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Re: primitives discuss poverty
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2014, 04:10:55 PM »
Is that 116 million taxpayers or 116 million working? If it's working, then only about half pay "income taxes" so that number becomes 58 million supporting the government and free loaders....uh....the entitled.
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« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2014, 04:56:44 PM »
Is that 116 million taxpayers or 116 million working? If it's working, then only about half pay "income taxes" so that number becomes 58 million supporting the government and free loaders....uh....the entitled.

Good catch.

I'm going to make the assumption that they are including those paying into social security. 







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Re: primitives discuss poverty
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2014, 07:27:57 PM »
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5. I was never unsympathetic, but until it happened to me, I didn't truly understand.

The article nails it squarely on the head!

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Re: primitives discuss poverty
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2014, 06:49:37 AM »
I guess this is as good a place as any to put this. 

I get the mail for our company every day, since it contains lots of checks.  Our PO Box is XX, say, and I got a letter to a Jane Something at PO Box XX-B.  It was from the EBT division in Albany.  Doesn't belong to us, so I gave it to the front counter.  "Oh bad address, nothing to do but send it back."  He scrawled IA on it, and dumped it in a bin. 

The next day I got another letter, from another govt agency, with the same XX-B.  The same the next day.  All go back into the system. 

Now when these letters go back to the blackhole in Albany, what do you picture happening to them?  A compassionate and caring bureaucrat attempting to contact this woman, somehow, who's three hours away?  Tirelessly hunting her down to sort all this out and make sure she gets her freebies?   

That's the danger of letting yourself become dependent on the government.  It's all out of your control, and you can easily end up in Shit Crick.

I'll tell you now--there's no way that, in Albany, they'll try to find the correct address.  They'll wait until the person on the envelopes actually goes and changes it for themselves.

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Re: primitives discuss poverty
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2014, 08:14:22 AM »
Why on earth are you allowing your grandkids to go hungry? What kind of grandparent does that?

Don't you know how to shop for and prepare nutritious foods?

Feeding your grandkids is not the responsibility of rick.

What got me about this is she's mad at some general 'we' that her grandkids go hungry--where exactly are their parents; you know the ones who brought them into this world and should be providing such basic things? Seems like she's angry at all the wrong people, but his/her coddling of the children's parents and their issues are probably the reason why the grandkid continues to go 'hungry'.

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« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2014, 08:15:07 AM »
In other words they buy what they are allowed to with public money but when that runs out and they have to spring for it all the parents buy is junk or fast food.

Or nothing at all since apparently it's not their responsibility at any point to feed their own damn kids. Jesus! Pathetic!

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« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2014, 08:23:47 AM »
Does one look upon a newly discovered tick or flea with pity and compassion? Of course not. Personally, if I see an EBT card pop out in front of me at the check out line, I try to make my disgust as pointed as possible.  The expression has about the same as effect as it does on the tick, but hopefully it'll one day make the parasitic user realize it's order in life.

That's not a good policy either. I do know of folks who have used EBT(the food portion) temporarily going through transitional times in life: divorce, death in the family, and job loss. The majority used it on a very temporary basis and some even stopped receiving services BEFORE they were no longer qualified and not BECAUSE they were no longer qualified ie they don't ride the train to the end just because they can.

However, I have found you can usually distinguish between the part timers above and the life longers. The part timers usually have enough discretion because they do not like using EBT to be very discreet about paying for the items and actually look forward to the time they no longer need the crutch. the lifetime recipients treat it like its any other form of payment and swing that bitch out for all to see. I guess my point is the part timers do a good job of shaming themselves; the lifetimers, not so much and you shaming them probably isn't going to change their minds since they already think they are entitled to it so the only people you will end up shaming is the ones who already are uncomfortable that they have to use that crutch for a while and well they are the ones it actually WAS intended to help and who have no intention of abusing the charity they receive. the other section isn't going to be solved without a bit of cultural upheaval and change. You can't make the lifetimers without a conscience acquiesce to your opinion of them--they simply do not care and I've seen that one played out too many times to know it.

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« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2014, 08:50:02 AM »
I don't know about y'all but my grandparents wouldn't have let us go hungry. ....and as old and feeble as he was, my granddaddy would have been kicking some ass. He would have dealt with the end that got the most/best results. My grandmother, kind gentle soul that she was, would have gotten out the BEN-GAY and rubbed granddaddy's sore kicking leg. :-)

I'm southern and down here it used to be that weren't grown until your daddy couldn't kick your ass any more for doing wrong or he died.
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Re: primitives discuss poverty
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2014, 02:03:05 PM »
What got me about this is she's mad at some general 'we' that her grandkids go hungry--where exactly are their parents; you know the ones who brought them into this world and should be providing such basic things?

The average monthly allotment per person on food stamps is around $130.  If it's a single parent with two kids that's close to $400 mo. 

It takes a little creative food planning and wise shopping, but there is no excuse that there can't be enough food to last a month.










 

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Re: primitives discuss poverty
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2014, 03:01:28 PM »
It takes a little creative food planning and wise shopping, but there is no excuse that there can't be enough food to last a month.

DUmmies buy "organic", so the food run out after two weeks.

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Re: primitives discuss poverty
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2014, 03:57:57 PM »
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Re: primitives discuss poverty
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2014, 08:11:44 PM »
That's not a good policy either. I do know of folks who have used EBT(the food portion) temporarily going through transitional times in life: divorce, death in the family, and job loss. The majority used it on a very temporary basis and some even stopped receiving services BEFORE they were no longer qualified and not BECAUSE they were no longer qualified ie they don't ride the train to the end just because they can.

However, I have found you can usually distinguish between the part timers above and the life longers. The part timers usually have enough discretion because they do not like using EBT to be very discreet about paying for the items and actually look forward to the time they no longer need the crutch. the lifetime recipients treat it like its any other form of payment and swing that bitch out for all to see. I guess my point is the part timers do a good job of shaming themselves; the lifetimers, not so much and you shaming them probably isn't going to change their minds since they already think they are entitled to it so the only people you will end up shaming is the ones who already are uncomfortable that they have to use that crutch for a while and well they are the ones it actually WAS intended to help and who have no intention of abusing the charity they receive. the other section isn't going to be solved without a bit of cultural upheaval and change. You can't make the lifetimers without a conscience acquiesce to your opinion of them--they simply do not care and I've seen that one played out too many times to know it.

Yep. The part timers also have out their calculators, buy store brands, etc. Usually don't have beer, wine and cigs in a separate pile on the checkout.  I can spot the lifetime parasites in the grocery store a mile away. 
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Re: primitives discuss poverty
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2014, 09:08:31 PM »
That's not a good policy either. I do know of folks who have used EBT(the food portion) temporarily going through transitional times in life: divorce, death in the family, and job loss. The majority used it on a very temporary basis and some even stopped receiving services BEFORE they were no longer qualified and not BECAUSE they were no longer qualified ie they don't ride the train to the end just because they can.

However, I have found you can usually distinguish between the part timers above and the life longers. The part timers usually have enough discretion because they do not like using EBT to be very discreet about paying for the items and actually look forward to the time they no longer need the crutch. the lifetime recipients treat it like its any other form of payment and swing that bitch out for all to see. I guess my point is the part timers do a good job of shaming themselves; the lifetimers, not so much and you shaming them probably isn't going to change their minds since they already think they are entitled to it so the only people you will end up shaming is the ones who already are uncomfortable that they have to use that crutch for a while and well they are the ones it actually WAS intended to help and who have no intention of abusing the charity they receive. the other section isn't going to be solved without a bit of cultural upheaval and change. You can't make the lifetimers without a conscience acquiesce to your opinion of them--they simply do not care and I've seen that one played out too many times to know it.

My mom had to take what was then called Welfare.  It tore her up (and IMO killed her young).  She HAD to use food stamps and accept Welfare to pay our rent (she chose the wrong man to be our dad but that is a different discussion).  She made it clear that is was SHAME to accept welfare and we did so to survive.  While raising 7 kids (all born legitimately) she went to night school and got the hell out off welfare the very second she could.  She taught us the shame in accepting aid is to do so longer than possible.  Her head was down every benefit she received.

All of us do for ourselves.

So F YOU you parasites who never learned shame.  I came from poverty you can't imagine and built a damn good life for myself, built on the values I learned from my Mom.

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Re: primitives discuss poverty
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2014, 09:44:42 PM »
My mom had to take what was then called Welfare.  It tore her up (and IMO killed her young).  She HAD to use food stamps and accept Welfare to pay our rent (she chose the wrong man to be our dad but that is a different discussion).  She made it clear that is was SHAME to accept welfare and we did so to survive.  While raising 7 kids (all born legitimately) she went to night school and got the hell out off welfare the very second she could.  She taught us the shame in accepting aid is to do so longer than possible.  Her head was down every benefit she received.

All of us do for ourselves.

So F YOU you parasites who never learned shame.  I came from poverty you can't imagine and built a damn good life for myself, built on the values I learned from my Mom.

The end of shame was the end of the USA.  It will not last another generation until shame is reinstated.

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Re: primitives discuss poverty
« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2014, 07:15:06 AM »
That's not a good policy either. I do know of folks who have used EBT(the food portion) temporarily going through transitional times in life: divorce, death in the family, and job loss. The majority used it on a very temporary basis and some even stopped receiving services BEFORE they were no longer qualified and not BECAUSE they were no longer qualified ie they don't ride the train to the end just because they can.

However, I have found you can usually distinguish between the part timers above and the life longers. The part timers usually have enough discretion because they do not like using EBT to be very discreet about paying for the items and actually look forward to the time they no longer need the crutch. the lifetime recipients treat it like its any other form of payment and swing that bitch out for all to see. I guess my point is the part timers do a good job of shaming themselves; the lifetimers, not so much and you shaming them probably isn't going to change their minds since they already think they are entitled to it so the only people you will end up shaming is the ones who already are uncomfortable that they have to use that crutch for a while and well they are the ones it actually WAS intended to help and who have no intention of abusing the charity they receive. the other section isn't going to be solved without a bit of cultural upheaval and change. You can't make the lifetimers without a conscience acquiesce to your opinion of them--they simply do not care and I've seen that one played out too many times to know it.

Evidently I've only come across the life long losers.  I really don't care enough for the details and somebody has to be doing something obvious for me to care.

Case 1: Occassionally I have to stop at the Save-a-lot on the way home from work to pick up milk and a few small things.  I got stuck behind a guy that was definitely eating well and had tattoos all over the place. He whips out the card, finds out he doesn't have enough on it to cover all his groceries.  Idiot spends five minutes anguishing over if he should get the BBQ sauce or the ranch.  Unfortunately, they don't ever have more than 1 line open so I got to watch the stupidity.

Case 2:  Woman is standing in front of us at the grocery buying a huge cake, dressed much better than us and fresh manicure(wife noticed that). Brings out that RW&B card.  Guess that's somehow okay.

Case 3: Woman is ahead of us in walmart one afternoon.  She has this morbidly obese 3 year old in the cart with undersized PJ's on.  She's still in her's as well.  Okay, I get it, you really don't care what people think at this point, but at least make the effort.  She goes through 3 different versions of assistance to cover her bill, then breaks out a 100 dollar bill from a big roll so she can get change for the last little bit. 

No sympathy for it here, sorry.
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« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2014, 07:38:37 AM »
Does one look upon a newly discovered tick or flea with pity and compassion? Of course not. Personally, if I see an EBT card pop out in front of me at the check out line, I try to make my disgust as pointed as possible.  The expression has about the same as effect as it does on the tick, but hopefully it'll one day make the parasitic user realize it's order in life.

Just a story to tie in with yours.  I had this room mate for a very short time.  One day she asked me if on my way home from work (she didn't work) would I mind picking up some cereal for her kids.  I said sure!  She hands me food stamps (back when it was paper currency).  I remember I got the cereal and was standing in line hair perfect, makeup perfect, nice suit and heels on...........I didn't think it would bother me to just pay for this stuff with food stamps that I didn't even own but I felt like people were staring at me assuming.  Now you would think I was trying to tell you don't do that to people!  but I'm not.  That shame I felt was enough for me to swear to myself that I would never go on gov't assistance unless I was really needing it.  I think a lot of people don't have any shame so that allows their conscience to stay on gov't assistance forever.  No ambition whatsoever.

Oh and I kicked that beyotch out.  She was worthless and yep, I found out a democrat.  I repeat, she was worthless.






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Re: primitives discuss poverty
« Reply #41 on: August 18, 2014, 07:50:35 AM »
That's not a good policy either. I do know of folks who have used EBT(the food portion) temporarily going through transitional times in life: divorce, death in the family, and job loss. The majority used it on a very temporary basis and some even stopped receiving services BEFORE they were no longer qualified and not BECAUSE they were no longer qualified ie they don't ride the train to the end just because they can.

Yeah, I'm with ya there.  I have no use for the 'Don't judge' meme, but in this case, it actually applies.
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« Reply #42 on: August 18, 2014, 11:03:39 AM »
Yep. The part timers also have out their calculators, buy store brands, etc. Usually don't have beer, wine and cigs in a separate pile on the checkout.  I can spot the lifetime parasites in the grocery store a mile away.

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« Reply #43 on: August 18, 2014, 11:10:29 AM »
Evidently I've only come across the life long losers.  I really don't care enough for the details and somebody has to be doing something obvious for me to care.

Case 1: Occassionally I have to stop at the Save-a-lot on the way home from work to pick up milk and a few small things.  I got stuck behind a guy that was definitely eating well and had tattoos all over the place. He whips out the card, finds out he doesn't have enough on it to cover all his groceries.  Idiot spends five minutes anguishing over if he should get the BBQ sauce or the ranch.  Unfortunately, they don't ever have more than 1 line open so I got to watch the stupidity.

Case 2:  Woman is standing in front of us at the grocery buying a huge cake, dressed much better than us and fresh manicure(wife noticed that). Brings out that RW&B card.  Guess that's somehow okay.

Case 3: Woman is ahead of us in walmart one afternoon.  She has this morbidly obese 3 year old in the cart with undersized PJ's on.  She's still in her's as well.  Okay, I get it, you really don't care what people think at this point, but at least make the effort.  She goes through 3 different versions of assistance to cover her bill, then breaks out a 100 dollar bill from a big roll so she can get change for the last little bit. 

No sympathy for it here, sorry.
And that's really a shame and a policy you should probably rethink considering you have at least 3 conservatives on this very board telling you yours is not the be all end all of experiences in this. Incidentally, many of the part timers you want to lump in probably put enough in through federal taxes way before your ire came along that they aren't even pulling from your pocket but their own just a few years back so maybe you should reconsider your opinion as a blanket policy. I never claim what i see applies to the whole; you probably should think about doing the same or risk being as one-dimensional as the inhabitants of the island.

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« Reply #44 on: August 18, 2014, 11:11:38 AM »
Just a story to tie in with yours.  I had this room mate for a very short time.  One day she asked me if on my way home from work (she didn't work) would I mind picking up some cereal for her kids.  I said sure!  She hands me food stamps (back when it was paper currency).  I remember I got the cereal and was standing in line hair perfect, makeup perfect, nice suit and heels on...........I didn't think it would bother me to just pay for this stuff with food stamps that I didn't even own but I felt like people were staring at me assuming.  Now you would think I was trying to tell you don't do that to people!  but I'm not.  That shame I felt was enough for me to swear to myself that I would never go on gov't assistance unless I was really needing it.  I think a lot of people don't have any shame so that allows their conscience to stay on gov't assistance forever.  No ambition whatsoever.

Oh and I kicked that beyotch out.  She was worthless and yep, I found out a democrat.  I repeat, she was worthless.

You may not know it gina, but you also have known some of the part timers I speak of probably without even knowing it. You don't see the ones I speak of because as I said to land they are far more discreet then the ones you both are speaking of.

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Re: primitives discuss poverty
« Reply #45 on: August 18, 2014, 11:22:57 AM »
And that's really a shame and a policy you should probably rethink considering you have at least 3 conservatives on this very board telling you yours is not the be all end all of experiences in this. Incidentally, many of the part timers you want to lump in probably put enough in through federal taxes way before your ire came along that they aren't even pulling from your pocket but their own just a few years back so maybe you should reconsider your opinion as a blanket policy. I never claim what i see applies to the whole; you probably should think about doing the same or risk being as one-dimensional as the inhabitants of the island.

nah, I'm good with it. I've seen plenty of job postings (entry level) that would be happy to hire in a heartbeat that would make drawing completely unnecessary. You should come take a look at the local HUD housing. In the middle of the week, late morning, that parking lot is full. Not a single one of them out looking for work. Heck, I've even offered to hire some for lawnwork and they can't even trouble themselves to do that. 
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« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2014, 11:38:47 AM »
Yeah, I'm with ya there.  I have no use for the 'Don't judge' meme, but in this case, it actually applies.

Yes, well life has taught me some very hard, kick in my ass lessons--both as the lead in the tragedy and the audience. As such, I try to gain the knowledge I can before putting my foot in my mouth in matters like these. Nor do I think it's reasonable to be prideful over such things(again lesson learned).

I don't say there are no abusers(although others seem to advocate there are no responsible users); absolutely there are in both circumstances. However, nobody can tell me that ALL people on EBT are abusers--specifically food stamps. However, to step out in public and presume to know who is or who is not 'worthy' is not  a worthwhile endeavor. That well-dressed woman may be shopping for an elderly person or a disabled person and not themselves for example-the disabled person or the elderly person is the qualifier and the individual is shopping for them on their behalf--hell many times that person may be the friggin caregiver for that person and not even a relative so they have no financial responsibility for them--they are there to merely provide care and basic needs lke shopping for that person so judging them by their appearance is ludicrous since they are not the beneficiary of the EBT card.

That aside, you'd be surprised what you can find in a Goodwill. Because someone is put together, doesn't mean they are pulling $ from somewhere else. One can pick up a name brand, good condition outfit at the Salvation Army for about 15 bucks. A female can style and dye her own hair and even do her own nails(natural not fake) relatively inexpensively. Any woman can do a french manicure for about 5 bucks in supplies and those supplies last through several applications. It's probably easier for a woman to be presentable in that way then a guy since there really is some good quality stuff out there. Only speaking of the female example given earlier. A put together lady isn't necessarily an expensive lady. You guys are the suckers that think that :-) Us girls know better, I'm just the traitor giving up the facts.  :lmao:


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Re: primitives discuss poverty
« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2014, 11:44:56 AM »
I have been behind folks with what I think are WIC coupons.
They have several piles of items with the coupons separating them.
I presume there are ones for dairy,ones for produce etc.
Then at the end they have all the non qualifying goods.
I see red when they pull out a credit card to pay for that stuff.  :censored:

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Re: primitives discuss poverty
« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2014, 12:38:48 PM »
100 percent agreed there, Freedumb!!  H5!

Yep, a H5 from me also for that highlighted quote.
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Re: primitives discuss poverty
« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2014, 01:02:25 PM »
She was worthless and yep, I found out a democrat.

That is redundant.