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primitives discuss poverty
« on: August 10, 2014, 11:21:00 PM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025333954

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doxydad (1,251 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:19 AM

3 Facts that Poverty-Deniers Don't Want to Hear

Three-quarters of conservative Americans say poor people have it easy.

The degree of ignorance about poverty is stunning, even for people far removed from the realities of an average American lifestyle. Both oilman Charles Koch and Nicole Miller CEO Bud Konheim have suggested that we should compare ourselves to poor people in China and India, and then just shut up and be happy. The Cato Institute informs Americans that "The current welfare system provides such a high level of benefits that it acts as a disincentive for work." And entrepreneur Marc Andreessen explains, rather incomprehensibly, that "Technology innovation disproportionately helps the poor more than it helps the rich, as the poor spend more of their income on products."
 
http://www.alternet.org/economy/3-facts-poverty-deniers-dont-want-hear

<<<not sure what's wrong with that^^^; it seems like comparing apples with apples, to me.

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BainsBane (28,273 posts)  Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:21 AM 

1. Sounds exactly like what some say

about the gender gap and rape.

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nxylas (5,151 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:05 AM

2. Confront them with these facts and they'll just switch to plan B

The myth, deeply ingrained in the American psyche, that poverty is a moral failing. Surely, all Those People need to do is wash some dishes to put themselves through college, found a successful business, and then untold wealth will be theirs. Just like those nice sepia-toned immigrants in the Ellis Island videos (not to be confused with the criminal, disease-ridden immigrants on the nightly news).

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Demeter (74,087 posts)   Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:11 AM

3. Give them the odds that they or their children and grandchildren will be in poverty

Of course, trust fund babies will not face that, unless there is a convulsion in this country's politics...defund the wealthy!

Defund the Bostonian Drunkard!

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Dustlawyer (3,038 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:44 AM

4. People are so invested in their beliefs that they refuse to believe the facts since they do not

jive with their preconceptions that they have learned from the media they watch and listen to. They do not know anyone living in this type of poverty so it cannot be wide spread or true. Unless they go live with one of these families for a couple of weeks they will never be convinced.

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ColesCountyDem (2,346 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:49 AM

5. I was never unsympathetic, but until it happened to me, I didn't truly understand.

The article nails it squarely on the head!

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marew (1,294 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 08:14 AM

8. Truly disgusting!

They will cling to any crazy idea to justify their steadily increasing greed, callousness, and insensitivity! Sickening!

I am a retired social worker. I met so many people who work so incredibly hard yet who repeatedly get slapped down by the system.

Gawd, I hope there's karma for those jerks!

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dotymed (5,381 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 08:40 AM

9. Gawd, I hope there's karma for those jerks!

Not until we provide it.

^^^primitive's calling for a violent revolution, probably.

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BuelahWitch (7,947 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 11:08 AM

16. There is a perverse kind of jealousy that wingers have regarding the poor

I see this in the annual "poor people don't have to pay taxes" schtick and also those who would bleat about the fact that they might have cable tv (some companies offer free basic cable to people on gov't assistance) or a cell phone (TracFone pay as you go has a smart phone now, imagine that!). Some even want to deny the poor a refrigerator or air conditioning.

I still want to see a Survivor that forces right wingers who hate the poor to live like the working poor. Not the BS crap that Paris Hilton used to do, but a REAL situation. Living in a Sec. 8 apartment in a food desert with *maybe* an old beater car to let them get around. Have to apply to work at places like McDees or supermarkets to pay for food, no access to their former life bank accounts. THAT is real surviving!

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jwirr (23,696 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 11:43 AM

18. When I watch my great grandchildren go hungry - for healthy food - the last two weeks of the

month I literally hate these rick ****s.
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Re: primitives discuss poverty
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2014, 11:28:08 PM »
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BainsBane (28,273 posts)  Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:21 AM 

1. Sounds exactly like what some say

about the gender gap and rape.
She must hate being a woman.  It's the only thing I can come up with to explain her obsession.
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2014, 11:30:41 PM »
Hey DUmbos...poverty in the U.S. has no comparison to what real poverty is around the world.

You want people here out of poverty?  Then keep our families in tack, put fathers back in the home, get government out of our lives and our pockets, live within your means and go back to church.





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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2014, 11:42:16 PM »
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BainsBane (28,273 posts)  Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:21 AM 

1. Sounds exactly like what some say

about the gender gap and rape.

STFU and go make Frank a sammich.  Men get hungry and sleepy after sex.

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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2014, 11:49:07 PM »
Hey DUmbos...poverty in the U.S. has no comparison to what real poverty is around the world.

You want people here out of poverty?  Then keep our families in tack, put fathers back in the home, get government out of our lives and our pockets, live within your means and go back to church.

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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2014, 11:50:50 PM »
She must hate being a woman.  It's the only thing I can come up with to explain her obsession.

You know how she is; sexist language in America is just as bad as the violent rape and murder of women on the Dark Continent.
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2014, 12:07:21 AM »
You know how she is; sexist language in America is just as bad as the violent rape and murder of women on the Dark Continent.
Yes. 

The divide between her fantasy and reality is obscene.
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2014, 03:02:35 AM »
She must hate being a woman.  It's the only thing I can come up with to explain her obsession.

Me either.  In only the broadest possible definition is rapey rape rape part to the subject of poverty, but off she goes.  It is an obsession.

I blame Frank.   :tongue:


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doxydad (1,251 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 06:19 AM

3 Facts that Poverty-Deniers Don't Want to Hear

Three-quarters of conservative Americans say poor people have it easy.

The degree of ignorance about poverty is stunning, even for people far removed from the realities of an average American lifestyle. Both oilman Charles Koch and Nicole Miller CEO Bud Konheim have suggested that we should compare ourselves to poor people in China and India, and then just shut up and be happy. The Cato Institute informs Americans that "The current welfare system provides such a high level of benefits that it acts as a disincentive for work."  This is true, idiots.  Why do you think the part-time employment numbers are going up with no government action other than unemployment benefits running out?  C'mon.  Use that massive 6th grade brain and think critically!  :rofl:

Yeah, this has the (D)Ullards running around in ever tightening circles of pearl clutching woe.  The poor in the US ARE better off than about 80% of the rest of the planet      :panic:  oh noes!!!!    and where are these three facts you speak of?  Facts?  Where?

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And entrepreneur Marc Andreessen explains, rather incomprehensibly, To you? Of course, it is. that "Technology innovation disproportionately helps the poor more than it helps the rich, as the poor spend more of their income on products."

Psssst....hey, you....idiot.  The fact that they can afford those tech toys undercuts your whole fingerpainting of Dickensian woe.  Tech toys that the most highly compensated CEO of 20 years ago could scarcely dream of.

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Demeter (74,087 posts)   Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:11 AM

3. Give them the odds that they or their children and grandchildren will be in poverty

Of course, trust fund babies will not face that, unless there is a convulsion in this country's politics...defund the wealthy!

Of course, you don't print those odds which are far, far lower than the odds that they will be the ones producing your toilet paper, idiot.  Unlike, your wonderful Venezuela.

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nxylas (5,151 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:05 AM

2. Confront them with these facts and they'll just switch to plan B

The myth, deeply ingrained in the American psyche, that poverty is a moral failing. Surely, all Those People need to do is wash some dishes to put themselves through college, found a successful business, and then untold wealth will be theirs.
That seems to work better than your Transgendered Latino Feminist Art Studies path.  By the way, my fries were cold the last time your worked the drive-up window.

What. Facts?  You adolescents always mention facts, but never present any.  Unless it's a bouncy and those are not facts.  They're fantasy tales of Don Quixote vs. the drywall at Home Depot.

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Just like those nice sepia-toned immigrants in the Ellis Island videos (not to be confused with the criminal, disease-ridden immigrants on the nightly news).

Yeah....and?  Reality always shatters illusion, mumbles.
              

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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2014, 05:41:11 AM »
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ColesCountyDem (2,346 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:49 AM

5. I was never unsympathetic, but until it happened to me, I didn't truly understand.

The article nails it squarely on the head!

Says the one who seduces teen age boys,and spends his spare time watching kiddie porn.
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2014, 07:21:19 AM »
Reality has set in for DUmmy dopydad. He/she/it senses that his/her/it's efforts to replace the dumb dynamic dufuss duo (onehandle and Hoyt) as the DUmp's premire gun grabber is failing.

So dopydad decides to branch out into pimping poverty. 
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wirr (23,696 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 11:43 AM

18. When I watch my great grandchildren go hungry - for healthy food - the last two weeks of the

month I literally hate these rick ****s.

The primitive watches his great-grandchildren go hungry.

Who is the rick **** in this equation?


I did enjoy that touch of gNadinity in his post:


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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2014, 08:45:43 AM »
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wirr (23,696 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 11:43 AM

18. When I watch my great grandchildren go hungry - for healthy food - the last two weeks of the

month I literally hate these rick ****s

I don't know who the rick ****s are either, but someone doesn't know how to manage their budget or food if they eat unhealthy food for 2 of the 4 weeks in a month.

Or if you (wirr) hate these rick ****s because they handle the dispersion of food to your grand kids, maybe you should take charge and make sure they get healthy foods all month.
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wirr (23,696 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 11:43 AM

18. When I watch my great grandchildren go hungry - for healthy food - the last two weeks of the

month I literally hate these rick ****s

Why on earth are you allowing your grandkids to go hungry? What kind of grandparent does that?

Don't you know how to shop for and prepare nutritious foods?

Feeding your grandkids is not the responsibility of rick.

 






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wirr (23,696 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 11:43 AM

18. When I watch my great grandchildren go hungry - for healthy food - the last two weeks of the

month I literally hate these rick ****s.

In other words they buy what they are allowed to with public money but when that runs out and they have to spring for it all the parents buy is junk or fast food.

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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2014, 10:53:28 AM »
The higher the poverty level, the higher number of Dem party voters and the easier it is to control them. The libs only interest in the poor is to use them as a springboard to power and then to enslave them in poverty for a never-ending gravy train of voters via gov't services.

If you're poor, and especially if you're a poor minority, and you vote Dem, enjoy where you are in life. The left has every intention of keeping you right where you are. Or as they put it, "where you belong."

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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2014, 01:09:32 PM »
The higher the poverty level, the higher number of Dem party voters and the easier it is to control them. The libs only interest in the poor is to use them as a springboard to power and then to enslave them in poverty for a never-ending gravy train of voters via gov't services.

If you're poor, and especially if you're a poor minority, and you vote Dem, enjoy where you are in life. The left has every intention of keeping you right where you are. Or as they put it, "where you belong."

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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2014, 01:18:55 PM »
This.

The workers that support this shit are getting near the end of their tolerance for this shit.  When that happens, . . . may God help us, because He'll be the only Way out.

There are 116 million taxpayers and 318 million people in this country.

Only one third of the population are supporting this gluttonous government with taxes. 
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2014, 01:34:29 PM »
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nxylas (5,151 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:05 AM

2. Confront them with these facts and they'll just switch to plan B

The myth, deeply ingrained in the American psyche, that poverty is a moral failing. Surely, all Those People need to do is wash some dishes to put themselves through college, found a successful business, and then untold wealth will be theirs. Just like those nice sepia-toned immigrants in the Ellis Island videos (not to be confused with the criminal, disease-ridden immigrants on the nightly news).

Well, of course it isn't necessarily, it just seems to be directly attributable to moral shortcomings like a lack of work ethic or a drive to freeload an amazing percentage of the time.

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Demeter (74,087 posts)   Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:11 AM

3. Give them the odds that they or their children and grandchildren will be in poverty

Of course, trust fund babies will not face that, unless there is a convulsion in this country's politics...defund the wealthy!

Yeah, none of them on DU, are there...?

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Dustlawyer (3,038 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:44 AM

4. People are so invested in their beliefs that they refuse to believe the facts since they do not

jive with their preconceptions that they have learned from the media they watch and listen to. They do not know anyone living in this type of poverty[,] so it cannot be wide spread or true. Unless they go live with one of these families for a couple of weeks[,] they will never be convinced.

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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2014, 01:40:30 PM »
The Dummy's grand kids are running out of nutritious food two weeks of the month because the Dummy's kid is buying lobster the first two weeks of the month.

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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2014, 02:00:47 PM »
Does anyone have any numbers on how many people in the United States starve to death yearly?






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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2014, 02:08:36 PM »
Well, of course it isn't necessarily, it just seems to be directly attributable to moral shortcomings like a lack of work ethic or a drive to freeload an amazing percentage of the time.

^^^that.  :clap:
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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2014, 02:26:46 PM »
Does one look upon a newly discovered tick or flea with pity and compassion? Of course not. Personally, if I see an EBT card pop out in front of me at the check out line, I try to make my disgust as pointed as possible.  The expression has about the same as effect as it does on the tick, but hopefully it'll one day make the parasitic user realize it's order in life.
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ColesCountyDem (2,346 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:49 AM

5. I was never unsympathetic, but until it happened to me, I didn't truly understand.

The article nails it squarely on the head!

I hope you starve to death in the dark, kid-****er.

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jwirr (23,696 posts)    Mon Aug 4, 2014, 11:43 AM

18. When I watch my great grandchildren go hungry - for healthy food - the last two weeks of the

month... 

Then you're part of the problem, DUmmie, or a filthy ass liar looking for DUmp cred.
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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2014, 03:17:31 PM »
I guess this is as good a place as any to put this. 

I get the mail for our company every day, since it contains lots of checks.  Our PO Box is XX, say, and I got a letter to a Jane Something at PO Box XX-B.  It was from the EBT division in Albany.  Doesn't belong to us, so I gave it to the front counter.  "Oh bad address, nothing to do but send it back."  He scrawled IA on it, and dumped it in a bin. 

The next day I got another letter, from another govt agency, with the same XX-B.  The same the next day.  All go back into the system. 

Now when these letters go back to the blackhole in Albany, what do you picture happening to them?  A compassionate and caring bureaucrat attempting to contact this woman, somehow, who's three hours away?  Tirelessly hunting her down to sort all this out and make sure she gets her freebies?   

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« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2014, 03:40:14 PM »
I get the mail for our company every day, since it contains lots of checks.  Our PO Box is XX, say, and I got a letter to a Jane Something at PO Box XX-B.  It was from the EBT division in Albany.  Doesn't belong to us, so I gave it to the front counter.  "Oh bad address, nothing to do but send it back."  He scrawled IA on it, and dumped it in a bin. 

The next day I got another letter, from another govt agency, with the same XX-B.  The same the next day.  All go back into the system.

Sounds like this person is trying to hide what they're doing from somebody. Either that or someone has a history of getting the checks before your fellow employee and blowing the cash on whatever.

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