16,000 Republicans in Cuyahoga crossed over and..

[Lauri]

Algorem  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Mar-09-08 08:22 AM
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16,000 Republicans in Cuyahoga crossed over and voted Democratic in primary
   

Source: Plain Dealer

16,000 Republicans in Cuyahoga crossed over and voted Democratic in primary
Sunday, March 09, 2008
Amanda Garrett
Plain Dealer Reporter

A staggering 16,000-plus Republicans in Cuyahoga County switched parties when they voted in last week's primary.

That includes 931 in Rocky River, 1,027 in Westlake and 1,142 in Strongsville. More than a third of the Republicans in Solon and Bay Village switched. Pepper Pike had the most dramatic change: just under half its Republicans became Democrats. And some of those who changed - it's difficult to say how many - could be in trouble with the law.

At least one member of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections wants to investigate some Republicans who may have crossed party lines only to influence which Democrat would face presumed Republican nominee John McCain in November.


Those who crossed lines were supposed to sign a pledge card vowing allegiance to their new party...



Read more: http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/ba...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3217086


huge thread about how illegal the GOP is 

[Lauri]

huge thread... but uh oh. actual law!

POAS  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Mar-09-08 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #11
13. Checked Ohio SOS office and found this
   
How do I establish which political party’s ballot I am entitled to vote?

You may vote the primary ballot of the political party with which you currently wish to be affiliated. If you voted the primary ballot of a different political party in 2005 or 2006, you will complete a statement at your polling place confirming the change in your political party affiliation.


Sounds to me as though you could switch back if you simply sign another statement but I don't have the exact law pertaining to this at hand.

[Lauri]

IanDB1 
18. But drug-addled gasbag Rush Limbaugh TOLD them to do that!   Updated at 5:46 PM
   
And some of them called his radio show and bragged about it afterward, too!

"Mega-dittos Rush, ah did what you said and it was a hoot, ah tell you whot!"

and Rush is laughing hisself silly 

[Carl]

huge thread... but uh oh. actual law!

POAS  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Mar-09-08 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #11
13. Checked Ohio SOS office and found this
   
How do I establish which political party’s ballot I am entitled to vote?

You may vote the primary ballot of the political party with which you currently wish to be affiliated. If you voted the primary ballot of a different political party in 2005 or 2006, you will complete a statement at your polling place confirming the change in your political party affiliation.


Sounds to me as though you could switch back if you simply sign another statement but I don't have the exact law pertaining to this at hand.

I believe it was the DUmmies (2004 election) that wanted a person in Ohio to be able to show up at a polling place and register and vote on the spot.
There was a name given to it which escapes me now.
It would be a side ballot of sorts to be examined and declared valid or not after the polls had closed if I am not mistaken.

Clearly it was intended to be used for voter fraud,non residents coming in or voting in multiple locations, and hoping that it would be too much for the locals to police so they would eventually get counted.

[Bondai]

.....and I'm sure Demoncrats never do it......

[Chris_]

.....and I'm sure Demoncrats never do it......

Ever hear of Mayor Villareconquista?  Exactly what happened.
 

[Lauri]

huge thread... but uh oh. actual law!

POAS  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Mar-09-08 08:53 AM
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13. Checked Ohio SOS office and found this
   
How do I establish which political party’s ballot I am entitled to vote?

You may vote the primary ballot of the political party with which you currently wish to be affiliated. If you voted the primary ballot of a different political party in 2005 or 2006, you will complete a statement at your polling place confirming the change in your political party affiliation.


Sounds to me as though you could switch back if you simply sign another statement but I don't have the exact law pertaining to this at hand.

I believe it was the DUmmies (2004 election) that wanted a person in Ohio to be able to show up at a polling place and register and vote on the spot.
There was a name given to it which escapes me now.
It would be a side ballot of sorts to be examined and declared valid or not after the polls had closed if I am not mistaken.

Clearly it was intended to be used for voter fraud,non residents coming in or voting in multiple locations, and hoping that it would be too much for the locals to police so they would eventually get counted.

and which party is it that doesnt want to be able to check state residency? IDs?

hmmm... let me think for a minute..

[Carl]

huge thread... but uh oh. actual law!

POAS  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Mar-09-08 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #11
13. Checked Ohio SOS office and found this
   
How do I establish which political party’s ballot I am entitled to vote?

You may vote the primary ballot of the political party with which you currently wish to be affiliated. If you voted the primary ballot of a different political party in 2005 or 2006, you will complete a statement at your polling place confirming the change in your political party affiliation.


Sounds to me as though you could switch back if you simply sign another statement but I don't have the exact law pertaining to this at hand.

I believe it was the DUmmies (2004 election) that wanted a person in Ohio to be able to show up at a polling place and register and vote on the spot.
There was a name given to it which escapes me now.
It would be a side ballot of sorts to be examined and declared valid or not after the polls had closed if I am not mistaken.

Clearly it was intended to be used for voter fraud,non residents coming in or voting in multiple locations, and hoping that it would be too much for the locals to police so they would eventually get counted.

and which party is it that doesnt want to be able to check state residency? IDs?

hmmm... let me think for a minute..

Or give illegals drivers licenses so as to get them into DMV where they can also (ahem) register to vote.

 

[Lauri]

indie_ana_500 
20. It would be helpful to know where Cuyahoga County is...what state.

oh no.. 

[Lauri]

NinetySix 
25. Sauce for the goose, folks.
   
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 10:59 AM by NinetySix
There seems to be a lot of indignation in this thread over "dirty tricks" and "cheating" on the part of Republicans. First, if all an Ohio Republican has to do in order to vote in the Democratic primary is to sign a statement indicating his political preference (and presumably sign another shortly thereafter to switch his affiliation back), then the Ohio primary is an open primary for all intents and purposes. It's probably not a very good idea to allow independents and members of a rival party to "assist" Democrats in choosing their nominee, but that's for the Ohio Democratic Party to consider when they make the rules for their own primary.

Secondly, if BFI Rush Limbaugh is urging Republican voters to switch over in this way to vote in the Democratic primary (since their own was largely meaningless), where's the difference between that and Markos urging Michigan Democrats to vote for Mitt Romney (which they did, giving the state to him)?

If I had my preference, I'd like to see EVERYONE vote in EVERY state, and according to his own conscience rather than by some political calculus. That seems to be the ideal way for democracy to proceed, but the ideal state of affairs is by definition forever removed from the actual, practical state of affairs. The rules in place are the rules you have to play by; Abner Doubleday isn't entitled to five strikes just because he invented the game.

Don't blame Republican activists or Rush Limbaugh for a laxity in the rules that can be lain at the feet of the Ohio Democratic Party (or even the legislature). It's a meta-issue, and any complaints on that score sound shrill and feckless. Get the party or the legislators to change the rules within the state if it bothers you. Hell, the more unrest there is regarding the rules about voting, the more likely it will be that the necessary changes to bring about democratization of the system will be brought into effect.

They run unfair ads, we run unfair ads. They rely on lobbyists for fundraising, we rely on lobbyists for fundraising. They spend unjustifyably exorbitant amounts on national elections, we spend unjustifyably exorbitant amounts on national elections.

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Now that that's said, maybe we can focus on cleaning this shit up.



ed: clarity

I bet Rush is reading DU tonight just having a blast flitting from thread to thread laughing his head off 

[Lauri]

df 
50. okay,
   
say they were successful.

IF hillary is the nominee, and i admit that is a big if, what are they going to do if she invites him to be vp, and he accepts. that, essentially, sets the democrats up for 16 years.

they will shit their pants.

   
   
 

rosebud57
55. Not if her ability to inflame their base boosts turnout for McCain, there is all types of Clinton
   
hatred.

Clenis

Pardons of Mark Rich


Clinton allowed 911

Clinton decimated our military

Clinton-care is a socialist plot

Supermarket tabloids and crazies

Hillary is a lesbian

Hillary killed Vince Foster

Her unfavorables are formidable

man, they just cannot figure this out 

[Lauri]

dbredes  (5 posts)
40. RNC encouraged cross-over
   
My father in Ohio, a Republican...says he was urged to cross-over to Clinton ...to stop Barack... He said he was afraid to do it... Worried he'd get caught or be in trouble.

I got the impression that it was an email or something... from the party.... ( )

Also imo...it was no mistake that Hillary drew her line in Ohio...

It is such a racially charged area..I was so surprised when I visited the summer before last.. It had been 30 years since I'd been back... Things were very bad... You couldn't walk down the street...no really...You can't even walk into a 7/11...You drive-up...and are served through bullet-proof..drive in teller windows...

Taverns have buzzers to enter... Neighborhoods and their schools in shambles..

Cincinnati police seen as bigots.....at war with the African American community.

The miracle was that none of the ground-workers were hurt...going door to door...in such a dangerous state.

of course, i hope 'dad' still has that email as proof.

but wait..

orleans 
67. and the lying, cheating poll workers were doing it too
   
Anderson, 76, and her husband, Donald, 78, served as poll workers on Tuesday and both helped fellow Republicans change parties all day; when it was time for them to vote, they crossed over, too.

"We are both concerned about what Obama would do if he was president. We don't trust him," Kitty Anderson said. "I have five grandchildren, and I keep thinking I want this world to be safe for these kids. I don't feel good about Obama. He just seems to be so vague." Come November, the Andersons said they'll most likely vote for McCain.

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/ba...

[franksolich]

Uh, wasn't this concept of "open primaries" a liberal idea some few decades ago?

About the time of George McGovern?

Weren't the Democrats and liberals all agog and excited and enthusiastic for it?

And the then-Republicans chastised as "narrow-minded" because they were generally against it?

And so now "open primaries" are a bad thing?

How'd that happen?

[Lauri]

Uh, wasn't this concept of "open primaries" a liberal idea some few decades ago?

About the time of George McGovern?

Weren't the Democrats and liberals all agog and excited and enthusiastic for it?

And the then-Republicans chastised as "narrow-minded" because they were generally against it?

And so now "open primaries" are a bad thing?

How'd that happen?

cause this time, our side started using their tactics and they didnt like that?

[franksolich]

cause this time, our side started using their tactics and they didnt like that?

Yep.

It happens all the time.

The current "Republican" plan for allocating electoral votes in California, which the Democrats, liberals, and primitives are against, was their own idea, back in the 1980s, for example.

Democrats, liberals, and primitives ignore, utterly ignore, some of the most basic and fundamental laws of nature; (a) for every action, there is a similarly-strong re-action; (b) all is a two-edged sword, with a blade that cuts both ways; and (c) the most delightul law of all, the law of unanticipated consequences.

[Lauri]

cause this time, our side started using their tactics and they didnt like that?

Yep.

It happens all the time.

The current "Republican" plan for allocating electoral votes in California, which the Democrats, liberals, and primitives are against, was their own idea, back in the 1980s, for example.

Democrats, liberals, and primitives ignore, utterly ignore, some of the most basic and fundamental laws of nature; (a) for every action, there is a similarly-strong re-action; (b) all is a two-edged sword, with a blade that cuts both ways; and (c) the most delightul law of all, the law of unanticipated consequences.

i'm sure by now Frank you've heard me bitching incessantly about how Queen Christine and our state Supreme Court stole the governor's election here in 2004?

well, in that election a woman mailed in a ballot for herself.. and then one for her dog. she knew it was wrong, she even admitted she knew it was wrong.

did the Dems clear that dog off the voter rolls asap? not without a lot of public bitching from our side.