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Current Events => Breaking News => Topic started by: SVPete on November 05, 2021, 12:08:00 PM
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Andrew Branca is doing day by day live coverage and summaries, accessible here, https://legalinsurrection.com/author/law-of-self-defense/ . At present the prosecution looks to be the flounder whose fan mail was not received by Rocky and Bullwinkle.
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I was more than a little surprised to see a witness for the prosecution actually testify about Rosenbaum's threat conveyed to him and Rittenhouse. Further, that video trashes the prosecutor's opening statement in that Rittenhouse was being chased by Rosenbaum.
One would think that witnesses called by the prosecution would strengthen the prosecutor's case. Doesn't appear to have happened.
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...One would think that witnesses called by the prosecution would strengthen the prosecutor's case. Doesn't appear to have happened.
I suspect this prosecutor attended the same law school as #JoeTheFraud Biden... :thatsright:
Probably got about the same grades as him, too...
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The prosecutor might as well be saying "Because of the defendant, a man can't even burn down a city in peace anymore anymore. What a country!".
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Man Kyle Rittenhouse Shot Had Loaded Handgun, Witness Testifies http://dlvr.it/SC0SrV
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Rittenhouse Trial Day 4: Two State Blunders Create Opportunity for the Defense
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-4-two-state-blunders-create-opportunity-for-the-defense/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-4-two-state-blunders-create-opportunity-for-the-defense/)
Posted by Andrew Branca
The great defense fumble of the day—from which they may still recover, if they even recognize the error—was accidentally revealed by the State making its own small error and getting caught by the defense. Or, perhaps more accurately, half-caught.
This generalized legal smash-up occurred during the questioning of State’s witness Susan Hughes, the great-aunt of Anthony Huber. Huber, you will remember, was the second man shot by Kyle the night of August 25, 2020, and fatally, after he struck Kyle twice around the head with a heavy skateboard, then grabbed Kyle’s rifle to seize it from him.
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As ADA Jim Kraus was conducting direct questioning of Ms. Hughes, he attempted to introduce into evidence her testimony about an event from Huber’s childhood in which he’d purportedly saved a family gathering from an impending explosion.
Kraus initiated this by asking Ms. Hughes, “Have you known Huber to run to danger?”
The defense immediately objected, on grounds of relevance and also that it was inadmissible habit and custom evidence—that is, evidence attempting to argue that because somebody acted in a certain way on one occasion, that meant he acted in a similar way on a later occasion. Such evidence intended to prove a character trait or a proclivity is generally inadmissible
Remarkably, when the defense objected on the grounds of habit and custom, and Judge Schroeder sustained the objection on that basis, ADA Kraus looked directly at the judge and whined (all this in front of the jury, mind you), “All we’ve heard in this trial is nothing but habit and custom evidence.”
For those of you not in the legal profession, let me be the one to inform you—you don’t backtalk to the judge. Never, ever, ever. At least, not with expecting a smackdown.
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The state’s position was that this evidence of Huber’s heroic conduct should be admissible because it would rebut the defense argument that Huber was the initial aggressor in his confrontation with Rittenhouse. That issue of initial aggressor, of course, goes right to the self-defense element of Innocence, without which Kyle’s claim of self-defense with respect to Huber would collapse.
That Huber was the initial aggressor is, of course, incontestably captured on video, as he chased down the fleeing Kyle, struck him twice with the heavy skateboard, and was fighting Kyle for control of his rifle when Kyle fired the single round that killed him.
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The only question is whether Kyle reasonably perceived he was facing an unlawful, imminent deadly force attack. If he was, he was privileged to use deadly defensive force regardless of what might have been in Huber’s head (about which, again, we have no actual evidence, or anything other than speculation).
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The second major blunder of the day was also triggered by none other than ADA Kraus, this time during his questioning of State’s witness Kariann Swart, described as the fiancé of Joseph Rosenbaum.
You’ll recall that all evidence of Rosenbaum’s psychiatric issues, including his that-day release from the mental ward of the local hospital, had been excluded from the trial by Judge Schroeder, primarily on the grounds that Kyle lacked personal knowledge of those matters at the moment he defended himself against Rosenbaum’s attack. Had Kyle known, the information would have been relevant to his own state of mind, but he did not.
Suddenly, however, ADA Kraus asked Ms. Swart if Rosenbaum had taken his medication that day. She said he had—but the defense took note of the question. After direct questioning by Kraus was done, and before the defense began its cross, the defense asked for the opportunity for a conversation with the judge outside the hearing of the jury and Ms. Swart.
During that conversation, the defense argued that Kraus asking about the medications opened the door to the defense exploring that issue of medication in more detail. Medication, what kind of medication, for what purpose?
The State objected, of course, but the judge ultimately decided that the issue was relevant if the medications involved were psychiatric in nature, and if Ms. Swart actually possessed personal knowledge on that issue.
If I understand Branca correctly, what he terms as a "fumble" by the defense was not taking advantage of an opportunity to introduce Huber's otherwise excluded criminal history.
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ADA Kraus looked directly at the judge and whined (all this in front of the jury, mind you), “All we’ve heard in this trial is nothing but habit and custom evidence.”
Wow. I realize the prosecution hasn't exactly been compelling, but this is basically self-satire. :lmao:
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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/11/06/prosecution-tips-hand-plans-to-depict-rittenhouse-attacker-as-hero-that-turns-out-to-be-a-problem-n1529899
Prosecution Tips Hand, Plans to Depict Rittenhouse Attacker as 'Hero.' That Turns Out to Be a Problem.
During the testimony of Anthony Huber’s great-aunt, Susan Hughes, the prosecution attempted to have her tell a story about a time when Huber “ran into danger.” Rittenhouse attorneys objected that the story was inadmissible because of a rule about habit and custom evidence. The jury was abruptly sent out after prosecutors complained about the judge sustaining the objection.
In arguments over the issue, Assistant District Attorney Jim Kraus gave away the prosecution’s play book. It’s a narrative that has little to do with the law and plenty to do with woke politics, P.R. and the erosion of self-defense.
Kraus argued that he wanted the aunt to tell a story about Huber’s attempt to “save” his family from an impending explosion. He said it should be allowed because the prosecution intended to weave a narrative about Huber’s heroism the night of the shootings. Indeed, Kraus said he planned to tell the jury that Huber was a “hero” for attacking Rittenhouse because of his possible belief that Rittenhouse was an active shooter. No one knows, nor has evidence been put forward, about Huber’s motive for attacking Rittenhouse. The prosecution will argue that Huber was provoked to beat Rittenhouse with his skateboard because of the first shooting of Joseph Rosenbaum.
he defense argues that Rittenhouse was pursued by Huber, beaten with a skateboard by Huber as he lay on the ground, and then, when Huber attempted to take the then 17-year-old’s rifle, Rittenhouse fired it, killing Huber. They contend that Huber was the aggressor in the situation, which must be present in a case of self-defense.
The prosecution was trying to bring in evidence in support of Huber’s custom of being a “hero” with noble intentions, because he was such a stand up guy.
The judge said he’d allow the testimony and the defense could respond. And the defense said, great, we’re going to tell the story about that cool time when Huber held a knife to his brother’s neck and stomach and threatened to gut him, the time he strangled someone, and the time he threatened to burn the house down with all his family members inside. Good times.
Indeed, there’s plenty to bring up about the “habit and custom” of Anthony Huber.
The prosecution ultimately chose not to introduce the story about Huber’s heroism in that instance.
The issue that matters in court is the part where the armed Rittenhouse is chased, jumped, kicked in the head, knocked down, then set upon by a guy with a skateboard. He feared for his life and acted accordingly. Legal expert on self-defense law Andrew Branca says Rittenhouse didn’t know the motives of his attacker. All Rittenhouse knew was that Huber wanted to hurt or kill him.
Hmmm. What other violent murderers does the Left call hero? Che Guevera.
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here is a quote from a Free Republic discussion:
The end game is officially protected violence against the enemies of the Left. That's what this is about, that's what the systematic corruption of the justice system is about.
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I was more than a little surprised to see a witness for the prosecution actually testify about Rosenbaum's threat conveyed to him and Rittenhouse. Further, that video trashes the prosecutor's opening statement in that Rittenhouse was being chased by Rosenbaum.
One would think that witnesses called by the prosecution would strengthen the prosecutor's case. Doesn't appear to have happened.
I read a lot about the prosecution witness saying Rosenbaum LUNGED at Rittenhouse and being corrected by the prosecutor. FWIU, it went:
Prosecutor: you mean he FELL towards the defendant
Witness: no, he LUNGED at him
P: FELL while he was moving away you mean?
W: No, LUNGED AT him
For several rounds.
How could a prosecutor not know the cardinal rule of witness examination? Never ask a question you do not already know the answer to.
The wheels have fallen off this persecution.
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here is a quote from a Free Republic discussion:
The end game is officially protected violence against the enemies of the Left. That's what this is about, that's what the systematic corruption of the justice system is about.
The explains the underlying hypocrisy of the left's position on this case, that what Rittenhouse (not the rioters) did was "provocative", and that he should have stayed home if he wanted to be safe.
No wonder the left always worries about "open season on libs" if they're planning the same thing for us.
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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/11/06/prosecution-tips-hand-plans-to-depict-rittenhouse-attacker-as-hero-that-turns-out-to-be-a-problem-n1529899
Prosecution Tips Hand, Plans to Depict Rittenhouse Attacker as 'Hero.' That Turns Out to Be a Problem.
Hmmm. What other violent murderers does the Left call hero? Che Guevera.
Bill Ayers.
James T Hodgkinson (attempted)
Floyd Lee Corkins (Attempted)
Mao
Stalin
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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/11/06/prosecution-tips-hand-plans-to-depict-rittenhouse-attacker-as-hero-that-turns-out-to-be-a-problem-n1529899
Prosecution Tips Hand, Plans to Depict Rittenhouse Attacker as 'Hero.' That Turns Out to Be a Problem.
Hmmm. What other violent murderers does the Left call hero? Che Guevera.
Bill Ayers.
James T Hodgkinson (attempted)
Floyd Lee Corkins (Attempted)
Mao
Stalin
Andrew Cuomo.
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Bill Ayers.
James T Hodgkinson (attempted)
Floyd Lee Corkins (Attempted)
Mao
Stalin
Andrew Cuomo.
Ted Kennedy
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Bill Ayers.
James T Hodgkinson (attempted)
Floyd Lee Corkins (Attempted)
Mao
Stalin
Joe Biden and everyone who helped abandon everyone in Afghanistan to the tender mercies of the Taliban.
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There is a video circulating Twitter now. It's supposedly a relative of George Floyd, claiming that he knows people who are photographing jury members with the intention of doxxing them if Rittenhouse is acquitted.
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there is a video circulating Twitter now. It's supposedly a relative of George Floyd, claiming that he knows people who are photographing jury members with the intention of doxxing them if Rittenhouse is acquitted.
The media circus that it is, that trial should never have been held in Kenosha. Of course, the people getting doxxed -- assuming that would happen -- wouldn't enjoy that regardless where the trial is held.
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There is a video circulating Twitter now. It's supposedly a relative of George Floyd, claiming that he knows people who are photographing jury members with the intention of doxxing them if Rittenhouse is acquitted.
Lefty doesn't want fair trials. They want Soviet style show trails where the outcome is determined in advance.
Never let them take your guns...we live with sub-human monsters in our mist who do not love freedom. Murder is just a step away.
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https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1457792617492615172
“It wasn’t until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him with your gun pointed at him, that he fired, right?”
Witness who was shot by Rittenhouse: “Correct”
the witness also revealed that while he once had the permit for the gun, it was expired at the time of the shooting. He also carried concealed without a license.
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https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1457792617492615172
the witness also revealed that while he once had the permit for the gun, it was expired at the time of the shooting. He also carried concealed without a license.
Was he the one who also said he had been under the influence of narcotics?
I'm having trouble keeping up w/ all the perps.
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Video of the question:
Rittenhouse trial should be over immediately.
https://twitter.com/thevivafrei/status/1457774701673996298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1457774701673996298%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hide5politics.com%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D22416
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30 minute video by Tim Pool. Like always you can pick up everything in the first 5 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPFuPNkbdaI
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Here is a new term I learned today:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/directed_verdict
A directed verdict is a ruling entered by a trial judge after determining that there is no legally sufficient evidentiary basis for a reasonable jury to reach a different conclusion.
The trial court may grant a directed verdict either sua sponte or upon a motion by either party. A directed verdict may be granted at any time, but usually occurs after at least one party has been fully heard.
Motions for a directed verdict are governed by Rule 50 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and Rule 29 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure.
Directed verdicts have been largely replaced by judgment as a matter of law (JMOL).
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Was he the one who also said he had been under the influence of narcotics?
I'm having trouble keeping up w/ all the perps.
My understanding is that the mutt with the gun was a prior convicted felon (Aggravated Burglary IIRC). Meaning, by law, he was committing yet another felony simply by being in possession of the sidearm. Pointing it at Rittenhouse was Assault with a Deadly Weapon, another felony.
Too bad leftists couldn't be consistent in the application of their own gun control laws...
:popcorn:
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I hope conservative news sources run with this.
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Since Rittenhouse shot and killed two morons, and wounded another moron, what's the likelihood of another Kenosha riot if he's found not guilty?
After all, no blacks were injured in any of this -- only whites.
Or do they just riot just because they can. And that's a statement, not a question.
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BREAKING: Gaige Grosskreutz admits he saw mob attacking Kyle Rittenhouse and approached him with his gun drawn
https://thepostmillennial.com/gaige-grosskreutz-admits-he-saw-mob-attacking-kyle-rittenhouse-and-approached-him-with-gun-drawn?utm_campaign=64487
During Kyle Rittenhouse's trial on Tuesday, one of the men whom he shot that night, allegedly in self-defense, testified that he approached Rittenhouse with his Glock handgun in his hand.
The prosecutor showed video recordings from Aug. 25, 2020, the night in question. Gaige Grosskreutz testified that he had his weapon drawn when he approached Rittenhouse, after which Rittenhouse shot him in the shoulder.
"Did there come a time when you were running that you did pull your gun out?" The prosecutor asked. Grosskreutz said that he believed Rittenhouse was "an active shooter."
"Again, in the moment, I thought that the defendant was an active shooter. Having been not too far behind like you mentioned just about to come into the frame here," Grosskreutz said, referring to the video. "I had heard several more gunshots and again making inferences the defendant was the only one with a large caliber rifle. I'd seen an individual jump over the defendant, the defendant, heard two shots and then from there, saw another individual needs a skateboard to hit the defendant or hold the defendant—either way the individual hadn't made contact with the defendant with a skateboard and then from there I heard another shot..."
Gaige Grosskreutz admits he pointed a gun at Kyle Rittenhouse.
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Since Rittenhouse shot and killed two morons, and wounded another moron, what's the likelihood of another Kenosha riot if he's found not guilty?
After all, no blacks were injured in any of this -- only whites.
Or do they just riot just because they can. And that's a statement, not a question.
Christmas is coming and the rioters have alot of shopping to do....
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Since Rittenhouse shot and killed two morons, and wounded another moron, what's the likelihood of another Kenosha riot if he's found not guilty?
After all, no blacks were injured in any of this -- only whites.
Or do they just riot just because they can. And that's a statement, not a question.
They riot.
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Christmas is coming and the rioters have alot of shopping SHOPLIFTING to do....
Fixed 'er for ya, my friend. :cheersmate:
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Christmas is coming and the rioters have alot of shopping SHOPLIFTING LOOTING to do....
Fixed 'er for ya, my friend. :cheersmate:
fify.
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shoplifting, looting... they like to think of it as a lay-away plan...
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Kenosha Detective Admits Kyle Rittenhouse Only Shot People Chasing Him
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/08/watch-kenosha-detective-admits-kyle-rittenhouse-only-shot-people-chasing-him/
(video at link)
Kenosha Police Department Detective Ben Antaramian, a prosecution witness, admitted under cross-examination Monday that Kyle Rittenhouse only shot people who chased him through the streets during Black Lives Matter riots last Aug. 25.
Rittenhouse, who was 17 at the time, is on trial for murder and related charges after shooting and killing two people and wounding another rifle in a melee shortly before midnight. Rittenhouse’s lawyers say that he was acting in self-defense.
Earlier in the day, Gaige Grosskreutz, the man who was wounded and survived, admitted under cross-examination by defense attorney Corey Chirafisi that he had pulled his own gun first, and had pointed it at Rittenhouse, on the ground.
The prosecution then called Detective Antaramian, and Chirafisi went to work again, eliciting an admission that police declined to execute a search warrant on Grosskreutz, and that Rittenhouse had only shot people who were pursuing him.
Chirafisi systematically worked through the other possibilities: “You’d agree there are multiple times, based on the surrounding circumstances, that he doesn’t pull the trigger, right?” After Antaramian seemed reluctant to agree, Chirafisi cited an example in which an unarmed person ran up to Rittenhouse, and then stepped back, and the latter did not fire.
The cross-examination continued:
Chirafisi: You saw other people that were kind of — it wasn’t a two or three-person chase, there were multiple people kind of around Mr. Rittenhouse, some of them brandishing weapons, correct?
Antaramian: There were people — and there were people that were armed, absolutely.
Chirafisi: And those people who didn’t attack him — he didn’t fire at them, did he?
Antaramian: Correct.
Chirafisi: The only people that he fired at were people that had either kicked him, hit him with something, or pulled a gun on him when he’s running down Sheridan Road, right?
Antaramian: I would agree with that statement.
Chirafisi: And after he — initially, when he sees Gaige Grosskreutz, you’d agree when Mr. Grosskreutz’s hands are up, he doesn’t fire?
Antaramian: Correct.
Chirafisi: There is a person — to Mr. Grosskreutz’s — it would be his left — with a metal pipe. Do you remember that?
Antaramian: I don’t –earlier, you called it a wooden club — I don’t know that I’ve ever seen wooden, or — off, fairly off in the distance there’s a metal pipe, yes.
Chirafisi: So people who are armed, he doesn’t fire at any of those people, does he?
Antaramian: Correct.
Chirafisi: After the shooting, I counted — and I don’t, I’m not asking you for the specific number — but there’s multiple shots fired after Mr. Rittenhouse fires his last shout, right?
Antaramian: Correct.
Chirafisi: I counted ten, but there’s multiple, right?
Antaramian: Agreed.
Chirafisi: He never turns and fires in that direction, does he?
Antaramian: No.
Last year, then-candidate Joe Biden claimed, without evidence, that Rittenhouse was a white supremacist. No evidence to that effect has been presented to the court.
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It'll be interesting to see what happens when the prosecution rests and the defense presents its own witnesses.
Has there been any mention anywhere that they're going to put Rittenhouse on the stand? I would think not, but given the incompetency of the prosecution so far, maybe they will.
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Judge Schroeder tears the prosecution (Binger) a new ass after Binger attempted to sway the jury regarding Rittenhouse's right to remain silent.
Binger said something to Rittenhouse during cross-examination along the lines of, "Since this is the first time you've told your story...." This, apparently, is a total no-no. They're not allowed to comment toward a defendant's right to silence.
Schroeder excused the jury and when they were out of the courtroom, he came unglued at Binger.
Defense motioned after the lunch break for the judge to declare a mistrial WITH PREJUDICE, meaning that the case could not be retried. Schroeder said he'd take it under advisement.
This case is starting to look more and more like something Hollyweird put together, except that Schroeder is not putting up with Binger's BS and has chastised him multiple times.
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Couple other points that Binger brought up (this guy doesn't seem to understand that his ship is sinking):
- Binger wants to query Rittenhouse about a selfie he took in front of a bar while wearing a t-shirt that read "Free as ****" FOUR MONTHS AFTER the incidents. Schroeder said Rittenhouse's behavior 4 months after the incident in question may not have been stellar, but was essentially irrelevant to what happened that night.
- Similarly, Binger wants to query Rittenhouse about an interview he did with WaPo in which Rittenhouse discussed school activities, sports, swimming, etc. and did not comment toward the case except to say (paraphrased), "If I didn't have my gun that night I'd be dead."
It's pretty clear just watching Judge Schroeder's facial expressions toward Binger that Binger is treading on very thin ice. At the same time, I'm not getting the impression that Schroeder is a hard-ass.
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I hope the judge does dismiss with prejudice. I don't trust the jury to not find him guilty just because they are afraid for their lives. They no other juries have been outed after the cases are done.
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Binger wants to query Rittenhouse about a selfie he took in front of a bar while wearing a t-shirt that read "Free as ****" FOUR MONTHS AFTER the incidents. Schroeder said Rittenhouse's behavior 4 months after the incident in question may not have been stellar, but was essentially irrelevant to what happened that night.
totally irrelevant to what happened that night and it also would be challenging Rittenhouse's right to freedom of speech and expression.
And the "free as ****" could have referred to anything. Maybe the bar was giving away free drinks that night. Maybe Rittenhouse was given the shirt thereby making it free as ****.
The prosecution is grasping at straws
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...The prosecution is grasping at straws
They've been doing that for over a year now. Basically, their whole case has been a :stoner: fantasy, suitable for consumption only by DU-grade leftists.
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They've been doing that for over a year now. Basically, their whole case has been a :stoner: fantasy, suitable for consumption only by DU-grade leftists.
Plenty of those jackoffs -- and a lot of them in the media.
One comment on "The Five" concerning this entire mess -- the shit started with Blake, a rapist holding a knife resulting in him getting shot. Politicians and the media collude to vilify the cops, which results in almost complete anarchy. Rittenhouse and his buddies answer the call to protect local businesses, provide medical care, and put out fires. Rittenhouse finds himself in a very dicey situation and defends himself.
Rittenhouse shouldn't have been there, and wouldn't have been there IF THE ****ING POLITICIANS HAD DONE THEIR JOB. As it is, he'll likely have to answer for his juvenile status and being armed with a rifle. Judge Jeanine said it was up to 9 months in the slammer for that offense.
This asshat Binger ran for DA once already and failed. He has political aspirations. Anybody paying attention to this clown show at all should run Binger out of Kenosha on a rail.
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I hope the judge does dismiss with prejudice. I don't trust the jury to not find him guilty just because they are afraid for their lives. They no other juries have been outed after the cases are done.
I'm concerned about the jury just being unduly biased against Rittenhouse in the first place. I'm hoping that perhaps they will things i the trial that make them realize they were fed falsehoods this whole time.
I saw one Twitter user who observed some of the jurors were paying close attention during Rittenhouse's testimony, and taking notes. I hope that means some of them are actually doing their due diligence.
Plenty of those jackoffs -- and a lot of them in the media.
One comment on "The Five" concerning this entire mess -- the shit started with Blake, a rapist holding a knife resulting in him getting shot. Politicians and the media collude to vilify the cops, which results in almost complete anarchy. Rittenhouse and his buddies answer the call to protect local businesses, provide medical care, and put out fires. Rittenhouse finds himself in a very dicey situation and defends himself.
Rittenhouse shouldn't have been there, and wouldn't have been there IF THE ****ING POLITICIANS HAD DONE THEIR JOB. As it is, he'll likely have to answer for his juvenile status and being armed with a rifle. Judge Jeanine said it was up to 9 months in the slammer for that offense.
This asshat Binger ran for DA once already and failed. He has political aspirations. Anybody paying attention to this clown show at all should run Binger out of Kenosha on a rail.
Agreed. If the media had covered the Jacob Blake shooting responsibly, then perhaps none of this would have happened. Maybe this rioting doesn't take place, and Rittenhouse and the others defending property don't see the need to pick up a gun.
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They riot.
I agree, of course they will. Any excuse to go out and start fires, break windows & rob businesses!!!
Fun, fun, fun, for them ... :argh:
Plus lots of free expensive gifts for them in time for Christmas! SCUM!!!
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Plenty of those jackoffs -- and a lot of them in the media.
One comment on "The Five" concerning this entire mess -- the shit started with Blake, a rapist holding a knife resulting in him getting shot. Politicians and the media collude to vilify the cops, which results in almost complete anarchy. Rittenhouse and his buddies answer the call to protect local businesses, provide medical care, and put out fires. Rittenhouse finds himself in a very dicey situation and defends himself.
Rittenhouse shouldn't have been there, and wouldn't have been there IF THE ****ING POLITICIANS HAD DONE THEIR JOB. As it is, he'll likely have to answer for his juvenile status and being armed with a rifle. Judge Jeanine said it was up to 9 months in the slammer for that offense.
This asshat Binger ran for DA once already and failed. He has political aspirations. Anybody paying attention to this clown show at all should run Binger out of Kenosha on a rail.
Emphases on your post above are all mine. Hope you don't mind.
I saw the whole thing on "The Five" tonight myself as well.
Other than the fact that he, as a minor being armed with a gun, is indeed an offence as Judge Jeanine said, and no doubt will spend time for that ...
I do not blame him for defending himself & shooting first.
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https://twitter.com/AF632/status/1458563955522031616
"All he had was a handgun, why would you think he is a threat?"
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Tuckers summation of the day. VERY GOOD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykxlfcErSYs
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Emphases on your post above are all mine. Hope you don't mind.
I saw the whole thing on "The Five" tonight myself as well.
Other than the fact that he, as a minor being armed with a gun, is indeed an offence as Judge Jeanine said, and no doubt will spend time for that ...
I do not blame him for defending himself & shooting first.
Of course I don't mind! Tried to provide a synopsis of sorts; most of that argument about the abject failure of politicians aided by the media came from Watters. Amazingly, even Geraldo agreed that Rittenhouse defended himself, though he referred to him as a vigilante-type kid way out of his depth. I think it was Judge Jeanine who argued that KR acted nobly and in line with protecting his community, which is something that Geraldo can't identify with at all. <snark> :-)
Assuming that the trial will go on (I suspect it will, with Schroeder denying the defense motion for a mistrial with prejudice) and Rittenhouse is convicted of the juvenile weapons charge and curfew violation charge, I have to believe he'll be sentenced to a fine and maybe community service. I can't see him getting jail time.
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Interesting thought:
If he is being tried as an adult, how can he be convicted of juvenile gun charges?
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When you have absolutely nothing to discredit the witness so you start attacking them for getting a lawyer. Judge smackdown is incredible here. The witness has every right to get a lawyer.
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1458863640988340227
another judicial smackdown for Binger.
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The prosecutor might as well be saying "Because of the defendant, a man can't even burn down a city in peace anymore anymore. What a country!".
Red Brick Suit (I think) said it best when Kyle was on the stand (paraphrased)
"The prosecution is doing a reverse Perry Mason where the defendant takes the stand and the prosecutor confesses."
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This gives a good, "For the want of a nail", summary of the whole Kenosha situation, https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2021/11/11/paul-waldmans-take-on-kyle-rittenhouse-is-missing-a-few-things-n428621 :
Paul Waldman's take on Kyle Rittenhouse is missing a few things
I am a conservative and here’s how I basically feel about this situation which clearly is tragic for everyone involved: I wish none of it had happened. I wish Jacob Blake had allowed himself to be arrested on the felony warrant he knew he had. I wish, barring that, the media had reported more accurately on why he faced arrest and why he was shot. And, barring that, I wish the police had pushed back on the violent rioters instead of letting them burn parts of downtown Kenosha. And I wish Kyle Rittenhouse had never gone to Kenosha to help do the job of standing up to rioters the police weren’t doing. And barring that, I wish his friend hadn’t given him the rifle. And I wish Joseph Rosenbaum had stayed in the hospital one more day so he wasn’t there to threaten people that night. And I wish Anthony Huber hadn’t become part of a mob and decided to smash Rittenhouse in the head with a skateboard and that Gaige Grosskreutz had left his gun at home and also hadn’t tried to be a hero. He too was trying to fill the vacuum of order left by the police. It feels like the whole situation could have been avoided if any number of things had gone just a little bit differently.
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Red Brick Suit (I think) said it best when Kyle was on the stand (paraphrased)
"The prosecution is doing a reverse Perry Mason where the defendant takes the stand and the prosecutor confesses."
I wonder when Binger will try the Chewbacca Defense (even if he is the prosecutor).
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Prosecutor: "Your videos that you have captured of these incidents that you call 'riots' they're very slanted against the people who are rioting. You characterize them as 'Antifa, BLM rioters.' Correct?"
@DrewHLive: "Because they are rioting in the footage, yes absolutely."
https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1458864611558453248
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This gives a good, "For the want of a nail", summary of the whole Kenosha situation, https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2021/11/11/paul-waldmans-take-on-kyle-rittenhouse-is-missing-a-few-things-n428621 :
Paul Waldman's take on Kyle Rittenhouse is missing a few things
I'm not familiar with Waldman's stuff since I refuse to read a rag like WaPo. Sexton quotes him in his HotAir column. :whatever:
But to pile on your comment about Waldman "missing a few things" let me offer a few:
- Rittenhouse lives a scant few miles from Kenosha. The leftist media would have you believe that Antioch, IL is light-years away from Kenosha. Not so. For the leftists who regularly read and accept leftist dogma, go ahead and pull up Google maps and check for yourself just how far away Antioch is from Kenosha.
- Northern Illinois (away from Chicago) and a great big chunk of Wisconsin is what I'd call "flyover country." Waldman apparently forgets that protecting communities from violence, mayhem, arson, murder, and other things are inherent to "flyover country." If the cops can't handle it, or won't handle it, a curious thing happens in "flyover country." Citizens like Rittenhouse, as young, inexperienced, and out of his depth though that he might be, will step up and fill the VOID created by the politicians and the leftists who refuse to support the cops who, I might add, can read the tea leaves and not do much of anything when the communities they are there to protect burn to the ground. That's an indictment on the politicians first, and then perhaps to the cops who stand idly by and watch people like Rittenhouse try to make a difference.
- I put 99.9% of this debacle squarely on the Kenosha politicians who created this debacle. I'll put 0.1% on the cop that told Rittenhouse to "Get the **** out of here, or I'll pepper-spray you" when Rittenhouse attempted to report that he'd shot somebody.
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Rittenhouse prosecution suggests independent journalist is biased because he called rioters 'rioters'
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Rittenhouse prosecution suggests independent journalist is biased because he called rioters 'rioters'
So it is precisely as I suggested:
The prosecutor might as well be saying "Because of the defendant, a man can't even burn down a city in peace anymore anymore. What a country!".
That's the weird thing about this trial. It is infuriating at times, but also has some entertainment value.
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The gun charge may be nerfed or tossed out.
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The gun charge may be nerfed or tossed out.
Ultimately, it was not dismissed altogether, but the judge gave the jury the defense's version of the jury instructions.
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No Evidence of ‘White Supremacist’ Leanings Presented in Kyle Rittenhouse Trial
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/12/no-evidence-of-white-supremacist-leanings-presented-in-kyle-rittenhouse-trial/
The title says it all. Breitbart does write a good story.
This just more evidence of Lefty name calling. Anyone who stands up to them is going to be evil personified.
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So the defense has rested its case and, as I understand it, Judge Schroeder stipulated 2.5 hours for both sides in closing arguments next week. Then jury instructions and the jury goes to work.
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Ann Coulter: Leftist Message on Kyle Rittenhouse Is: ‘We Are Supposed to Just Stand There and Be Murdered’
https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2021/11/12/exclusive-ann-coulter-leftist-message-on-kyle-rittenhouse-is-we-are-supposed-to-just-stand-there-and-be-murdered/
Ann Coulter, conservative commentator and author, described the left-wing subtext of Kyle Rittenhouse’s murder trial as a demand for conservatives “to just stand there and be murdered” when attacked by leftists.
“We are supposed to just stand there and be murdered,” Coulter said on Friday’s edition of SiriusXM’s Breitbart News Daily with host Alex Marlow. “That’s our obligation, because the media decided they don’t like us.”
Coulter highlighted Rittenhouse’s presence of mind and skilled shooting during the events captured on video.
She remarked, “There are a lot of people Kyle could have shot if it’s just, ‘Oh my gosh, I’m panicked, I’m shooting!’ Oh no, he was very precise shooting someone who was about to kill him, to take his gun, kill him, kill others. I was thinking — as I often do, as I’m sure you and your listeners do — thank God for cell phone cameras.”
Coulter noted that Gaige Grosskreutz, a witness in the trial, was essentially forced to admit the truth of events due to existence of video documentation. She speculated that Grosskreutz would have lied about the events in the absence of video evidence.
“There is no way that revolutionary — the one who had his arm blown off as he was pointing a gun feet away from Kyle Rittenhouse’s head — there’s no way he would have told [the truth],” Coulter said. “I was sort of surprised watching his testimony, ‘Oh my gosh. He keeps telling the truth,’ and then I realized there’s a video of this. He can’t deny that. He was pointing the gun at Kyle Rittenhouse from five feet away when Kyle fired.”
Rittenhouse’s marksmanship in disarming Grosskreutz without lethality was praised by Coulter as noted how leftists regularly oppose their political opponents’ use of self-defense.
She stated, “That’s some good shooting to shoot the arm holding the gun. That’s the crazy thing. Liberals are always saying after a shooting, usually [after] a self-defense, ‘Oh, why couldn’t you shoot him in the leg?’ People who know anything about guns know you’re not going to get that precise. You are shooting to stop the threat. You’re lucky if you hit any place on the body and Kyle — bam — right through the arm holding the gun. That was incredibly impressive.”
Coulter also highlighted some background of Joseph Rosenbaum, who was shot and killed by Rittenhouse.
“Joseph Rosenbaum, the first one [Rittenhouse] shot … he came out of a mental institution that day and was still carrying his little medical bag,” she recalled. “He’s been convicted of anally raping five little boys — convicted, served time in prison for that. So, we’re dealing with — obviously — a very mentally ill person. There was a lot of video coverage of him screaming the n-word.”
Lefty: you have no right of self defense. I refuse to be a victim. I WILL FIGHT BACK
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https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/wisconsin-national-guard-authorized-for-kenosha-in-anticipation-of-rittenhouse-verdict/
Wisconsin National Guard Authorized For Kenosha In Anticipation of Rittenhouse Verdict
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So the defense has rested its case and, as I understand it, Judge Schroeder stipulated 2.5 hours for both sides in closing arguments next week. Then jury instructions and the jury goes to work.
You are correct. Pretty sure, unless mistaken, :-) it will be this Monday (the 15th) according to both FNC & Newsmax.
YIKES!!!
Oh well, will watch as much of it as I can. And it had better go in favor of Kyle Rittenhouse. Prosecution be damned!
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I predict the Jury will not take much time at all.
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I predict the Jury will not take much time at all.
Not with the bang-up case the prosecution made. Judge should order a revolving door installed on the jury room for Monday.
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Not with the bang-up case the prosecution made. Judge should order a revolving door installed on the jury room for Monday.
That depends on whether any jurors heard about the threats and doxxing.
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Not with the bang-up case the prosecution made. Judge should order a revolving door installed on the jury room for Monday.
And if there were a revolving door on the courtroom not the jury room ...
I would place my money on Binger being the first to bolt with his losing tail between his legs!
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EXCLUSIVE: 'Under your black robes of justice you wear a white robe of the Klan.' DailyMail reveals vile emails sent to judge in Kyle Rittenhouse case including threats to 'spit directly into his face' and 'payback' against his children
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10196397/Scathing-emails-sent-judge-Kyle-Rittenhouse-case-reveal-threats-brand-racist.html
The judge presiding over the Kyle Rittenhouse trial has been slammed as a racist and had his life threatened in a torrent of abusive and menacing emails, letters, postcards and faxes received by Kenosha County Courthouse and seen by DailyMail.com
DailyMail.com has reviewed the hundreds of offensive communications sent to Judge Bruce Schroeder, and today we can reveal the extraordinary outpouring of vitriol that the high-profile trial has inspired.
One email, sent Wednesday, reads simply, 'Wow way to name a white skinhead hot head to be a judge. No wonder they burn down your city.'
Others calls for the 'racist' judge, the longest serving in the county, to be dismissed and disbarred.
A vile bunch.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/12/21/50414751-10196397-image-a-202_1636751307786.jpg)
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Imagine being upset at a judge for... wait for it... usurping the role of judge!
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1. The wisdom of providing the defense a basis for appealing every adverse ruling eludes me. Must be that chimeric superior Prog intellect DUpipo keep claiming.
2. May the hysterical desperation underlying Progs' outpouring of hate be rewarded by the acquittal they fear!
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Petition to bring disciplinary action against the SOB prosecutor:
https://www.change.org/p/state-bar-association-bring-discipline-actions-against-rittenhouse-chief-prosecutor?recruiter=1123299797&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=share_petition&recruited_by_id=10a1bbc0-b599-11ea-8982-e3d6a68e265e
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This is the leftist method, ad nauseum:
If it's going badly for your side, attack the perpetrator.
Over and over and over again, and make sure that the media falls in line with your chanting.
I'm pretty sure that approach is listed somewhere in Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.
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This is the leftist method, ad nauseum:
If it's going badly for your side, attack the perpetrator.
Over and over and over again, and make sure that the media falls in line with your chanting.
I'm pretty sure that approach is listed somewhere in Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.
Found Alinsky's 12 Rules for Radicals, below. Think the
one to which you are referring, is #8.
https://sliwainsights.com/saul-alinskys-12-rules-for-radicals/
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This Could've Been Kyle Rittenhouse: Kenosha Rioters Viciously Beat an Elderly Man Trying to Put Out Fires
https://www.westernjournal.com/couldve-kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-rioters-viciously-beat-elderly-man-trying-put-fires/
With the jury in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial set to begin deliberating next week, it’s important to look back at what happened to another man who was ruthlessly assaulted by a mob in the same city during that series of riots.
Robert Cobb, 71, was minding his own business when civil unrest enveloped the area near his home in Kenosha, Wisconsin, following the police shooting of Jacob Blake. Kenosha News reported Cobb did what he could to save the 100-year-old Danish Brotherhood Lodge after it was sacked by rioters.
Aug. 24, the night before Rittenhouse had run-ins with Anthony Huber, Joseph Rosenbaum and Gaige Grosskreutz, Cobb had attempted to protect the historic building with a fire extinguisher.
At one point, he began spraying rioters in the face with the fire extinguisher, as he would later explain, so that they might take off their masks and be filmed. He hoped that might identify them. He was hit in the head with concrete, suffered a broken jaw and needed stitches on his head.
Robert Cobb was putting out fires and was attacked.
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Weapons charge dropped at Rittenhouse trial
https://news.yahoo.com/closing-arguments-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-130556010.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
Judge Bruce Schroeder on Monday dismissed a misdemeanor count Rittenhouse faced over whether he was a minor in possession of a firearm illegally. The defense argued the charge couldn't apply because of what they said is an exception in the law. The prosecution objected, but the judge sided with the defense's interpretation.
Good. We are looking at a clean sweep now.
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Unfortunately, Robert Cobb didn't have an AR-15 (or Glock, or etc.) to discourage the thugs. His beating was part of the context for R having his AR-15.
From the little I've read, WI's gun laws are a bit convoluted due to historical evolution and accommodating hunting and such. Proggies, of course, do not care that R was actually in compliance with WI law, and neither, obviously, do Binger & Kraus.
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Unfortunately, Robert Cobb didn't have an AR-15 (or Glock, or etc.) to discourage the thugs. His beating was part of the context for R having his AR-15.
From the little I've read, WI's gun laws are a bit convoluted due to historical evolution and accommodating hunting and such. Proggies, of course, do not care that R was actually in compliance with WI law, and neither, obviously, do Binger & Kraus.
Speaking of Kraus, anybody got any more recent info about this? From an AOL article dated Friday, 12 Nov:
Kenosha County Assistant District Attorney James Kraus said he planned to ask the judge to allow the jury to consider lesser charges - so-called lesser included offenses - on the counts involving the shootings of Huber and Grosskreutz, a move that would lower the burden of proof for conviction.
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Michael F. Hart, a criminal defense lawyer in Milwaukee who has monitored the nearly two-week trial, said he could not recall a witness who was harmful to Rittenhouse's argument of self-defense. He said the prosecution's request, which must be approved by the judge, was not unusual in homicide cases.
Seems to me to be patently unfair to the defendant. AKA, "shifting the goalposts." The state should have only ONE SHOT at selecting the sheer number of charges available to them in virtually any venue, anywhere. After all, the f'n lawyers have had 230+ years to develop their database of criminal law and its precedents.
https://www.aol.com/news/prosecutor-rittenhouse-murder-trial-tangles-171721643-113257764.html
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Matt Walsh
@MattWalshBlog
For the Left, a lot of their analysis of the Rittenhouse case is founded on the assumption that the rioters had the moral right to destroy property as they pleased and anyone who tried to prevent them from doing so was infringing on those rights.
Lefty wanted to use this trial to criminalize any resistance to antifa.
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Kenosha DA pointed a gun at the jury with his finger on the trigger
(https://i.postimg.cc/TPZtcMQn/gun.jpg)
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Kenosha DA pointed a gun at the jury with his finger on the trigger
(https://i.postimg.cc/TPZtcMQn/gun.jpg)
This is known as "pulling a Baldwin".
I feel like this perfectly sums up his performance in this trial. And that's what it was. A performance.
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This is known as "pulling a Baldwin".
I feel like this perfectly sums up his performance in this trial. And that's what it was. A performance.
We shouldn't expect anything different, given the highly politicized nature of this trial that never should've happened. Charges should've never been levied.
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We shouldn't expect anything different, given the highly politicized nature of this trial that never should've happened. Charges should've never been levied.
The court clerk would have perfectly within reason to laugh the DA's charges right out of his office the moment this leftist shill came in to file them.
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https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1460400336116404227
The prosecutor’s argument on closing is that #Rittenhouse should have dropped his weapon (for anyone to take) and fought for his life with his fists alone against multiple ARMED men and assume he’d just get beating. It helps if you have a thick layer of fat to protect you I guess
NO right to self defense whatsoever. THAT is what Democrats have in store for us.
And apparently having a bigger gun than someone else who has a gun is somehow grounds for not shooting them before they shoot you.
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https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1460400336116404227NO right to self defense whatsoever. THAT is what Democrats have in store for us.
well they have said in the past that if a woman feels she in danger of being attacked that she should pee her pants, so I guess that is a form of self defense...
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(https://i.postimg.cc/NMwHYmt2/gun2.jpg)
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The court clerk would have perfectly within reason to laugh the DA's charges right out of his office the moment this leftist shill came in to file them.
Not sure the court clerk can do that, but I see your point. More specifically, perhaps the clerk should've had Dumbass Binger bring the tagged weapon into the office and file it as evidence -- something the Dumbass failed to do.
I swear, you can't make this shit up. Charge for the unlawful weapon DISMISSED because Wisconsin law doesn't prohibit even a 17 year old from having a rifle with a barrel 16" or longer and longer than 26". Duh.
Little wonder that the judge threw that charge out. Now we have Binger waving a weapon around in a courtroom with a finger on the trigger. Major fail.
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Little wonder that the judge threw that charge out. Now we have Binger waving a weapon around in a courtroom with a finger on the trigger. Major fail.
And yet - like all leftist scum - this guy almost certainly believes he's the smartest MF'er in the courtroom. :thatsright:
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And yet - like all leftist scum - this guy almost certainly believes he's the smartest MF'er in the courtroom. :thatsright:
Not that I give a damn about Wisconsin and who they elect as their DA, but I'm hoping they can read the tea leaves and throw the sumbitch out on his ear.
Stupidity like he's shown shouldn't be allowed to exist.
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Wow! What a day!
I watched as much of this today as I could. Barring an absolute miracle, my prediction of the verdict will be ...
GUILTY! :argh: Sad, sad!
Rittenhouse's chances of being acquitted are about the same as the fool Beto O'Rourke's, chances of becoming the Governor of Texas.
I fear that the members of the jury will be extremely intimidated into not letting him go.
Dearly hope that I am wrong ...
But doubt it!
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Dinesh DSouza
The jury should teach the prosecution, the media and the American Left a lesson by walking into the deliberation room, taking an immediate vote, and then acquitting Kyle Rittenhouse inside of 10 minutes. That would reverberate through American culture like an atomic bomb
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(https://i.postimg.cc/ZKK34nV7/Gun3.jpg)
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My best guess is days and days of deliberation resulting in a hung jury and a second trial. If he is acquitted that fascist Merrick Garland will charge him with federal civil rights charges.
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Not that I give a damn about Wisconsin and who they elect as their DA...
You should, because lefty is trying to set a precedent for denying the use of force against their hordes of thugs and rioters.
We're lucky to have such an incompetent enemy. We won't get lucky forever.
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lefty is trying to set a precedent for denying the use of force against their hordes of thugs and rioters.
:cheersmate:
Bingo. Hi5
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Wow! What a day!
I watched as much of this today as I could. Barring an absolute miracle, my prediction of the verdict will be ...
GUILTY! :argh: Sad, sad!
Rittenhouse's chances of being acquitted are about the same as the fool Beto O'Rourke's, chances of becoming the Governor of Texas.
I fear that the members of the jury will be extremely intimidated into not letting him go.
Dearly hope that I am wrong ...
But doubt it!
Curious as to what you saw. I've only seen snippets of the prosecutors closing statements, but everything I saw was showing him having to admit that KR was being chased and threatened. Not to mention from what I've read and seen it appears the prosecutor threw a whole bunch of outright lies out in his opening that were all proven to actually be lies.
Then the judge making the prosecutor admit the weapon KR was carrying was in fact, NOT illegal, in open court.
What have you seen that makes you think a reasonable person couldn't/wouldn't determine that KR was in fear for his life and acted accordingly, because as I understand it, that is the threshold in this case.
KC
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Wow! What a day!
I watched as much of this today as I could. Barring an absolute miracle, my prediction of the verdict will be ...
GUILTY! :argh: Sad, sad!
Rittenhouse's chances of being acquitted are about the same as the fool Beto O'Rourke's, chances of becoming the Governor of Texas.
I fear that the members of the jury will be extremely intimidated into not letting him go.
Dearly hope that I am wrong ...
But doubt it!
If that happens it will be overturned by the judge on a directed verdict. Both the facts and the law say Kyle was defending himself.
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You should, because lefty is trying to set a precedent for denying the use of force against their hordes of thugs and rioters.
We're lucky to have such an incompetent enemy. We won't get lucky forever.
So-called precedents set in Wisconsin don't necessarily travel to the rest of the country.
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If that happens it will be overturned by the judge on a directed verdict. Both the facts and the law say Kyle was defending himself.
The prosecution was so worried about not having a conviction on anything that they motioned for new, lesser charges, with a lower burden of proof.
From what I've read, that could be a problem for the defense.
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This is known as "pulling a Baldwin".
I feel like this perfectly sums up his performance in this trial. And that's what it was. A performance.
Played like someone who has never held a real gun in their life. Given recent events, if I was in the courtroom, I very well might have yelled "Everybody get down" and hit the floor myself just to draw attention to his foolishness. Even with no clip, one round hiding in the chamber is all it takes.
I've seen a few "cleared" guns that ran a zip tie though the chamber and the feed as a visual sign that the gun was safe, but I see no such signs here, and not positive if that could be done with an AR.
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Prosecutor Claims Rittenhouse Lost Right to Self-Defense by Bringing Gun
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/16/prosecutor-rittenhouse-self-defense-gun/
In other words:
You lose you right to self defense if you can actually defend yourself.
If a rioting mob of hooligans attacks you, it's your fault for being there.
It is a woman's fault if she is raped...
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Rekieta Law • 2h ago • 97,293 votes
Kyle Rittenhouse Verdict
Guilty
3%
Not Guilty
71%
Hung Jury
15%
Compromise Verdict - mix of G & NG
11%
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Curious as to what you saw. I've only seen snippets of the prosecutors closing statements, but everything I saw was showing him having to admit that KR was being chased and threatened. Not to mention from what I've read and seen it appears the prosecutor threw a whole bunch of outright lies out in his opening that were all proven to actually be lies.
Then the judge making the prosecutor admit the weapon KR was carrying was in fact, NOT illegal, in open court.
What have you seen that makes you think a reasonable person couldn't/wouldn't determine that KR was in fear for his life and acted accordingly, because as I understand it, that is the threshold in this case.
KC
My answer will surprise you.
The prosecutor made so many mistakes during the trial (many called out by the judge) that it is to laugh. But that didn't stop him. Yesterday, he showed that he knew nothing about how to handle guns, and pointed it at the jury ...
Giving them the feeling (loaded or not) of the fear of being in the crosshairs of a firearm. Point in favor of the defense.
He also made more mistakes/lies than that, but I will not bother to list them.
In fact, I think the defense put forth a very convincing job of showing KR's act of self-defense.
"What have you seen that makes you think a reasonable person couldn't/wouldn't determine that KR was in fear for his life and acted accordingly, because as I understand it, that is the threshold in this case."
That is my problem ...
I do not have faith that *all* members of any jury chosen, are reasonable individuals, and it only takes one to disagree.
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Played like someone who has never held a real gun in their life. Given recent events, if I was in the courtroom, I very well might have yelled "Everybody get down" and hit the floor myself just to draw attention to his foolishness. Even with no clip, one round hiding in the chamber is all it takes.
I've seen a few "cleared" guns that ran a zip tie though the chamber and the feed as a visual sign that the gun was safe, but I see no such signs here, and not positive if that could be done with an AR.
In the picture above I see no zip tie or anything else going through the chamber and out of the magazine well, AND the bolt is forward!
KC
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... I very well might have yelled "Everybody get down" and hit the floor myself just to draw attention to his foolishness.
Would that someone had! Back in ancient times (LBJ was POTUS) when I took a Hunter's Safety course one of the several basic safety rules I was taught was to always open the bolt or break open (e.g. a double-barrel shotgun) a gun before handing it to someone.
Binger & Kraus should be disbarred ... for stupidity and incompetence!
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Binger & Kraus should be disbarred ... for stupidity and incompetence!
And a litany of other things. Pointing the gun was just icing on the cake.
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My answer will surprise you.
The prosecutor made so many mistakes during the trial (many called out by the judge) that it is to laugh. But that didn't stop him. Yesterday, he showed that he knew nothing about how to handle guns, and pointed it at the jury ...
Giving them the feeling (loaded or not) of the fear of being in the crosshairs of a firearm. Point in favor of the defense.
He also made more mistakes/lies than that, but I will not bother to list them.
In fact, I think the defense put forth a very convincing job of showing KR's act of self-defense.
That is my problem ...
I do not have faith that *all* members of any jury chosen, are reasonable individuals, and it only takes one to disagree.
When you've done such a bad job of prosecuting your case you have to tell the jury that the defendant should have been willing to take an ass whupping, up to and including the point of being beaten to death, rather than pull the trigger ... I think you've messed up.
KC
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In the picture above I see no zip tie or anything else going through the chamber and out of the magazine well, AND the bolt is forward!
KC
Yep, and such devices are usually bright yellow or orange so they're visible. Binger also actually made the argument that Grosskreutz's having pointed his Glock at KR wasn't enough of a threat -- presumably because it was "only" a pistol. The level of stoopid in that guy is amazing.
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Yep, and such devices are usually bright yellow or orange so they're visible. Binger also actually made the argument that Grosskreutz's having pointed his Glock at KR wasn't enough of a threat -- presumably because it was "only" a pistol. The level of stoopid in that guy is amazing.
Yeah, the parts of the trial I actually got to watch, that guy was really hard to listen to. Condescending, making arguments that had no bearing, and as you just mentioned, making arguments that make no sense.
Then to basically say that no citizen has the right to 'take matters into their own hands' like ... running to help put out a fire because "you're not a fireman", Lord have mercy! I guess he doesn't think you should break up a fight between people because you're not a cop, or stop to help someone having a medical emergency, or put a bandaid on a cut, because you're not a paramedic.
These are the people who believe (and that is BELIEVE) the government is here to help and take care of you from cradle to grave! Scary stuff.
KC
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These are the people who believe (and that is BELIEVE) the government is here to help and take care of you from cradle to grave! Scary stuff.
KC
More than scary ...
This government is bound & determined to rid its citizens of all guns. Self-defense be damned!
:edit: Not to mention, what then, would become of our Second Amendment Rights? Hopefully none of us, our children/grandchildren will be around to have to deal with it!
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Yeah, the parts of the trial I actually got to watch, that guy was really hard to listen to. Condescending, making arguments that had no bearing, and as you just mentioned, making arguments that make no sense.
Then to basically say that no citizen has the right to 'take matters into their own hands' like ... running to help put out a fire because "you're not a fireman", Lord have mercy! I guess he doesn't think you should break up a fight between people because you're not a cop, or stop to help someone having a medical emergency, or put a bandaid on a cut, because you're not a paramedic.
These are the people who believe (and that is BELIEVE) the government is here to help and take care of you from cradle to grave! Scary stuff.
KC
Binger is the kind of scumbag that starts his phone to video a rape when it's occurring right in front of him. Never would give a thought to stopping it -- just record it.
Where do these f'n idiots come from? I just don't understand that mindset -- rather than stopping (or at least attempting to stop) a violent act, just record it. :whatever:
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Rumor, two jurors are holding out. They are afraid of being doxed by antifa/BLM.
the live feed is the judge reading Jeopardy questions to the jury.
Nuthin will happen tonight it seems.
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Judge in the court room.
They are taking a break for the evening and will be back at 9 tomorrow.
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Rumor, two jurors are holding out. They are afraid of being doxed by antifa/BLM.
the live feed is the judge reading Jeopardy questions to the jury.
Nuthin will happen tonight it seems.
This shit has to stop! If this is true this is what screws up the justice system. There are lots of legal decisions I’ve disagreed with over the years, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to subvert the Justice system by threatening jurors who saw things differently than I did. They were in the jury!
KC
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FT_XYgMoIk
Very Concerning Update From Kyle Rittenhouse Jury As Tempers Flare Outside!
11 minute video about the jury intimidation (antifa threat to dox)
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If they know the jurors won’t vote the way they want to, those jurors should be removed and replaced with an alternate.
This is bullshit.
KC
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The judge could also issue a mistrial with prejudice. That means Kyle cannot be tried on those charges again.
The mistrial would be based on jury tampering by antifa/BLM.
Further the guy who was caught filming the jury needs to be arrested.
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BREAKING: 'Jump Kick Man' who attacked Kyle Rittenhouse identified as violent career criminal
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-jump-kick-man-who-attacked-kyle-rittenhouse-identified-as-violent-career-criminal
The mysterious "Jump Kick Man" talked about during the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, the man that was labeled as the one that stomped Rittenhouse's head when he fell to the ground, has been identified as a Kenosha man with an extensive criminal history spanning decades.
Jump Kick Man was given the name during the second incident on August 25, 2020 that led to Rittenhouse fatally shooting Anthony Huber and wounding Gaige Grosskreutz. While running from a crowd of people, Rittenhouse tripped and fell. During this moment, Jump Kick Man allegedly ran up and stomped on the then 17-year-old's head.
Rittenhouse fired two shots at the man, but missed. It was after these shots that Huber reportedly hit Rittenhouse in the head with his skateboard. Rittenhouse fired a single shot that killed Huber. Following that, Grosskreutz reportedly approached Rittenhouse with his hands up. When Rittenhouse looked away for a second, Grosskreutz pulled out a handgun and pointed it at the teen. That was when Rittenhouse shot Grosskreutz.
The Dan O'Donnell Show has revealed that Jump Kick Man is a 40-year-old black male from Kenosha, Wisconsin. His name has been withheld "as he has not been criminally charged in connection with the Rittenhouse case," according to the radio show host.
He has not been charged yet.
According to O'Donnell, "At this point, Jump Kick Man had been sentenced to probation in three different cases and violated the terms of that probation every single time. Still, a judge last June sentenced him to probation yet again...and yet again he violated the terms of that probation earlier this year."
"He likely should have been in jail, though, and was not only because he received yet another break from the Kenosha County criminal justice system. In a very real sense, this break may have indirectly led to the death of Anthony Huber and shooting of Gaige Grosskreutz," he added.
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Rumor, two jurors are holding out. They are afraid of being doxed by antifa/BLM.
the live feed is the judge reading Jeopardy questions to the jury.
Nuthin will happen tonight it seems.
Rats! Once again can not access all that you posted! :argh:
"They are afraid of being doxed by antifa/BLM."
That is exactly the point to which I was referring, in my post #87, on page #4 above re being intimidated.
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https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1460776210770841605
Leftist protesters have signs calling convicted child sex offender Joseph Rosenbaum & convicted domestic abuser Anthony Huber, “heroes” outside the courthouse in #Kenosha.
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Rumor, two jurors are holding out. They are afraid of being doxed by antifa/BLM.
the live feed is the judge reading Jeopardy questions to the jury.
Nuthin will happen tonight it seems.
That could be grounds for appeal if Kyle Rittenhouse is found guilty. They should of kept the jurors' identity completely secret. I know that is happened with other cases.
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Well, I wasn't expecting anything more until the morning, but...
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460816537812668425
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Motion to dismiss with prejudice has been filed.
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Well, I wasn't expecting anything more until the morning, but...
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460816537812668425
Wow. That prosecutor should be punished. The dude is a total ass and it looks like he was willing to do anything, including lying and cheating, to get what he wanted.
KC
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The video they withheld:
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1460817948596183044
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Steven Crowder
We need a society where those who dare to assault, loot and burn… live in greater fear than those who don’t.
https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/1460958528064139265
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The jury is deliberating the case and the defense just now submits a motion for a mistrial with prejudice?
Seems kinda backasswards to me. Besides, after Binger was reprimanded at least twice for his antics, the defense announced at that time that they would file or were going to file a motion for mistrial with prejudice, whereupon the judge said he'd take it under advisement.
What happens if the jury comes back with a verdict and the judge hasn't responded to the motion? Is the verdict heard? What happens if the jury finds him guilty on one or more charges? Does that vacate the defense motion?
:shrug:
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Judgment non obstante veredicto (JNOV) is a ruling by the judge to set aside a guilty verdict by a jury. The prosecution can appeal this ruling. The judge cannot set aside a not guilty verdict.
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The jury is deliberating the case and the defense just now submits a motion for a mistrial with prejudice?
Seems kinda backasswards to me. Besides, after Binger was reprimanded at least twice for his antics, the defense announced at that time that they would file or were going to file a motion for mistrial with prejudice, whereupon the judge said he'd take it under advisement.
What happens if the jury comes back with a verdict and the judge hasn't responded to the motion? Is the verdict heard? What happens if the jury finds him guilty on one or more charges? Does that vacate the defense motion?
:shrug:
The way I understand it is that there have been two motions filed. One was last week after the prosecutor attacked Rittenhouse's 5th amendment rights and then filed another one after the prosecution turned over the higher quality video.
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They are stopping for the night.
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They are stopping for the night.
Hung jury or guilty is most likely now, IMO.
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Interesting read, though lengthy. Title of article: About Those Claims That a U.S. Marshal Said Two Rittenhouse Jurors Are Holding Up Verdict Due to Backlash, Doxxing Fears
As jury deliberations in the Kyle Rittenhouse murder trial continued into the early evening Tuesday, speculation about whether the “lengthy” deliberations were better for the defense or the prosecution, about whether the jurors would be able to truly vote their conscience because of the publicity around the case, about whether the jurors would be adequately protected from those unhappy with the verdict after the case adjourned, and about what exactly was happening in the courtroom (since cameras weren’t on all day as they had been during testimony) reached fever pitch.
A series of tweets Tuesday evening about what was supposedly happening during jury deliberations from Jack Posobiec of Human Events was especially troubling. Citing an unnamed U.S. Marshal in Kenosha, Posobiec said that:
Two jurors are holding up the verdict, “outright citing backlash”
The two jurors are “worried about media leaking their names, what will happen to their families, jobs, etc”
The jurors are specifically afraid of “‘doxxing threats by anarchist groups'”
If some or all of the jurors are struggling with voting their conscience because of potential backlash and doxxing threats, while understandable, that’s a major problem and the judge has a duty to address that with the jurors and excuse them from the case if they aren’t able to set that fear aside and render a verdict based only upon the evidence they’ve heard in the courtroom. If that happened, and if more than six of them are unable to uphold their oath (since there are six alternates who could be seated), Judge Schroeder would be forced to declare a mistrial.
In my opinion and based on my experience as a court stenographer in more than 1,000 criminal trials – including multiple live-streamed, high profile murder cases – what Posobiec is saying could not have happened the way he tweeted it did, and if some version of what he’s reporting happened, there will be a few people hauled in front of Judge Schroeder tomorrow morning and the case could possibly end in a mistrial.
More at the link.
RedState (https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2021/11/17/about-those-claims-that-a-u-s-marshal-said-two-rittenhouse-jurors-are-holding-up-verdict-due-to-backlash-doxxing-fears-n477072?utm_source=rsafternoonbriefing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=67b03d566e10566cd45428f8d91bb9b461ecd0416a82cbe143269bd22e41afec)
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They are stopping for the night.
And ... are being sent home.
Why aren't they SEQUESTERED?!!! This is such an important case for this, or any other defendant facing such dire consequences.
I do not for one minute, believe that they would not be influenced by what family & friends have to say about the case ...
And God help Kyle, if any of them should be of the Liberal persuasion, who religiously tune into CNN, ABC, NBC, etc. for their news coverage! :argh:
My 2 cents for what it's worth anyway!
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Latest rumor from the Twitts:
Judge was hoping for a quick acquittal but the holdouts didn’t want the media backlash
Now the holdouts want an acquittal hut the judge doesn’t want the media backlash
Everyone wants to pass the buck
And an 18-year-old’s life hangs in the balance
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1461062086625275908
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And ... are being sent home.
Why aren't they SEQUESTERED?!!! This is such an important case for this, or any other defendant facing such dire consequences.
I do not for one minute, believe that they would not be influenced by what family & friends have to say about the case ...
And God help Kyle, if any of them should be of the Liberal persuasion, who religiously tune into CNN, ABC, NBC, etc. for their news coverage! :argh:
My 2 cents for what it's worth anyway!
In a normal world where rational thought rules the day, I'd expect the jury being sent home means the judge is about to rule in favor of one of the mistrial motions. In the Dim'Rat run proggy shithole which obtains in Kenosha however, your guess is as good as mine.
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I was holding out for acquittal, but it looks like one or two DUmmies got on the jury. I will accept a hung jury and a mistrial.
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Title of article: Stuck Rittenhouse Jurors Ask to See Hocus Pocus Out of Focus 'Provocation' Video and All Hell May Break Loose
Interesting take - trial watchers believe that the jury foreman (a woman) is the holdout. Her request to see video (the fuzzy video and the FBI drone footage) is at the link.
Further interesting information about Ziminski, who allegedly helped Rosenbaum corral KR and who - without doubt - discharged his own firearm behind KR. Ziminski did not testify, and the article's author believe that's a major error on part of the defense. Ziminski is also being charged on other riot-related crimes and his wife is reportedly in prison. Prosecutor is Binger, of course. Binger's a busy guy, eh?
This is a good article, well worth the read.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/11/18/stuck-rittenhouse-jurors-ask-to-see-hocus-pocus-out-of-focus-provocation-video-and-all-hell-may-break-loose-n1534309
(https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/11/18/stuck-rittenhouse-jurors-ask-to-see-hocus-pocus-out-of-focus-provocation-video-and-all-hell-may-break-loose-n1534309)
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I can't make out $#!+ from either of these videos. Can anyone say:
Reasonable Doubt?
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I can't make out $#!+ from either of these videos. Can anyone say:
Reasonable Doubt?
Not only that (ostensibly, the out-of-focus video doesn't clearly show whether or not KR pointed his rifle at Rosenbaum whereas the more clear video does show clearly that KR did not), but the software marking on the prosecution's video (the more clear version) says "Handbrake".
From the article:
Interestingly, a photo purportedly of ADA Kraus’ laptop screen being projected onto the large 4k TV screen in the courtroom shows the presence of an imaging software named Handbrake. I lack any technical expertise or experience with Handbrake software, but apparently, a core purpose is to generate low-definition versions of high-definition videos. This has led to speculation that the provision of the low-resolution video to the defense was not an accident at all, but rather an intentional act of the prosecution. If so, this would be prosecutorial misconduct sufficiently grievous to not only warrant a mistrial with prejudice but certainly misconduct perhaps even malicious prosecution charges.
If any of this is true, game over for the prosecution.
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Not only that (ostensibly, the out-of-focus video doesn't clearly show whether or not KR pointed his rifle at Rosenbaum whereas the more clear video does show clearly that KR did not), but the software marking on the prosecution's video (the more clear version) says "Handbrake".
SKIP
If any of this is true, game over for the prosecution.
Oh please let it be true!!!
Found a youtube of how to use Handbrake ... Is 9 minutes long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLiQPqHRA-s
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Jack Posobiec just re-tweeted someone saying the verdict is in, and will be announced soon.
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Bill Clinton used to say: "If they don't have pictures just lie your ass off." Apparently that is now obsolete.
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Verdict ...
NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!
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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/11/19/verdict-jury-decides-if-kyle-rittenhouse-will-spend-the-rest-of-his-life-locked-in-a-cage-n1533609 (https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/11/19/verdict-jury-decides-if-kyle-rittenhouse-will-spend-the-rest-of-his-life-locked-in-a-cage-n1533609)
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NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS! There is hope left for America.
Thank God. Guys if you are religious like me and was praying all this time...keep praying. This time for protection for Kyle, the jurors, and the judge.
Amen.
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"We tangled. They lost."
-Brig. Gen. Robin Olds.
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"We tangled. They lost."
-Brig. Gen. Robin Olds.
absolutely. If Rittenhouse's young body could have, he should have been sporting a bulletproof mustache ala (then) Colonel Robin Olds during the trial to upset the prosecution even more...
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Yes, this is an actual headline posted after the verdict: 3 black men shot...
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Senator Ted Cruz
This acquittal isn’t just about Kyle Rittenhouse. This verdict reiterates that every American has the God-given right to self-defense and the protections of the Second Amendment. The corrupt corporate media should be appalled by their coverage of this case from start to finish.
SUE the media, Kyle. The Left will never let you work. Might as well be rich.
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Dinesh D'Souza
The Left is apoplectic because it failed in a highly public attempt to demonstrate its power. The Left deployed the terrifying power of the state and the media to convict a completely innocent political opponent. Today the jury said, “No. Not this time. Enough.”
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:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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Five individual thumbs-up for common sense. :cheersmate:
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Apart from the DU forum and the threads contained within (a place I don't frequent), I gotta say this particular thread - at 7 pages - is one of the lengthiest threads in some time.
Well done, all! :rotf:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVKIo1i8smM
Video of the verdict. Amen
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Jerry Nadler Wants to Sic the DOJ on Rittenhouse Following Acquittal
Nadless Nadler apparently isn't satisfied with the verdict. He's still looking for his 15 minutes of fame, yet can't reach it because his pants are belted up around his lower neck. Asshat.
Probably won't go anywhere since #SharterJoe woke up from his coma and made a statement on the verdict to the effect that "the jury has spoken."
House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) called the acquittal of Kyle Rittenhouse “heartbreaking” and said that it sets a “dangerous precedent.” He’s now calling on the Department of Justice to review the verdict.
“This heartbreaking verdict is a miscarriage of justice and sets a dangerous precedent which justifies federal review by DOJ,” Nadler tweeted. “Justice cannot tolerate armed persons crossing state lines looking for trouble while people engage in First Amendment-protected protest.”
Rittenhouse did not cross state lines with an AR-15, but was, in fact, provided with the weapon earlier in the day.
Looting and rioting are also not protected by the First Amendment.
It is not clear whether the DOJ would actually do a federal review of the case. Joe Biden, for his part, said he “[stands] by what the jury has concluded,” and “the jury system works and we have to abide by it.”
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/11/19/jerry-nadler-wants-to-sic-the-doj-on-rittenhouse-following-acquittal-n1534699?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=onsite&utm_campaign=582 (https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/11/19/jerry-nadler-wants-to-sic-the-doj-on-rittenhouse-following-acquittal-n1534699?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=onsite&utm_campaign=582)
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Wouldn't be the first time Joe and his team go off in opposite directions.
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Title of article: Stuck Rittenhouse Jurors Ask to See Hocus Pocus Out of Focus 'Provocation' Video and All Hell May Break Loose
Interesting take - trial watchers believe that the jury foreman (a woman) is the holdout. Her request to see video (the fuzzy video and the FBI drone footage) is at the link.
Further interesting information about Ziminski, who allegedly helped Rosenbaum corral KR and who - without doubt - discharged his own firearm behind KR. Ziminski did not testify, and the article's author believe that's a major error on part of the defense. Ziminski is also being charged on other riot-related crimes and his wife is reportedly in prison. Prosecutor is Binger, of course. Binger's a busy guy, eh?
This is a good article, well worth the read.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/11/18/stuck-rittenhouse-jurors-ask-to-see-hocus-pocus-out-of-focus-provocation-video-and-all-hell-may-break-loose-n1534309
(https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/11/18/stuck-rittenhouse-jurors-ask-to-see-hocus-pocus-out-of-focus-provocation-video-and-all-hell-may-break-loose-n1534309)
Joshua Ziminski is a career criminal. He has a trial for arson and domestic violence.
Joshua Ziminski: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
https://heavy.com/news/joshua-ziminski/
In January 2021, Ziminski was charged with felony arson, disorderly conduct with a dangerous weapon and obstructing an officer. Thomas Binger, the Rittenhouse prosecutor, is handling the case. His address was given as Racine, Wisconsin. The arson relates to a dumpster fire that Rosenbaum was also around that night, the Journal Times reported. In opening statements, Rittenhouse’s lawyer said Ziminski and Rosenbaum lit the arson fire together, but it’s not clear how well they knew each other. Kelly Ziminski was accused of throwing lighter fluid on it, according to the Journal Times.
Joshua Ziminski’s case is set for jury selection in January 2022. Cash bond was set at $1,000.
He got a lengthy rap sheet.
Joshua Ziminski has an open case out of Racine from June 2020 for misdemeanor battery and disorderly conduct, domestic abuse related, according to court records. A trial is scheduled for December 2021.
A 2020 child support action filed by the state against both parents was dismissed when it was determined that “parties are back together and in the same household.” Another child support action was filed in 2019. There was a paternity action against him in 2016, court records also show.
In 2016, he was found guilty of hit and run in Kenosha, a misdemeanor, according to court records.
He was also subject to a divorce action filed by his previous wife in 2014, court records show. Child custody issues have kept that case active as recently as October 2021. In 2019, court records said, “Mr. Ziminski is self employed. Finding of income for Mr. Ziminski = $1099 GMI (imputed minimum wage).”
Photos on Facebook said they got married in 2014.
In 2005, he was found guilty of marijuana possession and operating while revoked as a habitual offender, court records show. He has a slew of traffic cases.
In 2002, he was charged with robbery with use of force, a felony, but the case was reduced to misdemeanor disorderly conduct, according to court records. He was living in Racine, Wisconsin, at the time.
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R A W S A L E R T S
@rawsalerts
🚨#BREAKING: Multiple Protests Planned across the United States
📌#Unitedstates l #USA
Multiple Protests are being Planned In Kenosha wisconsin, Chicago IL, New York City, Portland Washington DC,Philadelphia and Los Angeles Following The Verdict In The Kyle Rittenhouse Trial.
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https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1461792192318554115
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NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS! There is hope left for America.
Thank God. Guys if you are religious like me and was praying all this time...keep praying. This time for protection for Kyle, the jurors, and the judge.
Amen.
Good idea. I have been praying for Kyle all along, cursing out the prosecution ...
But you are correct, now Kyle, the members of the jury & the judge, need protection because of the verdict.
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Five individual thumbs-up for common sense. :cheersmate:
And a sixth for the judge for dismissing that bogus weapons charge.
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Jerry Nadler Wants to Sic the DOJ on Rittenhouse Following Acquittal
Nadless Nadler apparently isn't satisfied with the verdict. He's still looking for his 15 minutes of fame, yet can't reach it because his pants are belted up around his lower neck. Asshat.
Probably won't go anywhere since #SharterJoe woke up from his coma and made a statement on the verdict to the effect that "the jury has spoken."
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/11/19/jerry-nadler-wants-to-sic-the-doj-on-rittenhouse-following-acquittal-n1534699?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=onsite&utm_campaign=582 (https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/11/19/jerry-nadler-wants-to-sic-the-doj-on-rittenhouse-following-acquittal-n1534699?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=onsite&utm_campaign=582)
Yes, he did, but also, the bastard just had to add ...
"Like many Americans, (he) feels “angry and concerned” about the verdict," :argh:
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Dinesh D'Souza
The Left is apoplectic because it failed in a highly public attempt to demonstrate its power. The Left deployed the terrifying power of the state and the media to convict a completely innocent political opponent. Today the jury said, “No. Not this time. Enough.”
Stalin and his Chekists-in-Chief understood that defendants need to be properly "prepared" before holding show trials.
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Mercy! Thank you! Thank you!
Missed most of Tucker tonight, Mr. ABC & I were on the phone to our son.
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Scootercaster
@ScooterCasterNY
#HappeningNow crowd of protesters gathered in Barclay's New York to protest the decision in Kyle Rittenhouse trial.
#RittenhouseTrial
Video by NewYorkCityPeople (FreedomNewsTV)
https://twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1461862900490981377
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https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1461875667893641217
A far-left group is fundraising money on @VenmoSupport
to distribute funds to people who are mobilizing to #Kenosha. Like last year, crowdfunding on @VenmoSupport
& @CashSupport
was used to pay or help people who went to BLM-Antifa riots. #Rittenhouse
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I'm no lawyer, but I'd say that KR holding interviews is not a good idea. I can well imagine that there will be civil charges levied against him and any statement he makes could be used to paint him as a murderous thug. We've seen how the leftist media has lied about KR from the get-go.
Makes for great ratings for Tucker, and it could end up well financially for KR since he'll likely have to keep lawyers on retainer, but staying under the radar might be the wisest approach.
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I don't know how the folks at The Babylon Bee manage to do it in the face of satire-resistant reality, but this is perfect:
Rittenhouse, Sandmann Agree To Share Joint Custody Of CNN
https://babylonbee.com/news/rittenhouse-sandmann-agree-to-share-joint-custody-of-cnn (https://babylonbee.com/news/rittenhouse-sandmann-agree-to-share-joint-custody-of-cnn)
ATLANTA, GA—With Rittenhouse found "not guilty", media outlets across the country are preparing for costly defamation lawsuits after a year of calling him a white supremacist.
With CNN already half-owned by Nick Sandmann, the famous fake news organization will soon be giving the other half of its ownership over to Kyle Rittenhouse. The two have agreed to share joint custody.
"We would like to announce that our clients have come to an agreement to share custody of CNN," said Sandman and Rittenhouse's legal teams. "Sandmann will have custody on weekdays, with custody transferring over to Rittenhouse on holidays and weekends."
:rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao: :rotf:
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:lol:
Stellar!
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:lol:
Stellar!
"UBER" Stellar!!! :)
My step-father is German, & I know what that word most commonly, means.
Love it, Babylon Bee guys!!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW9YR5OyTa8
Ballad of The Kenosha Kid
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https://hide5politics.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23004&sid=fd6bc4ee6446497a1214cd0427f35d5a
Collection of Kenosha memes posted by sterling members of our own community.
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https://hide5politics.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23004&sid=fd6bc4ee6446497a1214cd0427f35d5a
Collection of Kenosha memes posted by sterling members of our own community.
There are some classics there
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Dinesh D'Souza
All three thugs in the #Rittenhouse case are criminals, ranging from domestic abuse to pedophilic rape. This is a window into #Antifa, a criminal gang that’s now the paramilitary arm of the Left. No wonder the media tried so hard to nail Rittenhouse and protect its gangsters
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW9YR5OyTa8
Ballad of The Kenosha Kid
Rats! Can't get that!!! :argh:
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https://hide5politics.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23004&sid=fd6bc4ee6446497a1214cd0427f35d5a
Collection of Kenosha memes posted by sterling members of our own community.
Got that one and laughed out so loud it scared the cat! :lmao:
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Dinesh D'Souza
Career path for #KyleRittenhouse: 1. Intern for @mattgaetz
2. Run for state rep in Wisconsin 3. Run for Congress when he turns 25. What a way to turn his notoriety, created by the Left, into a nightmare for the Left. Success is the best revenge!
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https://twitter.com/DefNotDarth/status/1461792958815027205
TheQuartering Retweeted
D a r t h C r y p t o (Kyle is FREE)
Kyle’s Law:
- Ban political prosecutions
- Empower citizens when local governments abdicate duties to protect
- Change libel laws, prevent media politically based defamation & jury pool tampering
- Standardize self defense laws
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NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS! There is hope left for America.
Thank God. Guys if you are religious like me and was praying all this time...keep praying. This time for protection for Kyle, the jurors, and the judge.
Amen.
Good words and I agree completely. If you can, pray some for me too.
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Good words and I agree completely. If you can, pray some for me too.
Particular prayer, or general?
KC
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Good words and I agree completely. If you can, pray some for me too.
Prayers sent upwards for you. I don't know the specifics but God does. Amen!
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Prayers sent upwards for you. I don't know the specifics but God does. Amen!
Thanks
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Now this is a genuine smile. Evidence of sweet release. I think it is a good ending post for this thread. God bless this young man. Be at peace, Kyle.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y2R9mVr2/sweet.jpg)
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BLM disses Kyle Rittenhouse after he says he supports movement: 'I don't f--- with you'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/blm-disses-kyle-rittenhouse-supports-movement
Black Lives Matter (BLM) distanced themselves from Kyle Rittenhouse on Monday after he expressed support for the movement.
The group linked to an article about Rittenhouse's interview with Fox News' Tucker Carlson. In it, Rittenhouse said: "I'm not a racist person. I support the BLM movement. I support peacefully demonstrating."
In response, BLM tweeted "Alexa play: I don't f--k with you," and a gif with the acronym "IDFWU." It was referencing the Big Sean song carrying that title.
Kyle Rittenhouse said, "I'm not a racist person. I support the BLM movement. I support peacefully demonstrating."
BLM responds, "Alexa play: I don't f--k with you."
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BLM disses Kyle Rittenhouse after he says he supports movement: 'I don't f--- with you'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/blm-disses-kyle-rittenhouse-supports-movement
Kyle Rittenhouse said, "I'm not a racist person. I support the BLM movement. I support peacefully demonstrating."
BLM responds, "Alexa play: I don't f--k with you."
Haters gonna hate. All the same, NOTHING that KR says will placate the left. His best bet is just to keep his mouth shut until the civil lawsuits (that are coming) are settled.
He's young, idealistic perhaps, relieved, and glad it's over.
Except it ain't, Kyle. Get a grip, shut your mouth, and go on with your life. Deal with the coming civil lawsuits as you must. Seize opportunities to better yourself, but stay the hell out of the public eye.
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‘I’ll Be There In The Spring!’: Rittenhouse Says Protests To Get Him Booted From ASU Have Failed
https://www.dailywire.com/news/ill-be-there-in-the-spring-rittenhouse-says-protests-to-get-him-booted-from-asu-have-failed
Attempts from far-left activists and students to get Kyle Rittenhouse booted from Arizona State University have failed, the teenager revealed Monday during an appearance on Blaze TV’s “You Are Here.”
Asked about what schools he’s looking at for college, Rittenhouse enthusiastically responded, “ASU, Arizona State University — I’ll be there in the spring!”
“Weren’t there people protesting that?” Blaze Media’s Sara Gonzales asked the 18-year-old.
“Yeah, but they failed,” Rittenhouse responded.
Kyle Rittenhouse has not been kicked out of ASU. He is not on campus.
Officials at Arizona State University said last week that Rittenhouse “was not currently enrolled at the university, though he was taking online classes, as activists called for his removal from the school,” The Daily Wire reported.
“Kyle Rittenhouse has not gone through the admissions process with Arizona State University and is not enrolled in the Edson College of Nursing and Health Innovation,” the school said. “ASU can confirm that Mr. Rittenhouse enrolled as a non-degree seeking ASU Online student for the session that started Oct. 13, 2021, which allows students access to begin taking classes as they prepare to seek admission into a degree program at the university.”
In a follow-up statement, ASU said Rittenhouse was not enrolled as a student at ASU: “Kyle Rittenhouse has not gone through the ASU admissions process. Our records show that he is not currently enrolled in any classes at ASU.”
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If he actually moves to Tempe I hope he's prepared for very warm weather. Even if he heads home for the summer, May and September are HOT.
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Kyle Rittenhouse launching initiative to combat 'lies' from powerful media outlets, names those he may sue
https://www.foxnews.com/media/kyle-rittenhouse-media-accountability-project
Kyle Rittenhouse, the 18-year-old who was found not guilty of the killing of two people during the 2020 Kenosha riots, is launching a new initiative to combat powerful news organizations for the "lies" they spew.
"Me and my team have decided to launch The Media Accountability Project as a tool to help fundraise and hold the media accountable for the lies they said and deal with them in court," Rittenhouse said on Monday's "Tucker Carlson Tonight."
"I don't want to see anybody else have to deal with what I went through. So I want to hold them accountable for what they did to me, because I don't want to see anybody have to go through what I went through," Rittenhouse told Fox News' Tucker Carlson.
Kyle Rittenhouse is planning to sue the news media.
"Well, right now, we're looking at quite a few politicians, celebrities, athletes, Whoopi Goldberg's on the list," Rittenhouse said. "She called me a ‘murderer’ after I was acquitted by a jury of my peers. She went on to still say that."
He also name-dropped The Young Turks founder Cenk Uygur, who called Rittenhouse a "murderer" before the trial and "continues to call me a 'murderer.'"
"We're going to hold everybody who lied about me accountable, such as everybody who lied called me a White supremacist," Rittenhouse said. "They're all going to be held accountable. And we're going to handle them in a courtroom."
ABC News nor The Young Turks immediately responded to Fox News' requests for comment.
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I hope he is successful in suing the ass off of all the media and individuals who slandered him. But most of all joy reid, I would sue her for everything she owns including the shirt off her back, then put it all in a a pile and burn it! :thatsright:
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IMHO, Rittenhouse should just go about his life and stop pretending to be bigger than he is.
If he wants to sue, fine, but he doesn't have to make a production out of it. He might want to prepare himself for the possible civil lawsuits that are coming his way -- wrongful death of those two jackoffs.
That said, this analysis by an attorney explains the concept of "self-defense immunity" and how that does not apply to KR. He explains how that legal concept "self-defense immunity" is a common enough part of state law, but it's buried under related WI law. Gets into the weeds a bit on all that. But he goes into a fair amount of detail on the LIKELIHOOD (low) that the families of the two dead jackoffs and Grosskreutz (the moron with the vaporized bicep) would go after KR in a civil suit. He also explains how KR could counter-sue if the two dead jackoff's families sue. All per Wisconsin law.
The article was dated last November, and the attorney says he's not aware of any civil suits against KR.
All the same, KR would do well to just STFU and get on with his life. He's starting to sound like a smug little pimp.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-can-kyle-avoid-being-sued-under-wi-self-defense-immunity-law/
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IMHO, Rittenhouse should just go about his life and stop pretending to be bigger than he is.
If he wants to sue, fine, but he doesn't have to make a production out of it. He might want to prepare himself for the possible civil lawsuits that are coming his way -- wrongful death of those two jackoffs.
That said, this analysis by an attorney explains the concept of "self-defense immunity" and how that does not apply to KR. He explains how that legal concept "self-defense immunity" is a common enough part of state law, but it's buried under related WI law. Gets into the weeds a bit on all that. But he goes into a fair amount of detail on the LIKELIHOOD (low) that the families of the two dead jackoffs and Grosskreutz (the moron with the vaporized bicep) would go after KR in a civil suit. He also explains how KR could counter-sue if the two dead jackoff's families sue. All per Wisconsin law.
The article was dated last November, and the attorney says he's not aware of any civil suits against KR.
All the same, KR would do well to just STFU and get on with his life. He's starting to sound like a smug little pimp.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-can-kyle-avoid-being-sued-under-wi-self-defense-immunity-law/
Agreed, he should probably emulate Nick Sandman and just do this quietly.
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IMHO, Rittenhouse should just go about his life and stop pretending to be bigger than he is.
If he wants to sue, fine, but he doesn't have to make a production out of it. He might want to prepare himself for the possible civil lawsuits that are coming his way -- wrongful death of those two jackoffs.
That said, this analysis by an attorney explains the concept of "self-defense immunity" and how that does not apply to KR. He explains how that legal concept "self-defense immunity" is a common enough part of state law, but it's buried under related WI law. Gets into the weeds a bit on all that. But he goes into a fair amount of detail on the LIKELIHOOD (low) that the families of the two dead jackoffs and Grosskreutz (the moron with the vaporized bicep) would go after KR in a civil suit. He also explains how KR could counter-sue if the two dead jackoff's families sue. All per Wisconsin law.
The article was dated last November, and the attorney says he's not aware of any civil suits against KR.
All the same, KR would do well to just STFU and get on with his life. He's starting to sound like a smug little pimp.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-can-kyle-avoid-being-sued-under-wi-self-defense-immunity-law/
It could very well be this is what he really wants to do. God knows it needs doing.