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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #125 on: November 17, 2021, 03:53:14 PM »
Judgment non obstante veredicto (JNOV) is a ruling by the judge to set aside a guilty verdict by a jury.  The prosecution can appeal this ruling.  The judge cannot set aside a not guilty verdict. 
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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #126 on: November 17, 2021, 04:32:38 PM »
The jury is deliberating the case and the defense just now submits a motion for a mistrial with prejudice?

Seems kinda backasswards to me. Besides, after Binger was reprimanded at least twice for his antics, the defense announced at that time that they would file or were going to file a motion for mistrial with prejudice, whereupon the judge said he'd take it under advisement.

What happens if the jury comes back with a verdict and the judge hasn't responded to the motion? Is the verdict heard? What happens if the jury finds him guilty on one or more charges? Does that vacate the defense motion?

 :shrug:

The way I understand it is that there have been two motions filed. One was last week after the prosecutor attacked Rittenhouse's 5th amendment rights and then filed another one after the prosecution turned over the higher quality video.

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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #127 on: November 17, 2021, 04:37:04 PM »
They are stopping for the night.

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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #128 on: November 17, 2021, 04:39:41 PM »
They are stopping for the night.

Hung jury or guilty is most likely now, IMO.

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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #129 on: November 17, 2021, 04:49:48 PM »
Interesting read, though lengthy. Title of article: About Those Claims That a U.S. Marshal Said Two Rittenhouse Jurors Are Holding Up Verdict Due to Backlash, Doxxing Fears


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As jury deliberations in the Kyle Rittenhouse murder trial continued into the early evening Tuesday, speculation about whether the “lengthy” deliberations were better for the defense or the prosecution, about whether the jurors would be able to truly vote their conscience because of the publicity around the case, about whether the jurors would be adequately protected from those unhappy with the verdict after the case adjourned, and about what exactly was happening in the courtroom (since cameras weren’t on all day as they had been during testimony) reached fever pitch.

A series of tweets Tuesday evening about what was supposedly happening during jury deliberations from Jack Posobiec of Human Events was especially troubling. Citing an unnamed U.S. Marshal in Kenosha, Posobiec said that:

Two jurors are holding up the verdict, “outright citing backlash”
The two jurors are “worried about media leaking their names, what will happen to their families, jobs, etc”
The jurors are specifically afraid of “‘doxxing threats by anarchist groups'”
If some or all of the jurors are struggling with voting their conscience because of potential backlash and doxxing threats, while understandable, that’s a major problem and the judge has a duty to address that with the jurors and excuse them from the case if they aren’t able to set that fear aside and render a verdict based only upon the evidence they’ve heard in the courtroom. If that happened, and if more than six of them are unable to uphold their oath (since there are six alternates who could be seated), Judge Schroeder would be forced to declare a mistrial.

In my opinion and based on my experience as a court stenographer in more than 1,000 criminal trials – including multiple live-streamed, high profile murder cases – what Posobiec is saying could not have happened the way he tweeted it did, and if some version of what he’s reporting happened, there will be a few people hauled in front of Judge Schroeder tomorrow morning and the case could possibly end in a mistrial.

More at the link.

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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #130 on: November 17, 2021, 08:11:03 PM »
They are stopping for the night.

And ... are being sent home.

Why aren't they SEQUESTERED?!!!  This is such an important case for this, or any other defendant  facing such dire consequences.

I do not for one minute, believe that they would not be influenced by what family & friends have to say about the case ...

And God help Kyle, if any of them should be of the Liberal persuasion,  who religiously  tune into CNN, ABC, NBC, etc. for their news coverage!   :argh:

My 2 cents for what it's worth anyway!

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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #131 on: November 17, 2021, 09:18:52 PM »
Latest rumor from the Twitts:
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Judge was hoping for a quick acquittal but the holdouts didn’t want the media backlash

Now the holdouts want an acquittal hut the judge doesn’t want the media backlash

Everyone wants to pass the buck

And an 18-year-old’s life hangs in the balance
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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #132 on: November 18, 2021, 06:46:35 AM »
And ... are being sent home.

Why aren't they SEQUESTERED?!!!  This is such an important case for this, or any other defendant  facing such dire consequences.

I do not for one minute, believe that they would not be influenced by what family & friends have to say about the case ...

And God help Kyle, if any of them should be of the Liberal persuasion,  who religiously  tune into CNN, ABC, NBC, etc. for their news coverage!   :argh:

My 2 cents for what it's worth anyway!

In a normal world where rational thought rules the day, I'd expect the jury being sent home means the judge is about to rule in favor of one of the mistrial motions. In the Dim'Rat run proggy shithole which obtains in Kenosha however, your guess is as good as mine.
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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #133 on: November 18, 2021, 06:23:25 PM »
I was holding out for acquittal, but it looks like one or two DUmmies got on the jury. I will accept a hung jury and a mistrial.

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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #134 on: November 19, 2021, 07:26:58 AM »
Title of article: Stuck Rittenhouse Jurors Ask to See Hocus Pocus Out of Focus 'Provocation' Video and All Hell May Break Loose

Interesting take - trial watchers believe that the jury foreman (a woman) is the holdout. Her request to see video (the fuzzy video and the FBI drone footage) is at the link.

Further interesting information about Ziminski, who allegedly helped Rosenbaum corral KR and who - without doubt - discharged his own firearm behind KR. Ziminski did not testify, and the article's author believe that's a major error on part of the defense. Ziminski is also being charged on other riot-related crimes and his wife is reportedly in prison. Prosecutor is Binger, of course. Binger's a busy guy, eh?

This is a good article, well worth the read.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/11/18/stuck-rittenhouse-jurors-ask-to-see-hocus-pocus-out-of-focus-provocation-video-and-all-hell-may-break-loose-n1534309
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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #135 on: November 19, 2021, 07:51:33 AM »
I can't make out $#!+ from either of these videos.  Can anyone say:

Reasonable Doubt?
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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #136 on: November 19, 2021, 08:22:56 AM »
I can't make out $#!+ from either of these videos.  Can anyone say:

Reasonable Doubt?

Not only that (ostensibly, the out-of-focus video doesn't clearly show whether or not KR pointed his rifle at Rosenbaum whereas the more clear video does show clearly that KR did not), but the software marking on the prosecution's video (the more clear version) says "Handbrake".

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Interestingly, a photo purportedly of ADA Kraus’ laptop screen being projected onto the large 4k TV screen in the courtroom shows the presence of an imaging software named Handbrake. I lack any technical expertise or experience with Handbrake software, but apparently, a core purpose is to generate low-definition versions of high-definition videos. This has led to speculation that the provision of the low-resolution video to the defense was not an accident at all, but rather an intentional act of the prosecution. If so, this would be prosecutorial misconduct sufficiently grievous to not only warrant a mistrial with prejudice but certainly misconduct perhaps even malicious prosecution charges.

If any of this is true, game over for the prosecution.
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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #137 on: November 19, 2021, 08:59:16 AM »
Not only that (ostensibly, the out-of-focus video doesn't clearly show whether or not KR pointed his rifle at Rosenbaum whereas the more clear video does show clearly that KR did not), but the software marking on the prosecution's video (the more clear version) says "Handbrake".

SKIP

If any of this is true, game over for the prosecution.

 Oh please let it be true!!!

  Found a youtube of how to use Handbrake ...  Is 9 minutes long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLiQPqHRA-s
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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #138 on: November 19, 2021, 11:53:38 AM »
Jack Posobiec just re-tweeted someone saying the verdict is in, and will be announced soon.

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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #139 on: November 19, 2021, 12:03:03 PM »
Bill Clinton used to say: "If they don't have pictures just lie your ass off."   Apparently that is now obsolete.
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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #140 on: November 19, 2021, 12:22:28 PM »
Verdict ...

NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!
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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #142 on: November 19, 2021, 02:30:56 PM »
NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS! There is hope left for America.

Thank God. Guys if you are religious like me and was praying all this time...keep praying. This time for protection for Kyle, the jurors, and the judge.

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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #143 on: November 19, 2021, 02:41:51 PM »
"We tangled. They lost."

-Brig. Gen. Robin Olds.
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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #145 on: November 19, 2021, 03:01:39 PM »
"We tangled. They lost."

-Brig. Gen. Robin Olds.
absolutely.  If Rittenhouse's young body could have, he should have been sporting a bulletproof mustache ala (then) Colonel Robin Olds during the trial to upset the prosecution even more...
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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #147 on: November 19, 2021, 03:13:57 PM »
Yes, this is an actual headline posted after the verdict: 3 black men shot...

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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
« Reply #148 on: November 19, 2021, 03:22:16 PM »
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This acquittal isn’t just about Kyle Rittenhouse. This verdict reiterates that every American has the God-given right to self-defense and the protections of the Second Amendment. The corrupt corporate media should be appalled by their coverage of this case from start to finish.
SUE the media, Kyle. The Left will never let you work. Might as well be rich.

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Re: Day by Day Rittenhouse Trial Coverage
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