Should Islam be blamed for 'barbaric' acts?

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ensho  (147 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Mar-10-08 12:57 PM
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Should Islam be blamed for 'barbaric' acts?
   
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JC11Ak04.html


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The issue of Muslim "barbarism", including honor killings and other forms of violence against women, has risen in prominence in Europe's political agenda. The question appears to be: Do Muslims commit barbaric acts because they are bad Muslims or because they are good Muslims? Does Islam as such promote barbarism or suppress it? Within the vast collection of hadith, or apocryphal sayings of Mohammed, are to be found explicit support for female genital mutilation and wife-beating. Are such barbaric acts a residue of traditional society that persist despite Islam, or because of it?

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Jordan's King Abdullah succeeded in revising this language, but as the Associated Press reported last year, "attempts to introduce harsher sentences for honor killings have been blocked in Jordan's parliament, where the predominantly conservative Bedouin lawmakers argue that lesser penalties would lead to tolerating of promiscuity."

Islamic clerics, to be sure, tend to favor the idea that they rather than families should do the killing. According to a traditional ruling cited by Dr Mohammed Fadel and frequently posted on Islamic sites,

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As for the Shariah stance on female circumcision, it’s a controversial issue among the Muslim scholars and even doctors.

In response to the question, the eminent Muslim scholar, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, states:
Actually, this is a controversial issue among jurists and even among doctors. It has sparked off fierce debate in Egypt whereby scholars and doctors are split into proponents and opponents.

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For this reason it is meaningless to ask whether Islam opposes or promotes the practices of traditional society, for its method of expansion is to absorb whole the societies within its power. As a universal religion, it can only universalize the aspirations of the tribes it assimilates, rather than transform them. At its worst, Christianity makes compromises with the pagan heritage of its converts, which is why Sicilian Catholics killed for honor until recently; at its best, Islam embodies this pagan heritage, which is why it cannot rid itself of barbarism today.
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whatever the reasons for oppressing/torturing/killing women need to STOP.

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endarkenment  (1000+ posts) Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Mar-10-08 01:01 PM
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1. Is collateral damage worse than honor killings?
   
If we simply pile up the bodies of 'innocents killed' Christianity has a whole mountain range of dead compared to the hill of Islamic slaughter.

But we don't make those comparisons, do we?
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You do not see Christians beheading people.

Lex Talionis  (206 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Mar-10-08 01:27 PM
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4. We should ask that question and make those comparisons.
   
Lets take this century though and not reach back several hundred years. Even calculating the Iraq war, who is attacking civilians all over the world? In the last 8 years which religion committed more atrocities? Christianity went through a reformation, Islam has not. If you read both books, Bible and Q'uran, Both have violent tendency's. Yet to a fundamentalist Muslim, what applied in the 10th century, still applies now. Their still chopping heads off in Saudi Arabia. Don't know of any Christian countries that still stone adulterers. I could be wrong. And yes, I know America kills from the air, but have a hard time equating that to strapping on a vest and blowing innocents up in a pizzeria. May just be me, though.
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Granite coming soon.

wuushew  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Mar-10-08 01:39 PM
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Why do you feel that religion is the primary cause of cultural differences?
   
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 01:39 PM by wuushew
Do you feel the Muslims of the Balkans are bloodthirsty savages?

Amazing that you have overlooked how environment, economics and colonial history may influence behavior.


Do you feel that governments and individuals should go beyond mere observation into programs of religious dissuasion?

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Lex Talionis  (206 posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Mon Mar-10-08 04:33 PM
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44. Yea, but we don't execute drug dealers and prostitutes, nor
   
chop off the hands of thieves, or push walls over on homosexuals. So yea, I'd say there is "some" difference. Its OK, I've been posting to one here who has enlightened me about other sects of Islam, so I don't think we need to nuke them all if that is what your trying to get at.

Also just so you'll know, Communism killed around a 100 million in the 20th century, I'm pretty sure they didn't do it in the name of Jesus. No, that's not a "neocon" talking point to justify "Christian" wars.
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[LC EFA]

Should Islam be blamed for 'barbaric' acts?

Short answer : Yes.

Long answer : **** Yeah.

[Chris_]

Also just so you'll know, Communism killed around a 100 million in the 20th century,

The last words of ex-DUer Lex Talionis.

[Uhhuh35]

DUmmies love to blame the Catholic Church for child molestation. Why won't they hold Islam accountable?

Oh yeah, they'll get their heads sawed off, that's why.

[CactusCarlos]

endarkenment  (1000+ posts)

1. Is collateral damage worse than honor killings?
   
If we simply pile up the bodies of 'innocents killed' Christianity has a whole mountain range of dead compared to the hill of Islamic slaughter.

But we don't make those comparisons, do we?

Of course this asshat makes no mention of the bodies of innocents killed by liberalism.  They were just fetuses, right?

[Rebel]

Doesn't matter which board you visit that's co-inhabited by liberals. The ones ALWAYS trashing Christianity will be the FIRST ones attacking you when you start a post criticizing Islam.

As Savage would say.........well, I think most of you know.