windsor and keep the 50-year-old FMX 3-speed or swap in a 5.0/4-speed AOD from an Explorer or Mustang with a mild street cam?  Oh, and the car probably needs a new radiator.  I'm not sure what rear end the car has, but it definitely won't do a burnout. :)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on October 09, 2015, 03:09:49 PM
Breathless headline from Hot Rod Magazine: "Get 400 HP from your small-block Ford!"

Solution: spend $2000 on cylinder heads. :whatever:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on November 06, 2015, 04:58:12 PM
I really don't want to spend any money on the current engine, but a grand for a bolt-on EFI kit?  Sign me up.

Holley Sniper EFI (http://bangshift.com/general-news/new-products/wow-holly-unveils-new-sniper-efi-bolt-on-tbi-retails-for-less-than-1000/)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: franksolich on November 06, 2015, 05:15:58 PM
With winter looming on the horizon, you're going to slow down a bit, right?
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on November 07, 2015, 04:17:48 AM
With winter looming on the horizon, you're going to slow down a bit, right?
I wasn't planning to, but you never know.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 07, 2016, 10:13:07 PM
Quizzes, quandaries, and questions.

I have a shopping list of resto-mod parts for the car.  Adjustable shocks, modern suspension parts, swaybars, crossmembers... anything to turn a 50-year-old hulk into a driver's car and serious highway cruiser.  My problem is that the original 260 motor and 3-speed FMX automatic are garbage.  Do I keep the stock 260 and rebuild it with a modern 4-speed AOD tranny or replace it entirely with a late-model or 302 crate motor?  I kind of sort of want to keep the original 260, but it is such a gutless turd (150 hp).  Highway driving is fine... it made the trip from Alabama to Tennessee with no engine problems other than a clogged fuel system.

The following is some advice from some Ford fans in Aiken, SC.

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1. Better steering (in line with your Datsun, BMW and MG) Unisteer rack: http://www.unisteer.com/ford/63-65-fairlane-rack-pinion-for-popular-small-blocks.html You'll never get the kind of precision out of the stock system that a rack will provide.

2. Adjustable strut rods (use rubber NOT urethane). This will allow for greater camber than the stock settings. I did find a company selling adjustable strut rods for the '63 Fairlane.  http://www.streetortrack.com/Street-or-Track-Adjustable-Strut-Rods-pr-16135.html

3. Larger 1-inch front bar. 3/4 inch rear bar.

4. New front springs and rear; contact Eaton Detroit Spring and discuss what you are looking for try and stay away from reverse springs. Rebuild the upper and lower control arms.

5. Hydraulic shocks. Eaton carries a full line of QA1s, we put hem on the '65 hardtop and like the drive much better.

6. Good sticky tires like the BFG KDs mounted on plus sized rims. Be careful. The Falcon and Fairlane are bad about offset. Watch our video on setting up wheels if you don't already have some.

7. Structurally the sedan is much better than a hardtop. You still might consider a pair of home made subframe connectors and shock tower braces both from the cowl to the towers, and from one apron to the other like the Mustang Monte Carlo bar.

Jeff has been an invaluable resource when it comes to Mustang/Fairlane/Falcon/Comet stuff.  What I'm thinking of is sandbagging parts now and installing them over the new year, followed by a replacement motor/transmission at a later date. 

I really do not like the old 3-speed auto transmissions.  I think a 4-speed AOD upgrade would be a huge improvement in addition to swapping the factory 8-inch 3.00 for a lower 3.77.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 07, 2016, 10:19:43 PM
I'm still trying to track down the white arm rests I saw a couple years ago so I can match the new seats and door panels to them.  As soon as I get the correct color, I can have the old red seats rebuilt.  I plan on keeping the red carpet but the doors and seats will be white.  It's easier on the ass during summer.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 07, 2016, 10:29:47 PM
Oh yeah... forgot about the clogged radiator.  It may be clogged, it may not be, but the car overheats like an SOB and if you run it with the cap off, it turns into Old Faithful after it heats up.

Think I need a new radiator.  The fuel system was pretty rotten... I don't think the cooling system is any better. 
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on January 08, 2016, 04:37:05 PM
Oh yeah... forgot about the clogged radiator.  It may be clogged, it may not be, but the car overheats like an SOB and if you run it with the cap off, it turns into Old Faithful after it heats up.

Think I need a new radiator.  The fuel system was pretty rotten... I don't think the cooling system is any better.

You can try to flush the radiator out, if it's the old copper style, with muriatic acid.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 08, 2016, 04:45:22 PM
I tried that with the gas tank with no luck.  I think I'd rather pay someone else to do that for me, but it's still half the cost of a new radiator.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on January 08, 2016, 04:51:54 PM
I tried that with the gas tank with no luck.  I think I'd rather pay someone else to do that for me, but it's still half the cost of a new radiator.

The radiator might be different, since the buildup isn't rust, but mineral deposits from the water used as coolant. 

In any event, I'd save your old radiator and have it reworked rather than buying a new one.   
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 12, 2016, 12:03:56 PM
Window shopping the new Holley EFI Terminator conversion.  Two grand.  It doesn't sound like a bad deal until you read the fine print.  Your $2K only gets you the EFI throttle body and wiring.  The fuel system components are not included and are another $700 or more and I'd need a new intake manifold.

The upgrade is pretty significant and I can swap it to a newer 302 or another Ford small-block in the future.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iry0QhiuulM[/youtube]
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on January 12, 2016, 10:04:36 PM
I thought someone sold white arm rests for Fords.  I must have dreamed it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-RvzK3UNtU[/youtube]

I'm going to buy some new arm rests and have these guys re-cover them in white so I can make sure the interior is done the same color.  I was going to use them for the 280ZX dash before I had to sell that car (and the other one burned to the ground).  I'll be sending my MG dash to them to repair later.

They also do plastic chroming.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on February 21, 2016, 12:15:21 AM
I wasn't aware you could set distributor timing using a vacuum gauge.  This is an entirely new thing to me.  I can replace the mechanical points with the Pertronix I purchased, tune the carburetor, and replace the questionable radiator with some reassurance now.  The car runs, but it runs terribly.  I'm looking forward to getting this car done.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0uEMeDVxaA&list=WL&index=28[/youtube]

Stage 1 is a new exhaust, a 4-barrel intake, EFI, and an AOD transmission. :II:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on February 21, 2016, 06:23:56 PM
The radiator might be different, since the buildup isn't rust, but mineral deposits from the water used as coolant. 

In any event, I'd save your old radiator and have it reworked rather than buying a new one.
Rock Auto sells an ADPI radiator for the same price as a local recorer and a third less than retail (Auto Zone).  They're based in Texas but they are only listed as an importer and supplier so I don't have a way to tell where it was actually made.  I tried to find a quick replacement at the junkyard today but didn't find anything comparable to what is already in the car.

I was going to pull the radiator this weekend but ran out of time.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on February 27, 2016, 09:11:22 PM
New radiator installed.

I had to go to two different stores to find a new upper hose and clamps.  That and the Tree-B-Gon people held me up for a few hours.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: RobJohnson on March 04, 2016, 02:28:15 AM
New radiator installed.

I had to go to two different stores to find a new upper hose and clamps.  That and the Tree-B-Gon people held me up for a few hours.

Please tell me you flushed the cooling system before installing the new radiator.

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 04, 2016, 08:21:29 AM
Please tell me you flushed the cooling system before installing the new radiator.
Yes.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: RobJohnson on March 04, 2016, 11:12:49 AM
Perfect
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 04, 2016, 11:36:26 PM
I should have mentioned this, but there's a thin film of grey goo coating the inside of the old radiator that wasn't visible with it inside the car.  The coolant looked fine when I drained it last year.  :(
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 05, 2016, 09:14:56 PM
Did a full service (fluids and plugs) and the car won't start.  It starts and runs on starter fluid but doesn't seem to be getting any gas.  I can push the plunger on the accelerator pump to put gas in the carburetor but it doesn't seem to be getting any from the mechanical fuel pump.

Mechanical fuel pumps for old Fords are cheap, but I think I'm going to see about replacing it with an electric pump (http://autoweek.com/article/diy/required-beater-trunk-equipment-early-honda-civic-fuel-pump).  I went ahead and ordered a fuel pump block-off plate for the motor.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 06, 2016, 05:55:21 PM
Another clogged fuel filter.  The fuel pump seems to be working fine.

So now I'm back to where I was the last time I worked on the car.  It sort of runs but only for a few minutes and then dies.  It won't start unless you push the accelerator pedal.  I'm pretty sure my timing is off.  I know for sure my idle and fuel mixture are off because I messed with them earlier in a last-ditch attempt to keep the car running long enough to get home.

And the distributor wrench I bought is the wrong size.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 10, 2016, 08:44:15 PM
I took a page from zeitgeist's book.  Instead of flushing the fuel tank, I just bought extra filters. :whistling:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on March 16, 2016, 07:49:16 AM
I took a page from zeitgeist's book.  Instead of flushing the fuel tank, I just bought extra filters. :whistling:

I don't remember if I told ya, I put a new tank in last year.  They found a rusty old gas can filler in it.  Had them put a new sending unit in at the same time but it still needs to be dialed in a bit.   In any event it was a good move.  There is still crap showing in the filter but no where like what there was before.   I did not redo the steel fuel line.   

I might note a guy told me to loosen the fuel bowl gasket and let it drain if I was not going to run it for long periods of time.  I can only get 10% around here.  That stuff sucks for older cars it gums up the fuel jet if it sets.     

I currently have it on Hemming's   http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/plymouth/barracuda/1816004.html

Not a lot of money out there but a lot of people looking, kind of like kids looking in the window of a bakery and drooling over the eclairs. :whistling:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 16, 2016, 09:36:32 AM
I finally got a distributor wrench on the Ford and messed with the distributor.  Still no luck.  I'm going to bypass the fuel tank and use a jerry can to see if I'm having additional fuel problems.  I wouldn't be surprised if the sending unit is gummed up.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 19, 2016, 04:46:27 PM
Progress.  The car starts without starter fluid and runs for more than 60 seconds before sputtering to a halt.

I had to disconnect the vacuum advance to hook up a pressure gauge.  I'd like to get some more work done, but I don't want to poison the neighborhood. :rotf:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 19, 2016, 11:14:04 PM
Pretty sure the carburetor is clogged.  I have a spare carb and two rebuild kits.  This is getting ridiculous.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: zeitgeist on March 20, 2016, 09:18:17 PM
Pretty sure the carburetor is clogged.  I have a spare carb and two rebuild kits.  This is getting ridiculous.

Might be worth soaking it in a cleaner bucket.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3aUVh3e62I[/youtube]

Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 20, 2016, 10:36:58 PM
The only thing available at Vato Zone was a gallon-bucket of ChemDip and all that did was leave a thin film of goo all over it.  All of the small parts come with the rebuild kit.  What it really needs is a good scrubbing.  I would have done that today, but it was 40 and windy.  Not the best day for working outside.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: RobJohnson on March 23, 2016, 05:43:50 AM
My mother's old school car that I restored with DuPont lifetime clear coat (the factory paint was lacquer back then) has a fuel sending unit in the tank that can not be found.

If you are ever at a U Pull A Part and see a Chevy Malibu Wagon, snag me one. I need the fuel tank sending unit to make her gas gauge accurate.

On a related note, a large U Pull a Part, that started as Auto Acres in Milan, IL, a huge well known salvage yard has closed. My mom's brother was one of the guys that ran the place for about 40 years and was also the used car manager there. I used to go to work with my Uncle on Saturdays, they had a party line and I would sit there and listen in on the phone. I would also wait on customers, I was like 7 years old then!  My dad worked there when he was young, changing out motors for mechanical customers, he could do two a day. My father was one hell of a mechanic. When he retired he was maintaining  a fleet of several hundred semi tractors.  Damn do I miss him.

Cheap aftermarket parts have put a lot of salvage yards out of business. Did I mention my grandparents also owned one? Today's EPA regulations would of never permitted them to be in business today. I remember when people would call for used alternators and starters. They had a darn good business for many years and it helped supplement my Grandfather's WWII VA  (Navy) benefits, as he had arthritis so bad he had huge knots on his hands and elbows preventing him from doing so much.

I can still "smell" that VA hospital/clinic in Iowa City.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 26, 2016, 03:31:10 PM
Lemon juice and boiling water.  It cleaned up that old carburetor like magic. :II:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 28, 2016, 01:06:04 AM
Err kay :whatever:

Bought a used carb from a '77 Ford F150 some time last year.  Both rebuild kits I have are for the current '63 Fairlane.  The gaskets don't match.  I'ma have to go back to the parts store.

Duh huh.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: SighLass on March 28, 2016, 08:20:42 AM
Quote
1963 Fairlane

Just now found this thread, brings back memories of Grandma's 63 Ford Falcon (one of the rarer 8 cylinder ones hardtop w/ black with red interior)....

Grandmother didn't learn to drive until after her second divorce (grandpa twice) in her 50's. She stopped driving when she wrecked it a few years later on a bridge, where they found she had cancer. She died a year and half later. She bought the car and scooted around pretty sports-like I am told. My brother inherited it years and years (late 80s) later and drove it to college. Gave it later to my uncle who wanted it.

Anyway, gonna enjoy thumbing thru this thread.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on March 28, 2016, 10:05:25 AM
Thank you.  I'm not much of a mechanic, but a bad day in the garage is better than a good day in the office.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Eupher on March 28, 2016, 12:17:44 PM
Thank you.  I'm not much of a mechanic, but a bad day in the garage is better than a good day in the office.

BS. That is, the "I'm not much of a mechanic" statement. Anybody who can rebuild a carburetor is a pretty good wrencher, IMHO. Hell, you've got an entire generation of doods who wouldn't know a carburetor if it burped gas all over them.  :-)
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: SighLass on March 28, 2016, 12:40:54 PM
BS. That is, the "I'm not much of a mechanic" statement. Anybody who can rebuild a carburetor is a pretty good wrencher, IMHO. Hell, you've got an entire generation of doods who wouldn't know a carburetor if it burped gas all over them. 

Agree, I am one of those folks. But... and a big butt (pun intended).... I did manage perchance to find one of the most informative forums perchance. Grandpa left me a lot of old Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth/Desota parts when he died. I was tasked with trying to clean out his sheds after he died. He ran an old dealership back way be when. I didn't want to throw the parts away so I had to list them on Ebay to sell.

Seems to list on ebay you have to identify the parts first. Well I was able to do that with about half the parts that still had part numbers on them, but the rest were an enigma to me. I found an old bunch of guys on a P15-D24.com (WW2 era Plymouth cars) forum that talked shop, and they were some of the nicest folks I had ever met before. I found myself absorbed in their shop talk. Stuff like what to use to clean a gas tank to who was honest on Ebay. These fellow worked on a problem until they solved it.

I just went back over there and looked it over, there is probable a dozen threads just on how to clean and repair gas tanks. Just lurking was enriching.

I don't know if the newer car forums are close to as nice (and honest) as the old car people are. I sold for a few years on Ebay and only had a few problems (mostly of my own doing, like shipping wrong part to wrong person). I once sold a part to a fellow and he said he never got it. I sent him his money back, a few days later I found an envelope in my mailbox, the part arrived but his kids put it in wrong place. He drove 5 hours to my house to say he was sorry. That is good folk.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on April 05, 2016, 01:10:22 AM
Finally got all the crust, crap, and shite washed off the car over the weekend.  $2500 and three trees later, I hope this year is a little cleaner than the past few.  Maybe I'm optimistic but I bought some Meguiar's M83 compound/polish.  That other stuff doesn't seem to make a difference.

Cleaned out the original carb, seat, and jets, but I managed to FUBAR one of them so I ordered a replacement pair and the correct tool for removing/installing them.  The carb was filled with gas/ethanol varnish and organic matter, and the jets were clogged shut.  Whatever is coming through the fuel pump looks clean so I hope I don't need to drain the tank and clean it again.

TBC.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on April 23, 2016, 09:51:44 PM
After soaking the venturi booster in Seaform for three days, I think it's finally clear.  Progress.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on April 26, 2016, 07:45:22 PM
It's alive! :panic:

I've got the distributor retarded as far as it will turn.  The vacuum advance port is bumping up against the fuel line.  Not sure what's up with that but I can finally hook up some gauges to the engine and get it tuned.  I let the car run for 15 minutes and periodically poked the accelerator pump to bring up the RPMs.  There's a slight hesitation somewhere but nothing that kills the engine.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: thundley4 on April 26, 2016, 08:35:48 PM
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Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on April 26, 2016, 08:46:43 PM
That's about how I felt.  I rebuilt that damn carburetor twice, used a whole can of starting fluid, and soaked it for over a week.  It's not overheating, which is a huge improvement, but I'm concerned about the weird distributor timing/position.
:shrug:
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on May 22, 2016, 12:47:45 AM
I have a bunch of shit I really don't want to do on the Toyota, so I'm planning on soldering new light sockets for the dashboard and maybe washing the car.  I might have time to clay and condition the car with some Meguiar's #7.

The next step would be a buff and polish.  I might have time to tape off and shine some trim.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 03, 2016, 12:16:42 AM
****ing dumbass.

I pulled the distributor without marking it.  Shit.  At least the oil pump shaft stayed in place.  I just need to find TDC to put everything back in place.

I'm tempted to steal the "Lipstick Red" (http://automotivemileposts.com/tbird/paint1977tbird.html) from my brother's new Thunderbird Town Landau.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: BattleHymn on July 03, 2016, 10:52:35 AM
****ing dumbass.

I pulled the distributor without marking it.  Shit.  At least the oil pump shaft stayed in place.  I just need to find TDC to put everything back in place.

I'm tempted to steal the "Lipstick Red" (http://automotivemileposts.com/tbird/paint1977tbird.html) from my brother's new Thunderbird Town Landau.


There is a 77 Thunderbird that was right in front of my on my way to work yesterday.  It was a really clean ride.  The lines on it actually worked pretty well, for being a late 70s luxobarge.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 03, 2016, 12:09:36 PM
He bought it for $1,500.  It's got a 351M high-compression Cleveland big block with 50,000 miles on it.  The only rust is around the opera windows on the pillar.  The roof looks brand new.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 10, 2016, 10:10:43 PM
Got the distributor reinstalled.  Pretty sure I got TDC set and marked correctly.  The oil distributor shaft stayed in place so I didn't have to worry about that.

As long as it runs, I can put in a seat and move it under its own power after my brother moves his damn Thunderbird out of the way.  I don't really want to drive through the neighbor's yard if I don't have to.  I think I'll take the space under the carport so I can work in the shade.
Title: Re: 1963 Ford Fairlane
Post by: Chris_ on July 17, 2016, 08:26:39 PM
Installed backwards. :whatever:

Unplugged the coil, pulled the distributor, retimed the motor using a ten buck TDC gauge.  Maybe it'll run after I put it back together for the fourth (fifth?) time.