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Star Member hunter (33,397 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215686838Could you live without bacon? Bacon may disappear in California as pig rules take effectQuoteDES MOINES, Iowa — Thanks to a reworked menu and long hours, Jeannie Kim managed to keep her San Francisco restaurant alive during the coronavirus pandemic.That makes it all the more frustrating that she fears her breakfast-focused diner could be ruined within months by new rules that could make one of her top menu items – bacon – hard to get in California."Our number one seller is bacon, eggs and hash browns," said Kim, who for 15 years has run SAMS American Eatery on the city's busy Market Street. "It could be devastating for us."At the beginning of next year, California will begin enforcing an animal welfare proposition approved overwhelmingly by voters in 2018 that requires more space for breeding pigs, egg-laying chickens and veal calves. National veal and egg producers are optimistic they can meet the new standards, but only 4% of hog operations now comply with the new rules.--more--https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2021/08/01/california-bacon-ban-state-enforce-animal-welfare-proposition/5447260001/Cheap bacon is not a human right.If all the cheap factory farm pork disappeared from the supermarkets tomorrow the world would be a better place.
DES MOINES, Iowa — Thanks to a reworked menu and long hours, Jeannie Kim managed to keep her San Francisco restaurant alive during the coronavirus pandemic.That makes it all the more frustrating that she fears her breakfast-focused diner could be ruined within months by new rules that could make one of her top menu items – bacon – hard to get in California."Our number one seller is bacon, eggs and hash browns," said Kim, who for 15 years has run SAMS American Eatery on the city's busy Market Street. "It could be devastating for us."At the beginning of next year, California will begin enforcing an animal welfare proposition approved overwhelmingly by voters in 2018 that requires more space for breeding pigs, egg-laying chickens and veal calves. National veal and egg producers are optimistic they can meet the new standards, but only 4% of hog operations now comply with the new rules.--more--https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2021/08/01/california-bacon-ban-state-enforce-animal-welfare-proposition/5447260001/
Star Member TheBlackAdder (21,333 posts) 15. If you've seen the litteral shit they wallow in, and cross contaminate infections at large farms....Those pigs are pumped with all kinds of antibiotics to prevent a mass die-off.You're eating that shit because the meat is rife with it.---Having once owned pigs, they require space and separation. Many of these large farms cram in 50-60% of the available space with pigs, so they have to constantly bump into one another just to move around.
ansible (1,525 posts) 3. WTF is going on with California?Why does life keep getting worse?
Star Member hunter (33,397 posts) 14. This will make the world a better place.Raising hogs in factory farms is bad for the workers, bad for natural environment, and bad for our own human spirit.I've eaten pigs our family has raised, but not here in the 21st century. Growing up we frequently ate animals we'd seen alive. I've also eaten wild pigs friends and family have shot.I'm not a radical vegan, but I am mostly vegetarian these days in hopes of reducing my environmental footprint.The new California regulations slightly improve the conditions pigs are raised in, but it's progress.It's also an opportunity for farmers who are willing to comply with the law.I often wonder WTF is wrong with Iowa? Nobody wins in a race to the bottom. There's always going to be someone willing to abuse their workers and animals and the environment more than the next guy.Cheap bacon is not a necessity.
Star Member jcgoldie (7,846 posts) 4. Its not going to be a world without baconThe premise is rather silly. It means that at worst the prices will rise to match the increased cost of supply. So your bacon and eggs cost $5 instead of $3.50 at the same diner... gosh is that too much of a sacrifice for the ethical treatment of animals as an advanced society??
jeffreyi (1,399 posts) 6. Too damn bad.Buy your pork from local, responsible farmers. It can be done. There's a small producer in my area, his animals are treated well, and the meat is excellent and better for you than the factory farmed stuff.
Star Member hunter (33,397 posts) 18. So what?If fewer people eat bacon that's a good thing.I haven't bought any for the duration of this covid crisis.Previously I've only bought it when carnivorous family are visiting, maybe once or twice a year.If people eat less pork because the price is rising that's a *good* thing.But that's not my "secret" agenda, if anyone accuses me of that.For me it's all about respecting the animals we eat.
Star Member hunter (33,397 posts) 20. First the Democrats came for our guns. Now they want our bacon!Except it hasn't happened and won't happen.
Star Member hunter (33,397 posts) 35. The majority of people doing this work are easily abused recent immigrants... many of them undocumented.They lose their jobs if they complain about anything.The pork processors shield themselves by using sketchy labor contractors.If a processing plant gets busted for using undocumented workers the owners know nothing.I'm fairly certain there are pork processors who have anonymously called ICE on themselves when workers started to organize informally and gather up the courage to complain about worker or food safety issues.I once worked for a temp agency that specialized in disposable workers.My worst job from them, maybe my worst job ever, was watching over this huge machine that automatically sorted customer returns. It was so loud I wore foam earplugs I bought myself, even though they were not required. Unfortunately this machine would sometimes jam and barf all the returns out onto the floor. It was my job to run up and down the line unjamming the machine with a long wooden pole and then shove all the barf back onto the input conveyor, preferably without stopping the line. Whenever I did stop the line the supervisor would scold me.The first few days I assumed the machine was broken and I'd be out of a job as soon as they fixed it. Then I asked a coworker about it and she said they were never going to fix the machine and they'd been hiring guys like me for more than a year.When I quit the woman at the temp agency told me I'd never find work in that city again but she was full of shit.
Star Member obamanut2012 (20,806 posts) 27. I buy pretty expensive local, humanly raised baconWell, the pigs were raised humanely, the bacon is just delicious.It generally costs $12 (sometimes it's $9 or $10, sometimes $14 or $15). It cooks up nice and thick and smokey and yummy, with little shrinkage. We buy it at a local greenmarket-type place, with a hipster vibe, but with generally very good prices on produce and eggs and homemade bread products.The two of us only eat it every Sunday with eggs and a blueberry-lemon biscuit or crumpet, before golf. Bacon is so good, but not healthy, so one or two slices a week only for us. It is, as one of my best friends says, meat candy. I have a lot of sympathy for restaurant owners, but the good stuff is so much better than the cheap stuff, and no hog lagoons or pig cages.
Sympthsical (1,581 posts) 33. Bacon isn't cheap as it isWe're not regular bacon eaters, so not a big deal. We got some a few weeks ago and made BLT's for dinner one night only because it was on sale for $5. Stuff's usually $7 or $8. That is not a cheap breakfast item.Avocado toast is far cheaper. Wait for a sale, get an avocado for $1 a pop. Boom.
Tarc (9,993 posts) 50. Yea, some parts of the left/progressive spectrum do more harm than good at timesThis is one of those times.
Star Member Maru Kitteh (24,835 posts) 57. So, you're thinking that more environmental devastation and increased animal crueltyare the way to go then? Because bacon?
Star Member Celerity (20,350 posts) 78. Yep, we must maintain pig torture on the outside chance a Rethug OC housewife will miraculously starting voting Blue. The nightmare that was/is Trump didn't sway her, but cheap bacon surely will, once we internally flog those pesky progs and their cray morals on animal cruelty, and allow the hog abuse train to fire up again.Oink baby, oink!
Celerity (20,350 posts)78. Yep, we must maintain pig torture on the outside chance a Rethug OC housewife will miraculously starting voting Blue. The nightmare that was/is Trump didn't sway her, but cheap bacon surely will, once we internally flog those pesky progs and their cray morals on animal cruelty, and allow the hog abuse train to fire up again.Oink baby, oink!
So your bacon and eggs cost $5 instead of $3.50 at the same diner
ansible (1,525 posts)3. WTF is going on with California?Why does life keep getting worse?
Cheap bacon is not a human right.
