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Offline Alpha Mare

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You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« on: October 16, 2009, 09:35:45 AM »
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The most revelatory passage in the so-called “plain English” version of the health care bill that the Senate Finance Committee approved on Tuesday (without ever drafting the actual legislative language) says that in the future Americans will be offered the convenience of getting their health insurance at the Department of Motor Vehicles.

The bill orders all states to create an “exchange” where companies offering government-approved plans can sell health insurance. Americans earning up to 400 percent of the poverty level ($103,000 for a family of five) would be eligible for federal subsidies in the form of a refundable tax credit to buy health insurance—but only if they buy one of the government-approved plans in the government-created exchange.
 
The government will not pay this subsidy to the individuals purchasing insurance. The U.S. Treasury will pay it directly to the government-approved insurance providers.
 
But every year, the secretary of health and human services will determine what services need to be offered by these government-approved and government-funded plans.
 
Under this bill, the government commands individuals to secure insurance for themselves and their dependents. “In order to insure compliance, individuals would be required to report on their Federal tax return the months for which they maintain the required minimum health coverage for themselves and all dependents under age 18,” says the text.
 
The government would enforce this mandate with a fine. “The consequence for not maintaining insurance would be an excise tax of $750 per adult in the household,” says the text.

The bill does not similarly order businesses to provide employees with health insurance. However, people who get insurance through their employer will not be eligible for the federal subsidies.
 
Even though this fee will not be tax deductible, it will be far cheaper for a business to pay the government $400 per worker than to pay a private insurance company thousands per worker for an insurance plan.
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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2009, 09:40:06 AM »
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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2009, 09:49:39 AM »
Why gosh Wally guess what else many states let you do at the DMV?
Register to vote.

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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2009, 03:49:20 PM »
Why gosh Wally guess what else many states let you do at the DMV?
Register to vote.

Welcome to instant citizenship. :banghead:

I don't understand. I don't see a problem with renewing my driver's license and registering to vote in the same trip.

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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2009, 04:11:32 PM »
I don't understand. I don't see a problem with renewing my driver's license and registering to vote in the same trip.


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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2009, 04:28:57 PM »
I take it you're talking about illegal immigrants. You have to be a citizen to vote. The DMV does not possess the authority to grant citizenship.

Doesn't your state check its registrations?

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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2009, 04:37:40 PM »
I take it you're talking about illegal immigrants. You have to be a citizen to vote. The DMV does not possess the authority to grant citizenship.

Doesn't your state check its registrations?

Dude there was a reason former Governor Spitzer tried to make it legal in NY for illegals to get drivers licenses.

A fake ID..not DMVs personel job to police and all of a sudden you can vote,get health care and drive in one fell swoop.
Defacto citizenship.

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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2009, 06:24:23 PM »
Dude there was a reason former Governor Spitzer tried to make it legal in NY for illegals to get drivers licenses.

A fake ID..not DMVs personel job to police and all of a sudden you can vote,get health care and drive in one fell swoop.
Defacto citizenship.

- What do you mean "get healthcare?" Not many doctors at a DMV.
- Does NY seriously not check registrations against their records!?

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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2009, 06:31:58 PM »
- What do you mean "get healthcare?" Not many doctors at a DMV.
- Does NY seriously not check registrations against their records!?


Now you are being obtuse as you know what the discussion was about so forgive me for using the term healthcare as a general term for medical treatment payment coverage.

You tell me on the latter in any state,these aren`t folks dealing with voter registration issues but motor vehicle ones.
Do you think they will police it there or any other level of bloated bureaucracy?


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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2009, 06:36:32 PM »
Here, for a first time driver...a birth certificate is required.

However, if you have a driver's license from another state....that's all you need.
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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2009, 06:59:18 PM »
Now you are being obtuse as you know what the discussion was about so forgive me for using the term healthcare as a general term for medical treatment payment coverage.

You tell me on the latter in any state,these aren`t folks dealing with voter registration issues but motor vehicle ones.
Do you think they will police it there or any other level of bloated bureaucracy?

I'm still not certain what services you think an illegal immigrant is going to "get" at the DMV. You have to pay for insurance plans. Why shouldn't an illegal immigrant be able to sign up for and pay for health insurance? (edit: besides the obvious "they shouldn't be here")

Voter registration handled at the DMV still goes through the election boards. So, yes. The same entities who handle it now will do so regardless of whether we also have insurance signups at a DMV or not.
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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2009, 07:31:00 PM »
I'm still not certain what services you think an illegal immigrant is going to "get" at the DMV. You have to pay for insurance plans. Why shouldn't an illegal immigrant be able to sign up for and pay for health insurance? (edit: besides the obvious "they shouldn't be here")

Voter registration handled at the DMV still goes through the election boards. So, yes. The same entities who handle it now will do so regardless of whether we also have insurance signups at a DMV or not.

Let me ask you then what the great hope of 2004 was for dems in Ohio?
Voters showing up that could not be verified but allowed to cast a provisional ballot to be sorted out later.
Election fraud and chaos would have ensued for weeks but thankfully it was struck down.
Tell me how such a person should ever have been at a polling place to begin with?

You are simply trying to confuse things as all I suggested was the plan to allow an illegal who was barred from obtaining a health care insurance plan could show up at DMV and get it without any policing.

In addition dems want to allow the same for voter registration.

The reason they wish for it is that they hope for a flood of illegals taking advantage and the numbers will be great enough to allow many if not most to slip through the cracks and obtain the same rights of citizenry as those who are legally here have.

You know it as well as I and are trying to gloss that over with supposedly honest yet silly questioning.

If allowed what would be your solution to deny the government subsidized insurance program to such as would try to sneak on the system via the DMV?

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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2009, 08:55:27 PM »
- What do you mean "get healthcare?" Not many doctors at a DMV.
- Does NY seriously not check registrations against their records!?


Good frikkin' grief! Are you seriously that ignorant? You haven't seen the news stories where illegals were showing a DL in precincts in order to vote? Hell, in most places is against the frikkin' law to even ask for ID! All you have to do is produce a damned electric bill! The powers that be are NOT ALLOWED to ask if they are leagal citizens! What ****in' planet do you live on, URANUS??????????

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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2009, 09:06:15 PM »
DMVs will be re-named "People's Office of License", and will become a one-stop shop for all of your bureaucratic permission-seeking needs.

Want "the People's" ascent to see a doctor?  Go to the POL.

Want to drive on "the People's" roads? Go to the POL.

Want to vote for "the People's" Dear Leader?  Go to the POL.  (Want to vote AGINST "the People's" Dear Leader?  Please follow the nice ACORN thug at your shoulder to "the People's" re-education camp #1411.)

Want a permit to protest the rampant capitalism keeping the people in poverty and oppression?  Go to the POL.  (Want a permit to protest the government's jack-boot on your neck; oooh sorry, we're all out of those.  Please see the ACORN thug at the door.)

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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2009, 09:50:37 PM »
Good frikkin' grief! Are you seriously that ignorant? You haven't seen the news stories where illegals were showing a DL in precincts in order to vote? Hell, in most places is against the frikkin' law to even ask for ID! All you have to do is produce a damned electric bill! The powers that be are NOT ALLOWED to ask if they are leagal citizens! What ****in' planet do you live on, URANUS??????????

Nice to know you believe in the US as a sovereign nation! JFC!!!

He is being intentionally obtuse.
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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2009, 12:23:35 AM »
He is being intentionally obtuse.

Un-****ing-believable that a fellow air breather could be this "obtuse", and still hang out here!

Cryin' out Loud, these asshats are crawlin' outa the wood work lately! What gives?

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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2009, 11:45:51 AM »
I take it you're talking about illegal immigrants. You have to be a citizen to vote. The DMV does not possess the authority to grant citizenship.

Doesn't your state check its registrations?

Haven't lived in Commiefornia anytime recently, have ya?

Pray tell, why was it a Democrat administration (Clinton) that passed motor voter?

Try going on jury duty there and seeing the number of people excused because they're not citizens (legal or not) yet there they are, driving (including illegals) and voting.
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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2009, 09:17:16 AM »
Haven't lived in Commiefornia anytime recently, have ya?

Pray tell, why was it a Democrat administration (Clinton) that passed motor voter?

Try going on jury duty there and seeing the number of people excused because they're not citizens (legal or not) yet there they are, driving (including illegals) and voting.

Virginia is a good place to start. Most folk with Embassy made cards from Indonesia went to Va. to get their illegal international drivers licence turned into a state card.

Fortunately for us, a woman that has an international drivers licence lived in town and worked at city hall.     God bless her.

So when a couple of Indonesians came in to register a new car and gave her the Embassy made licence, she knew it was a fake.

Sorry but the Foreign Embassy's churn out fake documents for their citizens at a rate you would not believe, everything from a birth certificate to those so called international drivers licences.     They also churn out licenses for tradesmen and any darn thing you can think of.

Fortunately our woman at town hall alerted the nation that these drivers were fake---good going girl.

Problem, ask Sparkey, some of the contractors for Nuclear Plans have hired contractors that have illegals in the work force, they have paper work that looks good but when tested shows it is a fake.

Not just drivers licenses but all kinds Of licences, no way to find out if the company is for real unless you hire a licenced plumber that blows up your toilet.

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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2009, 03:33:07 PM »
Good post, Vesta.  Thank you.
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Re: You Will Get Health Insurance at DMV—Literally
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2009, 03:52:15 PM »
Haven't lived in Commiefornia anytime recently, have ya?

Pray tell, why was it a Democrat administration (Clinton) that passed motor voter?

Try going on jury duty there and seeing the number of people excused because they're not citizens (legal or not) yet there they are, driving (including illegals) and voting.

My grandma is a Canadian Citizen, and she still got jury summons.  She couldn't just explain over the phone that she wasn't a US Citizen, she had to go down to courthouse each time to explain why she couldn't serve.

I think I've been asked for ID once when voting.  Usually they just ask for my name and address, then have me sign.  It would be incredibly easy for someone to lie, and considering the voting rates, they would have a decent chance of getting away with it.