Gay marriage ban qualifies for California ballot

[mamacags]

I don't know why normal people don't just run away from California as fast as they can and leave it to the idiots.

[Wretched Excess]

I don't know why normal people don't just run away from California as fast as they can and leave it to the idiots.

I think they have all moved to AZ and NV.  I know all the businesses have.

[Lauri]

it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.

in reading the DU thread, they seem to think its a slam dunk since their state supreme court just barely went their way.

but they seem to either dont know, or have forgotten, that the public already voted this down already by a pretty hefty percentage - unless their side is going to overstuff ballot boxes like my state does.

[Lauri]

it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.

Agreed--and if McCain plays this one right, he'll win California.

I have seen other completely sane people () say that this is possible, too.  I suppose mccain
is sufficiently moderate/swartzenegger-like, and obama had obvious problems with hispanics
and asians in the primaries.

I would still fall over from the shock if it actually happened.

I had no idea Obama had such a problem in the Latino communities - those people will not vote for him, no matter what. Until Puerto Rico this past weekend, I was not aware that the black/latino communities are so racially divided against each other.

Of course, being a whitey, me and all other whities will get the blame for all the racism if Obama doesnt win. 

[Lauri]

I don't know why normal people don't just run away from California as fast as they can and leave it to the idiots.

a lot of them have, but they are being replaced at a rate of 2:1 by illegals.

and hollyweird.

[Wretched Excess]

it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.

in reading the DU thread, they seem to think its a slam dunk since their state supreme court just barely went their way.

but they seem to either dont know, or have forgotten, that the public already voted this down already by a pretty hefty percentage - unless their side is going to overstuff ballot boxes like my state does.

I see dead people . . . voting.

[Wretched Excess]

it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.

Agreed--and if McCain plays this one right, he'll win California.

I have seen other completely sane people () say that this is possible, too.  I suppose mccain
is sufficiently moderate/swartzenegger-like, and obama had obvious problems with hispanics
and asians in the primaries.

I would still fall over from the shock if it actually happened.

I had no idea Obama had such a problem in the Latino communities - those people will not vote for him, no matter what. Until Puerto Rico this past weekend, I was not aware that the black/latino communities are so racially divided against each other.

Of course, being a whitey, me and all other whities will get the blame for all the racism if Obama doesnt win. 

I thought it really became obvious for the first time in CA.  I forget what the exits looked like, but they were alarming for BHO.  of course, that is when the alternative to obama was hillary, not mccain.  even though he is as soft as a marshmallow on immigration, I'm not sure that will actually translate to anything at the ballot box.

it's even more pronounced with asians.

[Lauri]

which makes me think that the conservative Dems wont have a problem at all voting for McCain, if Obama is their only choice.

this thing is going to be pretty bloody for Obama... and instead of it being about his own opinions and political ideas, it will be focused on our racism as a country.

and the Dems will beat that dead horse for another 40 years. 

[Wretched Excess]

which makes me think that the conservative Dems wont have a problem at all voting for McCain, if Obama is their only choice.

this thing is going to be pretty bloody for Obama... and instead of it being about his own opinions and political ideas, it will be focused on our racism as a country.

and the Dems will beat that dead horse for another 40 years. 

there is another dynamic at work, I think.  I wonder how many voters can be compelled to vote for BHO because they become indoctrinated by the MSM that to vote against him is racist, in and of itself.

[BlueStateSaint]

it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.

Agreed--and if McCain plays this one right, he'll win California.

I have seen other completely sane people () say that this is possible, too.  I suppose mccain
is sufficiently moderate/swartzenegger-like, and obama had obvious problems with hispanics
and asians in the primaries.

I would still fall over from the shock if it actually happened.

Obama's problems with Latinos, and the fact that McCain was the point man for immigration reform (it died, but he was for it) are going to sit rather well with the growing Latino voting bloc.  They don't forget things like that.

[Wretched Excess]

it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.

Agreed--and if McCain plays this one right, he'll win California.

I have seen other completely sane people () say that this is possible, too.  I suppose mccain
is sufficiently moderate/swartzenegger-like, and obama had obvious problems with hispanics
and asians in the primaries.

I would still fall over from the shock if it actually happened.

Obama's problems with Latinos, and the fact that McCain was the point man for immigration reform (it died, but he was for it) are going to sit rather well with the growing Latino voting bloc.  They don't forget things like that.

they also don't forget that he has an (R) next to his name.  although bush did get 45% of the latino vote in 2004, if memory serves.

[VivisMom]

it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.

Agreed--and if McCain plays this one right, he'll win California.

I have seen other completely sane people () say that this is possible, too.  I suppose mccain
is sufficiently moderate/swartzenegger-like, and obama had obvious problems with hispanics
and asians in the primaries.

I would still fall over from the shock if it actually happened.

I had no idea Obama had such a problem in the Latino communities - those people will not vote for him, no matter what. Until Puerto Rico this past weekend, I was not aware that the black/latino communities are so racially divided against each other.

Of course, being a whitey, me and all other whities will get the blame for all the racism if Obama doesnt win. 

I didn't know that either, until I taught in a school that was 97% black. The kids used to call all Asians 'chinks' and all Hispanics 'spics.' None of them understood that those words were seen to be as offensive as '******.'

I'd be shocked if Obama won any states that have a heavy Latino or Asian population.

[Lauri]

it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.

Agreed--and if McCain plays this one right, he'll win California.

I have seen other completely sane people () say that this is possible, too.  I suppose mccain
is sufficiently moderate/swartzenegger-like, and obama had obvious problems with hispanics
and asians in the primaries.

I would still fall over from the shock if it actually happened.

I had no idea Obama had such a problem in the Latino communities - those people will not vote for him, no matter what. Until Puerto Rico this past weekend, I was not aware that the black/latino communities are so racially divided against each other.

Of course, being a whitey, me and all other whities will get the blame for all the racism if Obama doesnt win. 

I didn't know that either, until I taught in a school that was 97% black. The kids used to call all Asians 'chinks' and all Hispanics 'spics.' None of them understood that those words were seen to be as offensive as '******.'

I'd be shocked if Obama won any states that have a heavy Latino or Asian population.

and that is the point Hilary has been trying to make the past few months: Obama hasnt carried any of them, she has.

but if you look closely at *why* she is carrying them, it appears that its because she is more centrist and conservative.

[Wretched Excess]

it will be on the ballot in november?  this is a good thingy;  this will drive our base to the polls in
droves.

Agreed--and if McCain plays this one right, he'll win California.

I have seen other completely sane people () say that this is possible, too.  I suppose mccain
is sufficiently moderate/swartzenegger-like, and obama had obvious problems with hispanics
and asians in the primaries.

I would still fall over from the shock if it actually happened.

I had no idea Obama had such a problem in the Latino communities - those people will not vote for him, no matter what. Until Puerto Rico this past weekend, I was not aware that the black/latino communities are so racially divided against each other.

Of course, being a whitey, me and all other whities will get the blame for all the racism if Obama doesnt win. 

I didn't know that either, until I taught in a school that was 97% black. The kids used to call all Asians 'chinks' and all Hispanics 'spics.' None of them understood that those words were seen to be as offensive as '******.'

I'd be shocked if Obama won any states that have a heavy Latino or Asian population.

and that is the point Hilary has been trying to make the past few months: Obama hasnt carried any of them, she has.

but if you look closely at *why* she is carrying them, it appears that its because she is more centrist and conservative.

it would be hard to be less centrist and conservative than BHO, the guy that wants to hike capital gains tax because of "fairness".

[Wretched Excess]

and that is the point Hilary has been trying to make the past few months: Obama hasnt carried any of them, she has.

but if you look closely at *why* she is carrying them, it appears that its because she is more centrist and conservative.

No, it is because she is not Black. 

Like some folks have pointed out, the Blacks and Latinos have been really going at it for the last 5-10 years.  Basically, welfare and entitlements and largess (such as government jobs) are seen as a zero-sum game, which used to be dominated by Blacks are now being taken over by Latinos.  This is mostly a rsult of demographics -- Blacks have remained a stable 11-12% of the population (from killing themselves in the womb), whereas the US Latino population is growing. 

Today in L.A., most traditional "Black" communities, like South Central, are now pretty much all Latino.


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[Chris_]

Wasn't this ban approved by the voters already? and didn't the Kalifornia Supreme Court overturn the will of the people? What will keep them from doing it again?

The previous vote was in favor of legislation prohibiting gay marriage.  This one puts it into the state's Constitution.

[Lauri]

and that is the point Hilary has been trying to make the past few months: Obama hasnt carried any of them, she has.

but if you look closely at *why* she is carrying them, it appears that its because she is more centrist and conservative.

No, it is because she is not Black. 

Like some folks have pointed out, the Blacks and Latinos have been really going at it for the last 5-10 years.  Basically, welfare and entitlements and largess (such as government jobs) are seen as a zero-sum game, which used to be dominated by Blacks are now being taken over by Latinos.  This is mostly a rsult of demographics -- Blacks have remained a stable 11-12% of the population (from killing themselves in the womb), whereas the US Latino population is growing. 

Today in L.A., most traditional "Black" communities, like South Central, are now pretty much all Latino.


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ok, i will defer to your info... i honestly dont know much about the black or latino voting intricacies.. suffice it to say, with that many latinos in the country, I think Obama is pretty well cooked. California, Arizona and Texas alone wont have a choice if they vote so solidly together.

[Texacon]

I didn't know that either, until I taught in a school that was 97% black. The kids used to call all Asians 'chinks' and all Hispanics 'spics.' None of them understood that those words were seen to be as offensive as '******.'

I'd be shocked if Obama won any states that have a heavy Latino or Asian population.

Evidently not ..... The only word the filter took out and replaced with '******' was ******.  Spic and chink didn't get replaced ....   

KC

[Wretched Excess]

I didn't know that either, until I taught in a school that was 97% black. The kids used to call all Asians 'chinks' and all Hispanics 'spics.' None of them understood that those words were seen to be as offensive as '******.'

I'd be shocked if Obama won any states that have a heavy Latino or Asian population.

Evidently not ..... The only word the filter took out and replaced with '******' was ******.  Spic and chink didn't get replaced ....   

KC

offensive terms are highly subjective.  "spic" and "chink" just haven't made it to the censored word list yet.

[Texacon]

I didn't know that either, until I taught in a school that was 97% black. The kids used to call all Asians 'chinks' and all Hispanics 'spics.' None of them understood that those words were seen to be as offensive as '******.'

I'd be shocked if Obama won any states that have a heavy Latino or Asian population.

Evidently not ..... The only word the filter took out and replaced with '******' was ******.  Spic and chink didn't get replaced ....   

KC

offensive terms are highly subjective.  "spic" and "chink" just haven't made it to the censored word list yet.

So what you are saying is that; All words are equal but some words are more equal than others. 

Imagine that.

KC

[Wretched Excess]

I didn't know that either, until I taught in a school that was 97% black. The kids used to call all Asians 'chinks' and all Hispanics 'spics.' None of them understood that those words were seen to be as offensive as '******.'

I'd be shocked if Obama won any states that have a heavy Latino or Asian population.

Evidently not ..... The only word the filter took out and replaced with '******' was ******.  Spic and chink didn't get replaced ....   

KC

offensive terms are highly subjective.  "spic" and "chink" just haven't made it to the censored word list yet.

So what you are saying is that; All words are equal but some words are more equal than others. 

Imagine that.

KC

no, I am saying it's about more than pointless bitching.  are you requesting that "spic" and "chink" be added to the censored word list?

[Rebel]

So what you are saying is that; All words are equal but some words are more equal than others. 

Imagine that.

KC

You try putting your name on a board that allows racial terms to be used freely and see if you can financially withstand the juggernaut that is the minority-stroking media. I'd rather keep my money and not have to fight a bunch of f'n liberals in a slander, racism, or defamation suit.

[Texacon]

I didn't know that either, until I taught in a school that was 97% black. The kids used to call all Asians 'chinks' and all Hispanics 'spics.' None of them understood that those words were seen to be as offensive as '******.'

I'd be shocked if Obama won any states that have a heavy Latino or Asian population.

Evidently not ..... The only word the filter took out and replaced with '******' was ******.  Spic and chink didn't get replaced ....   

KC

offensive terms are highly subjective.  "spic" and "chink" just haven't made it to the censored word list yet.

So what you are saying is that; All words are equal but some words are more equal than others. 

Imagine that.

KC

no, I am saying it's about more than pointless bitching.  are you requesting that "spic" and "chink" be added to the censored word list?

You have obviously misunderstood me.  It is hard to convey a lot of stuff over the internet using the typed word.  I don't think ANY word should be censored.  While I don't condone the use of the word ****** I don't think it is any worse than spic or chink or kike or (insert your ethnic slur of choice).

I have seen people try to ban words in real life and I think it is one of the most horrible things I have ever seen.  It is nothing more or less egregious than those who would ban books.

Free speech means free speech and with it comes tremendous responsibility on the part of each of us.

I don't have the filter turned on on my account and the only way I knew it was filtered was Lauri's post below it.  I simply found it odd that that one word was filtered.  Are there any OTHER ethnic slurs filtered?  It is nothing more than a curiosity to me.  It is interesting how that one word has gained such notoriety when so many of those who use it are black.

KC

[Chris_]

I don't know why normal people don't just run away from California as fast as they can and leave it to the idiots.

I think they have all moved to AZ and NV.  I know all the businesses have.

Quite a few of their high-tech businesses moved to Texas...Dallas, Austin, and Houston.

[Texacon]

So what you are saying is that; All words are equal but some words are more equal than others. 

Imagine that.

KC

You try putting your name on a board that allows racial terms to be used freely and see if you can financially withstand the juggernaut that is the minority-stroking media. I'd rather keep my money and not have to fight a bunch of f'n liberals in a slander, racism, or defamation suit.

I have no problem with what you are saying and as it stands .... I am probably one of the most PUBLIC folks on this board.  I pick and choose carefully what I say and to whom I say it for this reason.  I simply think it odd that that one word was 'censored' by the filter.

If someone who has their filter on would be so kind as to respond to my post I would love to see if whitey is censored.  Cracker, honky, wasp, ..... any others?

Rebel, what I'm saying is I found it interesting that the only racial slur of 3 posted that was filtered was ******.  I don't care what people are typing.  I think they should exercise caution and common sense but I don't care what they type.  What would be interesting to know is what racial slurs are censored.

For the rest of my explanation see the post above.

KC