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The DUmmies fall for a bouncy
« on: July 22, 2021, 08:21:59 AM »
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215644899

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'I'm sorry, but it's too late' Alabama doctor on treating unvaccinated, dying COVID patients
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Dr. Brytney Cobia said Monday that all but one of her COVID patients in Alabama did not receive the vaccine. The vaccinated patient, she said, just needed a little oxygen and is expected to fully recover. Some of the others are dying.

“I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections,” wrote Cobia, a hospitalist at Grandview Medical Center in Birmingham, in an emotional Facebook post Sunday. “One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late.”

Enormous thread.  I brought it over because on Twitchy, intelligent people ain't buyin it. 

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/07/21/doctor-writes-in-emotional-facebook-post-about-dying-covid-patients-begging-her-for-the-vaccine/

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"...and then everybody starts clapping."

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And sometimes late at night, when it’s perfectly quiet and still you can hear their cries for the vaccine.

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I thought we learned our lesson about putting Covid patients on ventilators. If you’re a doctor and you’re still doing this then you have a huge malpractice suit waiting on you in the future. We have treatments for Covid already but we’re not allowed to talk about them.

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Ah yes, another loquacious patient on the verge of intubation tearfully affirming all of the writer's most deeply-held political opinions.

Please leave 2020 fanfic in 2020.

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This didnt happen so hard that things that did happen are now unhappening

And much more at link. 

As for the DUmmies, they continue to believe that the Wuhan flu is an instant and certain death sentence.  They are hoping that all unvaccinated republicans die off before the midterms.  They ignore the significant portions of the black and brown people who are resisting.  They ignore the vast numbers of republicans who have been vaccinated.  Anything that doesn't fit in their box is utterly ignored.

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98. why should they care about the FDA?

Doesn't the F stand for Federal?
 

 :lmao:  Dolt. 

Only ONE DUmmie questioned it:

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92. This story sounds strange and does not add up to me....

An average of 10 people a day in all of Alabama are dying of Covid. Young and healthy people rarely ended up dying even during the peak of the pandemic.

How are so many young and healthy patients begging her for the vaccine before dying? Certainly out of the 10 in the entire state most are elderly or already unhealthy.

Something does not add up here. How can one doctor be holding hands with so many dying young people?

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Re: The DUmmies fall for a bouncy
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2021, 09:23:25 AM »
As for the DUmmies, they continue to believe that the Wuhan flu is an instant and certain death sentence.  They are hoping that all unvaccinated republicans die off before the midterms.  They ignore the significant portions of the black and brown people who are resisting.  They ignore the vast numbers of republicans who have been vaccinated... [/color]

On The Plantation or not, for most melanin enhanced individuals, I'm sure the calculation is as simple as, "Tuskeegee Experiment on me once, shame on you. Pull that shit on me twice, shame on me"...
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Re: The DUmmies fall for a bouncy
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2021, 09:40:59 AM »
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This didnt happen so hard that things that did happen are now unhappening

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That is hilarious!  I read that article before the DUmp picked it up and I knew someone was going to post that.  I wondered about that whole story myself.  I would love for some ambitious reporter to reach out to some of the many families who lost a loved one who this woman helped.

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Re: The DUmmies fall for a bouncy
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2021, 09:42:59 AM »
Higher C19 cases are happening in big cities, not suburban and rural areas. Someone here listed some stats that showed the EU having half the land mass of the USA but over 100 million more people. Naturally they’re having more issues because a large amount of their population lives on top of each other. So density of population is where the danger that exists can be found.

But all these “unvaccinated people” in B’ham at deaths door? That’s a little too close to what Cap’n Dementia and Heels-up Harris would like everyone to believe. Agree that it’s a bouncy.

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Re: The DUmmies fall for a bouncy
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2021, 09:43:08 AM »
There are so many red and yell BS-warning flags in that :bouncy: -tale, and it took 92 replies for a DU-member to question its plausibility. So, just a few:

* What the :spork: is a "hospitalist"? I've been around more medical people in my life than I wish I had to be, but have never heard that term. I do not think it is American English usage. Is it Brit? From a non-English-speaking fake-news troll?

* Even ardent anti-vaxxers know that vaccines are preventatives, not treatments. "One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine," is total pig @#$%!

* This is almost a carbon-copy of a debunked :bouncy: from a travelling nurse in Minnesota that was circulating in the MSM and DU a few months ago. Aaaaaaaand DUpipo fell for the same lie again, because they want it to be true.

* As LPC Noob Jon King pointed out, the stats don't add up. Right now AL is having ~800 new cases a day. On the order of 4% of people who test positive need hospitalization. Rounding up that %, 40 people a day will soon need hospitalization. But since it takes a week or two for infected people to be hospitalized, people currently being hospitalized tested positive at a time when daily new cases were around 450 new cases a day, ~23 people a day being hospitalized. That's just statistical context that shows the implausibility of the :bouncy: -tale. As Jon King pointed out, AL daily deaths are in the 10-15 range ... in all of Alabama!. Birmingham is just one, large, city in Alabama, and Grandview Medical Center is just one of Birmingham's hospitals. Brytney Cobia is telling low quality agendized fiction.

BTW, did any DUmmie think to check Birmingham, AL's demographics, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham,_Alabama#Demographics ? I would not wish Covid on anyone, but Birmingham's demographics are inconsistent with DUpipo's hate-fantasy image of unvaccinated people, :rotf: .
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Re: The DUmmies fall for a bouncy
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2021, 09:56:12 AM »
Hands down, this is my mostest favoratest reply...

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Re: The DUmmies fall for a bouncy
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2021, 10:10:00 AM »
Interesting;


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https://www.foxnews.com/us/alabama-doctor-coronavirus-vaccine-too-late

The hospital where Cobia works, Grandview Medical Center, did not immediately return a request for comment.

Data shows that deaths in Alabama caused by the coronavirus have significantly dropped since January, and the current coronavirus 7-day average deaths sitting at six. The state has 133 hospitals for its nearly five million residents. Alabama has a total of 11,443 deaths from COVID since the pandemic began in March 2020.


That was posted online 18 hours ago.  So, was AL being hit really, really hard before the last 7 days?  Uhm, no.  The 'Dr.' is stringing out a political tale to get kids to mask up at school and scare people into taking the shot.


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Re: The DUmmies fall for a bouncy
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2021, 10:34:02 AM »
I, like the rest of those who read the rantings of the DUmpasses, often wonder how they cannot see the obvious.
Their almost continual ranting about covid is just as bad, if not worse, than the people pimping the vaccine fear porn.
They are doing everything they can to convince every single person they come into contact with, that catching covid WILL KILL US ALL, YOU DAMNED UN-VACCINATED MURDERERS!

Yea sure, it's a level-up slightly more dangerous that standard seasonal influenza, we don't deny that in any way, and catching it totally sucks in many cases.
But when you run around, "hair on fire screeching", your credibility factor drops to absolute zero, and no one listens to you. All it does is pretty much bolster or solidify our diagnosis of you DUmmies...  you are messed up in the head. You are crazy. You are mental defects. Your mouth overrides you a$$. Your politicization of this entire thing IS the problem.

Now for a truth bomb that may insult the DUmpasses: A certain smaller group of people are most certainly "anti-vax" types. Nothing you say is going to change their minds, ever... and there are just as many conservative Trumpsters in that group as there are hard core communistic democrats. But the vast majority of us (the un-vaccinated), myself included, have decided that since this vaccine has had NO solid studies on effectiveness or long term potential side effects or consequences, we'd rather just wait another year or so and see what reality produces before we submit to injecting it, irreversibly, into our veins. Nothing we hear from government, read in media or even from hear from university studies can be trusted at this point, and THAT is also your fault. And quite frankly, for lower risk folks such as myself, I don't see that as an irrational stance in any way, shape, or form.

If you are constantly freaked out from the nature of the earth and the mechanisms of it to which you are exposed, get yourself a plastic bubble and stay the hell home, away from normal humanity, because we're all tired of enduring your insanity and obsessive hate.

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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2021, 10:51:44 AM »
I, like the rest of those who read the rantings of the DUmpasses, often wonder how they cannot see the obvious.
Their almost continual ranting about covid is just as bad, if not worse, than the people pimping the vaccine fear porn.
They are doing everything they can to convince every single person they come into contact with, that catching covid WILL KILL US ALL, YOU DAMNED UN-VACCINATED MURDERERS!

Yea sure, it's a level-up slightly more dangerous that standard seasonal influenza, we don't deny that in any way, and catching it totally sucks in many cases.
But when you run around, "hair on fire screeching", your credibility factor drops to absolute zero, and no one listens to you. All it does is pretty much bolster or solidify our diagnosis of you DUmmies...  you are messed up in the head. You are crazy. You are mental defects. Your mouth overrides you a$$. Your politicization of this entire thing IS the problem.

Now for a truth bomb that may insult the DUmpasses: A certain smaller group of people are most certainly "anti-vax" types. Nothing you say is going to change their minds, ever... and there are just as many conservative Trumpsters in that group as there are hard core communistic democrats. But the vast majority of us (the un-vaccinated), myself included, have decided that since this vaccine has had NO solid studies on effectiveness or long term potential side effects or consequences, we'd rather just wait another year or so and see what reality produces before we submit to injecting it, irreversibly, into our veins. Nothing we hear from government, read in media or even from hear from university studies can be trusted at this point, and THAT is also your fault. And quite frankly, for lower risk folks such as myself, I don't see that as an irrational stance in any way, shape, or form.

If you are constantly freaked out from the nature of the earth and the mechanisms of it to which you are exposed, get yourself a plastic bubble and stay the hell home, away from normal humanity, because we're all tired of enduring your insanity and obsessive hate.


Well, here is partly why that is;


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Public vastly overestimates risk of hospitalization from COVID-19: Study

“Ninety one percent of stories by U.S. major media outlets are negative in tone versus fifty four percent for non-U.S. major sources and sixty five percent for scientific journals,” reads the working paper’s abstract. “The negativity of the U.S. major media is notable even in areas with positive scientific developments including school re-openings and vaccine trials. Media negativity is unresponsive to changing trends in new COVID-19 cases or the political leanings of the audience.”

Democrats were much more likely to overestimate the harms of COVID-19, according to the Franklin Templeton/Gallup study, with 41% believing over half of coronavirus patients would require hospitalizations, compared to 28% of Republicans.

Republicans were also more likely to identify the correct risk of hospitalization from the virus, with 26% answering between 1%-5% of patients would require hospitalizations, compared to only 10% of Democrats who believed the same.




It's a short, but good article.

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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2021, 11:07:26 AM »
Well, here is partly why that is;

Yea, this is what I mean when I refer to the politicization of a public health matter.
Over the past 15 years, we have witness serious government abuses for political purposes from NSA, IRS, FBI, ATF, I mean, there are few of the alphabet bureaucracies that are exempt... including the Supreme Court and the Executive branch. And not only have those been abused for political operations, we have been outright lied to by ALL of them, and it is not mere speculation, they were caught doing it. We've even seen the coveted Dr Fauchi lie to us, along with the CDC.

So it is not at all unreasonable to view anything coming from those entities, including their media propaganda outlets, with fair skepticism, or even extreme skepticism... they are proven liars and politically infected operatives. They only have themselves to blame for the mis-trust among the public.
I think their motives for vaccination are valid (and not an evil Bill Gates microchip plan), but I'm not willing to be a personal test case for the same reasons I have never signed up for medical case studies on new drugs before now.

I'm all but certain that there are bits of information out there regarding covid and related vaccines that is 100% accurate. But because of democrat politicization on this subject, I am unable to determine what is fact, and what is fiction. I'm an odds type, I do what is best for me by weighing risk v/s benefit. When I have zero valid data to consider in my risk assessment, I cannot make a judgement, and that is exactly where I and many others are regarding this particular vaccine suite.

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Re: The DUmmies fall for a bouncy
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2021, 11:13:41 AM »
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A certain smaller group of people are most certainly "anti-vax" types. ... and there are just as many conservative Trumpsters in that group as there are hard core communistic democrats.

You mean arch-anti-vaxxer RFK Jr. isn't a Trumpster? Who'd athunk it? :rotf:

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... this vaccine has had NO solid studies on effectiveness ...

1. Three vaccines are authorized for use in the US, not one.

2. You want studies? Enjoy:

J&J Phase 1/2 start, July 30, 2020: https://www.janssen.com/single-dose-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-candidate-demonstrates-robust-protection-pre-clinical ; https://www.jnj.com/single-dose-of-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-candidate-demonstrates-robust-protection-in-pre-clinical-studies
J&J Phase 3 start, September 23, 2020: https://www.jnj.com/johnson-johnson-initiates-pivotal-global-phase-3-clinical-trial-of-janssens-covid-19-vaccine-candidate ; https://www.janssen.com/johnson-johnson-initiates-pivotal-global-phase-3-clinical-trial-janssens-covid-19-vaccine-candidate
J&J Phase 1/2 data posted September 25, 2020: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.23.20199604v1 ; published in NEJM January 13, 2021: https://www.jnj.com/johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-candidate-interim-phase-1-2a-data-published-in-new-england-journal-of-medicine
J&J Phase 3 data published April 21, 2021 in NEJM: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2101544

Moderna Phase 1 start, March 16, 2020: https://www.kpwashingtonresearch.org/news-and-events/recent-news/news-2020/kaiser-permanente-launches-coronavirus-vaccine-study-seattle , https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/03/16/hhs-secretary-azar-statement-on-launch-of-phase-1-covid-19-vaccine-trial.html , https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-clinical-trial-investigational-vaccine-covid-19-begins
Moderna Phase 2 start, May 29, 2020: https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-first-participants-each-age-cohort-dosed-phase
Moderna Phase 3 start, July 27, 2020: https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-phase-3-cove-study-mrna-vaccine-against-covid
Moderna Phase 1 data published July 14, 2020 in NEJM: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483
Moderna Phase 3 data published December 30, 2020 in NEJM: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2035389

Pfizer Phase 1/2 start, April 29, 2020: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/biontech-and-pfizer-announce-completion-dosing-first-cohort
Pfizer Phase 2/3 start, July 27, 2020: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-choose-lead-mrna-vaccine-candidate-0
Pfizer Phase 1/2 data posted July 1, 2020: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.30.20142570v1
Pfizer Phase 3 data published December 10, 2020 in NEJM: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

I could easily compile a similar list of urls for tests of the Novavax vaccine, but they have not yet requested Emergency Use Authorization and thus have not been authorized for use in the US, so I won't. Ditto for AstraZeneca's vaccine. Inovio's vaccine is still in Phase 3 testing, but I could compile a similar list for their vaccine as well.
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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2021, 11:29:08 AM »
2. You want studies? Enjoy:

See, this is my primary issue. Those are studies written up by the for-profit entities selling the stuff, or the government, etc. Those all fall into the category (for me at least) of untrustworthy. I would assert that there is no way that a study can tell us the long term effects of these when they have only been on the market for barely over a year. I can't personally categorize that as "solid studies". Sure, odds of it killing me within a week are slim to zero. But what happens down the road? What consequences are there for my immune system overall? The list of questions is endless, most of which I will never have answers to, but I can at least observe what happens over time and make a better call. And int he meantime if I catch the virus, the overwhelming odds say that I will simply get sick and lay in bed for a week, something I've had to do already, countless times in my life. All this is not to mention, I *think* I already had the damn virus in Dec '19. I was down for a week and a half over Christmas/NY and could barely get out of bed, and my lungs were a wreck for like a month after. But I never got tested because mainly, there was no reliable test available yet.

And yea, I know, I am more unwilling to accept data than I am to accept it right now, that's on me, not anyone else. But I think I outlined pretty solid reasons for not trusting any of them at this point.
And I'm no where near someone who could be labelled "anti-vax". Hell, I even got a shingles vaccination at the request of my doctor. Vaccinations have done more to eliminate the suffering of mankind than just about any other science. I even successfully urged my 70+ year old parents to go get the damn shots, but because the odds are in their favor by getting it, at their ages, that is without question. I just want to see the real-world results for my own risk category and age. How I will ever be able to gain that on this particular subject remains a mystery to me due to the politicization of it all. And I don't see that as an unreasonable stance at all given the environment of distrust created by these bad actors.

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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2021, 11:45:57 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2021, 01:42:47 PM »
Rep. Buddy Carter to Newsmax: VP Harris 'Patient Zero for Vaccine Hesitancy'
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/buddycarter-kamalaharris-covid-vaccines/2021/07/19/id/1029169/
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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2021, 10:00:23 PM »
This is where "our betters" know what theyre talking about and think we can be won over by dinner if you get vaccinated
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