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The 8 Biggest Lies Men's Rights Activists Spread About Women

1. Feminists hate men, and are out to turn the world against them.

Misandry is too often employed as a catch-all to belittle women's arguments surrounding the patriarchy. But, as Shailene Woodley recently discovered, feminism has nothing to do with hating men. Feminists don't like misogyny and sexism, and sometimes men may be proponents of both, unwitting or otherwise. It's important to recognize this when it happens. see link for additional info.



2. Feminists are hypocrites, because chivalry is a female privilege.

There's a popular meme that says feminists call differential treatment chivalry when we like it and sexism when we don't.

This is false. The supposed "perks" of being a lady are largely the result of "benevolent sexism," a set of behaviors shown to be harmful to both women and social activism specifically because people often fail to see them for what they really are: practices steeped in restrictive stereotypes of masculinity and femininity that hinder gender equality by keeping men in a position of dominance over women. see link for additional info.



3. The courts are biased against men and in favor of women in custody disputes.

One of the biggest sticking points for the MRA community is the argument that the courts actively discriminate against men in custody disputes. While it's true that women more often get custody, it's far more complicated than a systematic bias that turns dads into the real victims of custody battles (as opposed to, you know, the children).

Most disputes* are settled out of court, meaning that custody placement does not rest in the hands of judges (most of whom are men, by the way). Just 4% of cases actually go to trial. And mothers often get custody in large part because, on average, they're still the primary caretakers of children. That's not bias, and it's not even necessarily a good thing. It's just a fact. see link for additional info.



4. Male circumcision is just as bad as female genital mutilation.

Thoughtful consideration of the medical and philosophical implications of circumcision are not without merit, but there is no equivalence in terms of harmful long-term effects between slicing off a young girl's clitoris (and in 80% of cases, the entire labia minora as well) and removing a baby's foreskin. Indeed, 15% of global FGM/C cases involve removing all external genitalia, and sewing up the vaginal opening. see link for additional info.



5. Avoiding conscription is a female privilege.

Many feminists don't support conscription — for anyone. But regardless of whether you agree with a draft in theory, it's important to remember that military action (including the decision to go to war in the first place) has been legislated almost entirely by men, and that women historically have shown less support for war.

Moreover, the exclusion of women from the draft was based on essentialist stereotypes that painted them as weak and with a duty to the home. These stereotypes are, yet again, inherent to patriarchy, and a large part of why women in many countries have had to fight for their right to serve today (and, as the Women's Research and Education Institute points out, remain barred from certain positions "necessary or advantageous to advancement and promotion"). see link for additional info.

We have a draft?

6. Men's media depiction is worse than women's.

Nearly every time an article is published about women's media representation, some commenters will inevitably point out that men get objectified, too. As Men's Journal notes, men are held to increasingly demanding standards of physical masculinity. But — here we go — these standards are again based upon rigid, patriarchal stereotypes of what it means to be a man. And while it's true that men are increasingly seeing chiseled images of their gender in advertising and media (deemed by AdWeek to be "hunkvertising"), men do not face equal expectations of physical attractiveness. see link for additional info.




7. False rape allegations are endemic.

No one denies that false accusations are terrible to experience. But the fear some men appear to harbor of being falsely accused is wildly out of sync with the actual rate at which this occurs. Worse, this excessive paranoia can lead to the silencing of survivors — of any gender — who fear they won't be believed if they come forward. see link for additional info.



8. Feminists want to turn everything into rape.

Also inherent to the fear of false rape allegations is the idea that new conceptions of rape are terribly murky and complicated, resulting in the criminalization of "hookup culture" and supposedly well-intentioned guys getting accused of violating willing (read: drunk) women. see link for additional info.


I wanted to try and give a little snippet to each point, but there is a lot more info and explanation at this link:

http://www.policymic.com/articles/90131/the-8-biggest-lies-men-s-rights-activists-spread-about-women

Please try to give it a read prior to responding, so we are all on the same page as to what is being said, with the hope we can have a better conversation.


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Re: The 8 Biggest Lies Men's Rights Activists Spread About Women
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2014, 09:29:39 AM »


The vigina militia are out for blood in that thread... oh... was that phrase somehow sexist?
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You opened your mouth....that's sexist.
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Re: The 8 Biggest Lies Men's Rights Activists Spread About Women
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2014, 09:30:33 AM »


The vigina militia are out for blood in that thread... oh... was that phrase somehow sexist?

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Re: The 8 Biggest Lies Men's Rights Activists Spread About Women
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2014, 10:09:52 AM »
I prefer Gyn-stapo but I'm sure that's sexist as well...
Not knowing that it is sexist is sexist.
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Re: The 8 Biggest Lies Men's Rights Activists Spread About Women
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2014, 10:21:12 AM »
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1. Feminists hate men, and are out to turn the world against them.

Misandry is too often employed as a catch-all to belittle women's arguments surrounding the patriarchy. But, as Shailene Woodley recently discovered, feminism has nothing to do with hating men. Feminists don't like misogyny and sexism, and sometimes men may be proponents of both, unwitting or otherwise. It's important to recognize this when it happens. see link for additional info.

Some of them certainly do, but for the most part, it's a matter of control, not hate.  What feminists actually want to do is control men and make them subordinate everything masculine in their nature to the interests of women.  They are totally fine with one gender lording it over the other...as long as it's theirs that gets to be in charge.

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7. False rape allegations are endemic.

No one denies that false accusations are terrible to experience. But the fear some men appear to harbor of being falsely accused is wildly out of sync with the actual rate at which this occurs.

Which is completely unknown, since the only ones we know about are the ones that get busted, and even then, most of those STILL go into various versions of sexual assault stats even if recanted or disproven.  Nor is there any uniformity in the stats that do exist...feminists, the military, the universities, and law enforcement (In descending levels of all-inclusiveness) all have entirely different systems of measuring the claims of female complainants.   
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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2014, 10:54:27 AM »
Not knowing that it is sexist is sexist.
Saying that not knowing that it is sexist is sexist...is sexist
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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2014, 11:40:00 AM »
It looks like to me the Boston bean primitive's trying to pre-empt, to take over the jobs of, the unHoly Trinity of the women's libbers, the seabeyond bitch, the redqueen, and the BainsBane primitive.

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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2014, 12:55:19 PM »
Feminists sure don`t know much about real women or themselves do they?

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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2014, 01:12:03 PM »
Saying that not knowing that it is sexist is sexist...is sexist
Pointing out that saying "that not knowing that it is sexist is sexist...is sexist" is even more sexist...and might just be racist too.
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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2014, 03:39:58 PM »

Why is her mouth twisted?......does she have intimate knowledge of Bill Clinton or something.
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2014, 04:24:10 PM »
Why is her mouth twisted?......does she have intimate knowledge of Bill Clinton or something.

I didn't even notice her mouth  :naughty:






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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2014, 05:15:26 PM »
I didn't even notice her mouth  :naughty:
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Oh Gina, you are so interesting.       

What's with these Men's Rights stuff.     When has men not owned the world ?

Sure woman could fight and storm another land.      However 9 months out a year she had to protect her baby and hide in a cave or find a male to protect her and the life she had growing in her body

Unless one lives in Israel woman or females are not expect to fight for freedom., They as the men are expected to defend the home land.

  Why not, when it comes to the time to back up the men fighting for their family's lives, and homes, what's with the woman that do not  back up their MAN.

Could it be a female chose a wimpy man that seemed to need a momma ?

Darn girls. we need a sire for our children, An honest man, a male that welcomes each and every baby-------Willing to change nasty diapers, get up at 2Am to feed the  child of his Seed  or a child of another's  so you can get some rest.

 

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I didn't even notice her mouth  :naughty:

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The 8 Biggest Lies Men's Rights Activists Spread About Women
Wait a minute. There are Men's Rights Activists?

I'm aware there are mens's rights groups organized around divorce case...But Now we have a massive all powerful organization out to spread propaganda about little miss helpless, victimized, Lesbian, Feminist bitches.

If this MRA actually exists, How do I join, and where do I send money?

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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2014, 12:34:03 PM »
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Crap I think you're right!

That is why they look like water balloons -- they ARE water balloons..
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