Procedural Vote Stalls Defense Bill, Repeal of 'Don't Ask Don't Tell' (UPDATED)

[vesta111]

Sparky,

In the mid 1970's when Hubby was an instructor at Mare Island NPS in Vallejo, there were the same problems we have today.

That poor man came home every night with a few students, I and the kids would leave them at the kitchen table as he tutored them in theory and math.  Now this was before the cheap hand held calculators came out, all was slide rule then.  Makes me wonder what would have happend had they had calculators back then.

The pressure on the students was so extraordinary that the students wives were begging them to find a way to get the heck out of the Navy.

So smart, these kids could run a reactor with a blind fold on.  Most of the students had been through Sub school, trained in Idaho but to go Nuke the pressure was just too much for some of them.

They wanted out--not just the Nuke service but the military as well.

Hubby went nuts one night, his most promissing student had cracked and gone to his CO and told him he was gay.  So long ago I have a problem remembering so far back, but this really rocked his world.

We have a big problem here with Gay servicemen and woman.  Yes they should be able to serve but in what capacity, ?

Seems strange that a sex preference should have anything to do with the military, darn but a gay and a heterosexual, bank robber or serial killer can all die in battle together.

I am wandering off subject, but if my house caught fire and a gay firefighter risked his life to save my life----

I am the victim of road rage and a gay cop kept a mad man from killing me---

I have a heart attack and the surgeon is gay------

We go to war and the people that lay their life on the line to keep MY freedom is gay------

I am more concerned with allowing woman on Subs then I am with all of the above.

 

[zeitgeist]

Sparky,

In the mid 1970's when Hubby was an instructor at Mare Island NPS in Vallejo, there were the same problems we have today.

That poor man came home every night with a few students, I and the kids would leave them at the kitchen table as he tutored them in theory and math.  Now this was before the cheap hand held calculators came out, all was slide rule then.  Makes me wonder what would have happend had they had calculators back then.

The pressure on the students was so extraordinary that the students wives were begging them to find a way to get the heck out of the Navy.

So smart, these kids could run a reactor with a blind fold on.  Most of the students had been through Sub school, trained in Idaho but to go Nuke the pressure was just too much for some of them.

They wanted out--not just the Nuke service but the military as well.

Hubby went nuts one night, his most promissing student had cracked and gone to his CO and told him he was gay.  So long ago I have a problem remembering so far back, but this really rocked his world.

We have a big problem here with Gay servicemen and woman.  Yes they should be able to serve but in what capacity, ?

Seems strange that a sex preference should have anything to do with the military, darn but a gay and a heterosexual, bank robber or serial killer can all die in battle together.

I am wandering off subject, but if my house caught fire and a gay firefighter risked his life to save my life----

I am the victim of road rage and a gay cop kept a mad man from killing me---

I have a heart attack and the surgeon is gay------

We go to war and the people that lay their life on the line to keep MY freedom is gay------

I am more concerned with allowing woman on Subs then I am with all of the above.

So Vesta, do I take this to mean you are auntie-lesbo, don't like changing from Bull Nuke to Bull Dyke? 

and, how say you this or did you see it yet?

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=48974.msg541593;topicseen

Cheating?   

[Boudicca]

It occurred to me, finally, to figure out who this dipshit is.  Well, what a surprise he's a black guy.  With a hate for whitey, I'd guess.
And gays complain blacks don't support them.

http://www.armyg1.army.mil/dcsg1bio.asp

[vesta111]

So Vesta, do I take this to mean you are auntie-lesbo, don't like changing from Bull Nuke to Bull Dyke? 

and, how say you this or did you see it yet?

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=48974.msg541593;topicseen

Cheating?   

Chief Allen, is this YOU?

I gave it a look and unfortunately cannot say much about the program in the New Navy. At my age I remember Rickover and Zumwalt, one a genius the other an Idiot.

Sparky is the one to talk to.  But remember Sparky has been out of the program for years also, we need some young blood that has been through the program in the last 5-6 years.

 Hell my uncle was a sub sailor on the pig boats in WW2 and one may say things have changed a wee bit since he qualified.  He is Head Honcho at the Museum on the ship yard, he is over 80 years old and there is little about Sub history he does not know.

I would not wish woman on Subs for obvious reasons, some fast attacks have to be deployed for 6-9 months at times, or were back in time.   Even with 2 crews on the FBM's and the 3 months in 3 months out, allot of crap can happen with an all male crew, throw in females and the catalyst will cause Sub Sunk.

As far as people cheating at  NPS I am not surprised but these guys don't last long, with all the in the past at least investigation into the mental health of those confined in close quarters for months, usually it is the crew whose lives depend on them will be the first to pick out a someone that they do not trust.

We had that problem in town with the 2 crew members of was it the Grandville that beat up an old guy and lied and to the police and their Captain about what happend---ended their carear and freedom.

Had to be some kind of action caused by Drugs.

[docstew]

Bingo. Spot on, docstew. You've got 'em in order of priority too. Woe to the poor bastard who says something about a Sikh wearing a turban and sporting a beard when it's time for NBC training. Insensitive shit that he is, he's ostracized, ridiculed, and mustered out.

How many times have you seen promotion quotas completely override common sense and clear qualifications?

Religious accomodations such as would be required for, in your example, a Sikh have to be approved by DA.  AR 670-1 still provides the guidance for religious accommodation of the wear of the uniform.  A Seventh Day Adventist can legally be ordered to wear pt shorts like everyone else until they have a waiver approved (which probably wouldn't be).

As far as promotion quotas, I can't speak on that, haven't gotten a look from a centralized board yet.

[PatriotGame]

Sparky,

In the mid 1970's when Hubby was an instructor at Mare Island NPS in Vallejo, there were the same problems we have today.

That poor man came home every night with a few students, I and the kids would leave them at the kitchen table as he tutored them in theory and math.  Now this was before the cheap hand held calculators came out, all was slide rule then.  Makes me wonder what would have happend had they had calculators back then.

The pressure on the students was so extraordinary that the students wives were begging them to find a way to get the heck out of the Navy.

So smart, these kids could run a reactor with a blind fold on.  Most of the students had been through Sub school, trained in Idaho but to go Nuke the pressure was just too much for some of them.

They wanted out--not just the Nuke service but the military as well.

Hubby went nuts one night, his most promissing student had cracked and gone to his CO and told him he was gay.  So long ago I have a problem remembering so far back, but this really rocked his world.

We have a big problem here with Gay servicemen and woman.  Yes they should be able to serve but in what capacity, ?

Seems strange that a sex preference should have anything to do with the military, darn but a gay and a heterosexual, bank robber or serial killer can all die in battle together.

I am wandering off subject, but if my house caught fire and a gay firefighter risked his life to save my life----

I am the victim of road rage and a gay cop kept a mad man from killing me---

I have a heart attack and the surgeon is gay------

We go to war and the people that lay their life on the line to keep MY freedom is gay------

I am more concerned with allowing woman on Subs then I am with all of the above.

 

Blah blah blah...blah...blah...blah...fag-ivity is NOT the norm nor should it ever be. It is a genetic freak that should be sequestered in a hole and buried.

The ONLY reason "Don't ASSk, Don't Tell" is being pushed by the left is to destroy our military, nothing more.

Fags suck...literally...you know it, I know it, so does the rest of the world.  We only put up with their feces covered dicks because the lamestream media panders to them.

A.I.D.S...It's what's for gay dinner...

Snarkle...

[true_blood]

The ONLY reason "Don't ASSk, Don't Tell" is being pushed by the left is to destroy our military, nothing more.

Unfortunately, I think you're spot on PatriotGame.

[vesta111]

Unfortunately, I think you're spot on PatriotGame.

Ever watch the movie HAIR .?    The board of selection scene with 7 or 8 selection members that were all gay was a hoot.  I am trying to remember the song they sang as the drafted came into the room naked to be errrr examined. [ Could it have been Black Boys Are Delicious.?]

While the enlisted and lower level officers and Mustangs are targeted we forget that the top brass is not immune from this behavior any more then top honchos in the civilian world.

I have a hard time believing the left wants to Gut our military, I believe they are desperate to have someone, anyone, serve to keep from having a Draft and them getting called up to serve.  Those that have sons and are of modest means, in no way do they want THEIR children to go to war.  They go to college and stay there for 20 years.

You know back when I was a kid, if a boy over the age of 17 got into trouble with the law, all to often the judge would give them a choice, go to jail for 2 years or join the military.  If they got sent home from boot camp, they had to serve out their time in jail.

No parent I know of wants to see their son associating with the Gays, in Civilian life or Military.   Being forced to sleep with, eat with and train with homosexuals is now the {new} reason to dissuade our kids from  both the Left and Right from enlisting.

Sad , but shit rolls down hill from the top, and from what I have seen the top starts with who ever is president.

Rant over---for now.

[NHSparky]

I have a hard time believing the left wants to Gut our military, I believe they are desperate to have someone, anyone, serve to keep from having a Draft and them getting called up to serve.  Those that have sons and are of modest means, in no way do they want THEIR children to go to war.  They go to college and stay there for 20 years.

I don't.  I've seen it.  Guys older than me used to tell me about the "hollow force" under Carter.  I didn't believe it until I served under Clinton and saw the same shit happening.

Oh, and in the last 25 years, which party has been the one primarily responsible for introducing bills to reinstate the draft?  (Hint: Not Republicans.)

You know back when I was a kid, if a boy over the age of 17 got into trouble with the law, all to often the judge would give them a choice, go to jail for 2 years or join the military. 

Bullshit then, illegal now.  Any kind of "agreement" of that type will disqualify a person from enlisting in ANY service branch, period.

[Chris_]

I have a hard time believing the left wants to Gut our military

You can't be serious.  Barney Frank "I want to cut the Pentagon's budget by 25%", not to mention the Clinton administration's treatment of the armed services.

Put down the rubbing alcohol.  It's not good for you.

[zeitgeist]

You can't be serious.  Barney Frank "I want to cut the Pentagon's budget by 25%", not to mention the Clinton administration's treatment of the armed services.

Put down the rubbing alcohol.  It's not good for you.

Think of the boast heard about the first thing your are going to do to the wife after months at sea.......

In her case hubby could claim 'mission accomplished'.   

[Eupher]

Bullshit then, illegal now.  Any kind of "agreement" of that type will disqualify a person from enlisting in ANY service branch, period.

I'm not sure if you mean "Bullshit, it didn't happen," or "Bullshit, what a deplorable practice."

I would agree that that kind of "plea bargaining" pretty much precludes a person from enlisting today, but in January 1975 when I enlisted, that was very much the practice at the time.

[JohnnyReb]

Things used to be so simple back in 1964. The Drill Instructor would ask, "Do we have any Girl Scouts this morning?" If anyone raised their hand, they were well on there way to getting their "Undesirable" on yellow paper....no proof needed, just raise your hand....and some did that weren't.

Wonder how they have done in life?

[vesta111]

Things used to be so simple back in 1964. The Drill Instructor would ask, "Do we have any Girl Scouts this morning?" If anyone raised their hand, they were well on there way to getting their "Undesirable" on yellow paper....no proof needed, just raise your hand....and some did that weren't.

Wonder how they have done in life?

6 Senators, 8 Congressmen, 12 Mayors, and a Partrage in a Pear Tree.

[NHSparky]

I'm not sure if you mean "Bullshit, it didn't happen," or "Bullshit, what a deplorable practice."

I would agree that that kind of "plea bargaining" pretty much precludes a person from enlisting today, but in January 1975 when I enlisted, that was very much the practice at the time.

The latter.

[zeitgeist]

The latter.

Our old bud CEO (I812) from SCC use to tell of being 'offered' an alternative to jail time as a lad and I never found reason to doubt his story.  One of the kids I worked with summers was from that area and got the same offer, probably from the same judge.  In both cases they were just general run of the mill juvinille delinquents with no real criminal record. The draft was in full force so they figured what the heck why not take the out of jail since they would probably get drafted eventually. 

As to the quality of their service?  Meh, who knows.  I do know one other kid who took an offer an went awol after boot.  He did serve hard time once they caught him.