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Ebonics Rules Some
« on: June 08, 2011, 11:51:05 AM »
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Dennis Prager 
Accusation that Voter ID Is Racist Demeans Blacks
6/7/2011 | Email Dennis Prager | Columnist's Archive

While dining out last week, I periodically looked up at one of the television monitors to see the score of the first game of the NBA finals. As there was no sound on to interrupt diners' conversations, the monitor was in caption mode: One could read rather than hear the words spoken. At the conclusion of the game, an announcer was interviewing a member of the victorious Miami Heat players. I saw from the captions the player saying the words "they isn't."

Closed captions display the words spoken. They don't correct for poor grammar.

All I could think was: How can a grown man in America today say "they isn't" rather than "they aren't"?

First, how is it possible for anyone to graduate an American elementary school, not to mention a high school or, most incredibly, attend college, and leave with an inability to conjugate the verb "to be"?

He tells it like it is.

LINK: Dennis Prager article
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Re: Ebonics Rules Some
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2011, 12:36:58 PM »
Racist.





Just kidding.
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Re: Ebonics Rules Some
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2011, 02:27:16 PM »
Ebonics =  lazy english.
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Re: Ebonics Rules Some
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2011, 02:33:53 PM »
Quote from: Wineslob on June 08, 2011, 02:27:16 PM
Ebonics =  lazy english.

= Stoopid = Can't get a job anywhere.
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Re: Ebonics Rules Some
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2011, 02:45:41 PM »
Weird thing is some blacks speak that way among themselves but speak normally when talking to white people.  I've seen it more than a few times at fast food places.
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Re: Ebonics Rules Some
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2011, 02:49:45 PM »
Ebonics.  What a waste of a human mind.  I get calls from black people from time to time who speak so poorly I can't understand what they are saying.  I have actually hung up the phone because it was like I was speaking to someone from a different country. 

I have had a couple call me back who then spoke clearly enough for us to get through a conversation.

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Re: Ebonics Rules Some
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2011, 03:00:28 PM »
Ebonics example.

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Re: Ebonics Rules Some
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2011, 03:03:33 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on June 08, 2011, 02:45:41 PM
Weird thing is some blacks speak that way among themselves but speak normally when talking to white people.  I've seen it more than a few times at fast food places.
You mean like this, or is this reverse Ebonics?

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FlpbRFXC9E[/youtube]
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Re: Ebonics Rules Some
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2011, 03:27:53 PM »
From a linguistic standpoint, it's pretty interesting. It's a form of Pidgin, a conglomeration of different languages meant to be used by a group.

African/Carribbean language has been changing American English for probably more than 400 years. Words like "okay," "banana," "jive," and probably 80 percent of the "cool" language of any given generation can be traced to our African American neighbors. Twain used it in Huckleberry Finn.

There's a standard of English that should be universal, but let's never forget that English changes every day. It pisses me off that "friend" has turned into a verb in the last two years, thanks to Facebook, for example. Five years ago, who would have "friended" somebody?

Quote from: thundley4 on June 08, 2011, 02:45:41 PM
Weird thing is some blacks speak that way among themselves but speak normally when talking to white people.  I've seen it more than a few times at fast food places.

Although it's much more pronounced with black people, we all do that to some extent. I bet you talk to your spouse differently than you talk to your boss. Or your minister differently than your children.

I'm trying not to turn this into a vesta-style post...I hope you guys see where I'm coming from. Linguistics is a bit of a hobby of mine. And it's  summer, so I have no students to bore with this bs. :-)
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Re: Ebonics Rules Some
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2011, 03:51:50 PM »
Quote from: Splashdown on June 08, 2011, 03:27:53 PM
From a linguistic standpoint, it's pretty interesting. It's a form of Pidgin, a conglomeration of different languages meant to be used by a group.

African/Carribbean language has been changing American English for probably more than 400 years. Words like "okay," "banana," "jive," and probably 80 percent of the "cool" language of any given generation can be traced to our African American neighbors. Twain used it in Huckleberry Finn.

There's a standard of English that should be universal, but let's never forget that English changes every day. It pisses me off that "friend" has turned into a verb in the last two years, thanks to Facebook, for example. Five years ago, who would have "friended" somebody?

Although it's much more pronounced with black people, we all do that to some extent. I bet you talk to your spouse differently than you talk to your boss. Or your minister differently than your children.

I'm trying not to turn this into a vesta-style post...I hope you guys see where I'm coming from. Linguistics is a bit of a hobby of mine. And it's  summer, so I have no students to bore with this bs. :-)

Ok ... well then, can you explain this?



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Re: Ebonics Rules Some
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2011, 04:02:04 PM »
Quote from: Texacon on June 08, 2011, 03:51:50 PM
Ok ... well then, can you explain this?



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Re: Ebonics Rules Some
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2011, 04:11:44 PM »
This is how I feel about it.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_KKLkmIrDk[/youtube]

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Re: Ebonics Rules Some
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2011, 04:26:19 PM »
Quote from: Texacon on June 08, 2011, 03:51:50 PM
Ok ... well then, can you explain this?



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Re: Ebonics Rules Some
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2011, 04:54:59 PM »
Now you know why southerners speak slowly...A) half our population doesn't speak proper English so you have to go slow.
B) We have to speak slowly for the DUmb ignorant liberal Yankees that move down here thinking they know everything... BUT...then when all else has failed, we get a redneck and face, veins a pop'n and we can talk faster than a New York City Yankee, cuss more than a US Navy sailor and become meaner and more deadly than a US Marine....those aggravating liberal Yankees at that point usually become very docile, get all bug eyed, tuck their tails between their legs and become about 6 inches shorter.   ...southern blacks see our fits of rage as normal and a "I guess this ain't a good time to ask for a loan/advance, huh bossman." thing... :lmao:

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Re: Ebonics Rules Some
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2011, 05:41:20 PM »
Quote from: Splashdown on June 08, 2011, 03:27:53 PM
From a linguistic standpoint, it's pretty interesting. It's a form of Pidgin, a conglomeration of different languages meant to be used by a group.

African/Carribbean language has been changing American English for probably more than 400 years. Words like "okay," "banana," "jive," and probably 80 percent of the "cool" language of any given generation can be traced to our African American neighbors. Twain used it in Huckleberry Finn.

There's a standard of English that should be universal, but let's never forget that English changes every day. It pisses me off that "friend" has turned into a verb in the last two years, thanks to Facebook, for example. Five years ago, who would have "friended" somebody?

Although it's much more pronounced with black people, we all do that to some extent. I bet you talk to your spouse differently than you talk to your boss. Or your minister differently than your children.

I'm trying not to turn this into a vesta-style post...I hope you guys see where I'm coming from. Linguistics is a bit of a hobby of mine. And it's  summer, so I have no students to bore with this bs. :-)

I'm listening to an Audiobook during my drive to and from work called Adventures of English, and it is basically a history of the English Language starting from Anglo Saxon.  I'm really enjoying it, and I highly recommend it  :cheersmate:
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Re: Ebonics Rules Some
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2011, 04:46:10 PM »
Back in the 90's when Ebonics was all the politically correct rage, a lot of effort was put into making it a separate language. 

One of the more spectacular failures was the Miss Ebonics Beauty Pageant. It was going to be a 50 state event, and drum up major publicity.

The event had to be canceled because, no one wanted to be Miss Idaho.
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Re: Ebonics Rules Some
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2011, 08:09:52 PM »
Youngest daughter has a hearing disability.  Moreso when she was very young, and has largely overcome it.

She spoke in way that sounded like Eubonics.  We lived 12 miles out from a town of 229 white people and 38 miles from a town of 3800 white people in WY.  Her speech therapist told me to stop letting her watch BET, that it had become her critical mass.  Good grief, we didn't have TV and if her critical mass influenced her speech, she would have been moo-ing.

Anyway, it took her a lot of work to overcome.  And it seems it was a lazy way of speaking.

I had co-workers in SC that spoke two distinct ways at work and at home.  The women were the ones to get my daughter on the road to better enunciation once they met her.  They knew what muscles were used for each type of speech and coached her well. 

I am grateful for their help and found the whole process interesting.
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Re: Ebonics Rules Some
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2011, 09:55:52 PM »
Quote from: Mr Mannn on June 09, 2011, 04:46:10 PM
Back in the 90's when Ebonics was all the politically correct rage, a lot of effort was put into making it a separate language. 

One of the more spectacular failures was the Miss Ebonics Beauty Pageant. It was going to be a 50 state event, and drum up major publicity.

The event had to be canceled because, no one wanted to be Miss Idaho.

You are a bad, bad person.   :lol:
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