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Title: Religion of peace???
Post by: Chris_ on February 04, 2008, 12:44:16 PM
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Report: Muslim Teen's Family Invited Men to Rape Her

A 15-year-old girl from Pakistan was forced into prostitution in the U.K. by her mother-in-law, The Sunday Times of London reported.

The teen, whose name was not disclosed, arrived in the U.K. expecting to be married to a handsome and successful older man, the paper reported. Instead, she was married to a 40-year-old, unemployed, disabled man with the mental age of a 5-year-old.

The marriage was reportedly not recognized by the British Home Office, but was considered valid under sharia — or Islamic — law.

As if that weren't bad enough, the girl's mother-in-law then decided to take advantage of the teen's youth and good looks by offered her to men looking for sex, The Sunday Times reported.

According to the paper, the family "invited" men to rape her.

The girl eventually escaped her husband's family's home and is now living in a shelter.

Her story is just one of hundreds of cases of abuse highlighted in a recent government report by the U.K.'s Center for Social Cohesion which looks at the growing trend within the Islamic and Asian communities in the U.K.

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SOURCE (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327936,00.html)
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: Bondai on February 04, 2008, 07:56:11 PM
A little 7th century mentality anyone? :censored:
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: SSG Snuggle Bunny on February 08, 2008, 04:19:45 PM
A little 7th century mentality anyone? :censored:
Point of order:

No Iraelite--not even at 500 BC--would pimp his daughter.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: Bondai on February 09, 2008, 10:23:18 AM
A little 7th century mentality anyone? :censored:
Point of order:

No Iraelite--not even at 500 BC--would pimp his daughter.

Agreed...I should have stipulated, "7th century MUSLIM mentality", my bad.... :-)
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: Chris_ on February 09, 2008, 11:33:18 AM
Well, I see the british weenies' refusal to enforce their own laws is coming back to bite them.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: seemomgonuts on February 26, 2008, 06:05:14 PM
 :( That is just terrible, and sadly- not surprising.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: djones520 on February 27, 2008, 07:22:50 AM
I can't wait for people to start titling stories "Christian mother invites men to rape daughter" whenever this happens with white people.  :whatever:
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: The Night Owl on February 27, 2008, 07:25:39 AM
I can't wait for people to start titling stories "Christian mother invites men to rape daughter" whenever this happens with white people.  :whatever:

David Koresh.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: Chris_ on February 27, 2008, 07:51:06 AM
I can't wait for people to start titling stories "Christian mother invites men to rape daughter" whenever this happens with white people.  :whatever:

David Koresh.
...was about as Christian as Osama.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: djones520 on February 27, 2008, 07:52:41 AM
I can't wait for people to start titling stories "Christian mother invites men to rape daughter" whenever this happens with white people.  :whatever:

David Koresh.
...was about as Christian as Osama.

And Osama is about as faithful a follower of Islam as Fred Phelps.

Whenever people point out Christian extremists, people are always quick to point out that they truly aren't "christians".  Well the same holds true for Muslims.

As I pointed out in another thread.  There are 15,000 Muslims serving in the US Military.  Are they all Jihadists?

The majority follow a peiceful life.  We just have a problem of labelling terrorists as Muslims, instead of what they are.  Nutjob whackheads.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: Chris_ on February 27, 2008, 07:55:20 AM
I can't wait for people to start titling stories "Christian mother invites men to rape daughter" whenever this happens with white people.  :whatever:

David Koresh.
...was about as Christian as Osama.

And Osama is about as faithful a follower of Islam as Fred Phelps.

No, osama has it about right.  He understands the instructions of muhammed (may he burn in hell forever between ham steaks)  and follows them to the letter.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: Chris_ on February 27, 2008, 08:04:50 AM
I can't wait for people to start titling stories "Christian mother invites men to rape daughter" whenever this happens with white people.  :whatever:

David Koresh.
...was about as Christian as Osama.

And Osama is about as faithful a follower of Islam as Fred Phelps.

No, osama has it about right.  He understands the instructions of muhammed (may he burn in hell forever between ham steaks)  and follows them to the letter.
*high five*
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: The Night Owl on February 27, 2008, 08:06:10 AM
I can't wait for people to start titling stories "Christian mother invites men to rape daughter" whenever this happens with white people.  :whatever:

David Koresh.
...was about as Christian as Osama.

And Osama is about as faithful a follower of Islam as Fred Phelps.

Whenever people point out Christian extremists, people are always quick to point out that they truly aren't "christians".  Well the same holds true for Muslims.

As I pointed out in another thread.  There are 15,000 Muslims serving in the US Military.  Are they all Jihadists?

The majority follow a peiceful life.  We just have a problem of labelling terrorists as Muslims, instead of what they are.  Nutjob whackheads.

Right you are. David Koresh was a Christian, but he was in no way representative of Christianity. Similarly, the Muslim woman who forced her daughter into prostitution is a Muslim, but is in no way representative of Islam.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: Chris_ on February 27, 2008, 08:54:47 AM
I can't wait for people to start titling stories "Christian mother invites men to rape daughter" whenever this happens with white people.  :whatever:

David Koresh.
...was about as Christian as Osama.

And Osama is about as faithful a follower of Islam as Fred Phelps.

Whenever people point out Christian extremists, people are always quick to point out that they truly aren't "christians".  Well the same holds true for Muslims.

As I pointed out in another thread.  There are 15,000 Muslims serving in the US Military.  Are they all Jihadists?

The majority follow a peiceful life.  We just have a problem of labelling terrorists as Muslims, instead of what they are.  Nutjob whackheads.

Right you are. David Koresh was a Christian, but he was in no way representative of Christianity. Similarly, the Muslim woman who forced her daughter into prostitution is a Muslim, but is in no way representative of Islam.

True.  Real muslims are much worse.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: DixieBelle on February 27, 2008, 09:33:58 AM
My sticking point with Islam is the deafening silence from the ones who don't believe in killing all infidels and actually want to live in peace with the rest of the world. Yes, there are Muslims who want nothing more than to live their lives and get along with others. Many of them right here in America. But their own religion prevents them from speaking out against those who have hijacked said religion. It's hazardous to your health do so.

I don't see other religions murdering and threatening their moderates. Yes, we owe them the courtesy of understanding and tolerance. But it's a two way street.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: Chris_ on February 27, 2008, 11:07:14 AM
I can't wait for people to start titling stories "Christian mother invites men to rape daughter" whenever this happens with white people.  :whatever:

David Koresh.
...was about as Christian as Osama.

And Osama is about as faithful a follower of Islam as Fred Phelps.

Whenever people point out Christian extremists, people are always quick to point out that they truly aren't "christians".  Well the same holds true for Muslims.

As I pointed out in another thread.  There are 15,000 Muslims serving in the US Military.  Are they all Jihadists?

The majority follow a peiceful life.  We just have a problem of labelling terrorists as Muslims, instead of what they are.  Nutjob whackheads.

Right you are. David Koresh was a Christian, but he was in no way representative of Christianity. Similarly, the Muslim woman who forced her daughter into prostitution is a Muslim, but is in no way representative of Islam.
You know this how?
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: The Night Owl on February 27, 2008, 12:13:31 PM
You know this how?


David Koresh's own words...

"But we're sure-- being Christians --that Christ knew what he was doing."

http://www.btinternet.com/~fountain/koresh/writings/index.html
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: Splashdown on February 27, 2008, 12:20:39 PM

And Osama is about as faithful a follower of Islam as Fred Phelps.

Whenever people point out Christian extremists, people are always quick to point out that they truly aren't "christians".  Well the same holds true for Muslims.

As I pointed out in another thread.  There are 15,000 Muslims serving in the US Military.  Are they all Jihadists?

The majority follow a peiceful life.  We just have a problem of labelling terrorists as Muslims, instead of what they are.  Nutjob whackheads.

Unfortunately, while all Muslims are not terrorist/jihadists, all terrorist/jihadists are Muslim (at least currently). It is not coincidence that the attackers on 9/11 all had the same background. I agree with Dixiebelle that the "true" Muslims need to send Islam into a reformation.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: Chris_ on February 27, 2008, 12:57:15 PM
You know this how?


David Koresh's own words...

"But we're sure-- being Christians --that Christ knew what he was doing."

http://www.btinternet.com/~fountain/koresh/writings/index.html
...and of course, everything he said was true...   :whatever:
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: djones520 on February 27, 2008, 01:16:40 PM

And Osama is about as faithful a follower of Islam as Fred Phelps.

Whenever people point out Christian extremists, people are always quick to point out that they truly aren't "christians".  Well the same holds true for Muslims.

As I pointed out in another thread.  There are 15,000 Muslims serving in the US Military.  Are they all Jihadists?

The majority follow a peiceful life.  We just have a problem of labelling terrorists as Muslims, instead of what they are.  Nutjob whackheads.

Unfortunately, while all Muslims are not terrorist/jihadists, all terrorist/jihadists are Muslim (at least currently). It is not coincidence that the attackers on 9/11 all had the same background. I agree with Dixiebelle that the "true" Muslims need to send Islam into a reformation.

There are plenty of "Terrorist Organizations" that are currently active that are not Islamic.  To say that ALL terrorists are Islamic is extremely...  well for lack of a better term, ignorant.

We are at war with Terrorism.  We are not at war with Islam.  We are not at war with Muslims.  We are at war with anyone who will use terror in order to push their agenda.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: The Night Owl on February 27, 2008, 01:24:31 PM
...and of course, everything he said was true...   :whatever:

David Koresh led the Branch Davidians. The Branch Davidians are a Christian sect. They are a splinter group of the Seventh-day Adventists.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: Chris_ on February 27, 2008, 01:26:38 PM
...and of course, everything he said was true...   :whatever:

David Koresh led the Branch Davidians. The Branch Davidians are a Christian sect. They are a splinter group of the Seventh-day Adventists.
...and if I call myself an airplane, you'd believe I could fly.   :whatever:
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: Chris_ on February 27, 2008, 01:27:40 PM
My sticking point with Islam is the deafening silence from the ones who don't believe in killing all infidels and actually want to live in peace with the rest of the world. Yes, there are Muslims who want nothing more than to live their lives and get along with others. Many of them right here in America. But their own religion prevents them from speaking out against those who have hijacked said religion. It's hazardous to your health do so.

I don't see other religions murdering and threatening their moderates. Yes, we owe them the courtesy of understanding and tolerance. But it's a two way street.

Why? We don't "tolerate" Satan Worshippers, why should we "tolerate" a political ideology disguised as a theology.  I have read the accursed qua'ran and it is enough to make anyone puke.

islam was designed to use religion to get power.  It encourages -- nay DEMANDS -- the death of all who disagree and states that lying and cheating are OK so long as the ends are the triumph of islam.

Any human being who can think who is a follower of the evil muhammed (may he burn in hell forever covered in ham slices) is choosing pure evil on purpose. 
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: DixieBelle on February 28, 2008, 10:00:12 AM
My sticking point with Islam is the deafening silence from the ones who don't believe in killing all infidels and actually want to live in peace with the rest of the world. Yes, there are Muslims who want nothing more than to live their lives and get along with others. Many of them right here in America. But their own religion prevents them from speaking out against those who have hijacked said religion. It's hazardous to your health do so.

I don't see other religions murdering and threatening their moderates. Yes, we owe them the courtesy of understanding and tolerance. But it's a two way street.

Why? We don't "tolerate" Satan Worshippers, why should we "tolerate" a political ideology disguised as a theology.  I have read the accursed qua'ran and it is enough to make anyone puke.

islam was designed to use religion to get power.  It encourages -- nay DEMANDS -- the death of all who disagree and states that lying and cheating are OK so long as the ends are the triumph of islam.

Any human being who can think who is a follower of the evil muhammed (may he burn in hell forever covered in ham slices) is choosing pure evil on purpose. 

That's the $64k question. I'm all for freedom of religion in America and I know the what the Koran states. Like someone said upthread, the "Religion of Peace" is long overdue for a reformation from within. We need to keep a close eye on things and not allow terrorism to breed within our borders under the guise of religious freedom. It's not so cut and dried. And sadly, we'll see more tragedy and destruction before people get it. I wish I had the solutions.....

And as for "tolerance", I'm referring to the real definition of the word. Not what the libtards think it should mean. Tolerance doesn't mean acceptance or allowance. It certainly doesn't mean one thing is placed above another or that someone else's right can infringe upon mine. So, in essence, I can "tolerate" Islam but only if they do not demand dhimmitude or death of the infidels. And therein lies the problem because we know what they truly believe. It's up to the Westernized Muslims to step up. I won't hold my breath. This is all going to come to a head in America someday. You would have thought 9/11 was that day. People have forgotten. Scary.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: Splashdown on February 28, 2008, 10:09:51 AM

There are plenty of "Terrorist Organizations" that are currently active that are not Islamic.  To say that ALL terrorists are Islamic is extremely...  well for lack of a better term, ignorant.

We are at war with Terrorism.  We are not at war with Islam.  We are not at war with Muslims.  We are at war with anyone who will use terror in order to push their agenda.

It is Islamic terrorism--Islamofascism, I believe is the buzzword--that we're at war with. While there are other terrorist organizations, I was speaking of the groups who are actively involved in our demise as a culture and society. A quick perusal of the Muslim encroachment on European society shows that Muslim culture is incompatible with Western culture. There are "no-go" spots in France. England is talking about sharia law.

My main point is that somebody is going to have to reform Islam, and soon. I pray it is done internally, by the moderates.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: DixieBelle on February 28, 2008, 10:22:34 AM
^totally agree. We've been standing on the sidelines for years ready to support such a reformation. I can only hope that our work in Iraq continues to pay off.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: djones520 on February 28, 2008, 10:31:49 AM

There are plenty of "Terrorist Organizations" that are currently active that are not Islamic.  To say that ALL terrorists are Islamic is extremely...  well for lack of a better term, ignorant.

We are at war with Terrorism.  We are not at war with Islam.  We are not at war with Muslims.  We are at war with anyone who will use terror in order to push their agenda.

It is Islamic terrorism--Islamofascism, I believe is the buzzword--that we're at war with. While there are other terrorist organizations, I was speaking of the groups who are actively involved in our demise as a culture and society. A quick perusal of the Muslim encroachment on European society shows that Muslim culture is incompatible with Western culture. There are "no-go" spots in France. England is talking about sharia law.

My main point is that somebody is going to have to reform Islam, and soon. I pray it is done internally, by the moderates.

I don't think there is any level headed person out there who would disagree.

The problem is, that there is no way to at the moment.  Islam has no central figure of authority like Christianity does (The Pope).  The closest thing to it was the Caliphate, I believe, but that was disolved way back in the first half of the 1900's.

Without that central figure of power, you'll keeping having Osama types, and Al Sadyr types who keep preaching "their" view of the religion.  So the first thing Islam needs to do is reestablish some central figurehead that the majority of the religion can get behind.  Then the changes can start.  Until then though, it's gonna be to little, to far apart.

That lack of a figure head is another reason we don't hear about the moderate mulsim majority speak out against this extremism.  What media source is really going to sit there and care about some no name cleric who speaks out against it?  They don't have the Pope.  They don't have Bishops.  They don't have anything like Christianity does, and hence they don't have the big enough voice to be heard.

But I bet if you where to walk around Dearborne, Michigan, and ask about, you'll find a lot of Muslims who will be vocal against the extremists.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: DixieBelle on February 28, 2008, 10:39:43 AM
^Yes but those Muslims who speak out against extremists do so from the comforts of America. They enjoy all that Western life has to offer here but I doubt many of them would be willing to go on record. Self interest comes into play. And, a lot of them must struggle with the opposing ideals; living in America and enjoying Western life but yet remaining true to the Koran.

The fact that there is no central figurehead does pose a problem. But I don't see a figurehead emerging. Ever. Wouldn't that be blasphemy in the face of Mohammed?

And things like this aren't helping -
http://www.investigativeproject.org/article/613
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: djones520 on February 28, 2008, 10:47:07 AM
Go to Google and type in "Islamic Clerics who denounce Terrorism".

I see reports of Saudi clerics who do it.  Pakistani Clerics.  Spanish clerics.

Here's one with one of the most "influential schools" denouncing it. 6,000 Clerics denouncing terrorism.

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2008/02/25/nearly-6000-ulemas-denounce-terrorism/ (http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2008/02/25/nearly-6000-ulemas-denounce-terrorism/)

This stuff is happening.  It's just not getting the attention of MSM, because it doesn't have the authority that Christianity does.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: DixieBelle on February 28, 2008, 11:14:44 AM
"More please" is all I have to say. It's encouraging.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: Bondai on April 13, 2008, 02:38:15 PM
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Right you are. David Koresh was a Christian, but he was in no way representative of Christianity.

How so?
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: The Night Owl on April 13, 2008, 04:24:36 PM
Why? We don't "tolerate" Satan Worshippers, why should we "tolerate" a political ideology disguised as a theology.  I have read the accursed qua'ran and it is enough to make anyone puke.

I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that most places in the United States tolerate Satan worshippers as long as they're not breaking any laws.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: Crazy Horse on April 13, 2008, 04:41:25 PM
I don't think there is any level headed person out there who would disagree.

The problem is, that there is no way to at the moment.  Islam has no central figure of authority like Christianity does (The Pope).  The closest thing to it was the Caliphate, I believe, but that was disolved way back in the first half of the 1900's.

Without that central figure of power, you'll keeping having Osama types, and Al Sadyr types who keep preaching "their" view of the religion.  So the first thing Islam needs to do is reestablish some central figurehead that the majority of the religion can get behind.  Then the changes can start.  Until then though, it's gonna be to little, to far apart.

That lack of a figure head is another reason we don't hear about the moderate mulsim majority speak out against this extremism.  What media source is really going to sit there and care about some no name cleric who speaks out against it?  They don't have the Pope.  They don't have Bishops.  They don't have anything like Christianity does, and hence they don't have the big enough voice to be heard.

But I bet if you where to walk around Dearborne, Michigan, and ask about, you'll find a lot of Muslims who will be vocal against the extremists.

Catholics have a central figure head, the pope........................Christianity does not have a figure head.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: Ptarmigan on April 13, 2008, 05:51:13 PM
That's just plain vile.
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: Ptarmigan on April 13, 2008, 05:56:14 PM
Berbers, Persians, Turks, Blacks, and Asians are victims of racism and destruction of their own culture at the hands of Arab Islamists. Islamic terrorism gets a lot of attention. However, racism in the Muslim world is overlooked and very widespread.

Arab racism Islamo fascism (http://arabracismislamofascism.wordpress.com/2007/03/11/arab-racism-arab-supremacy-arabization-arabism-genocide-ethnic-cleansing-etc/)
Title: Re: Religion of peace???
Post by: CactusCarlos on April 13, 2008, 06:24:35 PM
The problem is, that there is no way to at the moment.  Islam has no central figure of authority like Christianity does (The Pope). 

The Pope is the head of Christianity?