Lipshits pizzed her hoodlum daughter got arrested

[Tucker]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1096244

lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri May-13-11 02:00 PM
Original message
DU Legal Minds--Need Some Help
   
Despite being in the publishing business, I'm at the production end, and not well-informed regarding editorial ethics.

My 17-year-old daughter was arrested last week for a misdemeanor offense, along with 2 older boys. Today's paper published an article stating their names, ages, and addresses. While I'm sure this is technically *legal,* it seems awfully unethical and an unnecessary invasion of our privacy.

I wrote to the paper and received a "go **** yourself" reply to the tune of, "well, if she hadn't committed a crime, her name wouldn't be in the paper." Um, she hasn't been convicted of a damned thing, and I find the sanctimony repugnant in an allegedly professional person who is supposed to maintain a neutral bias.

I cannot understand what can possibly be gained by publishing the name and address of a minor child in the newspaper, except to cause additional distress to the child and other members of the family.

Thoughts?

/off rant, but barely.

Another great job of parenting.

Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri May-13-11 02:07 PM
Response to Original message
1. When someone has been charged, it's news.
   
I can't remember if it's newspaper policy not to name minors charged with crimes, or if it's local/state law not to release names of minors charged. So you'll want to check on that.

I'm curious as to what the reply actually was.

damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri May-13-11 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #1
9. If the paper had the names, then the authorities released them.
   
In any case, reputable papers to not publish the names of minors charged with crimes.

Put em on the front page. Let the neighbors know who to watch out for.

lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri May-13-11 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Untrue facts? Huh?
   
They published that she was arrested, where, when, and what for. Nothing not factual about it. My objection is that they published her name and address.

Here is the complete text of the reporter's reply:

"It is our editorial policy to use whatever identification an arresting agency provides to us. Some departments only provide a defendant's hometown. Others, including the County Sheriff's Office, which provided this information, give us the defendant's street address and house number. The press release that contained the information was distributed to The News and many other news agencies. I apologize for whatever stress I have caused to you and your family by doing my job. But the simple fact is that had these individuals not participated in these alleged crimes, we would not be having this conversation."

Just because someone gives you the information doesn't mean you have to publish it. There is simply nothing to be gained, and only more harm to be caused.

And I am deeply annoyed at the presumption of guilt in the reporter's last sentence.

(For the record, the "alleged" crime is graffiti. It's not like she's a sexual predator or an axe murderer)

They published your address.

lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri May-13-11 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #11
18. It was on the front page of the "local" section
   
You are correct, that I probably don't need any legal advice regarding the issue, as the newspaper can publish anything that isn't libelous.

It's more a question of ethics. My daughter has an unusual name and wouldn't be confused with anybody else. I simply cannot understand why her complete address needed to be published. How is that in the public interest? It's causing harm to me and to her personally. We had hoped to keep the incident quiet, as it's minor and doesn't need to be the talk of the town. What is to be gained by stigmatizing a high school kid as a criminal?

You're also correct that my fit of personal pique isn't relevant to the discussion except inasmuch as my daughter attempted suicide after her arrest (she has a history, although this was her first run-in with the law) and is now hospitalized. If and when she sees this article, it's not going to improve matters, and I very much have a dog in that hunt. It's none of that reporter's business, but the article has made our situation worse.

As mentioned above. Great job of rearing your kid. The kid is probably neurotic wondering who her Daddy is.

Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri May-13-11 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #6
15. Was this in a "matters of record" or an actual article?
   
In any case, again, if she's been charged not in juvenile court, which seems to be the case, the paper was within its rights, and I don't see a problem with what it did.

lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri May-13-11 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #15
22. When it's your kid, call me
   
When every kid in the high school is FB posting about it, talk to me. When your kid is on suicide watch, let's talk about how something can be legal but not ethical.

Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri May-13-11 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #22
28. That's obviously distressing.
   
How is the reporter supposed to know your daughter is on suicide watch and should not be named? You are angry and hurt; what you want is just not going to happen, nor should it.

lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri May-13-11 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #28
39. Oh, I know.
   
Of course the reporter wasn't to know. But if they had a more compassionate/ethical editorial policy in place, "this conversation wouldn't be taking place." I wouldn't have an extra worry on my head.

I have a deep and abiding personal code: what's said can never be unsaid. So I am very, very careful in my choice of words. Is what I say going to harm someone, even unintentionally?

I am forever apologizing on these boards because sometimes even my well-meaning wisecracks can and do offend.

When in doubt, leave it out.

We know what your ethical code. Membership in DU speaks volumes as no one there has any ethics or morals.

MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri May-13-11 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #6
23. Hmm...Apparently that paper publishes names.   Updated at 8:38 PM
   
Edited on Fri May-13-11 03:29 PM by MineralMan
At 17, kids are supposed to know better than to put graffiti on stuff. It's not like it's a heinous crime or anything, but I imagine that whoever owned the property that was the beneficiary of the kids' artwork is not amused.

I'll tell you what my father would have done. He'd have called me a dumbass and said it was fine that I was embarrassed by the publication of my name. Then, he'd have pulled my driver's license for a month or so. After that he'd have marched me down to the location where the graffiti was located and arranged with the owner for me to scrub it off and repaint property, if needed.

That's why I never did shit like that. I knew it was wrong.



Note to add: I posted before you posted what your kid did after being arrested. I hope she's OK. My description of my father's response still stands, though. I have removed other parts of my post.

.

 

lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri May-13-11 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. I usally love your posts, MineralMan
   
And I know where to find sympathy in the dictionary, between "shit" and "syphilis."

Where you're wrong is that my kid may NOT get over having her name in the paper. She's currently on suicide watch at a mental health facility. The punks she was with slipped her roofies and other drugs and she wouldn't rat them out for all the tea in China.

She's had her license pulled, and she knows what she did was wrong. She'll be doing community service for a long time, if she ever gets out of the hospital. But, she has a history, and this incident put her in a very black place.

I have never ever asked for sympathy on these boards. I do expect compassion, however.

lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Fri May-13-11 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. The police hand out the info
   
Just because the paper CAN publish the names and addresses doesn't mean they SHOULD. I am now happily occupied in the mother of all flame wars with this asshole of a sanctimonious reporter.

A little bit of, "OK, probably a bad call, sorry," would have gone a long way. Do not poke sleeping tigers.
   Prin

You DUmmies and their liberal newspapers have been publishing the names and addresses of concealed permit holders for years. States have had to enact laws to stop you.

You ****ing hypocrites.

[JohnnyReb]

Son makes headlines this week and I'll make them the next week.

"DAD BEATS HELL OUT OF SON"

[Karin]

She goes on and on and on at the DUmp, repeating herself ad nauseum.  What this was, was an excellent opportunity to discuss consequences.  We see this in these parenting stories again and again over there.  They want to shield their little darlings from anything, including themselves and the stupid shit they do. 

Yes, getting your name in the paper is a bitch.  So don't do stupid shit like that. 

[Rebel]

Try it here, DUmbass. They put your ass in a publication called "The Jail Report" and sell'em for a buck a pop. They also have a FB page:

http://www.facebook.com/thejailreport

[ChuckJ]

lapislzi   (1000+ posts)             Fri May-13-11 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. Read some of my older posts and you'll know.
   
Legal information is easy to obtain. I have no interest in prosecuting the paper.

My concerns are moral and ethical. I'd like the paper to review its editorial policy to consider the age of the accused, the crime of which they're accused, and the possible repercussions of publications of the accused's address.

She's 17 years old and this was a piddling offense. Of course the location where the graffiti incident took place is the political plum of the county (a pork project brought home by the local politico), so my guess is that's why a graffiti incident is getting so much attention.

My kid's already on suicide watch. What do you think will happen if she finds out about this article--and eventually, she will?

What are one's responsibilities when dealing with child offenders in the media?

This thing is kind of strange to me. I rowed over to the island and read some more. From the initial posts lips makes it sound, at least to me, like the article was what caused the suicide watch, but the above posts says otherwise.

Regardless of her daughter's crime I do hope she recovers.

[NHSparky]

Where you're wrong is that my kid may NOT get over having her name in the paper. She's currently on suicide watch at a mental health facility. The punks she was with slipped her roofies and other drugs and she wouldn't rat them out for all the tea in China.

Actions do in fact have consequences.  Who knew?

And in a semi-related story, the case of a 20-year old woman who was missing for several days (North Conway, 14-month old in running car, doors open) who turned up dead now appears to have had a history of drug dealing and her death is most likely a case of a drug deal gone bad.  Again--actions, consequences, all that shit.

Maybe if your daughter has better taste in friends she wouldn't be where she is now.  Maybe if you did a better job of parenting and allowing (or not allowing) her to run with certain crowds, she wouldn't be where she is now.  Bottom line, quit running to DU for sympathy for your (and her) ****ups.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Attempted suicide

Misdeamenor graffitti

Running with 2 boys


Hey mom, instead of teaching your child how to feel cheated and outraged over things you're culpable for how about you pay some real attention to your child because she's obviously looking for attention.

The next headling should read: STUPID TWUNT STANDS IDLY BY AS DAUGHTER BECOMES STRIPPER, JOINS BIKER GANG

[Tucker]

Try it here, DUmbass. They put your ass in a publication called "The Jail Report" and sell'em for a buck a pop. They also have a FB page:

http://www.facebook.com/thejailreport

Funny stuff. From that link.

Cleopatra Monroe


I see now the case involving my brother Johndrick Barnes is not about who did what or who is guilty or innocent....it is mostly about black and white and trust me you guys will be held accountable for all of the negative comments and racial slurs you guys have said amongst my brothers name! My brother is most definently innocent becau...se I am his sister and I know him better than all of you caucasians that are strangers to us!! I live in columbia, sc and have graduated from college and I am now a nurse and have friends that are caucasians that have graduated and attended University of South Carolina and they are no where as hateful as you guys so trust me you all will eat the words you have said to slander my brothers name!! Lord have mercy all your souls and I will be greeting you guys in court! God bless!

[miskie]

"Just because someone gives you the information doesn't mean you have to publish it. There is simply nothing to be gained, and only more harm to be caused."

Aww - did your family get 'wikileaked' ?

It's not fun when its factual, yet personal data about you, is it ?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Aww - did your family get 'wikileaked' ?

heh

[Mr Mannn]

OK, lets add things up.

Its not just graffiti.
1) Daughter has a history of getting in trouble with the cops.
2) She hangs out with Ner-do-wells, probably gang members.
3) She uses drugs. The gang supplied her with drugs.
4) Daughter is mentally unstable. Suicidal even.
5) Child is 17, will legally be an adult in a few months.
6) She is NOT being tried as a minor, but as an adult (that means a serious history with the cops!).

adding it all up, we have a hellion child, raised by an uncaring moonbat hellion parent.
The child is facing much deserved consequences for years of illegal activity and mommy can't get her out of it this time.

I think mommy dearest is more upset that the address is published and the property owners now know who to sue for damages.

Its just sad we have to read how DUmmies ruin the lives of their children. Lurking DUmmies, if you read this its true. Liberalism hurts children.

[dutch508]

Attempted suicide

Misdeamenor graffitti

Running with 2 boys


Hey mom, instead of teaching your child how to feel cheated and outraged over things you're culpable for how about you pay some real attention to your child because she's obviously looking for attention.

The next headling should read: STUPID TWUNT STANDS IDLY BY AS DAUGHTER BECOMES STRIPPER, JOINS BIKER GANG

hey, hey, hey...Bikers need love too, dammit.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Yes, getting your name in the paper is a bitch.  So don't do stupid shit like that. 

There it is.

 

[Celtic Rose]

I think I may have found the story:

CARMEL - Putnam deputies on bicycles nabbed three suspects last week on the Putnam County Trailway after the deputies spotted one of them making graffiti, police said today.

The suspects — two Carmel men and a Patterson woman — were arrested May 6 after a brief pursuit.

Deputies Randel Hill and Edward Kennedy of the sheriff's bike patrol were on the trailway about 10:50 p.m. when they saw one man spray-painting an underpass at Seminary Hill Road as two other people watched, police said.

Rest of the story here

[thundley4]

I think I may have found the story:

Rest of the story here

Wonder if this is what the DUmmie is really worried about?

Police said the three could face jail time if convicted and could be forced to pay the cost to repair the vandalism.

[DefiantSix]

I think I may have found the story:

Rest of the story here

Ding! ding! ding! ding!

I do believe we have a winnah!

[compaqxp]

One of the few reasons I want to live in the US is the fact people under 18 can have there names published after committing a crime. Here thanks to the "Young Offenders Act" their names are kept hidden from everyone, along with most other info.

[thundley4]

Ding! ding! ding! ding!

I do believe we have a winnah!

If it is, she's a cute girl.

[Chris_]

Bullet Hole Road

Must be a nice neighborhood.

[Tucker]

I think I may have found the story:

Rest of the story here

Good job.

Isn't that Clint Eastwood's domain?

[DefiantSix]

Good job.

Isn't that Clint Eastwood's domain?

You're thinking Carmel Califunny.  Other side of the country.

[Tucker]

You're thinking Carmel Califunny.  Other side of the country.

Ah! Had to go back and look closer. Hell. Isn't New York totally covered in graffiti?

[Evil_Conservative]

When I was 17, I was charged with disorderly conduct.  Name, age, address, charge was publish in the paper the next day.  Big deal.  Get over it.  Teenagers. 

[Chris_]

Same here.  The court dropped the charges after I did what they told me to.  I never did it again.

C'est la vie. 

ETA: I moved back here after spending most of a decade in another state.  While I was getting back on my feet, I came across an announcement in the paper that someone I know (same name) was arrested yet again. 

Oh well.  Live and learn.

[NHSparky]

I think I may have found the story:

Rest of the story here

Carmel?  Little scrunt should consider herself lucky Clint Eastwood isn't mayor anymore.  She might have had him go all Dirty Harry on her ass.

ETA: Memo to self.  Read ENTIRE thread before making subsequent posts.  But it would be a nice thought.