Washington’s Pointless War on Behalf of a Fake Nation

[sunsettommy]

Anti War

Washington’s Pointless War on Behalf of a Fake Nation
by David Stockman Posted onSeptember 28, 2022

Excerpt:

The messages are coming in loud and clear today – from the crashing pound, to repudiation of establishment governments in Italy, Sweden and more to come, to Hungarian Prime Minister Orban’s call to end the Sanctions War and do so pronto.

So let’s be clear: Washington’s dunderheaded intervention in the intramural spat between Russia and Ukraine and the accompanying global Sanctions War is the surely the stupidest, most destructive project to arise from the banks of the Potomac in modern times. And the architects of this perfidious folly – Biden, Blinkin, Sullivan, Nuland, et. al. – cannot be condemned harshly enough.

After all, this madness is being pursued in the name of abstract policy norms – the rule of law and sanctity of borders – that make Washington a laughing stock. More than any other nation on planet earth (and by a long-shot), it has serially and blatantly violated these standards scores of times in recent decades.

https://original.antiwar.com/David_Stockman/2022/09/27/washingtons-pointless-war-on-behalf-of-a-fake-nation/

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America was once a beacon of freedom to the world now it is just another hypocritical nation the world sees it is no wonder why so many nations dislike America with their ugly paternalistic behavior.

[DefiantSix]

Apparently, you - or David Stockman, anyway - don't have a friggin' clue what the Ukrainian NATION endured after they were conquered by Lenin, Stalin and the rest of Soviet Russia, or why they might object to putting their neck under that boot again.

[sunsettommy]

Apparently, you - or David Stockman, anyway - don't have a friggin' clue what the Ukrainian NATION endured after they were conquered by Lenin, Stalin and the rest of Soviet Russia, or why they might object to putting their neck under that boot again.

I take it then that you have no counterpoint to offer against the article maybe because your prejudice prevented you from doing it.

You really need to try learning history of the region because it wasn't Ukraine for centuries BEFORE the awful USSR came along here is a snippet from Wikipedia:

During the Middle Ages, the area was a key centre of East Slavic culture under the state of Kievan Rus', which emerged in the 9th century and was ultimately destroyed by the Mongol invasions of the 13th century. After the Kingdom of Galicia–Volhynia emerged, the area was contested, divided, and ruled by a variety of external powers for the next 600 years; including the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Austrian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and the Tsardom of Russia. The Cossack Hetmanate emerged in central Ukraine in the 17th century, but was partitioned between Russia and Poland, and ultimately absorbed by the Russian Empire. After the Russian Revolution, a Ukrainian national movement re-emerged, and formed the Ukrainian People's Republic in 1917. This short-lived state was forcibly reconstituted by the Bolsheviks into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which became a founding member of the Soviet Union in 1922. In the 1930s, millions of Ukrainians were killed by the Holodomor, a Stalin-era man-made famine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine


It makes no sense for America to be so heavily involved in promoting war in the region.

[SVPete]

"Fake Nation"? Like the way Britain viewed the US in the run-up to the War of 1812?

Why would any conservative favor Putin's ambitions and wars to restore the Soviet empire? And who would be next, but for Ukraine's tenacious fight? Moldova? One of the Balkan nations? Stalin tried to conquer Finland, which once was part of Czarist Russia ... maybe Putin would like to hack off part or all of Finland?

[Eupher]

I take it then that you have no counterpoint to offer against the article maybe because your prejudice prevented you from doing it.

You really need to try learning history of the region because it wasn't Ukraine for centuries BEFORE the awful USSR came along here is a snippet from Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine

It makes no sense for America to be so heavily involved in promoting war in the region.

D6 does a great job in rebutting this kind of asinine statement from tommy and will no doubt do so.

tommy won't see my post because, allegedly, he's "blocked" me. (That's when we all know how worthless tommy's arguments are.) 

That said, WTF difference does it make who ran Ukraine over the centuries? What's that got to do with today, Putin's aggression, and Ukraine's response to same? This is why tommy gets sidetracked so easily. He's out chasing rabbits.

I do not advocate getting involved in a war in Ukraine or anywhere else. But the U.S.'s current policy appears to be arming the Ukrainians with intel, weapons systems, training, and other resources to rub Putin's nose in his own dirt. It's called a "war by proxy" generally and it happens all the time.

Ukraine's results in using these resources appears to be good. They're kicking Russian ass and they're not bothering with taking names. 

[sunsettommy]

"Fake Nation"? Like the way Britain viewed the US in the run-up to the War of 1812?

Why would any conservative favor Putin's ambitions and wars to restore the Soviet empire? And who would be next, but for Ukraine's tenacious fight? Moldova? One of the Balkan nations? Stalin tried to conquer Finland, which once was part of Czarist Russia ... maybe Putin would like to hack off part or all of Finland?

I don't like the whole mess either, but Russia is being cornered by NATO and Washington D.C. by policy and still stuck with the cold war mindset, which is a factor on why Putin attacked, then Biden and his warmongering group went out of their way to prevent a negotiation settlement early on to prolog the war which is slowly going out of control as USA is in a covert war with Russia.

I don't think Putin is looking to "conquer" Finland at all.

America should be focusing on stopping the war and get the two countries back to the negotiation table to end it.