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Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« on: November 15, 2010, 10:22:31 AM »
no wonder the dems wouldn't schedule this spectacle before the elections.  we would have won 100 seats. 

and maxine waters' trial is going to be 100 times better than charlie's.

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Rangel walks out of ethics trial

Complaining bitterly that he was denied the right to have an attorney present, an emotional Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) walked out of his highly publicized public ethics trial Monday morning, an unexpected twist in the ethics inquiry has tarnished Rangel’s four-decade congressional career.

The ethics panel, after an unexpected 40-minute private session, quickly rejected Rangel’s request to delay the trial.

"The committee has decided not to continue this matter," said Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.), who is overseeing the trial. "We recognize that Mr. Rangel does not intend to participate. It is his right not to participate."

Lofgren noted that Rangel "asked for formal advice from the committee [on covering his legal bills] in Sept. 2008, in March of 2009, in October of 2010 and again in November of 2010, and received informal advice on that in August."

Lofgren added: "Each time, the committee responded and provided Mr. Rangel with formal guidance on how he could pay his legal fees in this matter."

She also noted that Rangel could have paid legal bills out of his own pocket.

With Rangel out of the room, the trial went ahead as planned.

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2010, 10:26:01 AM »
Charlie is guilty and is trying to stall.

A lot of the democrats better be careful because he seems like he's lost his mental balance and might decide to roll on the rest of them.
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2010, 10:38:34 AM »
Charlie, just go ahead and man up, take the fall and the hit, leave Congress and go into retirement.

You'll make more money on the talk circuit than you will in Congress, even with the kickbacks and money you stole.

You're a doddering old fool who simply needs to fade away.
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2010, 10:42:57 AM »
After two years of stalling, suddenly the trial has to go through ahead of important things like a budget or a tax rate compromise...Charlie doesn't get it that his pals are trying to help him out and give him a slap on the wrist before a hearing not under Democrat control enters the picture.  Crooked bastard should've retired when he had the chance.
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2010, 10:47:55 AM »
After two years of stalling, suddenly the trial has to go through ahead of important things like a budget or a tax rate compromise...Charlie doesn't get it that his pals are trying to help him out and give him a slap on the wrist before a hearing not under Democrat control enters the picture.  Crooked bastard should've retired when he had the chance.

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2010, 10:48:53 AM »
After two years of stalling, suddenly the trial has to go through ahead of important things like a budget or a tax rate compromise...Charlie doesn't get it that his pals are trying to help him out and give him a slap on the wrist before a hearing not under Democrat control enters the picture.  Crooked bastard should've retired when he had the chance.

I was also wondering why he wasn't more willing to cooperate for the same reason;  it will be much worse in january.

but then the MSM will play it as the mean republicans beating up on a minority.

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2010, 10:48:56 AM »
Charlie, just go ahead and man up, take the fall and the hit, leave Congress and go into retirement.

You'll make more money on the talk circuit than you will in Congress, even with the kickbacks and money you stole.

You're a doddering old fool who simply needs to fade away.

Nancy Pelosi just had the worst election results for a political party in 70 years, yet somehow she is managing to stay on as minority leader instead of doing the honorable thing and going home, like most Speakers do when they lose control of the House to the opposition political party.  Nevermind in an election where you were slaughtered after winning big 2 years before.

4 years of party gains wiped out in one night and she thinks she should stick around.

The thing that amazes me is democrats that are so politically inept that think this is a good idea.
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2010, 10:50:28 AM »
I was also wondering why he wasn't more willing to cooperate for the same reason;  it will be much worse in january.

but then the MSM will play it as the mean republicans beating up on a minority.

Remember Blago.  There is a disease right now in the democratic party where you have the audacity to not even fess up and resign when you get caught red handed.

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2010, 11:48:32 AM »
Nancy Pelosi just had the worst election results for a political party in 70 years, yet somehow she is managing to stay on as minority leader instead of doing the honorable thing and going home, like most Speakers do when they lose control of the House to the opposition political party.  Nevermind in an election where you were slaughtered after winning big 2 years before.

4 years of party gains wiped out in one night and she thinks she should stick around.

The thing that amazes me is democrats that are so politically inept that think this is a good idea.

Democrats think that failure is actually success.  And thus should be rewarded.
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2010, 11:49:29 AM »
Nancy Pelosi just had the worst election results for a political party in 70 years, yet somehow she is managing to stay on as minority leader instead of doing the honorable thing and going home, like most Speakers do when they lose control of the House to the opposition political party.  Nevermind in an election where you were slaughtered after winning big 2 years before.

4 years of party gains wiped out in one night and she thinks she should stick around.

The thing that amazes me is democrats that are so politically inept that think this is a good idea.

ah, but I am sure that she believes that she was the reason that the dems gained control of the house in the first place.  and what Queen Botox giveth, Queen Botox taketh away.


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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2010, 11:51:00 AM »
Democrats think that failure is actually success.  And thus should be rewarded.

success is unfair.  success creates inequality.  success discriminates.  success means there will be losers (and winners, but that's beside the point). 

success must be outlawed.

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2010, 11:52:53 AM »
The funny thing was when I watched Charlie say he didn't personally benefit from not paying taxes or using a rent controlled apartment as a campaign office.  He did this with a straight face.  I have to admit, that takes some serious skill.
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2010, 12:00:55 PM »
according to counsel for the ethics committee, rangel was "sloppy", not "corrupt".   slap on the wrist forthcoming.

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'No evidence of corruption' by Rangel

It has been a tough morning for Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.), who walked out of his ethics trial earlier when he wasn't allowed to more time to get a lawyer.

Yet Rangel did have a good moment, of sorts, when the top ethics committee lawyer said he wasn't corrupt. Sloppy, but not corrupt.

"I see no evidence of corruption," said Blake Chisam, the top ethics committee lawyer, about Rangel. Chisam's statement was in response to questioning by Rep. G.K. Butterfield (D-N.C.). Butterfield is serving on the eight-member panel hearing the Rangel case.

"It's hard to answer the question of personal financial benefit," Chisam added. " I think the short answer is probably no. Do I believe that based on the record that Congressman Rangel took steps to benefit himself based on his position in Congress? No. I believe that the congressman, quite frankly, was overzealous in many of the things he did. And sloppy in his personal finances."

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2010, 12:05:24 PM »
These damn machine districts in both parties enable the worse kind of criminals.

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2010, 12:14:20 PM »
These damn machine districts in both parties enable the worse kind of criminals.



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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2010, 12:18:11 PM »

:whatever:



Yes the GOP machine districts have a history of ethical and moral behavior  O-)
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2010, 12:35:24 PM »
Yes the GOP machine districts have a history of ethical and moral behavior  O-)

Machines like:

Chicago
Washington DC
St. Louis
Los Angeles
San Francisco
Seattle
Portland
New Orleans
Philadelphia
Cleveland
Atlanta
Boston
Newark
Minneapolis/St. Paul
Milwaukee
Denver/Boulder

......just to hit the high spots.......

Or perhaps you refer to the "machines" in spots like:

Rapid City, SD
Colorado Springs
Dodge City, KS
Branson, MO
Valdosta, GA
Dennison, TX

And a few other bastions of political corruption........

Get real Jake......if "machine politics" is your talking point, your party has a corner on the market........or you're just talking out of your ass.


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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2010, 12:37:50 PM »
These damn machine districts in both parties enable the worse kind of criminals.




If Rangel or Waters were republicans, they'd have already been forced to resign by their own party.  The MSM would have kept the pressure on until they did.

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2010, 12:39:21 PM »

If Rangel or Waters were republicans, they'd have already been forced to resign by their own party.  The MSM would have kept the pressure on until they did.

Depends on who their donors/sponsors are.
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2010, 12:49:07 PM »
Depends on who their donors/sponsors are.

Horseshit.......over the past two decades, a significant number of Republican politicians have resigned/failed to run again, simply based on the unfounded hint of impropriety (no ethics trial, hearings, or civil/criminal action).

If the politician is a Democrat, especially a black one, it is considered a resume' enhancement......William Jefferson comes to mind (caught red-handed with a hundred grand in his freezer)........and he had the audacity to claim Constitutional protection for his office files, stayed in congress until his voters turned him out.

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2010, 12:58:06 PM »
Depends on who their donors/sponsors are.


Oh God here we go again.  More bullshit from Crazyjake.
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2010, 01:01:37 PM »
And so goes the circus with this guy scumbag. He's still allowed to be in Congress?! W.T.F?!?! :argh:

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2010, 01:04:18 PM »

Oh God here we go again.  More bullshit from Crazyjake.

The money Karl Rove raised came from somewhere and someone.

In any regards, I admire the GOP for being a much higher class of criminals than the democrats.  Democrats fight over small piles of shit money.  Republicans dream big.

I hold both with equal disdain.   I think the GOP steals more, but they don't have the audacity to run on populist rhetoric.
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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2010, 01:11:56 PM »
The money Karl Rove raised came from somewhere and someone.

In any regards, I admire the GOP for being a much higher class of criminals than the democrats.  Democrats fight over small piles of shit money.  Republicans dream big.

I hold both with equal disdain.   I think the GOP steals more, but they don't have the audacity to run on populist rhetoric.

the donor attack that the obamites spewed out during the midterms was a hypocritical pile of mccarthyesque crap, and they knew it.  this administration has turned the office of the presidency into an arm of the obama reelection campaign.

using the bully pulpit to repeat the same damned lie over and over, day after day, just because they know that their willing accomplices in the MSM will pick it up and run with it is morally repugnant, utterly irresponsible, and ultimately dishonest.

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Re: Rangel walks out of ethics trial
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2010, 01:14:09 PM »
The money Karl Rove raised came from somewhere and someone.

Carl Rove has never held an elected public office.........and his job was raising funds and awareness for his party........has there EVER been any credible claim that he has acted in a corrupt manner (except in the deranged minds of liberals)?

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  In any regards, I admire the GOP for being a much higher class of criminals than the democrats.  Democrats fight over small piles of shit money.  Republicans dream big.

Perhaps you will enlighten us with your citation of the last time a Republican politician was convicted of large-scale corruption......

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I hold both with equal disdain.   I think the GOP steals more, but they don't have the audacity to run on populist rhetoric.

You would.......and what you "think" is irrelevant, what you can prove isn't, which boils down to the fact that the only person attempting to spout "populist rhetoric" here is yourself......

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