subway cat likes Jello

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4434628

Oh my.

omega minimo (1000+ posts)        Mon Nov-10-08 09:58 PM
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Who doesn't love Jello?

http://www.sundancechannel.com/politics/390374947

Posted October 31, 2008 05:00PM

Jello Biafra, is a musician who first gained attention as the lead singer and songwriter for San Francisco punk rock band Dead Kennedys. After his time with the band concluded, he became more directly involved with political activism and took over....blahblahblahblah

 

I thought this was about the food Jello, but apparently it's about something else.

Anyway, much to my surprise, it's a hot bonfire on Skins's island; not only a big one, but an acrimonious one.  The operating one's there, and "name removed" is there in droves.

I have no idea.

undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)         Mon Nov-10-08 10:38 PM
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41. I loves me the jello and Reccomend!!

And I loves Abbie Hoffman, and all the radicals the establishment wants us to fear..Because they THINK and they are anti-authoritartian.

I be an anarchist too but I do not think most people are ethically/ emotionally mature enough for it yet.

Maybe someday we will be free..really,

Lawrence Kohlberg created his Theory of Moral Development in the 1950s based on extensive research of boys between 10 and 16, in an effort to determine where morality (e.g., ethics) came from. The following is a cursory summary of his observations.

Kohlberg theorized that there are six stages of moral development, with Stage One being the lowest, most basic level of moral development, and Stage Six being the highest. He also developed the idea of cognitive dissonance, whereby people operating at different levels of moral development would find communication nearly impossible.

In other words, these people were operating from completely different paradigms -- speaking different moral languages, and would not be able to bridge that gap without considerable effort.

What does this have to do with anarchism? I think it has a great deal to do with it.

When you look at the stages of moral development, what becomes apparent is that the lower stages are more authoritarian, whereas the highest stage is the most libertarian. While much attention has been paid to Kohlberg's theories, I think that inner biases of researchers have led them to overlook that, for some operating at the highest stage of moral development (Stage Six), government can only be viewed as an evil -- an affront to their moral reasoning. The history of the 20th century backs this view.

The subway cat's going to get morally developed sometime after January 20, 2009; Shelly Obama's said people are "going to have to work" in the new administration.

The subway cat should be looking at the orange vests in the women's clothing department, when the subway cat compiles her Christmas-wish-list.

edited to clean up format.....a day later; how'd I miss that?

[whiffleball]

Is there a food substance she doesn't like? 

What a truly pathetic creature she seems to be.  Yet another I should feel charitable pity for, but it's hard to work up sympathy for this leech.

[JohnnyReb]

"anti-authoritartian"- I guess that's a desire for "No Rules"....lawlessness.... suits me. Then we, who are (or were) law abiding that have the guns, can shoot those criminals that shouldn't have them.

[franksolich]

"anti-authoritartian"- I guess that's a desire for "No Rules"....lawlessness.... suits me. Then we, who are (or were) law abiding that have the guns, can shoot those criminals that shouldn't have them.

You know, sir, I wish the subway cat would understand something.

If there were no rules, taxpayers wouldn't have to pay taxes, if they didn't want to, for the maintenance of the subway cat.

[JohnnyReb]

You know, sir, I wish the subway cat would understand something.

If there were no rules, taxpayers wouldn't have to pay taxes, if they didn't want to, for the maintenance of the subway cat.

You ask to much of those that have so little to work with.

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

[And I loves Abbie Hoffman,/quote]Gross! He's been dead for almost 20 years!

[GOBUCKS]

This is crazy. Most DUmmies are totally dependent on resources expropriated by the state from the productive members of society.

Their survival hinges on confiscatory government policies.

At the DUmp, anarchism is a synonym for starvation.

[BEG]

This is crazy. Most DUmmies are totally dependent on resources expropriated by the state from the productive members of society.

Their survival hinges on confiscatory government policies.

At the DUmp, anarchism is a synonym for starvation.

Their whole existence is an oxymoron. 

[Vagabond]

You know, sir, I wish the subway cat would understand something.

If there were no rules, taxpayers wouldn't have to pay taxes, if they didn't want to, for the maintenance of the subway cat.

I don't know, I agree with Professor Bernardo de La Paz from "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress".  Why shouldn't taxes be voluntary?  Why should people be forced to provide a service that is either unwanted, unneeded, or immoral?  Let the government fund itself through fees willingly paid for use, national lotteries, and passing the hat around.  Hell, let the legislature pay for their antisocial hobby out of their own pockets. 

If we ever write (heaven forbid it!) a new constitution, I propose a bicameral legislature.  The first legislature would pass laws, and any law would require two-thirds consent to pass.  The second legislature would repeal laws and require one-third consent to pass.  This may sound odd, but if a law can not gain the assent of two-thirds, then why should it pass?   If it can not maintain the support of one-third, should it remain law?

[Crazy Horse]

I thought we had found freedumbs sock puppet

[MrsSmith]

http://faculty.plts.edu/gpence/html/kohlberg.htm


The Moral Dilemma:

In Europe, a woman was near death from a special kind of cancer. There was one drug that the doctors thought might save her. It was a form of radium that a druggist in the same town had recently discovered. The drug was expensive to make, but the druggist was charging ten times what the drug cost him to make. He paid $200 for the radium and charged $2,000 for a small dose of the drug. The sick woman's husband, Heinz, went to everyone he knew to borrow the money, but he could only get together about $ 1,000 which is half of what it cost. He told the druggist that his wife was dying and asked him to sell it cheaper or let him pay later. But the druggist said: "No, I discovered the drug and I'm going to make money from it." So Heinz got desperate and broke into the man's store to steal the drug-for his wife. Should the husband have done that?

Stage 1. Obedience and Punishment Orientation. Kohlberg's stage 1 is similar to Piaget's first stage of moral thought. The child assumes that powerful authorities hand down a fixed set of rules which he or she must unquestioningly obey. To the Heinz dilemma, the child typically says that Heinz was wrong to steal the drug because "It's against the law," or "It's bad to steal," as if this were all there were to it.

Now, this sound like most of the liberals and the Democratic party:

Stage 2. Individualism and Exchange. At this stage children recognize that there is not just one right view that is handed down by the authorities. Different individuals have different viewpoints. "Heinz," they might point out, "might think it's right to take the drug, the druggist would not." Since everything is relative, each person is free to pursue his or her individual interests.

Stage 3. Good Interpersonal Relationships. At this stage children--who are by now usually entering their teens--see morality as more than simple deals. They believe that people should live up to the expectations of the family and community and behave in "good" ways. Good behavior means having good motives and interpersonal feelings such as love, empathy, trust, and concern for others.

Stage 4. Maintaining the Social Order. Stage 3 reasoning works best in two-person relationships with family members or close friends, where one can make a real effort to get to know the other's feelings and needs and try to help. At stage 4, in contrast, the respondent becomes more broadly concerned with society as a whole. Now the emphasis is on obeying laws, respecting authority, and performing one's duties so that the social order is maintained.

Stage 5. Social Contract and Individual Rights.  Stage 5 respondents basically believe that a good society is best conceived as a social contract into which people freely enter to work toward the benefit of all They recognize that different social groups within a society will have different values, but they believe that all rational people would agree on two points. First they would all want certain basic rights, such as liberty and life, to be protected Second, they would want some democratic procedures for changing unfair law and for improving society.

Stage 6: Universal Principles. According to these people, the principles of justice require us to treat the claims of all parties in an impartial manner, respecting the basic dignity, of all people as individuals. The principles of justice are therefore universal; they apply to all. Thus, for example, we would not vote for a law that aids some people but hurts others. The principles of justice guide us toward decisions based on an equal respect for all.

In actual practice, Kohlberg says, we can reach just decisions by looking at a situation through one another's eyes. In the Heinz dilemma, this would mean that all parties--the druggist, Heinz, and his wife--take the roles of the others. To do this in an impartial manner, people can assume a "veil of ignorance" (Rawls, 1971), acting as if they do not know which role they will eventually occupy. If the druggist did this, even he would recognize that life must take priority over property; for he wouldn't want to risk finding himself in the wife's shoes with property valued over life. Thus, they would all agree that the wife must be saved--this would be the fair solution. Such a solution, we must note, requires not only impartiality, but the principle that everyone is given full and equal respect.

After due consideration of the principles of conservatives in general, Christians in particular, and Republicans as a whole, I would say we're at Level 5 or Level 6.  The Dims aren't even past the adolescent stage.   

[Duke Nukum]

You know, sir, I wish the subway cat would understand something.

If there were no rules, taxpayers wouldn't have to pay taxes, if they didn't want to, for the maintenance of the subway cat.

Pretty much it is becoming that way now.  Don't want to pay your mortgage or your credit card balance, hey don't worry about it, Henry Paulson will pay it for you!  Why not have the Treasury pay our taxes for us too?

[InfamousAndy]

I would steal the drug, save the girl, but turn myself in to face the consequences.  I'd expect to be punished with fines, imprisonment, etc.  Where would 'accepting consequences' be in this inane scale?

[BlueStateSaint]

I would steal the drug, save the girl, but turn myself in to face the consequences.  I'd expect to be punished with fines, imprisonment, etc.  Where would 'accepting consequences' be in this inane scale?

Nowhere, according to the mindset of the DUmp.

[MrsSmith]

It would be nice if most people were at stage 6...it would have to be pretty tough to kill another person, even before birth, if everyone respected the basic dignity of all others.   However, I, personally, would be thrilled if we could get the majority of the country grown up past early adolescence. (Everything is relative.  There is no solid truth, what's true for you isn't true for me.  All religions are the same.)