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In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« on: January 21, 2012, 11:25:52 PM »
I moved to Ohio in 2006. I was a union organizer in another state, the collective bargaining drive failed, and I had a BIG target on my back.

Y'all prob'ly neither understand nor care. That's all right. It doesn't matter.

In 2008, I got a notice from the Ohio Department of Taxation. Hell, you gotta love the name. At least it's honest. It's what they do, after all. The notice said that I had neither filed nor paid my Ohio state income tax for the 2005 fiscal year. Well, of course I hadn't. It wasn't like I actually had lived or worked in the State of Ohio in 2005; I lived elsewhere.

A simple misunderstanding, I thought. So I called the Dept. of Taxation and explained that I had filed no tax return for that year because I wasn't, well, here then. The nice lady on the phone asked for proof and gave me an address to which to send such proof. I sent my other state's tax returns, my IRS returns, and my paystubs showing that I was getting paid by an employer about 1500 miles away. Figured that would do it.

Silly me.

The Ohio Department of Taxation was not satisfied. They intercepted my tax refunds for the 2008, 2009, and 2010 tax years on the grounds that I owed them principle, penalties, and interest for not paying them, even though they had absolutely no evidence that I lived in Ohio during the year in question. The reason why they had no evidence was simple: I wasn't freakin' in Ohio! Then, a few months ago, the same Department, represented by the Attorney General's office, said they were going to do all sorts of nasty things to my paycheck and checking account if I didn't pay up yesterday.

I didn't know what the hell to do. So, having nothing to lose and no money to retain an attorney(yes, I'm one of those poor working stiffs who many reading this despise, but to hell with you and have a nice day), I emailed my governor, John Kasich, with all of the information I had originally sent the Ohio Department of Taxation. On a Friday afternoon. On Tuesday morning, I got a phone call from a lady at the Department of Taxation who said she was in receipt of my email, forwarded from the Governor's office, with a two-word note: "Fix it."

She went on to say that all enforcement actions had been halted, and that the state tax refunds to which I was entitled(yeah, a lot of you hate that word. Tough.) for the last four years would be refunded as soon as possible.

Thanks to that refund, I now have a computer, Internet access, and can post on this website. So, if you people hate me, blame John Kasich.

I love irony.

Anyway, I believe in giving credit where credit is due. Governor John Kasich, I believe, did the right thing. He deserves credit for that, from me, because he helped me, and I freely give it. He's also done some other, progressive, things, like putting privatizing the Ohio Turnpike on hold(because the private sector doesn't know how to maintain a highway no matter how much money you throw at it), releasing non-violent criminals from state prisons(costs big bucks to lock people up), and dropping the whole stripping public sector employees of collective bargaining rights thing after Issue 2 went down in flames when presented to Ohio voters. He's not going to try to bring it back.

I must conclude, no matter how much I would be bashed for saying so at a website like Democratic Underground(not Left Underground or even Fire Dog Lake, different animals and not Democratic Party cheerleading sites), that Governor John Kasich(R-OH) has acted reasonably and justly on occasion. 

I might even vote for the SOB.

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Re: In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2012, 11:55:52 PM »
A socialist complaining about taxes, gotta love it.

I may not lock my doors while sitting at a red light and a black man is near, but I sure as hell grab on tight to my wallet when any democrats are close by.

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Re: In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2012, 12:37:05 AM »
A socialist complaining about taxes, gotta love it.



Nobody likes to pay taxes; not even socialists. Maybe some wealthy latte' liberals do, but I've never met any.

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Re: In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2012, 04:33:43 AM »
Nobody likes to pay taxes; not even socialists. Maybe some wealthy latte' liberals do, but I've never met any.

Did you not hear about some/most of Obama's cabinet and appointee's?
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Re: In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2012, 05:06:27 AM »
...

I didn't know what the hell to do. So, having nothing to lose and no money to retain an attorney(yes, I'm one of those poor working stiffs who many reading this despise, but to hell with you and have a nice day), I emailed my governor, John Kasich, with all of the information I had originally sent the Ohio Department of Taxation. On a Friday afternoon. On Tuesday morning, I got a phone call from a lady at the Department of Taxation who said she was in receipt of my email, forwarded from the Governor's office, with a two-word note: "Fix it."

She went on to say that all enforcement actions had been halted, and that the state tax refunds to which I was entitled(yeah, a lot of you hate that word. Tough.) for the last four years would be refunded as soon as possible.

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That is one of the things your elected representatives are there for. Reigning in the people incompetent bureaucrat pigs that they're supposed to be at least nominally in charge of.

I don't think you'll find many people here that would find fault with feeling entitled to a refund of money that was yours in the first place.

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Re: In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2012, 07:49:52 AM »
Nobody likes to pay taxes; not even socialists. Maybe some wealthy latte' liberals do, but I've never met any.

If you don't like paying taxes why do you support a system that requires high levels of taxation? Do you think that high taxes would only apply to the evil rich?

LU is full of people who told me they love paying taxes, so either you are mistaken, or they were lying to me.

I may not lock my doors while sitting at a red light and a black man is near, but I sure as hell grab on tight to my wallet when any democrats are close by.

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Re: In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2012, 07:52:31 AM »
That is one of the things your elected representatives are there for. Reigning in the people incompetent bureaucrat pigs that they're supposed to be at least nominally in charge of.

I don't think you'll find many people here that would find fault with feeling entitled to a refund of money that was yours in the first place.

If he didn't feel that the wealth of other people didn't belong to them, then I wouldn't find fault with him for this, however he's a socialist and believes that the wealth of everyone else should be taken.

I may not lock my doors while sitting at a red light and a black man is near, but I sure as hell grab on tight to my wallet when any democrats are close by.

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Re: In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2012, 08:07:35 AM »
Nobody likes to pay taxes; not even socialists.
are you sure you're a socialist?

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Re: In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2012, 08:15:22 AM »
Just remember..."a government big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take all you have".
Not my words but very true and unless you can magically divine a way for Marxist theory to happen sans an all powerful government authority you just saw the reality of what you wish for.

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Re: In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2012, 08:18:15 AM »
Just remember..."a government big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take all you have".
Not my words but very true and unless you can magically divine a way for Marxist theory to happen sans an all powerful government authority you just saw the reality of what you wish for.

Just like the OWies they bitch and moan about a tyrannical government that won't allow them to live like pigs in public spaces, yet want that same tyrannical government to take away wealth from other people and control every aspect of their lives. Makes no sense to me at all.
I may not lock my doors while sitting at a red light and a black man is near, but I sure as hell grab on tight to my wallet when any democrats are close by.

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Re: In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2012, 08:24:13 AM »
So, let me synopsize your story:
A bureaucracy, in the course of doing their business, placed the burden of proof on you, a citizen, to prove a negative, i.e. that you did not live in OH. They took action against you because the evidence you presented was not to the bureaucracy's satisfaction. You appealed to their boss, who told the bureaucracy to pound sand.

This is how you were treated over taxes. Imagine you were being denied healthcare by the same soulless, unreasonable bureaucracy, or being kicked out of your house.

You have been a victim of bureaucratic malfeasance and yet want to give the bureaucrats more control over everyone's daily life.

Idiot

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Re: In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2012, 08:29:30 AM »
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Re: In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2012, 09:17:37 AM »
I survived Ohio having lived there from 2004 till 2007. Never had a problem with the state tax people, though I felt (and still feel) that I pay entirely too much for little return. But I digress....

Are you sure the Department of Taxation in Ohio isn't simply pissed because you're a professed socialist?

Think about it.

Even Kasich can stand a joke only so long before he calls 'em off.

Bureaucrats are people too, yunno.  :rotf:
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Re: In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2012, 09:54:33 AM »
Amazing how you rail against the very system you want MORE of in your life.

You think they're ****ed up when you're dealing with a simple thing like money?  Just wait until it's your LIFE they hold in your hands.

And yes, you're entitled to a refund if a government entity has withheld too much of YOUR money for redistribution.  We don't hate the word entitlement per se, it's the negative connotations and examples of abuse of said entitlement spending we see on a daily basis.

But amazing, isn't it, how those vaunted liberal paradises are the ones where the biggest attitude of, "What's mine is mine and what's yours is mine" exist.  I too went through a similar issue.  When my uncle passed, we nephews and nieces split the bulk of his estate.  Not a huge sum, mind you, but not bad.  Anyway, since it was distributed under a 1099, we paid federal and CA state taxes on it.  Problem is, I'm not a CA resident any longer.  I had to file a CA state return for the year in question to get that money back.  But the DMV (yes, the DMV) would not allow release of the funds because "you haven't paid your registration for three years" despite my having not lived there for that long--funny how that works.

Took those assholes FOUR MONTHS and a LOT of phone calls for them to cut my check after I showed them 1--I registered the vehicle here in NH immediately after I left CA, 2--I didn't even own the damned car anymore.  This is the state that is now giving IOU's in lieu of tax refunds.  Awesome, ain't it?
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Re: In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2012, 09:56:39 AM »
I'm not in favor of toll roads but I think you're wrong about those who run them.  The toll roads I've driven on have all been maintained far above what the state highways are.  I just traveled the Will Rogers Turnpike in Oklahoma twice in the last month and it was in excellent shape.

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Re: In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2012, 10:20:48 AM »
Ohio Barb really does not understand Conservatism nor Socialism very well at all.  Shocking, ignorance really is bliss. 
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Re: In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2012, 12:07:57 PM »
I'm not in favor of toll roads but I think you're wrong about those who run them.  The toll roads I've driven on have all been maintained far above what the state highways are.  I just traveled the Will Rogers Turnpike in Oklahoma twice in the last month and it was in excellent shape.

KC

SHHH! Don't confuse him with facts!

Bottom line to our Socialist newbie: This is an example of the profit motive. When a private company is providing any product or service to the public and receiving direct compensation for it, the Company finds it in its own best interest to provide the best possible product while maintaining a profit to disburse as dividends to stockholders or invest into expansion of the business, especially if there is a competing product or service. Meaning that privatized toll roads would have to be maintained much better than a public road, or offer a faster, shorter route between destinations, in order to get people to pay for the privilege of driving on it.


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Re: In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2012, 03:21:22 PM »
SHHH! Don't confuse him with facts!

Bottom line to our Socialist newbie: This is an example of the profit motive. When a private company is providing any product or service to the public and receiving direct compensation for it, the Company finds it in its own best interest to provide the best possible product while maintaining a profit to disburse as dividends to stockholders or invest into expansion of the business, especially if there is a competing product or service. Meaning that privatized toll roads would have to be maintained much better than a public road, or offer a faster, shorter route between destinations, in order to get people to pay for the privilege of driving on it.



Absolutely.  The rest of the roads I drove in OK were absolutely HORRIBLE.  The turnpike on the other hand was smooth and clean.

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Re: In Praise of Governor Kasich, from a Socialist
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2012, 05:03:07 PM »
This was better OB, but it was not a discussion. There some unanswered questions people politely asked you in the other thread.

Its a nice bit of writing, but it doesn't really say that much.