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Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« on: June 01, 2008, 04:55:03 PM »
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OhioChick  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jun-01-08 05:30 PM
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Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
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One of my kid's friends lives in Cleveland and he said that things have gotten so bad in Cleveland as of late, he's afraid to go out after dark. For some time now, people have been going into homes that were "for sale" or abandoned and gutting all of the copper out for scrap. Now, they're hitting the homes that people live in....during the day when most are at work.

Most people no longer can leave lounge chairs, lawn mowers or grills outdoors unattended, any longer. My kid's friend said that his family had everything usually kept outdoors stolen, so now have their used grill and lawn mower they purchased is kept in their living/dining rooms.

The newest thing that he told me last night was the city was having problems with gas siphoning...(that's a given) but a group of people going around late at night and stealing the catalytic converters off of the older cars for scrap. I cannot imagine using a hand saw to get one of those off, so they must be using a reciprocating saw which I would tend to think would be as loud as hell in the middle of the night.

From what he said, citizens of Cleveland call the police, but unfortunately.....they never show up. Things are very, very bad here.

To make matters worse, I heard within the past month or two that they've closed down one of Cleveland's police precincts....

On Edit to Add: Too much in the way of job loss here....and it isn't ending.

 
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Mojambo  (1000+ posts)       Sun Jun-01-08 05:39 PM
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Police can't respond? I guess we'll just have to hire some private contractors...
 How long before the first stateside "Iraqi style" bloodbath happens here?

I honestly think that if private contractors start patrolling US city streets, a second revolution won't be far off.
 
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alfredo  (1000+ posts)       Sun Jun-01-08 05:34 PM
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3. Budget cuts and many being deployed over and over again has decimated
 our police and fire departments. 
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jody  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jun-01-08 05:41 PM
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15. SCOTUS says government is not obligated to protect an individual unless she/he is in custody & that
 includes property.

Defense of self and property is a personal problem and unfortunately citizens of Cleveland are finding out the hard way.


How awful, the people of Cleveland should vote out their Republican administration ... oh...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3372023
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2008, 04:56:44 PM »
I don't think most of our grandparents were out of childhood yet, the last time Cleveland had a Republican mayor.

So who's to blame?
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2008, 04:59:51 PM »
Yup. Demcratic run government through and through.

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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2008, 05:01:11 PM »
Didn't Dennis Kucinich used to be mayor of Cleveland? 
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2008, 05:01:49 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on June 01, 2008, 04:56:44 PM
I don't think most of our grandparents were out of childhood yet, the last time Cleveland had a Republican mayor.

So who's to blame?

Voinovich was mayor during the 80s when we lived in Cleveland but he's a 'rat in disguise, so he doesn't count. Also it's been like this in the city for 30 years, where has the DUmmy been?
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2008, 05:37:47 PM »
Quote from: blitzkrieg_17 on June 01, 2008, 05:01:49 PM
Quote from: franksolich on June 01, 2008, 04:56:44 PM
I don't think most of our grandparents were out of childhood yet, the last time Cleveland had a Republican mayor.

So who's to blame?

Voinovich was mayor during the 80s when we lived in Cleveland but he's a 'rat in disguise, so he doesn't count. Also it's been like this in the city for 30 years, where has the DUmmy been?

But one has to remember something.

Voinovich is a Republican, and was the Republican mayor of Cleveland.

However, the machine that runs Cleveland is a Democrat machine.

A Republican mayor of a large corrupt city does sometimes happen--Lost Angeles and New York City of recent memory--but he is, essentially, just a figurehead.  In fact, sometimes corrupt Democrat machines "allow" the election of a Republican, so as to give the impression something's being done--it's an old public-relations gimmick.

The same happened with recent Republican governors of Massachusetts; it was always obvious who was running the show, and it wasn't William Weld or Mitt Romney.
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2008, 06:12:18 PM »
Quote from: Chris on June 01, 2008, 05:01:11 PM
Didn't Dennis Kucinich used to be mayor of Cleveland? 

What does that say for Ohio when Dennis Kucinich was mayor of Cleveland and Jerry Springer was mayor of Cincinnati?
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2008, 06:21:32 PM »
Quote from: FlaGator on June 01, 2008, 06:12:18 PM
Quote from: Chris on June 01, 2008, 05:01:11 PM
Didn't Dennis Kucinich used to be mayor of Cleveland? 

What does that say for Ohio when Dennis Kucinich was mayor of Cleveland and Jerry Springer was mayor of Cincinnati?

Pretty sad that the party that wins Ohio in the last ten or so Presidential elections has gone on to win the White House . . .
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2008, 06:35:13 PM »
My cousin just moved there and LOVES it.  Of course she also lived in St. Louis and loved it there too.  You couldn't pay me enough to live there.  It has turned into the cesspool of Ohio.
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2008, 06:37:21 PM »
Hmm -- lets look at some long-term democratic stronghold paradises

New Orleans
Detroit
Cleveland

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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2008, 08:00:16 PM »
Quote from: mamacags on June 01, 2008, 06:35:13 PM
My cousin just moved there and LOVES it.  Of course she also lived in St. Louis and loved it there too.  You couldn't pay me enough to live there.  It has turned into the cesspool of Ohio.

The thing is...the DUmmies could be living in paradise and would still find something to complain about. If there is nothing to complain about, they would just make something up.
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2008, 08:26:00 PM »
That may be the problem.  My cousin is a conservative Christian Republican.
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2008, 10:03:21 PM »
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Mojambo  (1000+ posts)       Sun Jun-01-08 05:39 PM
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Police can't respond? I guess we'll just have to hire some private contractors...
 How long before the first stateside "Iraqi style" bloodbath happens here?

I honestly think that if private contractors start patrolling US city streets, a second revolution won't be far off.

First they came for my lawn chair,
And I said nothing because it was rusty anyway...
 :whatever:

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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2008, 09:16:50 AM »
Sad story. A young Marine survived war to be killed for just a few dollars.

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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2008, 09:33:38 AM »
Quote from: FlaGator on June 01, 2008, 06:12:18 PM
Quote from: Chris on June 01, 2008, 05:01:11 PM
Didn't Dennis Kucinich used to be mayor of Cleveland? 

What does that say for Ohio when Dennis Kucinich was mayor of Cleveland and Jerry Springer was mayor of Cincinnati?

I'll put cincy in context--it borders Kentucky.  :-)
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2008, 12:32:43 PM »
Quote from: jtyangel on June 02, 2008, 09:33:38 AM
Quote from: FlaGator on June 01, 2008, 06:12:18 PM
Quote from: Chris on June 01, 2008, 05:01:11 PM
Didn't Dennis Kucinich used to be mayor of Cleveland? 

What does that say for Ohio when Dennis Kucinich was mayor of Cleveland and Jerry Springer was mayor of Cincinnati?

I'll put cincy in context--it borders Kentucky.  :-)

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WTH is wrong with KY? They provide us Cincinnatians with pretty women and cheap cigarettes. And FWIW, I got your "context" right here buddy...

http://www.worldfromtheweb.com/Parks/Cincinnati/P4070668.html

http://www.blueash.com/images/Cincinnati/GreatAmericanBallPark.jpg
http://www.blueash.com/images/Cincinnati/CincinnatiFountainSquare.jpg
http://www.blueash.com/images/Cincinnati/CincinnatiMusicHall.jpg
(Cincinnati's historic Music Hall in downtown Cincinnati)
http://www.blueash.com/images/Cincinnati/CincinnatiSkyline.jpg
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/fb_AAHK181_8x10~Paul-Brown-Stadium-Posters.jpg
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007_images/nfl/FVI/bengals.stadium.jpg

http://archrecord.construction.com/projects/portfolio/archives/0610cincinnati.asp
http://5chw4r7z.blogspot.com/2007_12_01_archive.html
http://www.pbase.com/cincyimages/xavier_university

http://images.google.com/images?q=cincinnati%20museum%20center&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
http://www.cincymuseum.org/explore_our_sites/childrens_museum/
http://www.cincymuseum.org/explore_our_sites/omnimax/default.asp
http://www.cincymuseum.org/explore_our_sites/cincinnati_history/default.asp

http://ecincinnati.com/entertainment/nightlife/
http://www.livenation.com/venue/getVenue/venueId/1280
http://www.cincinnatiusa.com/

 :-) :-)
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2008, 12:34:35 PM »
I absolutely love Kentucky and plan to live there some day.  I already lived in Ohio and would move back to that particular area in Ohio in a second.
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2008, 12:39:20 PM »
Quote from: ReardenSteel on June 02, 2008, 12:32:43 PM
Quote from: jtyangel on June 02, 2008, 09:33:38 AM
Quote from: FlaGator on June 01, 2008, 06:12:18 PM
Quote from: Chris on June 01, 2008, 05:01:11 PM
Didn't Dennis Kucinich used to be mayor of Cleveland? 

What does that say for Ohio when Dennis Kucinich was mayor of Cleveland and Jerry Springer was mayor of Cincinnati?

I'll put cincy in context--it borders Kentucky.  :-)

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WTH is wrong with KY? They provide us Cincinnatians with pretty women and cheap cigarettes. And FWIW, I got your "context" right here buddy...

http://www.worldfromtheweb.com/Parks/Cincinnati/P4070668.html

http://www.blueash.com/images/Cincinnati/GreatAmericanBallPark.jpg
http://www.blueash.com/images/Cincinnati/CincinnatiFountainSquare.jpg
http://www.blueash.com/images/Cincinnati/CincinnatiMusicHall.jpg
(Cincinnati's historic Music Hall in downtown Cincinnati)
http://www.blueash.com/images/Cincinnati/CincinnatiSkyline.jpg
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/fb_AAHK181_8x10~Paul-Brown-Stadium-Posters.jpg
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007_images/nfl/FVI/bengals.stadium.jpg

http://archrecord.construction.com/projects/portfolio/archives/0610cincinnati.asp
http://5chw4r7z.blogspot.com/2007_12_01_archive.html
http://www.pbase.com/cincyimages/xavier_university

http://images.google.com/images?q=cincinnati%20museum%20center&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
http://www.cincymuseum.org/explore_our_sites/childrens_museum/
http://www.cincymuseum.org/explore_our_sites/omnimax/default.asp
http://www.cincymuseum.org/explore_our_sites/cincinnati_history/default.asp

http://ecincinnati.com/entertainment/nightlife/
http://www.livenation.com/venue/getVenue/venueId/1280
http://www.cincinnatiusa.com/

 :-) :-)


I'm not a 'buddy'. I'm a girl. And Kentucky, while beautiful, is still full of some of the more regular types on the Springer show. I think the 5 state area here supplies most of his guests.  :lmao:

I'm sorry, I've lived in a few places...the midwest would NOT be my first pick. It has its moments, but they aren't consistent enough. It's like putting your life on hold for 6 months out of the year with the weather and the people tend to be either the extreme of too reserved or the type of backwoods that provide waaaayyy TMI. 
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2008, 12:41:39 PM »
Quote from: mamacags on June 02, 2008, 12:34:35 PM
I absolutely love Kentucky and plan to live there some day.  I already lived in Ohio and would move back to that particular area in Ohio in a second.

To each his own. I know that kind of love for an area. Despite all the lame comments made about Miami and the surrounding areas I endure as well, I absolutely LOVE it and wish sometimes I never moved away from it. Looking back, it was an absolute paradise to grow up in, despite its problems at times.

BTW, that's what my new avie and countdown is about. My dad lives about an hour or so north of Miami and the kids and I will be staying down there for nearly 3 weeks. I SO TOTALLY can't wait! :-)
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2008, 02:22:59 PM »
Quote from: ReardenSteel on June 01, 2008, 10:03:21 PM

First they came for my lawn chair,
And I said nothing because it was rusty anyway...
 :whatever:


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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2008, 02:27:58 PM »
Quote from: jtyangel on June 02, 2008, 12:39:20 PM
Kentucky, while beautiful, is still full of some of the more regular types on the Springer show. I think the 5 state area here supplies most of his guests.  :lmao:

FIVE states, you say?  My experience with "other" people has led me to believe the triad of stupidity is

Pennsylvania
Ohio
West Virginia

but I suppose my horizons could stand some broadening...
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2008, 05:13:31 PM »
Hey I have lived in all 3 of those states. :bawl:

JTYANGEL I should have mentioned that I would rather live in Detroit than some areas of Kentucky.  Like up near Cincinatti, there are some really icky places there.  Miami is beautiful but too dang hot!  I would melt on day one there even in winter.
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2008, 06:41:21 PM »
Quote from: FlaGator on June 01, 2008, 06:12:18 PM
Quote from: Chris on June 01, 2008, 05:01:11 PM
Didn't Dennis Kucinich used to be mayor of Cleveland? 

What does that say for Ohio when Dennis Kucinich was mayor of Cleveland and Jerry Springer was mayor of Cincinnati?

Ummm, stay out?   :-)
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2008, 06:44:51 PM »
Quote from: lastparker on June 02, 2008, 02:27:58 PM
Quote from: jtyangel on June 02, 2008, 12:39:20 PM
Kentucky, while beautiful, is still full of some of the more regular types on the Springer show. I think the 5 state area here supplies most of his guests.  :lmao:

FIVE states, you say?  My experience with "other" people has led me to believe the triad of stupidity is

Pennsylvania
Ohio
West Virginia

but I suppose my horizons could stand some broadening...

Probably wouldn't hurt......
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Re: Things are getting worse in Cleveland.....
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2008, 09:26:32 PM »
Quote from: lastparker on June 02, 2008, 02:27:58 PM
Quote from: jtyangel on June 02, 2008, 12:39:20 PM
Kentucky, while beautiful, is still full of some of the more regular types on the Springer show. I think the 5 state area here supplies most of his guests.  :lmao:

FIVE states, you say?  My experience with "other" people has led me to believe the triad of stupidity is

Pennsylvania
Ohio
West Virginia

but I suppose my horizons could stand some broadening...

Don't discount Indiana and Kentucky(those are the two states you missed). I'm tempted to say Michigan too since there's plenty of Springer guests in Detroit city council alone to make it worthy of mention. :-)
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