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franksolich has an overnight primitive guest
« on: November 18, 2011, 06:41:36 PM »
note: it’s with much regret that while I’ll be having Thanksgiving dinner at the neighbors’, it’ll be my first primitive-free Thanksgiving in five years, as “Auntie,” described in previous Thanksgiving stories, departed this time and place over the summer, no longer imposing a burden upon the hard-pressed taxpayers of Missouri; her ticker finally gave out.

“Auntie” was 59 years old, two months shy of 60, and a textbook example of the destructive legacy of the Age of Aquarius, specifically all this free love and drugs and body-mutilation nonsense.

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lieu of the Thanksgiving with a primitive, I offer this, which happened a few weeks ago.  I don’t know the rest of the story.

franksolich has an overnight primitive guest.  When I woke up one night to empty the bladder and to let one of the cats inside, as I walked from the kitchen into the dining room to get to the front door, looking over to the living room, I saw a phenomenon that stopped me in my tracks.

There was a big heap of something on the recliner there, in the living room.

It wasn’t stirring, and didn’t seem to know of my presence, so in the near-darkness I approached the recumbent thing on the chair.

Yikes.

It was a femme, and a quite monstrous one at that.  About 40-50 years old, pretty dirty, stank rather badly, her eyes shut and her mouth wide open, crummy teeth.  About half the size of a filled waterbed mattress, her upper arms bigger than my thighs. 

Yikes.

I purposely knocked over a large brass-and-copper brazier, a souvenir from Egypt, hoping the clattering sound would wake her up.  It didn’t.  I assume she was snoring, although I had no way of knowing.

Oh man.  Problem.

I wasn’t about to touch her, to shake or poke her awake, because she was a strange woman, and I being a man unfamiliar to her might seem threatening, and scare her.  If nothing else, franksolich is a gentleman, sensitive to the sensibilities of women.

I picked up that large brass-and-copper thingamajig, and knocked it over again, this time harder so as to make a larger noise.  The great body mass slumbered and snored on.

Damn.

I did not want to deal with this.

It was the middle of the night.  Now, usually in case of a home invasion, one’s supposed to call “911.”  I’ve never in my life called “911,” but have been told that if I have to, all I need to do is dial the number and leave the receiver off the hook, nothing more.  And then in a few minutes, there’ll be all sorts of state, county, and local law-enforcement, EMTs and paramedics and an ambulance, some volunteer firemen and a few fire trucks, a van from the natural gas company, a truck from the electrical utility district, and a few dozen curious citizenry, out in the front yard.

Well, this was an emergency, but nothing that demanded all that fuss.  About the only way my life was threatened was that if I slipped and fell underneath her, and she being twice my weight would’ve smashed me flatter than a pancake, but there was no chance of that.

Instead, I picked up the telephone and dialed the number of the ranch-hand on call these particular twenty-four hours.  He lives in town, but whoever’s on call on is supposed to be contacted when I need someone.

I of course can’t hear, and after slowly counting to ten, assumed the telephone had been picked up at the other end, and said, “This is me.  There’s a problem.  I need help.”  I uttered the message three times; the guy knows me, and knows the deal, that I have no idea if a message is being “received” at the other end, and so I have to do it that way.

While waiting for him to come, I dropped the brass-and-copper thing a third time, in fact slamming it down onto the floor so as to make an even louder noise, but this, uh, big blob on the chair rippled on, unawakened.

The ranch-hand on call lives about ten minutes away, and finally drove up to the front.  He got out of his truck and came to the door.  It was obvious he was packing heat, because a rifle’s a difficult thing to hide.

He glanced at me, seeing no harm, and so looked where I was pointing in the darkness, illuminated only by the shadow of the yard-light outside coming through the picture-window.

He had the same reaction I did, upon seeing the sight of a breathing, fluttering mountain.

“Whew, she stinks like she crapped in her pants,” he commented.  “Where’d she come from?”

I said I had no idea, and I wanted to get her out of here.

Well, he didn’t want to touch her either, and as she wasn’t going anywhere, we went into the lighted kitchen, where he used his cellular telephone to call the sheriff.  It seemed to me he was asked a lot of questions from the other end; after all, no one likes to have to get out of bed in the middle of the night.

When the conversation was done, he shut off his telephone and looking at me said, “Okay, the sheriff’s on his way here now; it’d probably be a good idea for you to at least get some underwear on.”

The sheriff came about fifteen, twenty, minutes later.

I stay out of the way of medical and law-enforcement personnel doing their job, and so retreated back to the kitchen to smoke a cigarette while the sheriff and the ranch-hand dealt with the intruder.

They finally awoke the beached whale and questioned her.

Both the sheriff and this ranch-hand are EMTs, and made some sort of professional evaluation of her condition, apparently evaluating that it was safe to take her to town without having to bother anybody else, and so they did that.

After they left, I dragged the reclining chair out to the front porch.  It wasn’t soiled or anything, but given her odor, one had no idea what sorts of germs and vermin she might’ve left in it.  It was just a five-dollar thrift-store chair anyway, and easily replaced with another one.  The property caretaker and I broke it apart and burned it in the incinerator later.

Before that though, towards morning, the ranch-hand came back from town.  He told me she was from Omaha, and had run out of gas up on the highway.  Her cellular telephone didn’t work as she hadn’t recharged it, or paid the bill on it, or something.  The car, a big sedan from back when Reagan was president, was cluttered with dirty clothes, fast food trash, and other junk.  And some unprescribed chemicals.

She had been out of her mind with drugs, and confused, so she’d just headed towards the first house she could see from the highway.  “She was so out of it by the time we’d gotten to town she’d forgotten she’d been here.”  There were some warrants from Omaha (shoplifting, forged checks) on her, so she was Omaha’s problem now, not ours.
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Re: franksolich has an overnight primitive guest
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2011, 06:49:16 PM »


...and while you're at the gunshop remember that the experts agree 000 buck is the best home defense load.


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Re: franksolich has an overnight primitive guest
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2011, 06:52:34 PM »
Hm, you've said before (if I understood you correctly) that since you don't get the whole picture of what's going on around you all the time that you can be surprised, or startled, or something along those lines more often or easier than a hearing person.  

Hearing or not, I'd always be on edge if I were you.  I'm amazed at the number of weirdos just wandering into your home all the time.  Maybe you really do need to knock out that light on a pole.  :-)

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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2011, 06:55:25 PM »


...and while you're at the gunshop remember that the experts agree 000 buck is the best home defense load.

Gee whiz, if that's an 870, that sure doesn't look like an 18 inch barrel.   :-)  I just measured mine to where that one looks like it ends, and it comes out to be 13 inches!

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Re: franksolich has an overnight primitive guest
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2011, 07:00:26 PM »
Nobody lives forever, but I feel a little sad knowing Auntie is not going to be with us this year.
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2011, 08:10:05 PM »
Nobody lives forever, but I feel a little sad knowing Auntie is not going to be with us this year.

Yeah, but that's the wages of a dissolute life.  As mentioned she was 59, almost 60.

The neighbor's wife was born in 1978, and so never knew Auntie as being sane.

I used to kid the neighbor--a lot--about having to drive to the bus depot in Sioux City in the darkness of night, to pick up Auntie and bring her home, where she stayed inside, no one outside the family (other than myself) ever seeing her.....or even knowing she existed.  And then two nights later, the neighbor stuffing her into the truck again under the cover of darkness to run her back to the bus depot.

As mentioned last Thanksgiving, I sensed she was failing; a lot of dropsy and lethargy, but not so much that she couldn't go slightly bonkers upon seeing me, insisting I was "evil."  To calm her down, the neighbor's wife went out horse-riding, while I drove a truck behind her across the fields.  During our absence, Auntie calmed down, and was asleep when we returned, and so I never saw her again.

Auntie was just like the subway cat, with the exception of this sex-change thing.  Heavy, watery fat, pierced and decorated, heavy make-up, weird hair, tattoos, clothes both too young and too small for her, always dabbling in strange things, fascinated by little bright baubles, and a phenomenon well worth paying five bucks or something, to look at.

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Re: franksolich has an overnight primitive guest
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2011, 08:16:57 PM »
Hm, you've said before (if I understood you correctly) that since you don't get the whole picture of what's going on around you all the time that you can be surprised, or startled, or something along those lines more often or easier than a hearing person.  

Hearing or not, I'd always be on edge if I were you.  I'm amazed at the number of weirdos just wandering into your home all the time.  Maybe you really do need to knock out that light on a pole.  :-)

It's that tall outdoor light and the highway north of here.

And the 0bamaconomy driving people to hit the road.

Remember, I'm near the longest highway in North America, and there's lots who use it.

It's very true that because I can't hear, I'm really not aware of things even four or five feet away unless I'm specifically looking at them.  It's because sound stimulates sight, lets someone know something's going on.....and if no sound, damned little stimulation to look around.  I gave an example of that to Tanker here, about the first time the property caretaker met me, and because I was preoccupied with something else, even though he was within two feet of me, I didn't see him.

Living my life requires a wardrobe full of brown-colored pants.

But still, for the moment, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else.
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Re: franksolich has an overnight primitive guest
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2011, 09:11:27 PM »
note: it’s with much regret that while I’ll be having Thanksgiving dinner at the neighbors’, it’ll be my first primitive-free Thanksgiving in five years, as “Auntie,” described in previous Thanksgiving stories, departed this time and place over the summer, no longer imposing a burden upon the hard-pressed taxpayers of Missouri; her ticker finally gave out.

“Auntie” was 59 years old, two months shy of 60, and a textbook example of the destructive legacy of the Age of Aquarius, specifically all this free love and drugs and body-mutilation nonsense.

So in
lieu of the Thanksgiving with a primitive, I offer this, which happened a few weeks ago.  I don’t know the rest of the story.

Dude, seriously? She was still family. I had to get a ticket for my wife last night for a trip to Dulles so she could drive to Martinsburg, West Virginia because her uncle, grandfather's cousin Howard is dying. He's a DIEHARD Democrat, but he's a retired US Army First Sergeant. Trust me, we've had SEVERAL heated discussions, but that man was damn good to Kim, and us. Kim is a favorite among the older crew because she's old-fashioned and respectful as hell, unlike the many grandchildren of the different families, ESPECIALLY the great grandchildren. He was old school Democrat, but he was a very good guy.
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2011, 09:13:45 PM »
I don't think he's going to be around when Kim's grandfather gets there. He's leaving tomorrow morning. Her grandfather and Howard were running mates. Like brothas from anotha motha. Even at their advanced age you knew it was going to be interesting when they got together.
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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2011, 09:28:42 PM »
Dude, seriously? She was still family. I had to get a ticket for my wife last night for a trip to Dulles so she could drive to Martinsburg, West Virginia because her uncle, grandfather's cousin Howard is dying. He's a DIEHARD Democrat, but he's a retired US Army First Sergeant. Trust me, we've had SEVERAL heated discussions, but that man was damn good to Kim, and us. Kim is a favorite among the older crew because she's old-fashioned and respectful as hell, unlike the many grandchildren of the different families, ESPECIALLY the great grandchildren. He was old school Democrat, but he was a very good guy.

As mentioned, neither the neighbor's wife or her brother, a year and a half older, ever knew Auntie sane; she had become a hippie during the late 1960s, did soft and hard drugs, lived on communes in Colorado and New Mexico, generally ****ed around, and so by the mid-1970s was out of her mind.  She became a ward of the taxpayers of Missouri about that time.  She was never "here."

Unlike your relatives, Auntie never did a constructive or useful thing in her life.

Because "family visits" are in theory "therapeutic," Auntie spent Thanksgiving, two days, with the neighbor's wife up here and Christmas, two days, with the neighbor's wife's brother's family south of Kansas City.  There was some welfare worker in Kansas City originally from northern Iowa "qualified" to handle Auntie, and so the two of them for years took the bus up to Sioux City, where he went east and she came west.

It was a good deal for the guy; since he was "escorting" Auntie, his was a paid trip home for the holiday, and the days he was home, were paid days for him.  I went with the neighbor one time--I think it was the third time I met Auntie--and it freaked me out, that the neighbor had to "sign" for Auntie, another human being, and then when taking her back to the bus depot, the other guy had to "sign" for her.

That really freaked me out, this signing for another human being, as if a shipment of freight.

She was on shitloads of drugs (prescribed pharmaceuticals).

I always considered Auntie the poster child of the Age of Aquarius.
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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2011, 07:53:14 AM »
Nobody lives forever, but I feel a little sad knowing Auntie is not going to be with us this year.

The second time I met Auntie was Thanksgiving 2006, about a year after I'd moved out here from town.

The neighbor's family says Grace before every meal.

I know, I know, but we can't help ourselves; we're all fundies out here after all.

Auntie never cared for that, or any other mention of God; she'd sit there and glower.

At that second Thanksgiving, I announced I'd like to do the Grace, but in Latin.

Since Auntie could get rather unstable at times, it was carefully explained to her that the language would be unusual to her, because it wasn't English, but rather an ancient language.  She thought the idea cool, thinking it was going to be in one of these hip, trendy, with-it, cool southern Asian languages, such as Hindu, Sanskrit, Dravidian, Assamese, Bengali, Chhattisgarhi, Kashmiri, Punjabi, Sindhi, Tamil, Urdu, whatnot.

She knew nothing of these languages; only that because they were used by Buddhists, they were cool.

So I did a prayer in Latin, a short one, six sentences.

Auntie got all red, and seemed to billow; swell and shrink, swell and shrink.

What I actually recited, in Latin, was a medieval prayer for exorcism; "Behold the Cross of the Lord, flee away ye hostile forces; the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, hath conquered....."

It was just really weird, watching her.  She was always hostile to me after that.
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Re: franksolich has an overnight primitive guest
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2011, 07:58:05 AM »
Sad story Frank, Sad people bounce into our lives from time to time.

Mom is a hard Ass about this, she tried to teach me to stay away from anyone with a hard luck story. Do not encourage these people she would tell me from my first memory's.

So as a normal kid I rebelled and to my miss fortune found the people I felt the sorriest for were the first to walk out the door with my TV and Sterio. Did I learn then, NO, I went on to still feel sorry for down on their luck people until I got taken for thousands of dollars and 30 years of memorabilia by a family with 3 kids, wife pregnant that hired a big  U Haul and cleaned out my house including the stove, refer. the wood stove, my furniture -----I came home from work to find my home swept cleaner then when I bought it.

It took years for me to realise that not only strangers but some in the family with hard luck storeys would steal the dentures out of Moms mouth or go through my medicine cabinet looking for any medication I needed to sell.

It is a heart breaker to turn away those that have needs that one can give with no sweat off our back. BUT, Mom was right and is still right as mothers so often are.

The last rape of my emotions took place when I took in a grand child of 24, she managed to tried to clean me out, lucky I had a big, big gun safe I kept my family jewerly in and credit cards etc.  Darn she even hit my Mother her great grandmothers home and stole Lord knows what.

 My daughter, as a mother will do, tried to protect her, but now I cast a sideways glance at her. Have people no shame ???

I do respect your neighbor who took in Auntie each year, a good and decent act, as long as Auntie did not steal the spoons, clog up the toilets or set fire to the kitchen.

Today I find that there is a fine line between being an enabler and true help.  So I have just quit, it hurts to know anyone stranger, friend or family may be down on their luck,  need my help, but trying to understand what is enabling and what is help for real is getting too difficult for me.



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Re: franksolich has an overnight primitive guest
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2011, 08:02:51 AM »
She knew nothing of these languages; only that because they were used by Buddhists, they were cool.

So I did a prayer in Latin, a short one, six sentences.

Auntie got all red, and seemed to billow; swell and shrink, swell and shrink.

What I actually recited, in Latin, was a medieval prayer for exorcism; "Behold the Cross of the Lord, flee away ye hostile forces; the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, hath conquered....."

It was just really weird, watching her.  She was always hostile to me after that.

Curiouser and curiouser.  

Isn't it odd that as "isolated" as you and I live, we meet quite the variety of people?  

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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2011, 08:04:26 AM »
Curiouser and curiouser.  

Isn't it odd that as "isolated" as you and I live, we meet quite the variety of people?

Yes, you out there and me out here, where there's few people, but fortunately the odd ones don't live here.
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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2011, 08:19:27 AM »
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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2011, 08:26:02 AM »
Curiouser and curiouser.

You know, madam, I'm really a nice guy, one of the nicest guys one can ever hope to meet, and my main principle when dealing with vulnerable people about whose ailments I know not is "first, do no harm."

I look for the "hot buttons" and usually try to avoid pushing them.

Auntie was a nutcase, pure and simple, and certain things could "trigger" her, most especially any mention of God.

Now, I get sick and tired of people antagonistic about God; God Is, and there's not a damned thing one can do about it, so one might as well accept, adapt, and move on.

Being a Roman Catholic, there are, uh, certain things that one doesn't take less than seriously, Evil among them.

Evil is an Infinite quality, not understandable in the finite human mind, and so one doesn't mess with it.  Best to let God handle it.

But being human, I get s-o-o-o-o irked at times with God-haters, even if they're insane.

I'd learned this particular prayer in speech therapy; memorized it for practice (as a tool for pronunciation, not for exorcism), Deinde muniat se et obsessum signo crucis, imponat extremam partem stoae collo ejus, et dextera manu sua capiti ejus imposita, constanter et magna cum fide dicat ea quae sequuntur: Ecce Crucem Dómini, fúgite, partes advérae.  Vicit leo de tribu Judah, radix David.

Because of the quality of my voice, I've oftentimes been called upon to deliver prayers, and even a eulogy here and there; I'm great at delivering eulogies.

Now, Auntie didn't know Latin, probably didn't even know Latin was a language, but it sort of freaked me, watching her.  It was as if she did really understand what I was saying, and resented it.
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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2011, 08:50:36 AM »
Sad story Frank, Sad people bounce into our lives from time to time.

Mom is a hard Ass about this, she tried to teach me to stay away from anyone with a hard luck story. Do not encourage these people she would tell me from my first memory's.

So as a normal kid I rebelled and to my miss fortune found the people I felt the sorriest for were the first to walk out the door with my TV and Sterio. Did I learn then, NO, I went on to still feel sorry for down on their luck people until I got taken for thousands of dollars and 30 years of memorabilia by a family with 3 kids, wife pregnant that hired a big  U Haul and cleaned out my house including the stove, refer. the wood stove, my furniture -----I came home from work to find my home swept cleaner then when I bought it.

It took years for me to realise that not only strangers but some in the family with hard luck storeys would steal the dentures out of Moms mouth or go through my medicine cabinet looking for any medication I needed to sell.

It is a heart breaker to turn away those that have needs that one can give with no sweat off our back. BUT, Mom was right and is still right as mothers so often are.

The last rape of my emotions took place when I took in a grand child of 24, she managed to tried to clean me out, lucky I had a big, big gun safe I kept my family jewerly in and credit cards etc.  Darn she even hit my Mother her great grandmothers home and stole Lord knows what.

 My daughter, as a mother will do, tried to protect her, but now I cast a sideways glance at her. Have people no shame ???

I do respect your neighbor who took in Auntie each year, a good and decent act, as long as Auntie did not steal the spoons, clog up the toilets or set fire to the kitchen.

Today I find that there is a fine line between being an enabler and true help.  So I have just quit, it hurts to know anyone stranger, friend or family may be down on their luck,  need my help, but trying to understand what is enabling and what is help for real is getting too difficult for me.




And that, as the kids say today, is Werd.

Mom was right.  How long it seems to take for us to learn that lesson.  Kind of like a curse for not listening the first time , eh?


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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2011, 09:10:11 AM »
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Oh now, madam, you know if you were a guest here, or if I were a guest in your home, it wouldn't happen.

Between 6:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. every day of the week, every day of the year, I'm around here attired with military-like propriety and sharpness.

But when I hit the sack, it's a reasonable assumption that nobody's coming by.

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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2011, 09:15:40 AM »
Mom was right.  How long it seems to take for us to learn that lesson.  Kind of like a curse for not listening the first time, eh?

That was the deal with Auntie, growing up in suburban Kansas City during the 1950s and 1960s.

Utterly intractable, despite being surrounded by a loving family, friends, and neighbors.

Even did LSD before she did dope, about when she was fourteen.

Lived in a few different hippie communes in Kansas and Colorado--you know the setting, where the guys just sat around and "philosophized" while the women did all the work, where the women were just toys for the guys.

Yeah, real liberated, the hippie communes were.

Again, that's why I've always considered Auntie the poster child of the Age of Aquarius.
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Re: franksolich has an overnight primitive guest
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2011, 09:32:18 AM »
That was the deal with Auntie, growing up in suburban Kansas City during the 1950s and 1960s.

Utterly intractable, despite being surrounded by a loving family, friends, and neighbors.

Even did LSD before she did dope, about when she was fourteen.

Lived in a few different hippie communes in Kansas and Colorado--you know the setting, where the guys just sat around and "philosophized" while the women did all the work, where the women were just toys for the guys.

Yeah, real liberated, the hippie communes were.

Again, that's why I've always considered Auntie the poster child of the Age of Aquarius.

I was one of the fast learners which may also be attributed to luck of the gene pool or a mother who refused to take no as any kind of serious answer when it came to dispensing advice and consent.  Lord knows my wild and misspent youth provided me plenty opportunity to meet the wrong crowd.

I (along with another roommate) had to throw out a roommate back in the day when we found out he was enjoying the favors of a fourteen year old and I would almost gurantee LSD was involved.   
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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2011, 09:41:54 AM »
I was one of the fast learners which may also be attributed to luck of the gene pool or a mother who refused to take no as any kind of serious answer when it came to dispensing advice and consent.  Lord knows my wild and misspent youth provided me plenty opportunity to meet the wrong crowd.

I (along with another roommate) had to throw out a roommate back in the day when we found out he was enjoying the favors of a fourteen year old and I would almost gurantee LSD was involved.

You know, I don't recall any major, lasting, conflicts between the parents and myself when I was growing up, but I do recall some rather, uh, spectacular ones between the older brothers and sisters and the parents.

Of course, the difference was that we were actually two "families;" six boys and girls had when the parents were young, and two boys had when the parents were getting grey.  There was an eight-year gap between the first family and the second (I was second from last, having a younger brother).

The parents were medically- and scientifically-influenced (not itself a bad thing, but it can be carried too far, being thought of as a cure-all), and so raised the first six by the book of Dr. Benjamin Spock.  After the sixth was born, they threw the book away, figuring they wouldn't need it any more.

But many years later, ooops, I came along, and then the younger brother.  No longer having the book around, the parents had to raise the two of us by parental instinct and intuition instead.
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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2011, 11:20:20 AM »
You know, I don't recall any major, lasting, conflicts between the parents and myself when I was growing up, but I do recall some rather, uh, spectacular ones between the older brothers and sisters and the parents.

Of course, the difference was that we were actually two "families;" six boys and girls had when the parents were young, and two boys had when the parents were getting grey.  There was an eight-year gap between the first family and the second (I was second from last, having a younger brother).

The parents were medically- and scientifically-influenced (not itself a bad thing, but it can be carried too far, being thought of as a cure-all), and so raised the first six by the book of Dr. Benjamin Spock.  After the sixth was born, they threw the book away, figuring they wouldn't need it any more.

But many years later, ooops, I came along, and then the younger brother.  No longer having the book around, the parents had to raise the two of us by parental instinct and intuition instead.

Frank, I am an only child raised by over protective parents, I spent many year living with both sets of grandparents while my parents were out of the country, Dad was NAVY.

So when Dad retired and I went to live full time with my parents, the difference in generations became very clear to me.    First both sets of grandparents had experience with the WW1 the depression, WW2 and Korea.  Mom and dad WW2 Korea and Nam.

Both grandmothers were teachers and when I brought home my history books, both would get upset as they knew things were slightly skewed from what they had seen and knew from their lives.   They would point out omissions or down right untruths to me.   I could of course not bring their observations up in class to the teacher or face getting whacked on the knuckles with a wooden ruler for insubordination.

My parents were law and order Military, no questions asked, just follow orders.   I tended to follow my grandparents line of thought that I needed to investigate and think for myself.    This comes with a price thinking for oneself, asking uncomfortable question of Adults, and wondering why the answers were strange to me.

I got into trouble for asking question most of my childhood.  My pastor had a fit when explaining the Trinity and I asked if we were worshiping 3 Gods and who the Holy Ghost was, I did not believe in ghosts and it upset me to think there were ghosts really alive and about.     Mom got a very strange call from the Pastor to suggest I needed to see a head shrink.---I was 9 years old at the time and really wanted to know.

Think and question every thing, turn everything upside down, look at both sides of and what you hear, read or taught.   Somewhere I rebelled from the follow the  orders, question no superiors, teachers or the establishment,  often to my dismay I found I should have listened to the establishment, but then if I had life would have been so easy, no leasons to learn, just to march to someone Else's drummer.

 Darn I would have been in drawn into the Drug scene and who knows what would have happend if I followed the experts on College campuses DR. Timothy Leary.   Had I listened to the top notch politicos of the day, I may have been drawn into the antiwar groups or even ended out on a ranch listening to Charles Manson.

Parents were a follow the law, question no one over you, they all want the best for you.

Grandparent teachings of question authority, teachers and every thing one reads in the newspaper, hears on the radio or sees on TV,  saved me.   They encouraged me to get out there and see for myself both sides of life. God Bless them, they were weird by the standards of the day, but the one thing they had a hard time with me was I rebelled and for years refused to believe that some people are Evil.    Guess I learned my lesson.   

     


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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2011, 11:20:51 AM »
Oh now, madam, you know if you were a guest here, or if I were a guest in your home, it wouldn't happen.

Between 6:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. every day of the week, every day of the year, I'm around here attired with military-like propriety and sharpness.

But when I hit the sack, it's a reasonable assumption that nobody's coming by.


The prospect of the sleeping beast awakening to the sight of Franksolich in his birthday suit brandishing a brazier did make me chuckle a bit.
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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2011, 11:40:54 AM »
The prospect of the sleeping beast awakening to the sight of franksolich in his birthday suit brandishing a brazier did make me chuckle a bit.

You know, nobody around here's ever really commented about it, other than a few witticisms by the neighbor.

Of course, the "exposure" in the middle of the night's excluded old people, children, and ladies; not the types of people to be wandering around at that time.

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