They want war. It is all they will ever agitate for.
Even if you give them what they claim they want -- a thing they could have done themselves but never did -- they will still find cause to hate you.
calimary (39,875 posts)
Let's keep something in mind about ("Saint") nikki haley.
I just see a "canonization" in her future on the GOP side, everybody sucking air and declaring her the - um - sorry, but - "Great White Hope" - the Second Coming, Vice Presidential material for sure, maybe a future Presidential contender, and blah-blah-blah. AHHHHH nikki haley!!!! Heart Heart Heart, Fawn Fawn Fawn.
Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit.
Anybody ever heard of "5-Day Deodorant Pads"?
She IS one.
Took her FIVE DAYS to come around to this. She was perhaps gently dragged kicking and screaming to this. This wasn't her idea. There was NO leadership shown here. She was "leading from behind," to steal a meme from the bad guys. She was BEING LED. Against her own personal feelings on this.
Remember that Wednesday night, and that first hastily-called press conference of local officials immediately after the news broke about the massacre at Mother Emanuel Church? Anybody remember that? Think back. There she was, called in like all the other officials and police and other local and state authorities who could be expected to hold a news conference after such a devastating event. She stood there front-n-center, stifling tears, voice shaking, intoning about how horrible it was and how South Carolina was shocked and saddened, and all that other expected stuff. Fine enough. BUT THEN, somebody in that press gaggle asked about taking the flag down, maybe. Her response? LET'S NEVER FORGET THIS. She immediately went back to the default position -
"Oh no, we can't really go there, that's a separate issue..."
"Well, no, that flag is part of our HERITAGE and it still means a lot to so many of our fellow citizens..."
"Well, this is not the time... "
THAT was where she was. Because that is ALWAYS where she was.
REPEAT - That was ALWAYS where she was. That was her first response. Because that was the real one. THAT was the TRUE response and reflected her TRUE, Honest-to-God instinctive feelings about the Dixie Swastika. THAT was the one you could take to the bank.
South Carolina state legislator Vincent Shaheen, who's a Dem, was on MSNBC talking about how a year earlier, he'd brought up taking the hate rag down and she stood adamantly against it. THAT WAS ALWAYS where she was. She's only come around NOW.
Took her FIVE DAYS from that Wednesday night to the following Monday to step up and get onboard with taking the flag down.
It was NOT her first inclination.
It was NOT her original take on the issue.
It was NOT part of her agenda.
It was NOT something she ran on to win the governorship.
It was NOT something she advocated or fought for or blogged about or wrote editorials about, or even brought up on her own.
It was NOT something she ever stuck her own neck out about.
It was NOT showing leadership or taking the bull by the horns or encouraging or gently forcing change and modernity and the 21st Century to her constituents.
It was NOT what she'd ever publicly stood for. Or that she stood for in private or behind the scenes, as far as I know. UNTIL a situation like this arose - wherein she kinda had to. This was no voluntary conversion or naturally-occuring change-of-heart. She didn't have a "Come to Jesus" moment about it several years ago or evolve in her thinking through the years or anything else. Her hand was forced here.
Let's not burn incense to her as some sort of "New South Paragon of Virtue and GREAT and WISE and FORWARD-THINKING Leadership. And let's make sure to beat back all the breathless arguments that she is some sort of New republi-CON Saviorette.
She's nothing of the kind.
She only came around because she had to. It was unavoidable. And she clearly understands how that might have made her look to the greater population of the US, outside her own state borders if she'd dragged her heels on this. That tells me she's thinking about higher office someday and trying to lay some of the personality groundwork now. If she didn't care about that, she wouldn't care about this. She's a republi-CON. NEVER forget that. NEVER FORGET that their motives are ALWAYS suspect.
She's a "5-Day Deodorant Pad." Just like jeb bush. He's a "5-Day Deodorant Pad" too. Took HIM five days, from Monday to Friday inclusive, to grope his way toward mouthing the "correct" answer to the question - "would you have gone into Iraq like your brother did, knowing what you know now?" Remember that? His first answer was the honest one. The true one. THAT'S the one you could actually take to the bank. Just like nikki haley's words and actions tell you what HER real feelings were and are. She watched how the wind blew and THEN decided what stand to take. Just as he did, when he saw the response to his first-response gut reaction was.
The FIRST answer is always the tell. THAT'S one you could actually take to the bank. That's the one that springs forth from their lips instinctively, before they have a chance to watch the windmills and adjust their statements and their speechifying to appeal to the reaction. They react to the reaction. AND THAT'S NO LEADERSHIP!!!! NONE, AT ALL!!!!!
jen63 (615 posts)
3. Kicking and screaming.
Like some one else mentioned, she could have declared a state of emergency the day after the terror attack and taken that rag down!! She didn't. She's no hero and she's not brave! Some of the comments in her favor after different articles I've read are vomit inducing, by so-called dems.
You idiots embarrass yourselves.
calimary (39,875 posts)
5. Oh gosh, and there she is. Stepped to the podium, in her carefully-chosen light beige suit.
Against a backdrop of dark and black business suits. Well, if there was any confusion as to where to look, in that scene, this should put it to rest.
What color suit did the Democratic governor wear to remove the flag?
Oh, wait. That's right.
gratuitous (51,204 posts)
8. I will decline to lionize Gov. Haley
But once she had exhausted all other options, was run to ground and trapped like a weasel in the corner, she finally, grudgingly, did the right thing so long as the legislature laid down their supine bodies for her to walk across. Which they did. Finally. Grudgingly.
I'm more interested in the end result, and feeling really good that once again, when we fight, we win. Gov. Haley's political fellow travelers are already running the goal posts as far downfield as they can, pooh-poohing the idea that this will end racism forever (nobody said it would); it's a slap in the face to all racist loser bitter-enders across the South (I'd much rather kick 'em in the nuts); and this is all just political correctness run amok (no, it's human beings acting with kindness toward one another for a change, which is probably what threw you).
We fought. We won. But the bitter-enders are absolutely right about one thing: We're not done, and we'll be back again next week to **** with something you assholes revere. Have a nice weekend!
awoke_in_2003 (28,134 posts)
11. What if lionizing her...
involved the use of real lions
calimary (39,875 posts)
9. Actually that was a nice touch, the whole pen thing, at the end.
I'll give her that. (dammit.)
It also tells me something else about her. She's shrewd. OR she has shrewd people around her and the good sense to listen to them.
John McWhorter of Columbia University is on now (MSNBC), talking about how this really kinda is progress. Like that. Maybe this is. But it is dreadfully shameful that it takes a massacre of nine saintly people, and the Actual Living Saints in their families who forgave through choking tears is what it takes to effect some real movement. I kinda really believe this about the families of the Mother Emanual Nine. I was thunderstruck by their open expressions of the most sincere forgiveness, as I watched it live that day. They were trying to follow the Teachings of Jesus through the GREATEST tribulation imaginable, each a kind of modern-day Job in that way. No greater love. And they were abundantly successful. Forgiving THAT. I'm not gonna go all religion-y here, but I think we've all had a Visitation of some sort. Maybe it's the Grace that President Obama spoke and sang about at the memorial. Those people are real live Saints. They're going to go to Heaven when they die. On an Express Elevator).
It's too damn shameful on us all that it takes THAT to get HERE. Shame on us all that we somehow can't push it over to the other approach - like these genuine saints showed us a few Fridays ago. Or maybe we as a collective political body, complete with an active lizard brain, are just that by nature? It's sad that things are so desperate and divided and devolved in this country that we're forced to take a forward movement any way we can get it.
And I blame all of us. Everybody. Me too. The mentality and stubbornness and closed-mindedness and bigotry and sexism that we see on display too often, and we who just haven't yet found a way to stop it, change it, reverse it, and obliterate it. Send it back to the Dark Ages where it belongs. We all bear responsibility. Cuz we ARE all in this together.
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jtuck004 (11,845 posts)
17. "The FIRST answer is always the tell." < Criminal Minds... n/t.
MisterP (17,005 posts)
18. she "evolved"
Oh snap
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026957569Remind me why we should give these hate mongers anything except the middle finger.
There is no love lot between me and the Confederate flag but this entire episode demonstrates exactly how the Proglodytes crassly glom on to any tragedy to twist and contort it to gain leverage over some issue that is, at best, tangentially related.
Then, once they have gained that leverage they have their little social media riots and keep rioting until they get what they want.
Even then they will never be appeased, only emboldened.
They hate Haley because she is one of 8 Republican governors who have done what 39 Democratic governors in SC never did.
IF IT'S SO ****ING IMPORTANT WHERE WERE YOUR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS TAKING DOWN THE FLAG?
Oh, wait. That's right...
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO PUT THE FLAG UP IN THE FIRST ****ING PLACE.
This is all nothing but crass politics. Haley cannot be give credit because that would allow a Republican to be sympathetic. Add to the fact Haley is a WOMAN and NON-WHITE and suddenly everything starts to crowd out their racist, sexist narratives.
And one last thing...
DON'T THINK FOR A SECOND THAT WE'RE DELUDED INTO THINKING THIS IS ABOUT PATRIOTISM
You shitstains will be burning and defecating on the American flag at your next Occupy meeting. You'll be telling the soldiers they're deluded, murderous automatons. You'll bitch about the 4th of July, Veteran's Day and Memorial Day. When we're attacked, as on 9/11 you'll run your mouths about chickens coming home to roost. You'll make excuses for Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Ward Churchill and company.
**** off loser, do-nothing traitors.
